If you ever wondered how those fact-free, invective-filled right wing talking point missives imbed as news nuggets, wonder no more. Tristero recently highlighted a Buzzflash article from Drs. Neil Wollman and Abigail A. Fuller entitled "How Does Right-Wing Media Craft Its Message?" It’s been expanded, and is up at Digby’s.
I heartily suggest a full reading of it, in conjunction with this series from Jane: This Is How It’s Done, Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV.
It is this point, in particular, from the Tristero piece that I want to highlight:
Use loaded terminology to describe a disliked program. For example, use "death tax" instead of inheritance tax or "class warfare" to describe Democratic support of a more progressive tax to benefit lower-income Americans. (George Lakoff has discussed this in his work on political rhetoric.) An accompanying tactic is to make repeated negative associations with key concepts or constituencies so that they conjure up negative feelings (as with "Liberal" or "trial lawyer"). (emphasis mine)
On cue, old Novak rises from the crypt of dead memes with this today:
…The true reason for blocking the bill was Senate-passed retroactive immunity to protect from lawsuits private telecommunications firms asked to eavesdrop by the government. The nation’s torts bar, vigorously pursuing such suits, has spent months lobbying hard against immunity.
The recess by House Democrats amounts to a judgment that losing the generous support of trial lawyers, the Democratic Party’s most important financial base, would be more dangerous than losing the anti-terrorist issue to Republicans. Dozens of lawsuits have been filed against the phone companies for giving individuals’ personal information to intelligence agencies without a warrant. Mike McConnell, the nonpartisan director of national intelligence, says delay in congressional action deters cooperation in detecting terrorism.
Good lord, that’s a fact free load of hooey, isn’t it? When, exactly, did the ACLU and the EFF switch from being non-profit issue-oriented groups to "trial lawyers"? Or standing up for the rule of law become lobby-esque? Oh, that’s right, they did not. Poor deliberately lying confused Bob Novak. Nothing like repeating some right-wing, focus-grouped spew.
From where does this sort of idiocy eminate? From a few wingnutty blogs, then by Rep. Boehner on Faux News for a trial run last fall. And then…I’ll let emptywheel take it:
It must have polled well, because Dick is developing into an elaborate metaphor including a dig at trial lawyers.
One of the main things we need in there, for example, is retroactive liability protection for the companies that have worked with us and helped us prevent further attacks against the United States —
[snip]
RUSH: The opposition in the Senate is primarily from Democrats, correct?
CHENEY: Correct. People who don’t want to — I guess want to leave open the possibility that the trial lawyers can go after a big company that may have helped. (emphasis mine)
I wonder how the ACLU and EFF feel about being labeled trial lawyers?
Hello, Dick and Rush. Not exactly shocked, are you? From there, it landed with Dana Perino’s WH mouthpiece unit, echoed all over the wingnutosphere, finally landing in an RNC press release. And on to Novak this morning. It’s like playing a craven game of Six Degrees of Wurlitzer, isn’t it?
The fact that the claim is factually inaccurate, piggybacking on the fearmongering inaccuracies by raising the favorite wingnutty spectre of "an evil trial lawyer lobby" inaccurately? That they have been trying, unsuccessfully, to float out this idiotic meme for months now? Or that it was wholly manufactured as a wurlitzer pot stirrer? Or that even the conservative CATO Institute has called bullshit? Or that the telecoms have lobbyied for months on this — spending oodles of cash and hours doing so on the Hill? If at first you don’t succeed, sty, sty again, eh, Bob?
Cry wolf…let slip the dogs of war.
UPDATE: Oh look, Matt Stoller actually spoke with the trial lawyers and they laugh in the general direction of the wingnutties:
No matter how much the RNC – at the bidding of telecomm CEOs – tries to deflect the real issue, we have nothing to do with illegal wiretapping since we actually believe in the rule of law.
Well, that was simple, wasn’t it?
(H/T to Julia, Peterr, Marcy, and dakine for e-mailing me various bits of this. Thanks much!)
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Hi, Christy!
Good day to you, Christy..
Hello Ann in AZ:
again, it’s been a while…I think…
Morning all. Gray and dreary here today — good day to be inside with coffee and some interesting reading. How are things with everyone this morning?
I had no idea that 70% of the country are trial lawyers. Dammit, I KNEW I shouldn’t have majored in Poli Sci….
On topic: Interesting, the NYT is reporting that Gannett newspapers is in the process of buying up college newspapers. Hmmmm – could it be that they are now seeing college students as a threat to the all-war-all-the-time and corporationist meme on environment, etc.
Cry Waaaa… Let loose the Toy Poodles in the Puddles.
Hi Christy – grey, rainy. But at last it is not snow. And, everyone is home today, which is nice.
i’d like to know just what percentage of trial lawyers are Republican. i bet the number is quite large ….
It so so utterly laughable because, you know, the telecoms never, ever spend money on lobbyists or try to influence policy on the Hill.
O.o
It is to laugh…
Hey Biodun – a special shout out at you!
Shorter Novak: The telcomms have a right to your tax dollars and should not be sued for profiting from your personal information.
