As Duncan pointed out this morning, bankruptcy hearings just ain't what they used to be:
"I've never seen anything like this before," Jaroslovsky said before the hearing. "I've never seen so many people care so little about losing their homes."
Which made me think about this WaPo story from the other day about the creative ways that lenders are tying themselves in knots to get payments on their "creative loans,"about which Tanta at Calculated Risk had this to say:
Spend decades building ever-larger, more consolidated servicing portfolios through mergers, acquisitions, and bulk purchases. Chase marginal improvements in efficiency with automation, out-sourcing and off-shoring. Wall yourselves and your "platforms" off in centralized compounds far from your customers and their local markets, withdraw behind consumer-proof phone menus, worthless web portals, and untrained "customer service representatives." Keep your performance statistics up with aggressive collection practices; keep your operating costs down with robo-calls and impenetrable scripting. Manage yourself quarter-to-quarter with frequent purchases and sales of loan servicing in rapid succession, confusing and alienating your current and former customers, losing track of payments and account numbers, cancelling automated payment provisions at a keystroke, performing three escrow analyses (with three payment increases) in a single year. Hire a subservicer to do the grunt work, adding another layer of impenetrability and forcing even more "cost-cutting" measures to keep the subservicer profitable. Outsource your default servicing and REO management functions to a third party who talks to your own staff via phone menus and searches for ever more creative ways to extract fees from consumers, since you don't pay much. Encourage an entire cottage industry of hucksters, scammers, and pick-pockets to grow up around you, like fungus, in the name of providing "counseling" or "negotiation" or "foreclosure avoidance" services, assuring that your customers will no longer be able to tell who is legitimate and who isn't. Demonize community-based homeowner-advocacy services until you need to co-opt them to bolster your own absent credibility.
Eventually you find yourself sending pleas to your customers to return your calls disguised as wedding invitations. You have borrowers who choose the lesser evil of losing their homes in silence rather than the greater evil of trying to deal with you. Your response is to use someone else's letterhead. This, you think, will make you look trustworthy. After all, most of us already associate deceptively-packaged mailers with the same fast-talking brokers who got us into these loans we don't understand. But if it worked once, it might work again. What other choice do you have?
And it is getting uglier. Pretty much everywhere.
Welcome to the GOP-fueled economic policy crapfest. Want more? Vote McCain, whose incomprehensive knowledge of economic policy could fit into a teaspoon and still have plenty of room to move about...had enough?
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What a visual Christy; what a tragedy.
That is a sad commentary! We’re in world of sh*t…!
I like the feeble Hope program, 30 days of relief…! Could it be any feebler…?
We need real numbers I doubt the banks even now are giving them to us. I wonder how long before we like England have to Nationalize or otherwise bailout a bank?
Yep, that pretty much summed up in a nutshell where we are. When I was in private practice and walked some of my clients through the hell of a personal bankruptcy, we would work our asses off to find some way for them to keep their houses for their families. If people have reached a point where they don’t even put up a fight? That’s serious desperation.
A good evening to you, Christy…
Kiddo and I are displeased. We will vote for President Obama or President Hillary Clinton.
L.
btw, the “want more” link above? It’s a story about how the homeless in some areas are finding the credit crunch advantageous because it provides more abandoned homes for squatting for the night. I kid you not. What a painful “silver lining,” if you can even call it that for any ofthe people involved…
Evening! How’s tricks?
We support Obama in this house.
AP - Top advisers to Hillary Rodham Clinton accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of plagiarism Monday, the latest effort by her campaign to undermine the Illinois senator’s credibility.
