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	<title>Comments on: Grover And Newt Ankle Bite Obama With 1998 Talking Points</title>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1278655</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know why anyone would listen to or give publicity to either Norquist or Gingrich, deeply evil slugs that they are, but Barack Obama is a lame, empty candidate on face value and quite possibly a corporatist below the surface. He has ducked important votes in the Senate and gives pep rally speeches. That’s little to like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…see that the enemies of Cambria no longer fight with swords, but with little pointed tongues…”&lt;br /&gt;
                           — Merlin according to Steinbeck&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know why anyone would listen to or give publicity to either Norquist or Gingrich, deeply evil slugs that they are, but Barack Obama is a lame, empty candidate on face value and quite possibly a corporatist below the surface. He has ducked important votes in the Senate and gives pep rally speeches. That’s little to like.</p>
<p>“…see that the enemies of Cambria no longer fight with swords, but with little pointed tongues…”<br />
                           — Merlin according to Steinbeck</p>
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		<title>By: bobh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The sooner this rubbish comes out the better, so we see how Obama deals with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sooner this rubbish comes out the better, so we see how Obama deals with it.</p>
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		<title>By: MinerSam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1278064</link>
		<dc:creator>MinerSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is nothing that Bush has done that the Republicans did not support.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the Democrats believe in working for the greater good as a way of achieving a more perfect union, through SMART government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Republicans equate this with Communist Central Planning (”The Nanny State”). They are looting the Treasury of the United States with Tax Cuts that 30% went to 130,000 people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every tragedy we experience today has been predictable and a torture to watch unfold, at the hands of Republican Ideology.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They hate the Government of the United States, and by their governance of it its shows. For decades they have been trying to get rid of the Agencies Americans pay to protect their interests: FEMA, EPA, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Army Corp of Engineers, Department of Education etc. etc. etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They pushed out thousands of NonPartisan Civil servents (SUCH AS CONTRACT NEGOTIATORS), replaced them with thousands of Brownies, and people who oppose a woman’s right to choose…And brought in Republican Fundraisers effectively turning them into Central Headquarters for the Republican Party. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They thrive on an igrnorant electorate and have been trashing the teachers of our children for decades. They use PR slogans to deceive and GWB hired 450 PR people since 2001.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They divided us when we needed to be strong and United, in order to garner votes. Veteran against Veteran, Catholic against Catholic, African Americans and Christians against Lesbians and Gays. State against State, the not to bright or ill informed against the knowledgable. And on the day after the 2004 election tried out the idea that fat people should pay more on planes because they “use more fuel.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have a warped sense of what Pro-business means. As they destroy the American Middle Class (begun by Reagan) they are actually destroying the LARGEST CUSTOMER OF THE CAPITALIST WORLD. So apparently they are more PRO-Republican CEOs than pro- business. And the Depression came about during a Republican administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In insurance they have tried to eliminate “SHARED RISK” by eliminating the people who most need it and only covering the ones who don’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their 1100 Think Tanks have replaced Rational Thinking with rationalization for their looting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their Prescription Drug bill that does not allow the Federal Government to negotiate VOLUME DISCOUNTS. This is something that Walmart does every day of the week, and basic principle of Capitalism. Yet their PR people have been calling it: “Price Fixing”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for this “free Market” business. It is the so called free market that got us the current Mortgage Crisis (Where they did not want Mortage companies to be regulated like the banks). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as Unifying our country. Bill Clinton had a Republican in his cabinet. And while Republicans claim to be for smaller government, under Clinton we had the beginging of not only smalled BUT SMART GOVERNMENT.&lt;br /&gt;
And he ballanced the budget by combing it LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM: Asking “If I cut this who will it impact, go find out.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile of the 9+ Trillion we are in debt since George Washington, 70% of it has been under Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2…which tax payers are spending as significant amount of their taxes TO PAY THE INTEREST ON THAT DEBT.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing that Bush has done that the Republicans did not support.</p>
<p>While the Democrats believe in working for the greater good as a way of achieving a more perfect union, through SMART government.</p>
<p>The Republicans equate this with Communist Central Planning (”The Nanny State”). They are looting the Treasury of the United States with Tax Cuts that 30% went to 130,000 people.</p>
<p>Every tragedy we experience today has been predictable and a torture to watch unfold, at the hands of Republican Ideology.</p>
<p>They hate the Government of the United States, and by their governance of it its shows. For decades they have been trying to get rid of the Agencies Americans pay to protect their interests: FEMA, EPA, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Army Corp of Engineers, Department of Education etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>They pushed out thousands of NonPartisan Civil servents (SUCH AS CONTRACT NEGOTIATORS), replaced them with thousands of Brownies, and people who oppose a woman’s right to choose…And brought in Republican Fundraisers effectively turning them into Central Headquarters for the Republican Party. </p>
<p>They thrive on an igrnorant electorate and have been trashing the teachers of our children for decades. They use PR slogans to deceive and GWB hired 450 PR people since 2001.</p>
<p>They divided us when we needed to be strong and United, in order to garner votes. Veteran against Veteran, Catholic against Catholic, African Americans and Christians against Lesbians and Gays. State against State, the not to bright or ill informed against the knowledgable. And on the day after the 2004 election tried out the idea that fat people should pay more on planes because they “use more fuel.” </p>
