Attaturk!

…again…

Thank you Attaturk.

I’d like to hear Mike Barnicle’s take on this plagiarism stuff. I’ll go turn on MSRNC. Be right back…

All this plagiarism b*llsh*t is simply sucking up dead air…

attaturk, I made this point yesterday and I want everyone to take notice;

yesterday on a long drive I heard on news radio that in the state of new york, a state that never votes republican, mccain is only 7 points behind hillary or obabma

now this is frightening and awakening

here we are, living behind the most dangerous, miserable, damaging and hated president in history, and a person who claims he is going to give yet another term of that same presidency is running only 7 points behind any democrat runnign

errr

what about the states that are not this blue?

we are in tons of trouble with either obama or hillary running, and I think it was irresponsible for thesse to be our candidates

now we all blame the media for ignoring edwards, but so the frig what

that was the hand we were dealt and we played the hand right into their pot

we live in a bubble here at the lake, we know things most people have no clue, they believe the corporate spin, they believe mccain will go against republican policy and they re most a good percentage of democrats are either bigots,m masogenists or both

we are in tons of trouble and if there is another republican elected next cycle our republic will be lost forever

And how much anyone wanna bet Obama carries Wisconsin today? He carried MN hands down. On this one, as MN went, so goes WS…as more often than not happens between these two neighboring states…separated by the St-Croix River…

Well, the reporters have to make up something to talk about.

I think it was irresponsible for thesse to be our candidates

Say what?

Isn’t it WI not WS?

Good morning.

Yeah, the plagiarism thing seems ridiculous to me. Political speech isn’t scholarship or journalism, where there are professional sanctions for using someone else’s language. I think I could probably find a thousand references to the fact that words are important. I’m leaning toward Obama in the Texas primary, and the charges make me lean much farther that way.

that’s what I am saying, these are the easiest to beat among all democrats that were running and I’ll say it again

obama and hillary give the republicans their wet dream in a presidential race

You’re right…I don’t know what I was thinking…My girlfriend went to U of WI–Madison, and I went to visit her there many times. How quickly we forget…*g*

I’m not Mike Barnicle but you can get mine. A paradigm shift of difference in his swapping speech items with Kilpatrick and Obama lifting from a book or article without acknowledgement.

Let me help you with plageurism. Clinton steals from her husband’s speeches without acknowledgedment all the time. Her Isaiah reference (a frequent reference) at the King Funeral where she looked like the one being buried after her husband spoke–straight from Bill Clinton’s speech writers.

Big example of HRC’s plaguerisum–she steals slogans and words directly from Obama nearly every week.

Biden had a minor issue. No one gives a damn about it now. Obama doesn’t have an issue with plaguerism and if you’re looking to attack him, help Ickes try to steal Michigan and Florida–you’ll fail but it’ll be fun for you.

Or you can call Super Delegates and beg.

There are 103 Super Delegates up for grabs today. Obama’s going to take most of them.

74 Wisconsin
29 Hawaii

Texas is even in most polls today.

HRC needs about 60% of every state including today’s two to win with pledged delegates. No can do.

Hi Biodun Aren’t you too important here to be stooping to the grabbing of zeds like the rest of us pions? *g* Morning!

It’s not lost on me that Hillary stole Obama’s “change theme” right after one her defeats. See?

Biodun may be important but he always has something interesting to say and one helluva travel background.

I’ve been seeing the exact opposite. In the last week, Obama has been gaining into double-digit leads over McCan’t in several states, including a recent 15% lead in MN. Hillary is losing ground to CrazyTrain in most of those same states. The only one I’ve seen so far where Obama is losing to McCandyCain is FL, where St. John has campaigned a ton and Obama not at all. These are SurveryUSA (the most accurate so far) and Rasmussen, a somewhat accurate polling company.

Just like with Clinton, when Obama has time to go head-to-head with the name recognition candidates, he gains considerably. Coupled with the record-shattering Dem voter turnout, I’d say it’s looking pretty good for Dems in general!
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....lltracker/

Peons

I thought it was WIZ?

Now I am all confused.

P.S. How close will da Rev. Hucklebee get to George W. McCain?

-G

-G

Hmm not so much. First the Republican wet dream (whatever they can call up) probably is about guns, money, and inappropriate sexual relations. :-< That said, I think either will do fine, though, alas, I happen to prefer Bama.</p>

What’s funny Kay is if any of us were running for anything, off the top of our head before we called in any campaign experts to advise us, we’d all be thinking of a change theme.