Jeez. And know that there is no movement (or hint of a movement) to actually hold any one accountable. That is what really pisses me off. If there is no trial, no accountability, nothing actually happened.
this makes perfect sense, the lenders gave easy loans, this inflated the housing market and the smart buyer bought on these teaser rates with the full expectation that if the market didn’t continue to expand they would just opt out of the loan and leave the house for the bank to worry about
this is poetic justice and the only thing I don’t want is the industry to get bailed out
let them try to resell the houses on the market for quarters on the dollar
as I have said for a while, most regulations are in place to address issues the industry caused, they wouldn’t pay their own bills and we needed to regulate the industry so they do pay their bills
it’s because of the industry housing prices inflated and they need to pay the price of reconciliation
this would be a good thing too, we need to flood the market with unbought homes in order to bring prices back down to where they belong
Damn it Hillary.
Just follow the money. That always works.
I saw a statistic yesterday stating that California leads the nation in foreclosure rates, a staggering 187%…
My local paper trumpeted this; “Island real estate market sags…,” this morn…! 8-(
He was talking strategy with his friend the Gov of Mass was faced with the same type of critique that he “spoke too well.”
And it is getting uglier. Pretty much everywhere.
This situation calls for less regulation, lower taxes and, obviously, more cowbell.
Hillary R. Clinton has taken off the gloves. Okay… Clinton.
Yes, but we need court cases after that. So far it is just, well it was legal….
here’s an example of why some people don’t care if they go into forclosure;
suppose a family bought a house for 60,000 dollars
as the market expanded the house became worth about 1/4 million and this was fair according to the economy
then the subrime mortgages caused a shortage of houseing and this 1/4 million dollar house started selling for 1/2 to 3/4 million dollars
why WOULDN’T a person take out a loan for that 3/4 million at the teaser rate?
then, if the market crashed, they could just let the bank take over the house and bing, they earned 1/2 million dollars by letting the bank forclose
this is good bussiness as far as I am concerned and I think the banks should be left trying to resell the house
That’s just petty. Plus the guy doesn’t write his own speeches.
D’oh! Obviously…! ;-)
30 years of conservative government. The triumph of the swill.
-G
Good one…
I am no economist, and I don’t know the best way to deal with the current housing credit crisis, but it would be wrong to bail out these unscrupulous actors who have brought us to this point.
“Welcome to the GOP-fueled economic policy crapfest. Want more?”
Stop circling the bowl and take the plunge…vote McDrain.
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Interesting…In Minneapolis this winter, fewer people than usual are showing up at night for the routine 6 PM check-in at homeless shelters, which has those running them a little baffled. I guess this explains it. I hadn’t even thought of that. Talk about irony…
it would actually hurt to bail them out
they need to forclose and resell the homes they loaned against, that would lower the price of houseing to the level it’s supposed to be
Who are you indicating is petty? I’m not clear on this.
off on a date, see all later
Also, I was over at Sadly,No! and their in house troll was spouting some wretched bile about Sen. Obama.
‘Comes from a long line of Muslims in Africa who were a bunch of slave traders’.
Notice that it is seen as a pejorative to be related to slave traders from Africa.
Yet these are often the same assholes that are proud of their Confederate history.
As I said, the conservatives have a talent for creating their own realities at such a furious pace that it is too exhausting to keep up with them.
-G
Tax Cuts! No Regulation! Financial meltdowns! No Unions! The Free Market is Infallible!! Oh, and a lot more wars!!!
Want some more tasty GOP stew?
lol, McDraino will flush the clog!
I think the Clinton campaign - they are te petty ones.
He’s indicating the smear is petty.
-G
Have fun!
Hillary’s accusation is petty. Not you. Sorry - I expect people to read my mind!
How does a gleaming new high rise condo building become toxic waste? The South Florida Business Journal’s “BankUnited blacklists 191 condo projects” and the Daily Business Review’s“Condo Meltdown” tell us that BankUnited (BKUNA) has virtually eliminated condo lending and Washington Mutual (WM) is severely restricting lending. Apparently the BankUnited’s “confidential” Non-Permissible Condominium Project List and the “confidential” Washington Mutual Eligibility List must have fallen off the truck.
