As Duncan pointed out this morning, bankruptcy hearings just ain’t what they used to be:
"I’ve never seen anything like this before," Jaroslovsky said before the hearing. "I’ve never seen so many people care so little about losing their homes."
Which made me think about this WaPo story from the other day about the creative ways that lenders are tying themselves in knots to get payments on their "creative loans,"about which Tanta at Calculated Risk had this to say:
Spend decades building ever-larger, more consolidated servicing portfolios through mergers, acquisitions, and bulk purchases. Chase marginal improvements in efficiency with automation, out-sourcing and off-shoring. Wall yourselves and your "platforms" off in centralized compounds far from your customers and their local markets, withdraw behind consumer-proof phone menus, worthless web portals, and untrained "customer service representatives." Keep your performance statistics up with aggressive collection practices; keep your operating costs down with robo-calls and impenetrable scripting. Manage yourself quarter-to-quarter with frequent purchases and sales of loan servicing in rapid succession, confusing and alienating your current and former customers, losing track of payments and account numbers, cancelling automated payment provisions at a keystroke, performing three escrow analyses (with three payment increases) in a single year. Hire a subservicer to do the grunt work, adding another layer of impenetrability and forcing even more "cost-cutting" measures to keep the subservicer profitable. Outsource your default servicing and REO management functions to a third party who talks to your own staff via phone menus and searches for ever more creative ways to extract fees from consumers, since you don’t pay much. Encourage an entire cottage industry of hucksters, scammers, and pick-pockets to grow up around you, like fungus, in the name of providing "counseling" or "negotiation" or "foreclosure avoidance" services, assuring that your customers will no longer be able to tell who is legitimate and who isn’t. Demonize community-based homeowner-advocacy services until you need to co-opt them to bolster your own absent credibility.
Eventually you find yourself sending pleas to your customers to return your calls disguised as wedding invitations. You have borrowers who choose the lesser evil of losing their homes in silence rather than the greater evil of trying to deal with you. Your response is to use someone else’s letterhead. This, you think, will make you look trustworthy. After all, most of us already associate deceptively-packaged mailers with the same fast-talking brokers who got us into these loans we don’t understand. But if it worked once, it might work again. What other choice do you have?
And it is getting uglier. Pretty much everywhere.
Welcome to the GOP-fueled economic policy crapfest. Want more? Vote McCain, whose incomprehensive knowledge of economic policy could fit into a teaspoon and still have plenty of room to move about…had enough?




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What a visual Christy; what a tragedy.
That is a sad commentary! We’re in world of sh*t…!
I like the feeble Hope program, 30 days of relief…! Could it be any feebler…?
We need real numbers I doubt the banks even now are giving them to us. I wonder how long before we like England have to Nationalize or otherwise bailout a bank?
Yep, that pretty much summed up in a nutshell where we are. When I was in private practice and walked some of my clients through the hell of a personal bankruptcy, we would work our asses off to find some way for them to keep their houses for their families. If people have reached a point where they don’t even put up a fight? That’s serious desperation.
A good evening to you, Christy…
Kiddo and I are displeased. We will vote for President Obama or President Hillary Clinton.
L.
btw, the “want more” link above? It’s a story about how the homeless in some areas are finding the credit crunch advantageous because it provides more abandoned homes for squatting for the night. I kid you not. What a painful “silver lining,” if you can even call it that for any ofthe people involved…
Evening! How’s tricks?
We support Obama in this house.
AP – Top advisers to Hillary Rodham Clinton accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of plagiarism Monday, the latest effort by her campaign to undermine the Illinois senator’s credibility.
Jeez. And know that there is no movement (or hint of a movement) to actually hold any one accountable. That is what really pisses me off. If there is no trial, no accountability, nothing actually happened.
this makes perfect sense, the lenders gave easy loans, this inflated the housing market and the smart buyer bought on these teaser rates with the full expectation that if the market didn’t continue to expand they would just opt out of the loan and leave the house for the bank to worry about
this is poetic justice and the only thing I don’t want is the industry to get bailed out
let them try to resell the houses on the market for quarters on the dollar
as I have said for a while, most regulations are in place to address issues the industry caused, they wouldn’t pay their own bills and we needed to regulate the industry so they do pay their bills
it’s because of the industry housing prices inflated and they need to pay the price of reconciliation
this would be a good thing too, we need to flood the market with unbought homes in order to bring prices back down to where they belong
Damn it Hillary.