Thanks for this piece, Christy! I’ll slip over to digby and read hers. There’s a whole status quo, business-as-usual apple cart that needs tipping over, and blogs acting with synergy to push back against the b.s. and the rotten apples is a good place to start. Props to you. And Digby.
Feelin’ a little synergy-karma going on. Way to start a week.
Prairie Today: Thugs Walk Among Us
“Loaded terminology”. That’s the Karl Rove way. It’s essential to propaganda. This was understood all too well in the Third Reich.
And there was Bill Kristol´s comment yesterday:
I think it’s kind of unbelievable, frankly. It’s a judgment call. We don’t know. Not to give the administration the benefit of the doubt when they have career people, military people, intelligence people like Mike McConnell and Mike Hayden, and the attorney general, Mike Mukasey — I mean, these are not political hacks. These are not ideological people.
The NYT´s resident Twit.
I also would love the “kids” to start tracking the source of the guns that end up in the Sudan. Ours? China? In short, as with the recent recall of beef, and the awful situation with the Chinese drugs that are killing people here (without real oversight, and with fore-knowledge) it is time to make corporations accountable.
Hmm, just rereading the Kristol comment and we have the 3M: Mike, Mike, and Mike. Strange… .
Here’s my favorite part: “Mike McConnell, the nonpartisan director of national intelligence…”
Kristol’s column was one of the wackiest I have ever read: citing Kipling at the outset? WTF? It simply made no sense, except for the last paragraph on saving the telecoms – which I guess was the main point. Is that why we have Kipling here, meaning its an animal and colonialist world so get used to it?
I’m good and cool…*g*, sitting here watching MSNBC. In a few, I’ll head out to my favorite hot spot (always a requirment) cafe by the university with my laptop…and books and magazines…
It’s crisp, sunny and relatively mild (1 F!) winter day in Minneapolis. Chimpy is on his African safari…his pop endorsed McCain on MSNBC about an hour ago. As I said, things are honk-dory in good old US of A…
Oh, right, “non-partisan consensus” *rolls eyes*
If you refer to Kipling, you must be an intellectual and know what you are talking about, see? Then, no matter the fact that you are repeating false information, you sound erudite while you are doing so.
Welcome to the William F. Buckley, Jr., School of Public Philosophizing, Self-Aggrandizement Division. *g*
Loaded terminology? That’s what Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Coulter, Ingraham, Cheney, Hannity and a bunch of others have mastered.
AP – Former President George H.W. Bush endorsed John McCain on Monday, a nod of approval from the Republican political dynasty’s patriarch that sends a strong signal to a GOP establishment wary of the Arizona senator.
Hi Richmond…*g*
Kristol’s comment came from Faux Noise Sunday.
I try not to buy into the Be Very Afraid memos, but, what you say is scarey.
If college kids can’t question and rail, who can?
The next thing you know, they’ll try to buy the Lefty Blog Sites.
Hi, Biodun. I’ve been around, mostly coming in too late to comment so I’ve done more lurking and reading of the front page than I’ve had a chance to read the comments section. Saw and read your articles, though. Good job! I always make sure my online dictionary is open in the background for your posts, though. Always seem to need it. (And my SATs said I was in the 98th percentile on verbals. Guess that was too long ago to mean anything now.)
Yep…and meaning-challenged, content-free, malicious-intent, and purpose-laden…
And I loves me them imbeds and fighting words!
Thank you George Bush Sr. We’re going to beat the crap out of your boy McCain. Come this November.
Talk about through the looking glass: The Democratic Party, as interpreted by Kipling, as interpreted by Orwell, as interpreted by Kristol. I’m not sure even how to punctuate the concept.
Hey demi…*g*
The term “trial lawyers” is itself confusing. It does NOT, I guess, refer only to attorneys who try cases in court. Which attorneys are NOT Trial Attorneys?
Thanks, Ann…I aim to please…*g* But you should also thank Jane, Christy and others for giving me the opportunity. (And now I’ll go into lurk mode…*g*)
Probably most of them.
Edwards for AG. Now that might scare the GOP.
What false information am I repeating? (Or are you referring to Kipling?) We have a beautiful early edition of Kipling’s animal stories with amazing color plates and when my kid was little I thought I would read it at bed time. After a couple of stories, I realized it was just too gross to continue.
There was a perfect example of this on today’s Diane Rehm Show where Douglas Kmiec spewed the Administration’s cant on the power of the Executive Branch and the Unitary Executive, and Bruce Fein and Lewis Fisher attempted (effectively, in my mind) to roll back the various misstatements of fact and outright lies, and the inflammatory language required to support the Administration’s position.
Rehm wasn’t helpless, but wasn’t aggressive in probing Kmiec.
It’s a coincidence that last night I was talking with two historians and we were discussing the beginning of the abdication of the clarification and “fact checking” role of the press that we all noted began during the Reagan Administration. One of the issues that my friend noted was the the acceleration of the news cycle made it substantively more difficult to really fact check and deconstruct elaborate falsehoods. On the other hand, the Reagan Administration and the Republicans brutalized anyone who didn’t buy the myth of St. Ronnie the Right.