BankUnited included virtually every condo building in Miami: old, recently constructed, and not yet completed. Their list is more interesting because a reason is given for each rejected building. The two most popular reasons are declining market value and high investor concentration. These were followed by the number of foreclosures in a building, delinquent association dues, litigation, and the bank’s current exposure to a particular building. BankUnited cut back on condo lending a few years ago and is shrinking its balance sheet.
Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) also have their own building eligibility lists and guidelines. A condo building must be a least 70% owner-occupied to be considered.
The most troublesome buildings are on every lenders list, whether the list is formal or not. Buyers can still get mortgages from private investors (at double the prevailing interest rate) when they provide a 30% to 50% down payment. Foreign buyers - the life blood of Miami - could need as much as a 70% down payment.
Banks will remain skittish and are requiring very large down payments until prices drop low enough to make them feel secure. While FICO scores influence the mortgage interest, collateral is now the most important approval factor. Warning to developers: this will make it extremely difficult for most buyers to come to close on Miami’s newest buildings.
Disclosure: Author has long positions BKUNA, FRE and WM.
http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-mortgages
(My Bold) ” Buyers can still get mortgages from private investors (at double the prevailing interest rate) when they provide a 30% to 50% down payment. Foreign buyers - the life blood of Miami - could need as much as a 70% down paymen. “
I thought Helicopter Ben was loaning the banks money and dropping interest rates to < <em>em>help the banks provide credit for loans to keep the economy going.
Given what this will do to real estate prices we are so taking Florida. Plus if this pattern spreads to other formerly hot housing markets then we are taking the GOP’s suburban base of white voters who invested in housing.
Used to be everyone in the burbs was going to Home Depot and fixing up their homes . These mostly White Voters were the GOP’s hard core. The Subprime problem is not a minority issue the banks loaned Suburban Speculators with good credit allot more money than they loaned Brown People.
The collapse of Prime loans is next and it won’t be pretty.
Well ,piss on my boot and tell me it’s raining….oh yea, check’s in the mail. You go girl!
I found a blog that showed pictures of acres and acres of commercial real estate in California that is sitting unbought.
If the media were to report the truth, the nation would panic.
-G
Tricks? I leave those to my 17-year-old son Nelson…*g* You and I used to meet at the Lake weekday mornings. Now the shift is at night…FDL overdrive during this election cycle? (*G*)
My own secret: Plenty of water at night a dose of lime slices…
Perris, I live in Santa Rosa–where the bankruptcy story originates. I don’t know who was in court that day: it may well be that some were “smart buyers” who wanted to work the system. I do know, however, that many folks on the losing end in my town are first-time buyers, lower-income families who were working two and three jobs apiece, sometimes several adults in an extended family working/living together in order to own a home. It’s heart-breaking to see certain developments where home after home is being sold/foreclosed, and the value of the remaining homes driven down. Those who are able to stay are sweating blood to keep something worth a lot less than they owe.
It’s not just the well-to-do or the folks taking out seconds on houses they bought on the cheap who are suffering. Not. Even. Close.
I’m not in favor of bailing out lenders for messes they made. But there needs to be a nuanced solution to this problem. Working families are hurting here.
And not what ya type…? *g*
silly rabbit. mortgage tricks are for keeps.
Could we have a side dish of outsourcing and privatization with that, please?
Where you been all day while I’ve been up to my ass in gators? :)
There’s no easy answer here. Lots of foreclosures will dump a lot of homes into the market at one time, which could collapse prices down to an unhealthy level, damaging those people who need to sell their house.
Unfortunately, Suz has contemplated a similar action with her cottage in the Redwoods…!
“Four More Years”
psst Hi Laura!
Bite yer tongue…! 8-P
“Four More Years”
“More for Fears!”
I understand my friend. We suffer the same affliction.
; )
KO Time!