Just follow the money. That always works.
I saw a statistic yesterday stating that California leads the nation in foreclosure rates, a staggering 187%…
My local paper trumpeted this; “Island real estate market sags…,” this morn…! 8-(
He was talking strategy with his friend the Gov of Mass was faced with the same type of critique that he “spoke too well.”
And it is getting uglier. Pretty much everywhere.
This situation calls for less regulation, lower taxes and, obviously, more cowbell.
Hillary R. Clinton has taken off the gloves. Okay… Clinton.
Yes, but we need court cases after that. So far it is just, well it was legal….
here’s an example of why some people don’t care if they go into forclosure;
suppose a family bought a house for 60,000 dollars
as the market expanded the house became worth about 1/4 million and this was fair according to the economy
then the subrime mortgages caused a shortage of houseing and this 1/4 million dollar house started selling for 1/2 to 3/4 million dollars
why WOULDN’T a person take out a loan for that 3/4 million at the teaser rate?
then, if the market crashed, they could just let the bank take over the house and bing, they earned 1/2 million dollars by letting the bank forclose
this is good bussiness as far as I am concerned and I think the banks should be left trying to resell the house
That’s just petty. Plus the guy doesn’t write his own speeches.
D’oh! Obviously…! ;-)
30 years of conservative government. The triumph of the swill.
-G
Good one…
I am no economist, and I don’t know the best way to deal with the current housing credit crisis, but it would be wrong to bail out these unscrupulous actors who have brought us to this point.
“Welcome to the GOP-fueled economic policy crapfest. Want more?”
Stop circling the bowl and take the plunge…vote McDrain.
.
Interesting…In Minneapolis this winter, fewer people than usual are showing up at night for the routine 6 PM check-in at homeless shelters, which has those running them a little baffled. I guess this explains it. I hadn’t even thought of that. Talk about irony…
it would actually hurt to bail them out
they need to forclose and resell the homes they loaned against, that would lower the price of houseing to the level it’s supposed to be
Who are you indicating is petty? I’m not clear on this.
off on a date, see all later
Also, I was over at Sadly,No! and their in house troll was spouting some wretched bile about Sen. Obama.
‘Comes from a long line of Muslims in Africa who were a bunch of slave traders’.
Notice that it is seen as a pejorative to be related to slave traders from Africa.
Yet these are often the same assholes that are proud of their Confederate history.
As I said, the conservatives have a talent for creating their own realities at such a furious pace that it is too exhausting to keep up with them.
-G
Tax Cuts! No Regulation! Financial meltdowns! No Unions! The Free Market is Infallible!! Oh, and a lot more wars!!!
Want some more tasty GOP stew?
lol, McDraino will flush the clog!
I think the Clinton campaign – they are te petty ones.
He’s indicating the smear is petty.
-G
Have fun!
Hillary’s accusation is petty. Not you. Sorry – I expect people to read my mind!
How does a gleaming new high rise condo building become toxic waste? The South Florida Business Journal’s “BankUnited blacklists 191 condo projects” and the Daily Business Review’s“Condo Meltdown” tell us that BankUnited (BKUNA) has virtually eliminated condo lending and Washington Mutual (WM) is severely restricting lending. Apparently the BankUnited’s “confidential” Non-Permissible Condominium Project List and the “confidential” Washington Mutual Eligibility List must have fallen off the truck.
BankUnited included virtually every condo building in Miami: old, recently constructed, and not yet completed. Their list is more interesting because a reason is given for each rejected building. The two most popular reasons are declining market value and high investor concentration. These were followed by the number of foreclosures in a building, delinquent association dues, litigation, and the bank’s current exposure to a particular building. BankUnited cut back on condo lending a few years ago and is shrinking its balance sheet.
Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) also have their own building eligibility lists and guidelines. A condo building must be a least 70% owner-occupied to be considered.
The most troublesome buildings are on every lenders list, whether the list is formal or not. Buyers can still get mortgages from private investors (at double the prevailing interest rate) when they provide a 30% to 50% down payment. Foreign buyers – the life blood of Miami – could need as much as a 70% down payment.
Banks will remain skittish and are requiring very large down payments until prices drop low enough to make them feel secure. While FICO scores influence the mortgage interest, collateral is now the most important approval factor. Warning to developers: this will make it extremely difficult for most buyers to come to close on Miami’s newest buildings.