The Wollman and Fuller work helps us to remember the correct direction to go.
Or are you referring to Kristol?
Day-uhm! I’ve loved Kipling all my life. My grandmother and parents read me the Jungle Book and the Just So Stories and as an adult, I’ve read all of his stuff.
But if Lil’ Billy is using Kipling to justify his gibberish, I may have to re-think things.
Listen up Republicans. We are going to nail you. And we are going to do this with the rule of law.
Not you — was talking about the Kristol method of using Kipling references to cloak repetition of false memes in a sheen of “smarty pants.”
Richmond is an intellectual…
The trial lawyers drive the democratic agenda. hahaha
See Ya´ll! I am heading to the beach for the rest of week! Keep those Rethugs off balance and looking stoooopid… shouldn´t be too hard.
I want the Democrats to select a brand new Special Prosecuter come next January.
Whew! (Paranoid here much? Nah!). I even thought for a second you were clobbering intellectuals. *g*
They had the ‘trial lawyers’ thing all ready to go in case Edwards was making too much progress. Now it’s out there, and some people didn’t get the memo that they don’t need it anymore.
Dare I?
They like the lawyers who do securities law which is all sorts of arcane bull shit to enable huge financial instruments and transactions to exist.
As Edwards said there are two Americas.
I’m sure the Case&White type firms are very close to the republicans in spirit.
Re: Kipling:
“If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken, twisted by errant knaves to set a trap for fools, you’ll be a man, my son…”
Fitting words for our times..
Christy, did you see Marc’s post: Inaugurating the New York Times Deathwatch?
Pretty good summary really.
Updated above: Had forgotten about this, but Stoller actually spoke to folks at the trial lawyers’ association who laughed outright at all of this. It’s linked above.
I heard a bunch of references this morning to “Bill Clinton’s temper”…
Rove’s tactics…define your opponent by the weaknesses in your candidate in order to neutralize the coming attacks on your candidate.
“What do you mean McCain has a temper, just look at Bill Clinton’s temper”…
I wonder what other weaknesses in the McCains will be tagged onto the Clintons and the Obamas. Dems beware.
The don’t like lawyers who successfully go after corporations, especially on class action suits.
Imagine that, the people facing the corporation and a jury of their peers rendering a verdict.
Jury trials are too democratic for the authoritarian types.
um, she’s referring to kristol, i think.
New Horror flick- “Attack of the Trial Lawyers.”
LOL no — unlike the right wing, I think knowledge and facts are an essential thing. Trying to use real intellectuals as a cover for idiocy? Not so much my thing.
Ahhhh! Showered, brushed my teeth, feelin’ fresh as a daisy. Surprised you all didn’t comment on my, um, bouquet, earlier. Here in NoVa, it’s sunny and pushing 70. Time to run the dogs in the park. My peace-lovin’, slobbery kissin’, dopey smilin’, dogs.
Toodles, firepups!
this is a pretty good day to run down why Bush is the worst president ever–especially as next year we will begin to have the perspective of history that will forever enshrine him in with Harding, Coolidge, James Van Buren and the Harrison’s in the knuckle-dragger emporium.
Could it be that they’re so bereft of both money and meme’s that they can’t afford to waste anything they’ve spent time developing? I’m all for re-cycling but eventually even the most eco-friendly items get used up. Methinks that’s the situation with the “trial lawyer as boogie man” theme. That is, assuming it ever had any validity in the first place, which is doubtful.
yay! kipling zigs, good one for Kristol:
LOL! from the muzzle of the horse – or something like that. (What is that saying?).
On Kipling, I have this both very scary and beautiful memory of my 85 year old grandmother reading to me the story of the blacks running around and around in this yellow buttery substance being turned to butter(????). I think it was Kipling. It was so wonderful to have this great intellectually towering woman and world traveller of perhaps five feet (a one-time Stevenson groupie) reading to me, and yet I had this visceral reaction of great fear as these poor people were being run to death until they were turned to butter. Yuck! Awful.
LOL
I’m a little surprised that they haven’t come up with some sort of “gay phone sex” angle.
Gay men are having phone sex! On the same telephone lines that your 4-year-old uses to talk to his grandparents! If they aren’t stopped, the terrorists win!
Biodun –
I’m pretty sure Steve Gilliard was on this sometime in early 2005 — but then, Steve’s disdain for “Pravda on the Hudson” was endless. :)
Fortunately for goopers- Hillary and Obama are both lawyers- but I don’t know if they are of the particularly evil “Trial Lawyer” variety.
kiddo, I hope you don’t mind a slight edit. I really want prosecution for war crimes.
I so miss Steve Gilliard. He would have enjoyed the demise of Rudy so much the last few months…
Wiki for Little Black Sambo which is the story you are thinking of. It was not Kipling.
From the horse’s mouth…*g*
Little Black Sambo – Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Story of Little Black Sambo, a children’s book by Helen Bannerman, a Scot living in India, was first published in London in 1899. …
NOT KIPLING
Along those lines, many of the people in Congress have law degrees. That makes perfect sense to me. Congress’s function is to write laws. So I think it’s a good thing that the people who work there have studied the law. I’d also like people with medical degrees to be running the American Medical Association. I’ve never understood why conservatives think it’s some sort of grand conspiracy that there are lawyers in Congress.
