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		<title>By: Arnie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1278873</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another goal for Ian, the ability to have perspective is a precious gift and you’re repaying that gift in diamonds, brilliantly done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are at least three forms of economics at play; Fundamental (philosophic), Applied, and Political, each having differing characteristics as well as fields of play. These are not well distinguished in what is taught in the schools, your posts do great justice to educating others about these properties, well done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What concerns me is the almost certainty that instead of a FDR to address economic needs, there will be instead a politician demagogue, an Elmer Gantry type, appealing to the public emotions through pseudo-economic mumbo-jumbo, that will lead to the final chapter of the republic. The public will be defenseless through failure of education to resist the siren appeal, an will follow as lemmings over an economic precipice, not knowing what or where they are headed. There are commentors here now that are issuing polemic that I expect from the demagogue, full of anger, of hate, and of unreasoned rage - all emotive based, no indication of rational or followed through thought. And from where I am at, that truly disturbs my ease for the future of the country (and for the rest of the world), long term, a new dark age may be the result and that would be a brighter outcome. All the best……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another goal for Ian, the ability to have perspective is a precious gift and you’re repaying that gift in diamonds, brilliantly done.</p>
<p>There are at least three forms of economics at play; Fundamental (philosophic), Applied, and Political, each having differing characteristics as well as fields of play. These are not well distinguished in what is taught in the schools, your posts do great justice to educating others about these properties, well done.</p>
<p>What concerns me is the almost certainty that instead of a FDR to address economic needs, there will be instead a politician demagogue, an Elmer Gantry type, appealing to the public emotions through pseudo-economic mumbo-jumbo, that will lead to the final chapter of the republic. The public will be defenseless through failure of education to resist the siren appeal, an will follow as lemmings over an economic precipice, not knowing what or where they are headed. There are commentors here now that are issuing polemic that I expect from the demagogue, full of anger, of hate, and of unreasoned rage &#8211; all emotive based, no indication of rational or followed through thought. And from where I am at, that truly disturbs my ease for the future of the country (and for the rest of the world), long term, a new dark age may be the result and that would be a brighter outcome. All the best……</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1278689</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So who? you ask. Look in the mirror. Ian’s post is accurate to a point, but as a prediction of future events, his guess is as good or bad as any. Times change, as does technology. Direct electronic democracy may replace representatives who have long gone into the bag-or not. I agree left wing blogs as now constituted won’t do it, but how do we get 70% of Americans to organize via the internet? Being technologicalldy challenged, I have no idea how, but in the can do American spirit, I believe it can be done. It would be more profitable to discuss how we, individually, but as a group can push back then to bemoan the fact that things are not as bright as they used to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who? you ask. Look in the mirror. Ian’s post is accurate to a point, but as a prediction of future events, his guess is as good or bad as any. Times change, as does technology. Direct electronic democracy may replace representatives who have long gone into the bag-or not. I agree left wing blogs as now constituted won’t do it, but how do we get 70% of Americans to organize via the internet? Being technologicalldy challenged, I have no idea how, but in the can do American spirit, I believe it can be done. It would be more profitable to discuss how we, individually, but as a group can push back then to bemoan the fact that things are not as bright as they used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: DBaker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1278633</link>
		<dc:creator>DBaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I was talking about, and what Ian was responding to here, was the enormous wealth that our university system has collected and the ability of American companies to profit from the fruits of their labor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will grant you that the Bush administration’s anti-science policies have not aided R &amp; D development.  On the other hand our academic institutions are still able to attract the “best and the brightest” in the world through their wealth.  They just pay more than the publicly funded institutions in Europe.  (I am not qualified to talk about Asia - it might be different there).  Our academic institutions are not solely dependent on government aid or government policy.  Government policy is part of the equation, but not the entire equation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our government policies should encourage that all of this research stays at home and doesn’t get auctioned off to the highest bidder, wherever they might be - that has been one of the many unfortunate effects of both the Bush AND the Clinton years.  If you have read &lt;em&gt;the Shock Doctrine&lt;/em&gt;, you will understand what I am talking about.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I was talking about, and what Ian was responding to here, was the enormous wealth that our university system has collected and the ability of American companies to profit from the fruits of their labor.</p>
<p>I will grant you that the Bush administration’s anti-science policies have not aided R &amp; D development.  On the other hand our academic institutions are still able to attract the “best and the brightest” in the world through their wealth.  They just pay more than the publicly funded institutions in Europe.  (I am not qualified to talk about Asia &#8211; it might be different there).  Our academic institutions are not solely dependent on government aid or government policy.  Government policy is part of the equation, but not the entire equation.</p>