Disclosure: Author has long positions BKUNA, FRE and WM.
http://seekingalpha.com/articl…..-mortgages
(My Bold) ” Buyers can still get mortgages from private investors (at double the prevailing interest rate) when they provide a 30% to 50% down payment. Foreign buyers – the life blood of Miami – could need as much as a 70% down paymen. “
I thought Helicopter Ben was loaning the banks money and dropping interest rates to < <em>em>help the banks provide credit for loans to keep the economy going.
Given what this will do to real estate prices we are so taking Florida. Plus if this pattern spreads to other formerly hot housing markets then we are taking the GOP’s suburban base of white voters who invested in housing.
Used to be everyone in the burbs was going to Home Depot and fixing up their homes . These mostly White Voters were the GOP’s hard core. The Subprime problem is not a minority issue the banks loaned Suburban Speculators with good credit allot more money than they loaned Brown People.
The collapse of Prime loans is next and it won’t be pretty.
Well ,piss on my boot and tell me it’s raining….oh yea, check’s in the mail. You go girl!
I found a blog that showed pictures of acres and acres of commercial real estate in California that is sitting unbought.
If the media were to report the truth, the nation would panic.
-G
Tricks? I leave those to my 17-year-old son Nelson…*g* You and I used to meet at the Lake weekday mornings. Now the shift is at night…FDL overdrive during this election cycle? (*G*)
My own secret: Plenty of water at night a dose of lime slices…
Perris, I live in Santa Rosa–where the bankruptcy story originates. I don’t know who was in court that day: it may well be that some were “smart buyers” who wanted to work the system. I do know, however, that many folks on the losing end in my town are first-time buyers, lower-income families who were working two and three jobs apiece, sometimes several adults in an extended family working/living together in order to own a home. It’s heart-breaking to see certain developments where home after home is being sold/foreclosed, and the value of the remaining homes driven down. Those who are able to stay are sweating blood to keep something worth a lot less than they owe.
It’s not just the well-to-do or the folks taking out seconds on houses they bought on the cheap who are suffering. Not. Even. Close.
I’m not in favor of bailing out lenders for messes they made. But there needs to be a nuanced solution to this problem. Working families are hurting here.
And not what ya type…? *g*
silly rabbit. mortgage tricks are for keeps.
Could we have a side dish of outsourcing and privatization with that, please?
Where you been all day while I’ve been up to my ass in gators? :)
There’s no easy answer here. Lots of foreclosures will dump a lot of homes into the market at one time, which could collapse prices down to an unhealthy level, damaging those people who need to sell their house.
Unfortunately, Suz has contemplated a similar action with her cottage in the Redwoods…!
“Four More Years”
psst Hi Laura!
Bite yer tongue…! 8-P
“Four More Years”
“More for Fears!”
I understand my friend. We suffer the same affliction.
; )
KO Time!
Plagiarism? Well, there was “Yes, we can,” which has now morphed into “Yes, we will” all of a sudden. Hmmm…
President Obama will be riding into town shortly Mr. McCain. It will be high noon soon.
KO is pointing out that it ain’t plagarism if ya cite your source…! ;-)
I expect the GOP to try again to link Brown people with the collapse of realestate prices. Because all those Subprime loans were made to us. (The GOP does not care if their talking points are true after all.)
But by November the Prime Loans if they haven’t collapsed yet they will be about to and the press will be doing stories all about it everyday to prepare America for a TAXPAYER FUNDED bank bailout.
A Prime Loan Collapse story will run counter to the GOP’ talking points though leaving them exposed as racists.
I’m truly surprised that the entire state of CA isn’t in bankruptcy over their real estate values. I don’t see how anyone can expect to buy homes there, at least not the policemen, firemen, teachers, or waiters and waitresses or bartenders. It’s sad. My son lived in San Diego but had to move to Phoenix because he could afford to buy a house here. At the time, he worked for the government as a supervisor for security at the airport. His income was about $50K, and he bought an apx. $200K home here, but he said it would have been well over $500K in SD.
Incidentally, I’ve been through the crap with the predatory lending, but it was all I could get. Luckily, I understood the terms and knew what I had to do. So as soon as my pre-payment penalty was over with, I sought and found sufficient financing that I don’t really feel a need to worry, but I can understand very well how some people have been taken advantage of. I really sympathize.
Oh wait, some of Obama’s words were used by someone else before?! Wow. I’m definitely voting for the DLC candidate, then. Glad I found out!
This site has been scraped clean and sitting fallow outside of Savannah for years.