It’s particularly confusing since many/most of THEM are lawyers.
Yes, having the lawyers at Powerline complain about lawyers is a bit…erm…amusing.
Thanks – I guess? (*g*). Actually thanks!
It i just that the story still brings shivers. Maybe also, because I remember a big party my parents were having and I begged my mom to let me whip the cream for the strawberry short cakes, and because things were hectic she said OK with the worning not to over whip it. Well you can imagine, by the time she came back I had turned all the cream into a still yellow mass. And, in those days there were no stores open on Saturdays for a retry. To say she was pissed was an understatement!
Was little Black Sambo black? He was from India and turned the deadly tigers into butter which he spread on his pancakes.
seemed too simple.
Attacking lawyers is, again…Rove’s tactics…McCain and W are not, and that is their weakness..so attack the opponent’s strength with your candidate’s weakness.
They will go after Mrs. Obama on this…just watch.
It’s classic Rove.
Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks. I never found it in the Kipling I have, so I assumed it was elsewhere. Boy did those Brits have issues with India and the other colonies. (Hmmm, a bit like we do in our new ME colonial ventures).
Kipling wrote some hoary stuff about the British army getting its ass kicked in Afghanistan.
Kristol should suck on some of that.
http://www.daypoems.net/poems/1799.html
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!
Clusterfuck WANTED to be a trail lawyer- but no law school would admit him- so he got an MBA and became a failed businessman instead. Even the University of Texas wouldn’t let his ignorant ass into the law school.
I remember that horrid story and my horrid grandmother read it to me.
Talk about through the looking glass:
This is also known by postmodernists as the mirror of desire that we pass through, desire expelled through the culo… or the eye of God in the apex or the cathedral, that hole on top of the church that allows light to pass through, to shine on the entire interior of the church and all the people in the congregation…*g*
John McBotox looks warm and glowing next to Poppy and Barbara Bush.
The smell of New World Order reeks of Ben Gay and Gold Bond powder.
-G
In the picture in my memory, they were very dark skinned (but it could also have been the metaphoric pejorative “black” in the colonial imaginary. It is a little like the humor magazine Puck at the 1893 Columbian fair in Chicago – the Irish were portrayed with dark skin and features which seemed to meld them with black personifications.
Wow! Jeez. And, all the eenie, meanie, minie, moe crap. We really have come a long way (My kid knows it only as “catch a leopard”).
Interesting. It would be great to get that out there. We are an amazingly well educated bunch at the Lake.
The Democrats need to point out that the ‘trial lawyers’ have gotten rich in the Bush years by defending GOP felons.
-G
The illustrations in the original book showed Sambo as very black- takin the lead from the Title I suppose- but the setting was certainly India- where the author lived for many years and where there WERE tigers- Tigers have had been extinct in Africa for a long time when the book was written.
Anybody see the expression on GHWB’s face, standing behind McCain, when McCain said that he and GHWB have being “shot down” during wartime in common?
GHWB grimaced, shook his head, and turned to Barbara…with a WTF look…it was weird, because his plane was shot up, he completed his bombing mission, and then ejected. I’m not sure what prompted the expression, but it is well worth watching again.
Well, actually, a tiger. (I am not so good on the child rhyme and proverb stuff today- horses mouth, catch a tiger….
something for William the Krystol by Kipling:
“Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle
the Aryan brown
For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and
he weareth the Christian down;
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name
of the late deceased.
And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried
to hustle the East.”
As you know, Freud also used this metaphor to code woman as colony, the mysterious dark continent, Africa…in his paradigm: What does a woman want? Famous words…
It really isn’t complicated. The telecoms broke the law. Got caught. Want off the hook.
If Right Wingers can just keep knotting the ball of yarn they can get the “folks” out there who believe without question, to dismiss telecom immunity as “too complicated”. There’s that word again – comlicated.
Ever notice how Repugs never address citizens like adults but talk down to them like “folks” smoking corn pipes sitting in a rocking chair on the porch all day. Classic NeoCon elitism that Bob Novak and his ilk spew – we’re so smart we can hoodwink you ignorant folks.
Kipling was a bit of a defeatist as military poets go eh?
That one is excellent too.
Well, now that’s one of those things you learn real young as a small town country boy, living on or near the farm. I recall churning the cream into butter and the energy needed was a good way to keep a little boy occupied in doing something constructive.
i think it was the tigers that were turned to butter not Sambo.
I think he was a “realist” *g
I was pretty young at the time, and don’t remember having an idea that this took place in a particular geographical site. Also, I think at that time (and in my subconscious now – see above *g*) tigers are just leopards with stripes – so I didn’t have a sense that one was found in one place and not another. The fact that my grandmother was also a leader in Eugenics (yuck) probably meant that for me, the tale was on one level situated here in the U.S.
OT On another thread someone said something about a bombing at the Baghdad airport. Does anyone know anything about that? Have a link?