Obama gave it the significance of a social movement though–and I’m hardly the first to say this, something like JFK did when he was running.

I love Biodun too. (and I was joking with him). :-)

*g* You think they can craft that inappropriate sex relations theme into a campaign item?

Here’s the New Yorker article on McCain from this week:

On the Bus
Can John McCain reinvent Republicanism?
by Ryan Lizza

Hi Raven, mea culpe! (I think there will be a hard undertow at the lake this AM for me; I need to get back to editing!).

I know.

So it was irresponsible for THEM to be our candidates?

If a question is planted and then the questioner asks the planted question is that plagiarism?

Typos by two of our greatest minds on the Lake, it’s a dark day indeed! :)

Now there are reports that Camp Clinton intend to target Obama’s pledged delegates.

The bring it all down strategy is going to leave Bill C. about as popular as Chimpy.

Not that I trust Roger Simon’s word.

-G

Well it would be interesting to put out there the 2 photos of his marriage 1 and his marriage 2 (his second many moons later was with a 20 some year old (his current wife). By the way last night at dinner, my kid says of this wife, “does she know how to talk, I have never heard her say anything.” Hmmmm.

One tangible thing Huck is doing to McCain although I can’t gauge the extent–he’s making that campaign spend money to achieve a respectable viable image for the general–not because he needs to beat Huckabee–he’s done that–but because every time Huckabee beats him it reflects negatively on him for the general.

At least that’s the conventional wisdom on how the Huckster is hurting McCain by staying in the race. The more money McCain has to spend now, the better for us later.

What kind of plant, annual or perennial?

You gotta be kidding me right? When you hear pundits and attendees after an Obama speech talking about tingling up his leg and crying because of the inspiration of the speech plus now we hear about women fainting this is NOT a revival. It is an important election and these kinds of thngs are fodder for the Republicans to use in the General Election. Remember the Republican Convention in 2004? I can never get over all the flip-flops in the crowd and people chanting. A few more of these is all they will need to show Obama is an empty suit that has not been properly vetted by the media. He’s plenty vetted as far as the netroots, but that will not be enough. Do you realize that FLORIDA had one half MILLION more Democratic voters than all the caucus attendees combined! Did you know that Obama spent 1.3 million dollars in Florida preceding the Florida Primary. Thats not campaigning? And today, Washington State will have a primary (1.5 million voters) that will not matter since they already had a caucus. A secret ballot, 1-person, 1-vote is a lot different than a caucus. Words do matter. Watching the 2 speeches side by side is dramatic and laughable, Republican fodder foe the General for sure.

No but she is a great hummer!

8 years of a functional illiterate residing at 1600 PA and we’re worried again about
plagiarism?

You freakin kidding me?

Oh, ok, I’ll vote for hillary now that you have explained everything.

Hmmm, thanks for crediting it as a typo. Alas, I am in perpetual struggle with base ignorance - it is like the wolf at the gate. Sometime you can ask Biodun how many takes it took me to get Kristol spelled correctly.

I think generally, Cindy, is one of those wives who’d rather be anywhere else than on the campaign trail, but has no choice in contrast to say Michelle Obama who thrives at making speeches and using her strong background as a lawyer.

My loose analogy would be Chelsea Clinton. She loves her mom, and will do anything for her, but Chelsea would rather be anywhere else than in the lime light and that’s why she refuses to talk to the press.

What were they thinking, these smart campaign strategists of the HRC campaign. Since I recognize and once admired the smarts of Harold Ickes and HRC herself, I want to know what they think they gain from the steady stream of patently piteous complaints and excuses by themselves and surogates? The last one being Blue primary wins in red states don’t count. (Just ask the newly elected dem. govs. of those states how little it counts. Yup, over there, the lady goc with the superdelegate badge on, you bloody idiot, bloody idiot from MICHIGAN no less.)

There must be a backdraft strategy here. It has been suggested to me that the significant state quality primary remarks were meant to flatter OH/PA/TX significant state voters. Balderdash.

I may be a white elitist who uses the word Balderdash, but isn’t possible that this kind of s**t only interests political junkies and does not reach the regular voters, who in any case are far more interested in big state pride when it comes to football conferences and bowl games than in elections. While it will certainly be picked up by the small state MSM as a bone to pick with HRC.

So what are these smart people getting us to do. So I can stop doing it.

BTW, traveling away from the Toobz and missed you guys a lot. had to read the dead tree version of the times w/o Marion’s preview. Ruined breakfast.