People are losing their homes. And their jobs. And health care costs have gone through the roof, not to mention gasoline. Our schools are crumbling. And the Republicans offer the prospect of additional war. McCain offers more of the same. I sense the possibility of change in the air.
I been here, man…you saw me on Christy’s thread, remember? I been here. (Ask Richmond if Richmond is still around.) We all got into a spirited discussion about mapmaking and virgins (*g*) in that Christy thread. (You were on that thread.)
Gators? Which ones might those be? Real ones? Metaphorical ones?
Ann, all the affordable housing on the Big Isle is located about 100 miles from the actual job market with the price of a single gallon of gas hovering around $3.50… A 10,000 sq. ft. lot runs $200,000 in Kailua-Kona…!
perris, that’s what they’re doing now.
They always try to sell the houses in foreclosure, because then they get some money out of them. (They’ll do cosmetic fixes, like a coat of paint and a carpet-cleaning, but real repairs they’ll leave to the buyer.)
Some of these folks walking away from residences understood early on that they weren’t buying them, but were leasing.
They paid nothing down and made no progress in paying down the principle.
They were tenants with a temporary title and excellent tax advantages.
Now, of course, I recognize this description doesn’t cover everyone, but you might be surprised as to how many fit ito this category.
SIGH I love Savannah. Tempting me this evening with retirement dreams, are you, Marion? *g*
Texans. Please vote. We love Texas.
If it’s St. McCain it’s all too likely to be Four More Wars…
Something like 60 percent of the people who live in LA are renters. It’s not something they like to talk about in public, because it doesn’t fit the image they want to project.
Olbermann. He da man.
Off -topic: Can anyone tell me how the search function works for this site? I’m trying to do an author search in the FDL search page (looking for a post from a few weeks back) and keep getting squat (zero results). I am signed in. Clearly I’m doing something wrong, but too stupid to figure out what. Help, anyone? Thanks!
Not bad. Not bad at all. ;0)
This is why I feel Phoenix is still in the affordable housing category, as is most of AZ. Flagstaff is a little tougher, but for the most part, that’s why our biggest product here is growth. OTOH, I’ve read that within a decade or so, with climate change, Phoenix won’t be inhabitable anymore. Wish us luck!
Ah… Georgia. ;0)
MSNBC has been awful tonight.
We need to bury John McCain.
I won’t vote for Obama unless he pledges to use all new words in every speech. Note to Obama: “strategery” and “misunderestimate” are already taken!
arg! I meant to thumbs up comments on scarecrow’s FISA digg and i hit thumbs down instead!
Texas is nice but Georgia’s oh so fine.
What was the topic?
I like it. ;0)
We love the Peach State. ;0)
I’ve mentioned this organization before, but this is a particularly germane thread. NACA started in Boston to fight predatory lenders. They’re still going strong. I got my mortgage through them 2-1/2 years ago, (offered at 5%, no closing costs, I paid down points, got a 30-year fixed for 2.125%). If NACA is available in your state please, please, please investigate them. You can refinance a predatory loan.
Hey, #40, you forgot “We’re from the gummint and we’re here to he’p you.” The ultimate Bush double-speak.
Sh*tload of foreclosure listings in our “stable” community.
Lets not forget that Credit is based on the value of the Dollar today. Helicopter Ben’s lowering of interest rates means that the value of any dollar you borrow to stimulate the economy is losing purchasing power tomorrow.
If you don’t get any results after using the first search function, while still on that empty results page, look just below and to the right of the search term box and click on:
“Switch to power search!”
That will allow you to expand your search by topic and author name.
Hope that helps.
Well, I don’t know if you’d want to retire THERE, but there are lots and lots and lots of houses for sale, many of them marked as “reduced.” Wait a year and check back again. You may find bargain basement prices. We’d LOOOOVE to have you down here!
I beg to differ! Altho, I’m tired of the ‘cousin of Darth’ spiel, much of his message needs to hammer home the memes… such as Iraq, the economy, and, ‘change’…! ;-)
Christy,
Marion will lure you in with fresh young asparagi
Dollars…we don’t need no stinking dollars.
CHANGE for the BETTER!
Keith just said that Gore has been speaking to Obama every two weeks…Hmm…
We are striving to make Oklahoma blue. Once again. We love Oklahoma. Our birth place.
Lahoma and okk.
That’s kewl… Any chance to get the edit function back…! *g*
I beg to differ!
I blog to dither.