Yes, Sambo was a particularly brave and clever little boy who not only DEFEATED his enemy- but ATE them having turned them into butter. Certainly an heroic albeit canabalistic figure.
Yup, and Mary Louise Pratt – on the claiming (taking) the “virgin” land. Plays out in the construction of South Africa in the Western imaginary as a place with no native inhabitants. Alas, archaeologists then found evidence of early complex society here, so that theory went out the window.
What Sambo did to the Tigers, Ghandi did to the english- perhaps this was a political story.
Meanwhile, MSNBC is extremely obsessed with this election in general, and with Hill (and the Big Dawg) and Obama in particular. That’s what they’ve more or less been yakking about all morning, occasionally punctuated by the McCartney-Hayley divorce…
This may be what you are looking for: http://firedoglake.com/2008/02…..n-baghdad/
Gasp! What’s the story behind that rhyme? Have I been teaching my children some slander unknowingly? (We say catch a tiger by the toe)
Don’t think that cross species eating (i.e., human eating tiger) fits the definition of cannibal). If so, then most of us who eat meat would fit that def.
Yep…
I knew it wasn’t a new concept. A number of Renaissance paintings contain paintings withing paintings withing paintings (ala Colbert). The ability to link, on the internet, makes it common. Somehow, I don’t trust Kristol to accurately interpret one source removed, much less two. :)
No way?! Wow. I don’t remember it ending that way at all. (So much for childhood memory). That makes it even worse (promoting fear of the other as wanting to kill the dominant group). Someone relatively recently (who? where? when?) was arguing that whites in the U.S. assumed that because they have had such an awful history of violence towards blacks that the latter have on their minds at every waking moment the turning of the tables. This, it was argued, was a means of whites playing with their own guilt, while also continuing to scapegoat blacks. Vicious circle. Again the Obama candidacy is such an important contrastto this.
Help help what’s the topic? :)
somewhat apropos: tyger tyger
Wasn’t it written before Gandi’s success?
Some of what was written to Bush last week by Rep. Silvestre Reyes, chairman, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:
…If our nation is left vulnerable in the coming months, it will not be because we don’t have enough domestic spying powers. It will be because your Administration has not done enough to defeat terrorist organizations – including al Qaeda — that have gained strength since 9/11. We do not have nearly enough linguists to translate the reams of information we currently collect. We do not have enough intelligence officers who can penetrate the hardest targets, such as al Qaeda. We have surged so many intelligence resources into Iraq that we have taken our eye off the ball in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As a result, you have allowed al Qaeda to reconstitute itself on your watch.
You have also suggested that Congress must grant retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies. As someone who has been briefed on our most sensitive intelligence programs, I can see no argument why the future security of our country depends on whether past actions of telecommunications companies are immunized.
The issue of telecom liability should be carefully considered based on a full review of the documents that your Administration withheld from Congress for eight months. However, it is an insult to the intelligence of the American people to say that we will be vulnerable unless we grant immunity for actions that happened years ago.
…
I, for one, do not intend to back down – not to the terrorists and not to anyone, including a President, who wants Americans to cower in fear.
We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…..k_down.php
on the claiming (taking) the “virgin” land.
Woman as virgin to be r***d, ravished by colonists and colonials. This also informs cartography–you know how in maps, virgin territories are indicated by white spaces…waiting to be r****d…as it were…
Trial Attorneys and butter.
The alps were a simple people
they lived on a diet of rice and old shoes
and the lord alps them that alps themselves
is that it?
thanks, twolf1
It didn’t used to be that way. When I grew up (in northern New England indeed) we used the N word instead of the tiger) and I grew up in a “well educated” community and neighborhood.
LOL – tigers.
Yes- but not before the surfacing of the conflict that Ghandi spent his life on.
Yup, yup, yup – and the offspring becoming more civilized, tamed…. Nasty stuff all around.
LOL squared.
and bears. . .oh my!
Oh nooo! I actually taught that rhyme to English students around the world. Crap. Now I feel like an evil colonizer. How horrible.
Raven – this is what happens when you give a bunch of over achievers a day off!
Virgin(ia)…as an example. When the colonists landed in Jamestown, they found virgin territory, so they named it Virginia…
You have a day off? I sure don’t…pampered academics!
707!!
Thought they named it after the virgin queen.
Silly me, I thought that was because Virginia was for lovers
Well at least you told them it was a tiger. Funny how much these old tropes tell about difficult moments in history. You probably know that Ring around the Rosie, Pocket full of Posie, Ashes ashes we all fall down is about the plague. the rose colored ring is the sores, the posies are the flowers used to cover the smell of stench, ashes reference the burning of the bodies, and We all fall down means everyone is taken.
We aren’t off! This is another Yankee holiday like Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
They named it after the “Virgin” Queen Elizabeth…
ditto – Elizabeth (who seems not to have been a virgin….. hmmm)
In that case, wasn’t it supposed to be after the “Virgin Queen?”