Plagiarism? Well, there was “Yes, we can,” which has now morphed into “Yes, we will” all of a sudden. Hmmm…
President Obama will be riding into town shortly Mr. McCain. It will be high noon soon.
KO is pointing out that it ain’t plagarism if ya cite your source…! ;-)
I expect the GOP to try again to link Brown people with the collapse of realestate prices. Because all those Subprime loans were made to us. (The GOP does not care if their talking points are true after all.)
But by November the Prime Loans if they haven’t collapsed yet they will be about to and the press will be doing stories all about it everyday to prepare America for a TAXPAYER FUNDED bank bailout.
A Prime Loan Collapse story will run counter to the GOP’ talking points though leaving them exposed as racists.
I’m truly surprised that the entire state of CA isn’t in bankruptcy over their real estate values. I don’t see how anyone can expect to buy homes there, at least not the policemen, firemen, teachers, or waiters and waitresses or bartenders. It’s sad. My son lived in San Diego but had to move to Phoenix because he could afford to buy a house here. At the time, he worked for the government as a supervisor for security at the airport. His income was about $50K, and he bought an apx. $200K home here, but he said it would have been well over $500K in SD.
Incidentally, I’ve been through the crap with the predatory lending, but it was all I could get. Luckily, I understood the terms and knew what I had to do. So as soon as my pre-payment penalty was over with, I sought and found sufficient financing that I don’t really feel a need to worry, but I can understand very well how some people have been taken advantage of. I really sympathize.
Oh wait, some of Obama’s words were used by someone else before?! Wow. I’m definitely voting for the DLC candidate, then. Glad I found out!
This site has been scraped clean and sitting fallow outside of Savannah for years.
People are losing their homes. And their jobs. And health care costs have gone through the roof, not to mention gasoline. Our schools are crumbling. And the Republicans offer the prospect of additional war. McCain offers more of the same. I sense the possibility of change in the air.
I been here, man…you saw me on Christy’s thread, remember? I been here. (Ask Richmond if Richmond is still around.) We all got into a spirited discussion about mapmaking and virgins (*g*) in that Christy thread. (You were on that thread.)
Gators? Which ones might those be? Real ones? Metaphorical ones?
Ann, all the affordable housing on the Big Isle is located about 100 miles from the actual job market with the price of a single gallon of gas hovering around $3.50… A 10,000 sq. ft. lot runs $200,000 in Kailua-Kona…!
perris, that’s what they’re doing now.
They always try to sell the houses in foreclosure, because then they get some money out of them. (They’ll do cosmetic fixes, like a coat of paint and a carpet-cleaning, but real repairs they’ll leave to the buyer.)
Some of these folks walking away from residences understood early on that they weren’t buying them, but were leasing.
They paid nothing down and made no progress in paying down the principle.
They were tenants with a temporary title and excellent tax advantages.
Now, of course, I recognize this description doesn’t cover everyone, but you might be surprised as to how many fit ito this category.
SIGH I love Savannah. Tempting me this evening with retirement dreams, are you, Marion? *g*
Texans. Please vote. We love Texas.
If it’s St. McCain it’s all too likely to be Four More Wars…
Something like 60 percent of the people who live in LA are renters. It’s not something they like to talk about in public, because it doesn’t fit the image they want to project.
Olbermann. He da man.
Off -topic: Can anyone tell me how the search function works for this site? I’m trying to do an author search in the FDL search page (looking for a post from a few weeks back) and keep getting squat (zero results). I am signed in. Clearly I’m doing something wrong, but too stupid to figure out what. Help, anyone? Thanks!
Not bad. Not bad at all. ;0)
This is why I feel Phoenix is still in the affordable housing category, as is most of AZ. Flagstaff is a little tougher, but for the most part, that’s why our biggest product here is growth. OTOH, I’ve read that within a decade or so, with climate change, Phoenix won’t be inhabitable anymore. Wish us luck!
Ah… Georgia. ;0)
MSNBC has been awful tonight.