How true…! *g*
mine too, kiddo
I had to cut a few more of those puppies this evening…! I have no idea what it will be like when it really starts to get warm, plus I’ve expanded the patch and am waiting for 25 more roots from Burpee’s. Is there such a thing as too much asparagus? Nope…!
We took the statement to be snark. The plagiarism thingie. Perhaps we are wrong on this. Aloha my good friend.
Ooh, freshly cut and steamed…! Yum…! ;-)
You are an Oklahoman?
A DNA specific cluster of neuratheniacs has squandered the health, wealth, and heritage of our nation.
Lock’n load.
Or raw (yup, absolutely YUMMY), grilled, sauteed, roasted… Anyhow, anywhere, anywhen…!
I’m wondering what percentage of mortgages the banks actually ‘own’ ?
After all, those many CDO, SIV, and other ‘creative investment vehicles’ were allegedly based on assets.
And! whatever happened to the SEC investigation of ex-Countrywide’s Mozilo? Which started before Countrywide got the $52 billion bailout from the ummm, FHEO, was it?
Born and raised in OKC, but in KS for almost forty years now
Still have relatives there
What the lenders have done with ‘creative financing’ is a sin. A mortal sin. Just ask Dante.
Keith’s amazing…and hilarious!
If you attribute the source of specific lines during your spiel, can ya accuse ‘em of plagarism? I was always taught to cite and attribute…! *g*
We love you.
Lahoma.
re CA real estate. one gets used to paying an inordinate (and unhealthy) proportion of income to the mortgage co. (or whomever they sold the note to). many people feel driven out, eventually opting to cash out and invest their equity gains in less expensive areas. they know it’s a one-way ticket, however.
the new Hotel California: you can check out but you can’t come back.
the feeling is mutual :)
I agree, and I think people look forward to renting. They are tired of most all of their income going for the house payment. They are exhausted from trying to keep up.
I wish you would digg this blogger
that’s really really reaching and doesn’t even get anywhere near close, but
I got the link in anyway ;)
Cool Snark! Depleted Uranium Coins, Martial Law, in greed we trust. With examples like this popping up all the time my humor writing has gotten so much better.
Lahoma and think you are completely correct on this matter. ;0)
kiddo
You missed this this morning from nomolos:
Click Preview after your comment…Comment will appear as will be when posted. Then edit in box and post. You get to edit before you post, but not after. As they say, “Preview is your friend.”
Interesting question. I wonder if there’s any way to find out…? I know I write my mortgage check to a bank, but it’s entirely possible that my loan has been put into a tranche (slide show, very instructive to me) and sold off piecemeal to heaven only knows who…
Love it.
Bush’s Brain author talking about McCain and W campaigning together referring to “Bush’s Stink.”
Yep.
Bustednuckles wrote about one of the President’s recent speeches:
http://ornerybastard.blogspot……-king.html
Over the top as always, but sadly relevant.
Yes’m, that mantra is firmly entrenched! I usually only regret the submit part…! 8-)
Marketwatch columnists saying that now that subprime’s gone bust, beware bankers offering creative deposit products. If the interest rate sounds to good to be true, it probably is…and FDIC insured? Maybe, maybe not. It pays to ask, read the fine print, ask again. Don’t get duped.
Didn’t the banks and lenders have something to do with the “Great Depression”?
I had been a renter, happily, all my life until the “boom” came to Savannah and all of a sudden all rental property (apartments, condos, houses) went through the freaking roof. I bought the house after my 5th rental in 16 years was sold out from under me, so I guess it depends on what the market is. Oddly enough, even with all the unsold houses in Savannah, there’s still not much of a rental market. A friend of mine is looking to come back to Savannah and wants to rent for a year or two until she finds a place she really loves before she buys and she’s being pressured by real estate agents to buy at the pre-bust prices. Rent in Savannah? Not so much.
just a hint of sulfur?
The town of Bend, Oregon is a destination resort and it doesn’t look good here. There is a lot of commercial building but new housing is way down, except for high end homes, that part of the population is filthy with cash, at the present moment at least. I am an excavator by trade and my work is drying up, and a friend of mine, a finish carpenter, was over today and is running short of work…..so it begins in my neck of the woods.
I know the Answer to the credit crunch Nationalize all the Saudi Money, Stocks, Bonds, Real Estate etc in this country and use it to back the dollar, by paying down the National debt. All we have to do is declare Saudi Arabia a country that supports terrorism and seize ALL THEIR ASSETS !