Virginia-named after the Virgin Queen, Elizabeth I…
The Commonwealth of Virginia (pronounced /vɚˈdʒɪnjə/) is a Southeastern state on the Atlantic Coast of the United States of America. Virginia is the 12th-most populous state in the U.S. with over 7.7 million residents and the 35th largest in area.[2] It is named after Queen Elizabeth I of England, who was known as the ‘Virgin Queen’ as she never married.
Hmmm, lots of state employees have the day off. I am thinking of Lincoln as I sit here (supposedly editing….. discipline, discipline….)
When I was a kid, my dad as a state employee got both Lincoln’s B’day and Washington’s off as state holidays. He also got Confederate Memorial day (in June?) and a couple of other Confederate related holidays. Being a border state had its advantages.
I can’t remember where you live. But, it may be that the south just wasn’t so keen on Lincoln. *g*
It’s a courthouse day off as well today — so lawyers everywhere are catching up on paperwork and phone messages. (Oh no. Run. Hide. Scary lawyers. mwahahahahaha…cracks me up.)
Now that one I did know, (the British version being “a tissue, a tissue, we all fall down.”) Morbid, but not inflammatory like eenie meany miney moe.
The Virgin Queen turned the spanish armada into butter.
That would be Georgia
Peachy! (Nice state yours, by the way).
Nope, nope, nope…maybe they thought that’s what they were doing, but that’s not really what they were doing: they were doing something else…if you get my drift…*g*
This is all about campaign finance reform.
These propaganda tactics wouldn’t exist if the media weren’t owned by the same corporations that own our Congress. Media regulation is impossible when the corporations own the regulators and their bosses.
Only a grassroots effort to elect CFR candidates can succeed in removing the influence of corporations, and free us from the hegemony of corporate propaganda.
And considering how demographics have changed in most of our fields, I dare say we can add shopping, vacuuming, form-filling and other misc around the house that simply never seem to get done.
Please see my 148. A lot of ink has been spilled on this one. A LOT.
OT (not about lawyers, tigers or virgins) – There are 100 tickets reserved for the public for Thursday night’s Presidential debate at Univ of Texas. I registered for one. They’ll give equal numbers to Obamans and Clintonistas and some to undecideds. We’re to be informed tomorrow morning if we got a ticket. For those of us that aren’t all dead yet.
Here, they tried to change it to “a kleenex, a kleenex we all fall down” – just to get in a corporate plug. *g*
You were considered a virgin until you had a baby.
That would have been the weather in an area notorious for it changing rapidly weather. It is where I learned to sail and I can tell you bright sunshine 10 knot brreze and half an hour, or less, later high seas, 30-50 knot winds and raining like the dickens. Nope it was the weather done em in.
The latest Democratic campaign circular firing squad attack is an attempt to give Sen. Obama the Joe Biden/Niel Kinnock treatment.
Says Sen. Obama lifted speeches from Deval Patrick.
It’s a twofer….says Obama is dishonest and ties him to the other Black guy.
Looking forward to limping to the general election.
-G
Re: Virgina:
Gang:
Please see my 148…
LOL!
I thought that the “day off” gave them a chance to work on their evil plans to take over everything from everybody, everywhere.
I actually think, in that case, Sir Walter Raleigh though he was naming it after Elizabeth. Like all courtiers, he was a noted brown noser.
It was in the paper today (NYT or globe). The two of them were strategizing together on how to address this. Hmm, it must be an effective response.
lol
How many days off does congress have for the holiday? Is it 12 working days or something. I got one.
Someone likes the Spanish, na na na na na! (or one of those creepy know-everything intellectuals who has to ruin everyone’s fun with details and facts). *g*
So you’re saying that Sir Walter Raleigh and the colonists didn’t know what they were really doing when they claimed to name the new land for their Queen? Do you have a source for this? I mean just because Raleigh founded the first settlements in Virginia and was a lover of Elizabeth and the first child born in the settlement was also named Virginia, they weren’t consciously honoring their Queen?
Kind of like the public radio announcements of their funding sources: “This colony is brought to you by Elizabeth, the Virgin Queen . . .”
Then a guy could be a virgin for a LONG TIME.
lol!
Well— or he could claim to be a virgin, when it was clear he was not!
Nah it is where I grew up. School and all that stuff. And yeah I do like Spain now that it is no longer fascist unlike, say, merca.
Yea, we’ll I’ve been here since 84 but I’m an Illini forever.
I think Siun (who is good at such things)should be asked to do a brief summary of this post commentary before a new one is put up. Any seconds?
America has long flirted with fascism- and it winks BACK!
Spain is an amazing place. Entering the European market changed lots of things financially.
rw – I think this was a girlie thingie. For a guy it was different. Once he uses his thingie in all the appropriate places, he’s (in deep voice) a man!
Trial Lawyers as dog whistle rings true with wingnuts everywhere. Limbaugh and other great thinkers have been hammering on Trial Lawyers for years. To get the common man opposed to lawyers works to further the fascist cause – no legal representation (and no rights) for the commoners. Lawyers are bad, except when a wingnut needs one. Just ask Rush. He likely has a team of them on retainer.
Gotta run. See all later.
The mapmaking I’m talking about is based on mappa mundi…
Seriously, this is the Wizard of Oz story playing out. Don’t be afraid of the great Oz..he’s just a man behind a curtain that wants to scare you to death.