<p>Our government policies should encourage that all of this research stays at home and doesn’t get auctioned off to the highest bidder, wherever they might be &#8211; that has been one of the many unfortunate effects of both the Bush AND the Clinton years.  If you have read <em>the Shock Doctrine</em>, you will understand what I am talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1278017</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think we have much longer at the top of the R&amp;D heap. Bush has cut off funding for most of the promising future technologies, including stem cell research, medical marijuana (more specifically, cannabinoids), large physics problems, and a host of others. This work is going overseas, and the benefits won’t accrue to the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think we have much longer at the top of the R&amp;D heap. Bush has cut off funding for most of the promising future technologies, including stem cell research, medical marijuana (more specifically, cannabinoids), large physics problems, and a host of others. This work is going overseas, and the benefits won’t accrue to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: wangdangdoodle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277804</link>
		<dc:creator>wangdangdoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That should be the SFPOARARWDWTBISOTEA. The Society For People (not Beople) Of All Races And Religions Who Don’t Want To Be Ignorant Slaves Of The Elite Anymore.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be the SFPOARARWDWTBISOTEA. The Society For People (not Beople) Of All Races And Religions Who Don’t Want To Be Ignorant Slaves Of The Elite Anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277795</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been a notorious 3rd party clamorer, but now I waver towards thinking that participation itself confers legitimacy that is not warranted. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The placebo effect doesn’t work for me anymore, but there are plenty who are getting their fix, so fine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Ian and others are pointing out, major externalities, systemic imbalances are coming down to destabilize the status quo - Climate Change, Peak Oil, and the collapse of the whole wall street ponzi schemes - the scale of the uncertainties coming out of this totally dwarfs campaign rhetoric, the next Prez will probably get blamed for it all, totally unfairly, of course.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;good news - the end of the stupid Suburban, exurban buildout, and the return to high density urban centers!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been a notorious 3rd party clamorer, but now I waver towards thinking that participation itself confers legitimacy that is not warranted. </p>
<p>The placebo effect doesn’t work for me anymore, but there are plenty who are getting their fix, so fine.</p>
<p>As Ian and others are pointing out, major externalities, systemic imbalances are coming down to destabilize the status quo &#8211; Climate Change, Peak Oil, and the collapse of the whole wall street ponzi schemes &#8211; the scale of the uncertainties coming out of this totally dwarfs campaign rhetoric, the next Prez will probably get blamed for it all, totally unfairly, of course.</p>
<p>good news &#8211; the end of the stupid Suburban, exurban buildout, and the return to high density urban centers!</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277793</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The really sad thing about this post of Ian’s is that the people who most need to see it and never will are the dupes of the neocons currently hanging out at FreeRepublic.org, RedState.org, and anyone who habitually passes along any bogus racist right-wing e-mail smear they find.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really sad thing about this post of Ian’s is that the people who most need to see it and never will are the dupes of the neocons currently hanging out at FreeRepublic.org, RedState.org, and anyone who habitually passes along any bogus racist right-wing e-mail smear they find.</p>
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		<title>By: aliasofwestgate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277723</link>
		<dc:creator>aliasofwestgate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;er..sarnia/point edward. Gah, i need to get some food!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er..sarnia/point edward. Gah, i need to get some food!</p>
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		<title>By: aliasofwestgate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277722</link>
		<dc:creator>aliasofwestgate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My mom’s canuck(never gave up her citizenship after she married dad) and i’ve got a slew of family in the sarnia/st edward area. I’m mostly canuck by default because of that. :P Getting the citizenship thing is just formalizing something i’ve been for all of my life. When you grow up crossing the bridges on a weekly basis and spending whole summers in ontario? There’s not much more to make me a real ‘canuck’. *grin* Granted, it’s been a long time since i’ve had poutine and i desperately miss Timmie’s!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom’s canuck(never gave up her citizenship after she married dad) and i’ve got a slew of family in the sarnia/st edward area. I’m mostly canuck by default because of that. :P Getting the citizenship thing is just formalizing something i’ve been for all of my life. When you grow up crossing the bridges on a weekly basis and spending whole summers in ontario? There’s not much more to make me a real ‘canuck’. *grin* Granted, it’s been a long time since i’ve had poutine and i desperately miss Timmie’s!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/the-end-of-americas-genius/#comment-1277713</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup, Pharma techs are universally needed.  As you say, just a matter of jumping through the hoops.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be glad to have you up here.  We’ll make you into a canuck in no time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*hmmmm, real street poutine, eh, and thank you*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, Pharma techs are universally needed.  As you say, just a matter of jumping through the hoops.  </p>
<p>Be glad to have you up here.  We’ll make you into a canuck in no time.</p>
<p>*hmmmm, real street poutine, eh, and thank you*</p>
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