“Available loose credit”. Don’t you just love that?
I rent, the problem is my wages. I’m working full time and i still pay more than a third of my monthly earnings towards rent. Rent that i KNOW will go up again, because local cost of living keeps increasing! Meanwhile my wages stay right where they are, in the gutter. I’m job hunting for someone that will pay me more, but we’ll see how that goes…
LOL
but I was thinking along the lines of the unwelcome skunk at the picnic. At least that’s the image that came to me. Jim Moore was the guy who said it on Countdown.
now I’m just picturing chasin’ after an available loose chicken.
Just saw a couple headlines at HuffPo that are amazing: Bush thinks war in Iraq has nothing to do with economy. It’s worse/more delusional than we thought, pups.
And how long has Taylor Marsh been on the Clinton payroll? Does she disclose? That’s the tactic that was used against Daschle in South Dakota. Wonder if that’s a reason why he endorsed Obama?
Here’s a shocker for ya (and me!)…
http://pressherald.mainetoday……8;ac=PHnws
My childhood friend, Rhonda, has done the unthinkable to pay down some of her credit cards. She’s facing the Feds now. Glad I severed our relationship back in 8th grade….26 years ago! LOL
WPITW
Bronze- Glenn Beck- Ugly woman must be a progressive- double trouble
Silver- Heritage Foundation re the FISA countdown to terror clock
GOLD- W- fear fear fear re FISA being killed . . . .
even though we know it won’t make a diff. FISA is OK as is.
Right after:
CACI, Titan, Bechtel, Aegis Defense, Services, Custer Battles, General Dynamics, Nour USA Ltd., Chevron, ExxonMobil and the Petro-imperialists.
Whatever happened to the phrase ‘loan sharking’? Silly me. That practice became legal.
This land bank idea sounds interesting for cities and towns that have suffered a lot of foreclosures. Paired with well-run programs for rental now and disposition later, it might even be able to stop at least some of the bulldozers that certain folks are always so excited to see rumbling through other folks’ neighborhoods.
Sooner or later, Congress is going to realize they have to revisit that awful bankruptcy bill, I suspect. It makes them look too much like they cuddanode.
We own our house and are thankful to not have a mortgage. After having moved annually for years, we have no plans to move from this place. It really doesn’t matter what the value of the thing becomes- upside or down. It’s just home.
Heh, the Heritage Foundation’s countdown clock of PAA’s expiration won silver, tonite! Hmmm… Is it Tuesday already? ;-)
i hate to keep doing this…. but isn’t a great deal of our current problems due to the banking deregulation – of the clinton presidency?
I guess Bush has a good argument. The war has created deficit spending which is usually a stimulus to the economy..
…and after all, he has a history of breaking it!
Ya think? /snark
What goods or services are provided by Bush’s war spending? Hmmm? Higher gas prices a falling dollar as we pay for the war on credit. Higher food prices as farmers grow corn for fuel instead of growing corn or wheat.
An economic collapse, a drop in real wages,
Yessss! they all must pay!
Subprime reaches beyond the borders and bankrupts a major UK bank, according to another MarketWatch piece. I don’t understand bigtime economics, but the likelihood of pensions being wiped out for shareholders in this bank is foreboding. What neoconomics has wrought?
We’re lucky too with a conventional 15 year mortgage and having put down a large amount. We pay our credit card bills in full when they come. But then we both have decent jobs—though spouse retires in one month and 12 days. Grateful to not have dug myself into a hole with school loans etc. Knock wood that we stay healthy.
Any one of us could be one major illness away from financial disaster whether we have good insurance or not.
’05’s Bankruptcy bill and Shrub’s defunding/elimination of oversight entities has contributed mightily, too…
Yep deals were made with Newt so Bill could get what he wanted.
I generally try to keep away from discussions of other blogs – but a quick visit has made me very grateful that FDL is not endorsing any particular candidate.
Well stated my friend.
the reason i’m being such an asshole (and sinking to parroting the Rs – “it’s clinton’s fault”) is that in this case, i do think clinton’s neoliberal policies have a lot to do with where we are today.
and i’m really pissed off at myself, because i didn’t work to hold him accountable while he was president – in fact i didn’t even know a small fraction of the shit he was doing… the bs “scandals” of whitewater, monica et al. were all i saw.
and i don’t want to fall into that trap again. it’s not enough to hold the Rs accountable. i want to hold the Ds accountable too.
