Comments on: What’s Up With Wisconsin? http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:50:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: biewerda http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1280788 biewerda Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:39:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1280788 <p>I don’t get it. What does ANYONE know about Obama??? In my opinion, be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Before anyone jumps on his bandwagon, ask yourself IF he offers solutions for your particular situation. Jobs? No one has created more jobs more than Bill Clinton, and Hillary has promised the same. College money? Child care help? Perscriptions? NAFTA? She SAID it needs a major overhaul. The war? She said she will bring the troops home, in a timely manner, so as not to leave Iraq in caos. This is COMMON SENSE!<br /> Point to Ponder: A few years ago, on C-SPAN, it was stated, 80% on all the networks are owned by a Republican. THINK NOW! If you were a CEO of one of those networks, WHO WOULD YOU PROMOTE of your opponent’s party when you air the news, the weakest? Or the strongest? Answer this: How many KNOWN Democrats report the news? If you were the CEO of one on those networks, you promote the weakest, because next summer, when the dirty ads come out, the Republicans are going to come out with both “barrels”!<br /> If you think the sparring between Obama and Hillary, has been terrible, hold on to your boots, the mud is going to get very deep!<br /> Anyone who supports Obama, better start demanding the real story of his past. No one is lily-white, neither is Obama.<br /> One of my fears, is he will create ANOTHER war,,,, if Africa! WHAT IS HIS STANDS N ALL THE ISSUES, NOT JUST THE ISSUES YOU HEAR ON CNN!<br /> We are heading for some critical times, and I, personally, want (need) a veteran at the political scene. And Hillary has Bill. We need all the hands on we can muster, ASAP!</p> <p>Karleen</p> I don’t get it. What does ANYONE know about Obama??? In my opinion, be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Before anyone jumps on his bandwagon, ask yourself IF he offers solutions for your particular situation. Jobs? No one has created more jobs more than Bill Clinton, and Hillary has promised the same. College money? Child care help? Perscriptions? NAFTA? She SAID it needs a major overhaul. The war? She said she will bring the troops home, in a timely manner, so as not to leave Iraq in caos. This is COMMON SENSE!
Point to Ponder: A few years ago, on C-SPAN, it was stated, 80% on all the networks are owned by a Republican. THINK NOW! If you were a CEO of one of those networks, WHO WOULD YOU PROMOTE of your opponent’s party when you air the news, the weakest? Or the strongest? Answer this: How many KNOWN Democrats report the news? If you were the CEO of one on those networks, you promote the weakest, because next summer, when the dirty ads come out, the Republicans are going to come out with both “barrels”!
If you think the sparring between Obama and Hillary, has been terrible, hold on to your boots, the mud is going to get very deep!
Anyone who supports Obama, better start demanding the real story of his past. No one is lily-white, neither is Obama.
One of my fears, is he will create ANOTHER war,,,, if Africa! WHAT IS HIS STANDS N ALL THE ISSUES, NOT JUST THE ISSUES YOU HEAR ON CNN!
We are heading for some critical times, and I, personally, want (need) a veteran at the political scene. And Hillary has Bill. We need all the hands on we can muster, ASAP!

Karleen

]]> By: ChrisO http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1280180 ChrisO Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:59:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1280180 <p>Richmond, that Kos link was worthless. I see a lot of straw man arguments coming from Obama supporters usually based on claims that Hillary says this or demands that. First, I haven’t seen where the Clinton campaign has insisted that Chelsea can’t be criticized. So posting a poll and a diary about it is just silly. I also note that the diarist quotes Chelsea responding to someone who ”asked about her mother’s vote on Iraq.” Then read the link, and you’ll see the student was actually asking was “Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” Hardly as simple as ”asking her about her vote.” It was clearly a hostile and provocative comment, and extrapolating Chelsea’s response as a comment directed at anyone who was against the war is intellectually dishonest. What a waste of time.</p> Richmond, that Kos link was worthless. I see a lot of straw man arguments coming from Obama supporters usually based on claims that Hillary says this or demands that. First, I haven’t seen where the Clinton campaign has insisted that Chelsea can’t be criticized. So posting a poll and a diary about it is just silly. I also note that the diarist quotes Chelsea responding to someone who ”asked about her mother’s vote on Iraq.” Then read the link, and you’ll see the student was actually asking was “Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” Hardly as simple as ”asking her about her vote.” It was clearly a hostile and provocative comment, and extrapolating Chelsea’s response as a comment directed at anyone who was against the war is intellectually dishonest. What a waste of time.