Glenn,

Clearly Sen. Clinton’s victories are the only ones that count.

-G

*g*, sort of an extended mid throat cackle - on your plant joke.

Mike Barnacle on plagiarism? Are you kidding? He was kicked out of the Boston Globe for plagiarism himself years ago, and then a few years later, Boston Herald hired his sorry ass…

I have a great excuse, I can’t type and it’s worse with this little cocker on my lap!

I am sure you are right about this, still, Chelsea speaks. Ditto I have heard Mrs. Huck speak

You mean MSNBC…*g*

Don’t be runnin around humanizing the enemy! :)

Ohhhhhhh. Good visual, cute. How little and black or yellow?

Also, clearly Glenn, the GOP will have no anti-Clinton fodder in the general election.

Also clearly redstates that Obama has won do not matter because they will be lost in the general election.

Now then why is it that Texas is so important?

-G

Hi there. You wanna get going on some discourse this morning? *g*

I’ve been up since 2 AM CT…

Biodun,

Hence the reference.

I gotta slip you some of my digital punchline awareness software:)

-G

I hate to admit it but I have to google for a lot of words to try to keep from mispelling them. I know what they mean, but I’m not sure where a vowel goes some times or if the vowel is even supposed to be in the word.

And plagiarism and plaguerism (the wrong spelling I used a couple posts ago) confuse me; and now we have all these sland spellings for google hits that makes it more confusing.

I guess I could reach for one of a bunch of dictionaries on the shelves, but I’ve gotten in the habit of “the google” as my president calls it.

20 lbs, Black just like Raven was but smaller!

Did you get my link to you last thread? I think it was EPU’d…

I can only hope this “poll” was not done credibly, it was on corporate run media so who knows?

Morning all :)
Not really related to anything, but still

‘Internet predator’ stereotypes debunked in new study
Internet offenders target teens, not young children — rarely use force, abduction or deception
WASHINGTON— Contrary to stereotype, most Internet sex offenders are not adults who target young children by posing as another youth, luring children to meetings, and then abducting or forcibly raping them, according to researchers who have studied the nature of Internet-initiated sex crimes.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_.....021408.php

did I thank you for the dog advice?

Nope on the discourse! I’m suppose to be doing other things and I just realized I have jury duty in the next 2 weeks (it will take time from the task at hand). What cha doin up so early central time? Out for an early run around the lake?

That one wasn’t scheduled so I didn’t see it coming…*g* Honestly…

Chelsea is a puzzle. Smart enough to work for a hedge fund, not smart enough to say that it would have taken clairvoyance to have voted differntly on the Iraq vote. That makes 23 senators including Lincoln Chafee and most of all OBAMA clairvoyants.

Vote for OBAMA he can change the future since he can see before it happens. Just ask Chelsea Clinton (Stanford BA, 200x).

So since they wrote the words for her, why I ask again are they treating us as if we are idiots.

I knew s/he was black the minute I hit submit. Raven=black, I’m on game this morning. :-)

Ah cocker, time for me to show my cockerlove. How is it/he feeling?

Another thing I must mention. When I saw the interview with Michelle Obama in which she stated , “This is the first time I have ever been proud of my country”. The FIRST TIME? This too will go in the Republican playbook against the Democrat in the General. I keep hearing on CSpan this morning that alot of Republicans are voting for Obama in the Primary (Wisconsin) so it will be he against McCain and they will vote McCain of course.

Chelsea shows up at very carefully selected colleges and speaks and I guess Mrs. Huck does speak some, and come to think about it Cindy never does speak. She also is probably like a lot of people terrified to get up in front of crowds, and the more someone like that thinks about it the worse it gets.

It used to be that way for me until I was forced to do it in school with no choice.

Please let me say, just in case BO and HRC have people watching the DFH sites, if y’all f*ck this up and cost us the general we are going to be torches and pitchforks pissed off. Just sayin. Knock it off.

Oh shucks…

Ah admission of cheating (or at least thinking)! Which is worse, plagarism or hitting the renew button anxiousl at the top of the hour at the lake?

palag-i-at is the French word for plagiarism. I keep in in mind every time I write the word because it sounds the vowels.

Better than google. free access to great dictionaries. including the oxford with all its histories of word usages.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

maybe In didn’t use the right terminology, but these are the candidates the republicans wanted, we allowed them to pick for us through their media

I think everyone knows edwards was the only among these three that polled every time beating any republican

so we are now left with the hand media wants us to play and that is my point

I fear we over deconstruct! Did you read what McWar has said about his people recently? (I think it was in the NYT yesterday- he thinks he is funny, but really stupid). As the top of the post says - it is all about fear. If we/they stop talking (as in Mrs McWar) because what we say will be held against us, where are we? And, compare Michelle’s comments with all the crap Bill has said of late.