What ever happened to the word “usury?” As I recall that used to be illegal…
Gruesome spats have erupted on most of the ‘Progressive’ sites, eh? ;-)
Some flak visible on the “Obama lifted his speeches front”. Glad to see a bit of a crisis. Want to see how he handles it before he gains total control of the nomination. Ain’t nothin compared to what he’ll get from the goopers.
Including the beef for the table.
At least some of these people, both the knowing and the less so, might also have thought that they would be blessed by the endless miracle of price appreciation, allowing them to roll over their loans until … whatever.
Thing is, according to some that kind of underwriting, in which the borrower is known to be able to afford to complete the loan only by selling the house, is one definition of predatory lending. Whatever the borrower knew or intended, a reputable lender knowing the income realities should not have made the loan. Those who nonetheless did make large numbers of those loans should get a large portion of the pain, imo.
Hi Marion…
hard to see how even that would have gotten us where we are without the clinton’s banking deregulation.
yeppers.
But we didn’t have this network and these tools back when Bill was doing the dirty deeds.
Accountability and oversight are us. Glad we have one another.
just immoral. Probably not illegal. At least not lately.
Selise your great don’t worry if anything your comment shows us the danger of Bipartisanship Bill Clinton’s Deals with Newt are now exploding in our face.
((((selise))))
ur not an asshole :)
I’m glad you speak your mind and I might add that I appreciate your pointedness :)
Entirely possible. And let’s not forget that St. McCain was up to his neck in the S&L scandal and bail-out.
What banking deregulation did Clinton do- and how did that lead to this.
The religious right got bought off by the GOP.
I seem to have broke PDFs on my system.
Is this PDF on The Strategic Corporate Initiative any good?
The report was written by the Center for Corporate Policy.
Charlie Cray, the one who wrote “The 10 Most Brazen War Profiteers“, is director of the Center for Corporate Policy.
Regulations in place but with no oversight nor enforcement might as well be deregulation. Consider how the SEC gave the OK to Enron (and Arthur Andersen).
There was a link I posted about last July a Credit Suisse chart, indicating Fannie and Freddie had their hands in the subprime cookie jar a bit. And things like the Florida state government fund were never supposed to be involved in risky investments.
On the lighter side. Someone should start a web page providing the addresses of the forclosed houses. That way one could plan a trip and not have to use motels.LOL
The Senate in a 54-44 vote approved S. 900, the Financial Services Modernization Bill. It doesn’t include consumer privacy provisions and weakens the Community Reinvestment Act. It permits limited state regulation of banks that sell insurance, while allows the Treasury Department to maintain oversight of banks that deal in securities.
The House in a 343-86 vote approved H.R. 10, the Financial Services Act of 1999. It allows customers to opt out of information-sharing activities between their financial institution and thrid parties. It permits limited state regulation of banks that sells insurance, and it penalizes banks out of compliance with the CRA.
President Clinton signed the legislation in December 1999.
Here is a re-regulation bill Clinton signed- but it doesn’t have much to do with the present crisis that I can see. It’s connected with a trend to allow banks and other finanicial services businesses to engage in one another’s businesses- with appropriate regulation.
The credit card company’s have offices in states that have no usury law, is that correct.
selise
You are as far from an asshole as anyone can get. You set a great example in my book. I learn from you and I have A LOT of respect for what you do.
repeal of the Glass-Steagall act of 1933 (among other things). here’s kuttner on it:
You’ll get a letter if your loan has been sold. Doubt it though, Marion. YOU HAVE 2 1/2%!!!
Best wishes on that, alias. Everything is just completely screwed up after 7 years of republicans, isn’t it. Hugs.
LOL! He took two words from his buddy’s speech “Just words”. With permission!
Or is Hillary asserting that the speech was plagiarised because he cited well-known phrases from the Declaration of Independence, FDR’s Speech after the attack on Pearl Harbor, and “I’ve got a dream”?
Someone should tell Senator Clinton THAT’s precisely the point! These “words” are powerful, they are evocative and they carry IDEAS! You don’t need to have anyone credit the authors.
Maybe if her scriptwriters were a bit more skilled she would be credited with having some “timeless” turn of phrase as well.
Let’s just hope it isn’t something like “Axis of Evil”.
I happen to be starting that chapter in The Roaring Nineties; it will be interesting to see what Stiglitz says.