We need to bury John McCain.
I won’t vote for Obama unless he pledges to use all new words in every speech. Note to Obama: “strategery” and “misunderestimate” are already taken!
arg! I meant to thumbs up comments on scarecrow’s FISA digg and i hit thumbs down instead!
Texas is nice but Georgia’s oh so fine.
What was the topic?
I like it. ;0)
We love the Peach State. ;0)
I’ve mentioned this organization before, but this is a particularly germane thread. NACA started in Boston to fight predatory lenders. They’re still going strong. I got my mortgage through them 2-1/2 years ago, (offered at 5%, no closing costs, I paid down points, got a 30-year fixed for 2.125%). If NACA is available in your state please, please, please investigate them. You can refinance a predatory loan.
Hey, #40, you forgot “We’re from the gummint and we’re here to he’p you.” The ultimate Bush double-speak.
Sh*tload of foreclosure listings in our “stable” community.
Lets not forget that Credit is based on the value of the Dollar today. Helicopter Ben’s lowering of interest rates means that the value of any dollar you borrow to stimulate the economy is losing purchasing power tomorrow.
If you don’t get any results after using the first search function, while still on that empty results page, look just below and to the right of the search term box and click on:
“Switch to power search!”
That will allow you to expand your search by topic and author name.
Hope that helps.
Well, I don’t know if you’d want to retire THERE, but there are lots and lots and lots of houses for sale, many of them marked as “reduced.” Wait a year and check back again. You may find bargain basement prices. We’d LOOOOVE to have you down here!
I beg to differ! Altho, I’m tired of the ‘cousin of Darth’ spiel, much of his message needs to hammer home the memes… such as Iraq, the economy, and, ‘change’…! ;-)
Christy,
Marion will lure you in with fresh young asparagi
Dollars…we don’t need no stinking dollars.
CHANGE for the BETTER!
Keith just said that Gore has been speaking to Obama every two weeks…Hmm…
We are striving to make Oklahoma blue. Once again. We love Oklahoma. Our birth place.
Lahoma and okk.
That’s kewl… Any chance to get the edit function back…! *g*
I beg to differ!
I blog to dither.
How true…! *g*
mine too, kiddo
I had to cut a few more of those puppies this evening…! I have no idea what it will be like when it really starts to get warm, plus I’ve expanded the patch and am waiting for 25 more roots from Burpee’s. Is there such a thing as too much asparagus? Nope…!
We took the statement to be snark. The plagiarism thingie. Perhaps we are wrong on this. Aloha my good friend.
Ooh, freshly cut and steamed…! Yum…! ;-)
You are an Oklahoman?
A DNA specific cluster of neuratheniacs has squandered the health, wealth, and heritage of our nation.
Lock’n load.
Or raw (yup, absolutely YUMMY), grilled, sauteed, roasted… Anyhow, anywhere, anywhen…!
I’m wondering what percentage of mortgages the banks actually ‘own’ ?
After all, those many CDO, SIV, and other ‘creative investment vehicles’ were allegedly based on assets.
And! whatever happened to the SEC investigation of ex-Countrywide’s Mozilo? Which started before Countrywide got the $52 billion bailout from the ummm, FHEO, was it?
Born and raised in OKC, but in KS for almost forty years now
Still have relatives there
What the lenders have done with ‘creative financing’ is a sin. A mortal sin. Just ask Dante.
Keith’s amazing…and hilarious!
If you attribute the source of specific lines during your spiel, can ya accuse ‘em of plagarism? I was always taught to cite and attribute…! *g*
We love you.
Lahoma.
re CA real estate. one gets used to paying an inordinate (and unhealthy) proportion of income to the mortgage co. (or whomever they sold the note to). many people feel driven out, eventually opting to cash out and invest their equity gains in less expensive areas. they know it’s a one-way ticket, however.
the new Hotel California: you can check out but you can’t come back.