Good for Reyes…
Jeez, and then he got turned into butter; or did I get the order wrong?
Gooper intellectuals learn faster than others- most of em reach enlightenment before they drop out of community college.
Butter hardens at room temperature.
All lawyers are bad men and women except, of course, Addington, Fielding, Harriet Miers.
W
My source is: numerous books and articles by feminists; try typing “Ella Shohat” into amazon.com (or Google) and see the titles you come up with. Those are my sources…*g*
Jeez. Depends on how warm the room is. And in THOSE days houses were kept pretty cold. And, —-the visual is a bit much!
Buy a new globe- new nation in the world:
PRISTINA, Kosovo – The United States formally recognized Kosovo’s independence Monday, and Europe’s major powers said they would do the same, setting up a confrontation with Serbia and its key ally, Russia.
Kosovo’s leaders had sent letters to 192 countries Monday seeking formal recognition of independence, and suspense gripped the capital as its citizens awaited backing from the key powers.
But later Monday, President Bush said, “The Kosovars are now independent,” and the United States formally recognized Kosovo’s independence in a statement by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Not only was the first Queen Lizzy maybe not a virgin, according to the notable source, Conservapedia, she didn’t exist.
In this instance, I think you’re probably better off relying on the actual sources and thinking of those like Sir Walter Raleigh, who founded the colony for what was in his mind rather than the writings of someone in current times trying to read his mind and intents from her own biases.
Obviously, YMMV
Ella Shohat: A personal friend, BTW, whom I published when I was senior editor at U of MN Press…
I’m in complete agreement with you here. Scholars do their own scholarships with the methods and protocols they have developed themselves…
…and that they have developed as an intellectual community…
Has Chimpy called the ‘Kosovanians’ and given them props yet?
-G
Per DNI McConnell:
In fact, existing law requires telecommunications companies to comply with LEGITIMATE requests from intelligence officials and immunizes them from liability for that assistance. And, if the real issue is that bogus, then the unreal issue, i.e., the need for beyond-FISA surveillance, is total crock of shit.
He’s offered to sell em surplus WW2 weapons at double market value.
Not yet. His staff have been so far unsuccessful teaching him to pronounce ‘Kosovanian’.
I love how Clusterfuck is able to juggle two balls at once- “nothin illegal was done” and “We gotta protect companies from legal liability”
Fucker doesn’t even BLINK!
Actually that was Chimpy’s bastardization of people who are actually Kosovars.
But then again what can you expect from a man who said today the spending on the Iraq occupation had nothing to do with the economy except maybe make it better.
-G
He called them “Kosovahs” this morning on his Africansafari…*g*
They need to be careful though because by developing their own biases “…as an intellectual community…” can lead to the same thinking that gives us the Village CW or the reinforcement of the Wingnuts and all sorts of things that really are not based on actual happenings.
Is it possible that Sir Walter Raleigh et al had some subconscious linking of the name Virginia to the Virgin lands concept? Sure it is. But my wager is that motive would have been down the page on a list of the reasons for the name and far below the naming for the Queen whihc is cited as the primary reason.
Not necessary- he calls em “Kosavars”.
Perhaps Patrick and Obama having the same manager, Axelrod, would lead to similar themes between them? Axelrod said Patrick wrote his own lines that are now being talked about, but funny how Patrick’s campaign used a lot of from Obama’s 2004 campaign. Obama says many of the same things in his book “Dreams…” which he wrote almost 15 years ago. No matter how hard Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn, and their friends in BigMedia try to make this an issue, it’s not going anywhere. I see it backfiring on them mostly.
BTW, a just released poll from Public Policy Polling has Obama up 13% now in WI.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk….._doubl.php
Perhaps WI will be like so many other states, where once the candidates campaign head-to-head in a state, Obama takes a commanding lead by election day?
He said “Kosovahs are now indipindint…”
FWIW, when I was younger, I had a West Virginia history course, which naturally included some of the early history of Virginia, since we used to be the same state. And that included some study of the information and diaries of early settlers and explorers who helped Raleigh found Virginia. And the consensus as I recall it was that he was sucking up to Elizabeth for favor by naming it after her — and that she was flattered somewhat by it. (Not that it helped Raleigh in the end, for King James imprisoned him as I recall for offenses against the crown after Elizabeth passed.)
As one thinks about the Bush years, one realizes that we are in a remake of STRIPES and that Bush is the John Candy character- teachin the Rube american people how to play poker.
Like Ron Burgundy and Ted Baxter before him, you just put the script in front of Dubya’s face and he will read whatever you put in front of him(spelled phonetically and in large type, of course).
Ahhhh…Ted Baxter. Now that is an amusing comparison, all by itself, isn’t it?
POLL: ARG Wisconsin
American Research Group
Wisconsin
Clinton 49, Obama 43… McCain 46, Huckabee 42, Paul 4
– Eric Dienstfrey
I was pointing out that it was a kind of dirty campaign tactic used to hobble a fellow Demcrat.