One thing, though, it’s never been clear to me that the restructuring of the mortgage lending process that allowed much of the bubble lending to take place, which occured from the mid-90s till about 2003, depended on those deregulatory changes, even the Glass-Steagall repeal. That is partly because other laws which remained on the books or, like HOEPA, were enacted during the Clinton years, empowered the Fed and other agencies to supervise lending and sanction predatory lenders. Chairman Guess-who declined to do so even after things got demonstrably ugly in the early 00s.
Also, much of the risk-shifting through creation of mortgage securities (who owns my loan, again?) came about as a result of new pathways carved through existing laws. There are a few scant anecdotes out of the 1980s crisis from which one could surmise that some of those players were drifting over to the head of the mortgage broker/warehouse lender/securitizer model chain that has done so much to bring us to the present day as early as 1990. It would be a nice job to flush those stories out somehow.
i think that is the bill that repealed much of the Glass-Steagall Act
The new things coming out from the Goopers are
a) Obama was born a Muslim, once Muslim always a Muslim.
b) Obama fits all the signs of the anti-Christ. They recommend that you read the entire “Left Behind” ouevre (rather than Scripture)…then you’ll see!
c) Obama will pull us out of Iraq…ergo the “terrorists win”.
Asset securitization got started in 1970.
would love to have an update from you after you finish the chapter. i haven’t read “the roaring nineties”, but i’ve heard stigliz speak on it (by podcast). he ripped the clinton administration to ribbons for an hour, and at the end said something like: as all my students know, at the end of the term, i grade on a curve. so, in looking at what economic policies came before and after clinton, i have to give his administration an “A”.
not making the argument that clinton started it… just that his administration’s actions have done their part to get us where we are. that’s not say that most of the Rs weren’t worse.
Sure. From what I’ve read so far, I’d say the book is excellent pre-campaign season reading. I’ve got some other material here on the origin of the current unpleasantness. Will try to get something up somewhere by the end of the week.
p.s. thank you tw3k, millineryman et al. for your patience with me. much appreciated.
thank you!
and since i seem to be on a roll asking for favors…. if i’m not around when you’re going to post it, i’d love a heads up via an email (at gmail dot com). really don’t want to miss it!
my “to read” list is pretty long and getting longer, but maybe i should consider bumping some stiglitz to near the top.
Off-topic re: search function
Thanks for the reply. I guess I should be more specific – I’m trying to do a search by author. I can’t get the author search function to work. I would think by clicking on an authors name in the drop down menu (and specifying a date range) you’d get all that author’s posts in the results. Still no luck. Any other ideas? Thanks
Hi – I was trying to do a search by author, couldn’t get it to work. Anyway, I’m looking for that post Ian Welsh wrote recently about libertarianism. I’m sure someone will be kind enough to post the link for me, but I’d also like to know how to make the author search function work. Thanks.
The mortgage trading has offered bankruptcy trustees an interesting kind of litigation. Many of the mortgages and notes have been traded often and quickly. The back office function is performed by the people Tanta describes in the quote in the main post. The relief stay motions discussed in the post are pro forma, unless there is an objection. So trustees are starting to object on the ground that the moving party cannot prove that it is the noteholder. Many of the movants cannot find the original note with proper endorsements. If they cannot, they don’t get to foreclose on the property, and in addition, they do not get any money when the Trustee sells the property, because they cannot prove they are actually creditors.
Is this the post you were looking for?
http://firedoglake.com/2008/02…..our-money/
I typed libertarian into the advance search term and then used the drop down for Ian.
“fit into a teaspoon”
More like a BB rolling around in a boxcar.
Same as RGB, seems it needs a key word.
Yes, that’s the one. Thanks RGB and tw3k! OK, I guess what I was doing wrong was trying the author name alone, and when that didn’t work, combining the drop down name menu with the drop down subject/topic menu. Thanks again for the help!
Thank you. I learned something as well. :~)
John Edwards for President — Leadership, not plagiarism
Yeah yeah, I know he’s suspended his campaign. But, I just have a hard time listening to either Clinton or Obama for more than about 15 seconds. Can you imagine listening to either of them for 4 years?
Interesting developments here in S. Florida. I’ve been searching for bank-owned properties while sitting on a pile of cash. Banks are so desperate to get rid of these properties that prices have been slashed as much as 40% or more. Last week I found a new wrinkle. Visit some home builders. They are saddled with piles of unsold new homes, and yes, you can bargain prices down as much as 40% or more.
Well, I found a nice bank-owned foreclosure, but it’s taking forever to get a closing date, and I’m paying cash! Now if I can only sell my present abode….