Joe Scarborough hopped on it this morning on his show and Mika Brezinski defended her.

Those kinds of things that have been coming from the Clinton campaign are as the trite observations say, desperate grabbing at scraps.

I mean if Michelle Obama’s comment and the supposed stealing of phrases from the Massachusetts governor is all they have as types of criticism…

*g* Whatever happened to the candidates drilling the issues?

Glad to have you back. Don’t know what I’d do if I were toobz-less…

Yes. Stretch the word out.

Always sound advice on consecutive vowels.

*g*

Well, many here know that raven was our 14 year old who battled cancer for 2 1/2 years and died last April. We have a wonderful knucklehead husky/saymoyed mix named bohdi and we thought he could use a pal. We called our vet looking for advice about potential cockers and they jumped it and said they had this little female that had cherry eye, bladder stones and very bad allergies. We agreed to go see her and, of course, now she is our Lil Bit!

If only I had taken any langauge but 4 years of Latin in school. I really regreted it when I went to Europe and found out how much it would have helped me to speak French. It took me a long time just to find things in a grocery in Paris because of the language even though I could see them.

I don’t think Edwards has a tinkers chance in hell to beat any republicans.

Wet dreams Repub. style. A Bush judicial bankruptcy judge and one of his 84 frozen nominees, was arrested for a DUI while wearing black dress stiletto heels, fishnet stocking and carrying a purse. Mr. Nominee had trouble finding his license in his purse, that’s how drunk he was or how much the heels hurt.
Mug shot shows him in blue eye shadow.
Sad ill man. also stupid.
He has resigned his post. funny not picked up outside of MA even by the Muck.

With this juicy tidbit I return to the business of doing the day’s business. missed you guys!

Got up to freelance for BBC World Service–so got up before their own day across the pond is over. I usually run–along the Mississippi later in the afternoon. My running schedule ends the working day for me, of sorts, at the workstation, although I may dip in again at night (my own night.). This is what happens when you deal with many time-zones…*g*

the former of course…or did you have to ask?…*g*

A probably out of print book titled the road to Xanadu compares the books Coleridge was reading with the poems he wrote at the time. For example in the Ancient Mariner he wrote “The waters like a witches oil burnt green and blue and white”. And while he was actually writing the poem his diary shows he was rereading MacBeth which happens to include a scene of three witches around an oil cauldron.

By itself,a coincidence. But there were hundreds of such coincidences.
The author; Livingstone Lowes , didn’t consider this plagiarism. Just a normal process under which things in your mind influence the words you choose to use.

Tag: useless information.

I understand your concerns, but don’t agree with your conclusion. White males of all sorts had every opportunity to win the Dem. nomination, but the voters decided otherwise.

By all accounts Sens. Clinton & Obama have energized the base, independents, and younger voters like no one else could have (save maybe Gore, my first choice, who decided to sit this one out.) My hope is that the electorate is changing, putting more emphasis on the candidates message vs. their sex or race.

You’ve forgotten that I got high horsey one am and asked why cocker puppies should distract us from saving the constitution. You were properly unhappy–I forgot that pups and pooties are all genetically DFH, except Barney of course. This last post was another act of contrition.

and definitely my last post of the am. till tonight then.

I hold no grudges, life is too short.

I agree, and he was my second choice.

Tag useful information. A book by a great neuroscientist for the rest of us on why forgetting aint alzheimers.

Schachter, 1999: The seven sins of memory.

Out for an early run around the lake?

Actually in a manner of speaking, yes, around FireDogLake that is…check out earlier threads around 2:30 AM CT…

You asked for this one, Richmond…now this an opening for that discourse, as Derrida would say: entamer un discours…to cut into discourse…

I, on the other hand, may be getting what has been called “Irish Alzheimers”, where I forget everything except grudges.

Glenn, Can you please explain where and how Sen. Obama spent all this money in Florida? My major concern at this point is that Sen. Clinton is more concerned about winning the primary and disenfranchising the democratic party while she’s at it.

Love it, some of my folks were Figgs of County Clare.

Sen. Clinton was ready for everything on day one except a tough primary challenge.

-G

Pete, you boldy stated “Big example of HRC’s plaguerisum–she steals slogans and words directly from Obama nearly every week.” However, as i read further you overlooked providing details and facts … could you provide them for the thread?