That is what ruined Biden’s first bid. Some Democrat sent a tape of Biden’s speech to the media. It caused Biden to quit.
Biden was shown sayin: “Why was I the first Biden in a 1,000 generations ever to get to a university.”
The it showed a UK Labor politician named Neal Kinnock saying the same thing.
That was the end of Biden’s first attempt at the presidency.
-G
Once tin lizzy croaked he was in deep shit with James. Eventually francis was de conked after attacking the Spanish.. And so the worm turns
A new poll from Public Policy Polling (D) gives Barack Obama a big lead for tomorrow’s Wisconsin primary, a somewhat bigger lead than most other polls have shown.
Here are the numbers, compared to last week’s poll
Obama 53% (+3)
Clinton 40% (+1)
That’s the company that had Hillary up 10% the day before the Iowa caucuses, and ARG was one of, if not the worst rated in a recent comparison of polling companies.
To understand the W years, historians will have to go back to his words at the beginning of his administration:
“You can fool some of the people all of the time- and them’s the ones ya gotta concentrate on”.
This guy’s been a con artist since day one.
Biden/Kinnock/Wiki
In 1987, Joe Biden ran as a Democratic presidential candidate. When the campaign began, he was considered a frontrunner because of his moderate image. However, the campaign ended when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party. Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one, the one where he failed to make mention of the originator was caught on video. In the video Biden is filmed repeating a stump speech by Kinnock, with only minor modifications. “Why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go a university? Why is it that my wife . . . is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? . . . Is it because they didn’t work hard? My ancestors who worked in the coal mines of northeast Pennsylvania and would come after 12 hours and play football for four hours? It’s because they didn’t have a platform on which to stand.” After Biden withdrew from the race it was learned that he had correctly credited Kinnock on all other occasions. He failed to do so, however, in the Iowa speech that was recorded and distributed to reporters (with a parallel video of Kinnock) by aides to Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee. Dukakis fired John Sasso, his campaign manager and long-time Chief of Staff, but Biden’s campaign could not recover.[20]
-G
Oh yea, and Hillary came in 3rd in Iowa. The remaining candidate to come in 3rd at any point.
looks like another instance of battling primary polls. They haven’t had much predictive value so far.
Is my snark meter not working or did he actually say that?
The Clintons will sacrifice the Democrats to try to achieve their own personal goals.
I’m refusing to pay much attention to any polls this year — they have been so far off the mark overall on too many occasions for my comfort level.
I’m starting to think that stuff is just not working anymore. Obama has tapped into a simmering feeling in much of the electorate that’s just tired of that kind of pettiness. That’s why I’m thinking it might backfire on them, like the debate argument the Clintons have been making also, since it represents the type of campaigning people are sick of.
Badwater:
The alienate everyone in America strategy by Hillary Clinton surrogates continues:
“Superdelegates are not second-class delegates,” says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. “The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic.”
-G
Oh he said it all right- it was intended to be a joke- but a pretty serious one as it turns out.
It is certainly a very dissatisfied with the status quo electorate this year. And honestly, when you look at how the Bush/Cheney crew and their cronies have been running the status quo, that level of disgust and simmering anger is understandable, isn’t it?
Yeah it’s an odd year- people seem to make their minds up on the way through the door of the polling place.
This will be sure to prompt a new thread, flash from the BBC
A national dance craze in Ivory Coast has spawned a black market in treatments claiming to increase one’s bottom size.
The dance in question has been inspired by DJ Mix and DJ Eloh’s hit song Bobaraba, which means “big bottom” in the local Djoula language.
We made it as a tribute to women, because African women are defined by the shape of their bottoms
When it plays you can be guaranteed that the dance floor will be packed with people shaking their derrieres.
There’s not that much difference between Obama and Hillary on the issues- so people are making up their minds on the basis of other factors–not sure which factors those are.
Same reaction here. It’s so inside baseball, who really cares about whether some phrases in a speech were used before by somebody else, when the country is in freefall?
I guess maybe this craze was started because some big ass was visiting???
Haven’t been able to stop by much recently, but have these recent polls showing Obama gaining double digit leads over McCan’t, while Clinton is losing ground to St. John, been getting much attention?
SurveyUSA, the most accurate so far, has Obama with a 10% lead on McCandyCain, and Clinton losing by 7% in WI. Rasmussen has Obama winning by 10% over McCan’t in CO and Penn, with Hillary losing in both. These are pretty big shifts in the last week or so.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..lltracker/
I don’t much care who wins the primary- only that the winner kick the holy shit out of McBush come November.
Obama’s up an average of five points against McBush in recent polls vs. Hillary. That’s just outside the margin of error. I don’t think that’s significant at this stage of the race.
Stuff is not working for most people with the exception of the elites and the punditry/news reader class. They are doing quite well, many making 7 figure salaries. For the them the status quo couldn’t be better therefore they will support the Republican candidate to preserve their pampered and priviledged positions. This will be obvious during the Nov. election. It’s been seen before. Look at how the media treated Gore compared to Bush. The MSM is nothing more than purveyors of the status quo.
( in the vein of this post )
it’s your Grand-children’s Mc Bush WAR !