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279360 peony Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:59:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279360 <p>boobiecheck, thanks for posting the link. I just read it…chilling.</p> boobiecheck, thanks for posting the link. I just read it…chilling.

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279320 peony Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:42:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279320 <p>Troubling though is retired General McPeak, who backed Indonesia’s occupation of East Timor, and Dennis Ross, on Obama’s side.</p> Troubling though is retired General McPeak, who backed Indonesia’s occupation of East Timor, and Dennis Ross, on Obama’s side.

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279306 peony Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:33:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279306 <p>Many people here may be well aware of the differences between Senator Clinton and Barack Obama regarding foreign policy, but I found this article clarifying those differences by examining and contrasting the advisors of the two campaigns. Here’s an example that isn’t mentioned as much as their respective positions on Iraq: </p> <p>“While Obama advisors Susan Rice and Samantha Power have stressed the importance of U.S. multilateral engagement, [former Secretary of State Madeleine] Albright allies herself with the jingoism of the Bush administration, taking the attitude that “If we have to use force, it is because we are America! We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall, and we see further into the future.”</p> <p><a href="http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940" rel="nofollow">http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940</a></p> Many people here may be well aware of the differences between Senator Clinton and Barack Obama regarding foreign policy, but I found this article clarifying those differences by examining and contrasting the advisors of the two campaigns. Here’s an example that isn’t mentioned as much as their respective positions on Iraq:

“While Obama advisors Susan Rice and Samantha Power have stressed the importance of U.S. multilateral engagement, [former Secretary of State Madeleine] Albright allies herself with the jingoism of the Bush administration, taking the attitude that “If we have to use force, it is because we are America! We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall, and we see further into the future.”

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940

]]> By: theresa43 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279272 theresa43 Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:10:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279272 <p>The crazy thing is Any democrat nominee will be the agent of change. If that is BO’s only claim to fame, in addition to his oratory and adacity of hope promises, I pick Hillary. BTW, what on earth was wrong with the political accomplishments in the 90s under Bill Clinton. People forget and get taken into this vast “fairytale” that Obama can do all things and be all things. I know your posts are totally for Obama and and against Hillary — but give her a break with all your negativity.</p> The crazy thing is Any democrat nominee will be the agent of change. If that is BO’s only claim to fame, in addition to his oratory and adacity of hope promises, I pick Hillary. BTW, what on earth was wrong with the political accomplishments in the 90s under Bill Clinton. People forget and get taken into this vast “fairytale” that Obama can do all things and be all things. I know your posts are totally for Obama and and against Hillary — but give her a break with all your negativity.

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279243 tanbark Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:56:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279243 <p><a href="mailto:GregB@25…”reacharound”…" rel="nofollow">GregB@25…”reacharound”…</a></p> <p>There’s a coffeespew…:o)</p> <p>Actually, if you’re an Obama supporter like me, I think we’ve got two very important tasks: keeping Hillary out of top spot on the ticket, and keeping her out of the second spot, too. </p> <p>This election, I don’t want voters even THINKING the word Clinton, when they get up to the touchscreen; much less, seeing it. It will cost us votes.</p> GregB@25…”reacharound”…

There’s a coffeespew…:o)

Actually, if you’re an Obama supporter like me, I think we’ve got two very important tasks: keeping Hillary out of top spot on the ticket, and keeping her out of the second spot, too.

This election, I don’t want voters even THINKING the word Clinton, when they get up to the touchscreen; much less, seeing it. It will cost us votes.

]]> By: noonan http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279159 noonan Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:57:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279159 <p>If you want to know more about where I live, you can follow the link in my name and see my ActBlue page. :)</p> If you want to know more about where I live, you can follow the link in my name and see my ActBlue page. :)

]]> By: noonan http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279155 noonan Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:56:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279155 <p>Hardly! We live north of Green Bay, in the 10-12″ band of snowfall zone. Our area is “reddish-purple” but changing fast as Obama gains traction.</p> Hardly! We live north of Green Bay, in the 10-12″ band of snowfall zone. Our area is “reddish-purple” but changing fast as Obama gains traction.

]]> By: kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279147 kiddo Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:51:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/17/whats-up-with-wisconsin/#comment-1279147 <p>Speaking only for myself of course, being against attacking Iraq was a no thunker. As to Chelsea, perhaps her mother, if nominated and elected could appoint her daughter Secretary of State or Defense. Or something. ;0)</p> Speaking only for myself of course, being against attacking Iraq was a no thunker. As to Chelsea, perhaps her mother, if nominated and elected could appoint her daughter Secretary of State or Defense. Or something. ;0)

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