Good morning pups.

I’m still trying to make the case for a do-over in Florida if we don’t have a clear nominee by July. Click my name for the argument.

Raven, I’m partial to hounds. We have two rescues that we think are a Catahoula and a Walker. They are very eager to please and provide great company, although they are primarily outdoor critters.

Raven,

Just saw the issue with your cocker chewing her feet. My very talented animal chiropractor feels that is often caused by a pinched nerve that can be helped by a good animal chiropractor. Some are better than others she is terrific - does people and animals and is a genius. There is a web site listing those certified. I would give that a try.

It has been to long since we have had a candidate with so much charisma that can unite people. To compare Obama’s supporters to a cult insults the best of us. We are so much brighter than that.

Again with Fillmore smears. Attaturk, can’t you write a positive candidate diary?

this is all what my ex-husband labeled..”the trivia of life”

I never knew that technically a pledged delegate can vote for whomever they want like a Super Delegate (although they rarely do until this morning) from Chuck Todd.

I wonder, if Hillary loses how she will have any respect again. And Bill Clinton, he looks like a fool.

David Corn, on Washington Journal, is saying very simply that Obasma, with his lack of baggage and inspirational ability, may be able to mobilize more people than Hillary can to reverse the horrors of the Bush Adminstration. I still consider myself a supporter of both Clintons, but believe that Corn may be right. Obama may be better able to get the jobs done that need to be done.

Hmmm - Pakistan, Cuba. Good for you. Having to deal with European time zones makes it kind a hard on the system.

I have a river run too- it’s nice. Sometimes I see blue herons. And, yesterday I saw a white goose (you know Hans Christian Anderson type, not the canadian strip necked ones which are all over the place here). White geese have unbelievably long necks espec as seen in flight.

I “KNOW NOTHING” else

She has respect now, just saying. And, with the noose of the war off her neck, she will be able to be even more effective. (I am not saying she will lose, but as with the two Edwards, Gore, Kerry and many others, loss is not the end of the world. Indeed it can be a source of new power).

By the way, in the papers today is the tragedy of the housing crisis (foreclosures) not just on owners but also on pets who are either abandoned or put in now over-flowing rescue places and most likely will have to be put down. (Can you imagine the heart break on both sides). I want law suits against those who were involved in this mess - top down!

Perris is referencing the national poll that was highlighted here (and no where else) that showed Edwards as the ONLY Dem that beat every Repub candidate.

McCain, coincidentally was slightly higher than all the Dems.. …but Edwards.

When the MSM reported the poll they pretended Edwards was not in the poll. Just neglected to mention his results.

Makes a pretty good argument for perris’ point, if you ask me.

Luckily, you didn’t. :)

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

Ok, so what does it matter?

Pete, you boldy stated “Big example of HRC’s plaguerisum–she steals slogans and words directly from Obama nearly every week.” However, as i read further you overlooked providing details and facts … could you provide them for the thread?

Please look again because I provided one in my example–I said:

Let me help you with plagarism. Clinton steals from her husband’s speeches without acknowledgedment all the time. Her Isaiah reference (a frequent reference) at the King Funeral where she looked like the one being buried after her husband spoke–straight from Bill Clinton’s speech writers.

Sure. I provided one. But it was provided for me on KO last night. I hardly blame her for doing it though–that has nothing to do with my support for Obama–it’s only in the news because of the manufactured flap where Obama and Governor Patrick trade phrases.

HRC has taken all kinds of change phrases from Obama without disguising them.

HRC used the Isaiah quote at the funeral of Correta Scott King in 2007 straight from her husgand’s speech in 2004

Castro announced he will not accept another term as President, but will continue to train in his Puma warmups to represent Cuba in the Olympics.

Instead of the lawsuits you want, look for calls for immunity and a bail-out.

What does it matter?

This election does seem to be the hand the “media” dealt us. I think the Democrats can take it, either way…

…but knowing it is going to be either “that bitch” or that “black muslim” running against the tortured war hero…

I’m nervous.

now this is just bizarre coming from fox news, if I hadn’t seen it myself I would have thought it came from ko or media matters;

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano penned an op-ed in yesterday’s Los Angeles Times arguing that the Protect America Act is unconstitutional. “The government should be required, as it was until FISA, to obtain a 4th Amendment warrant to conduct surveillance of anyone, American or not, in the U.S. or not,” he wrote.

http://www.latimes.com/news/pr.....9242.story

Well the mem