<p>They have a warped sense of what Pro-business means. As they destroy the American Middle Class (begun by Reagan) they are actually destroying the LARGEST CUSTOMER OF THE CAPITALIST WORLD. So apparently they are more PRO-Republican CEOs than pro- business. And the Depression came about during a Republican administration.</p>
<p>In insurance they have tried to eliminate “SHARED RISK” by eliminating the people who most need it and only covering the ones who don’t.</p>
<p>Their 1100 Think Tanks have replaced Rational Thinking with rationalization for their looting.</p>
<p>Their Prescription Drug bill that does not allow the Federal Government to negotiate VOLUME DISCOUNTS. This is something that Walmart does every day of the week, and basic principle of Capitalism. Yet their PR people have been calling it: “Price Fixing”</p>
<p>As for this “free Market” business. It is the so called free market that got us the current Mortgage Crisis (Where they did not want Mortage companies to be regulated like the banks). </p>
<p>As far as Unifying our country. Bill Clinton had a Republican in his cabinet. And while Republicans claim to be for smaller government, under Clinton we had the beginging of not only smalled BUT SMART GOVERNMENT.<br />
And he ballanced the budget by combing it LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM: Asking “If I cut this who will it impact, go find out.”</p>
<p>Meanwhile of the 9+ Trillion we are in debt since George Washington, 70% of it has been under Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2…which tax payers are spending as significant amount of their taxes TO PAY THE INTEREST ON THAT DEBT.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1278060</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s right; a corrupt, leftwing, Chicago politician that beat ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS running in red-state Virginia by 136,000 votes.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Folks, the RNC is shitting their pants at the prospect of John McCain running against Barack Obama.  :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s right; a corrupt, leftwing, Chicago politician that beat ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS running in red-state Virginia by 136,000 votes.  </p>
<p>Folks, the RNC is shitting their pants at the prospect of John McCain running against Barack Obama.  :o)</p>
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		<title>By: GordonM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277926</link>
		<dc:creator>GordonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The secret to maintaining plutocratic control is to carefully control how much of the middle class can “make it”, and thus back your goals. Howard Zinn does a great job showing how this worked in the Revolution in his books. You have to keep enough of the middle class thinking the threat comes from below. If they realize the real threat comes from above, the plutocracy is toast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some historian (Rick Perlstein, maybe?) has posited that after the New Deal, the money elites were so desparate for help that they opened the gates to the neuveau riche. These are people who are so deluded, they think they deserve to be rich, so they forget you have to throw peanuts to the crowd. They have lost control. Poor rich assholes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The secret to maintaining plutocratic control is to carefully control how much of the middle class can “make it”, and thus back your goals. Howard Zinn does a great job showing how this worked in the Revolution in his books. You have to keep enough of the middle class thinking the threat comes from below. If they realize the real threat comes from above, the plutocracy is toast.</p>
<p>Some historian (Rick Perlstein, maybe?) has posited that after the New Deal, the money elites were so desparate for help that they opened the gates to the neuveau riche. These are people who are so deluded, they think they deserve to be rich, so they forget you have to throw peanuts to the crowd. They have lost control. Poor rich assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277924</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am delighted that our choice is between Obama and Clinton!  Sweet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am delighted that our choice is between Obama and Clinton!  Sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: MinerSam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277922</link>
		<dc:creator>MinerSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would not shirk the power of Gnewt and Grover off. Grover is responsible for attacks on Bill and Hillary in the 90s (Whitewater, Paula Jones etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
as well as the Bush Tax Cuts!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I recently saw Gnewt tell the NRA that the Democrats would like to get rid of the Department of Defense. At the end of the speech the audiance gave him a standing ovation. The NRA has tens of millions of members.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And for those who say that Obama should get a new speech writer…in fact it is possible that he might not have gotten Caroline Kennedy to back him…because Obama has Ted Sorenson (Kennedy’d speech writer…as in “ask not what your country can do..”) on his team.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having seen Obama give about 20 speeches, I say go Hillary!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not shirk the power of Gnewt and Grover off. Grover is responsible for attacks on Bill and Hillary in the 90s (Whitewater, Paula Jones etc.)<br />
as well as the Bush Tax Cuts!</p>
<p>I recently saw Gnewt tell the NRA that the Democrats would like to get rid of the Department of Defense. At the end of the speech the audiance gave him a standing ovation. The NRA has tens of millions of members.</p>
<p>And for those who say that Obama should get a new speech writer…in fact it is possible that he might not have gotten Caroline Kennedy to back him…because Obama has Ted Sorenson (Kennedy’d speech writer…as in “ask not what your country can do..”) on his team.</p>
<p>Having seen Obama give about 20 speeches, I say go Hillary!</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Still waiting for Grover Norquist to slip on a bar of soap in the tub and drown.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for Grover Norquist to slip on a bar of soap in the tub and drown.</p>
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		<title>By: kiddo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277912</link>
		<dc:creator>kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeppers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Goodnight to each and every one of you. Kiddo has already gone upstairs to bed. And I shall be there with him soon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lahoma&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeppers.</p>
<p>Goodnight to each and every one of you. Kiddo has already gone upstairs to bed. And I shall be there with him soon.</p>
<p>Lahoma</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/16/grover-and-newt-ankle-bite-obama-with-1998-talking-points/#comment-1277911</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know I’m sticking my neck out here.&lt;br /&gt;
Read his amendment, though.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I’m sticking my neck out here.<br />
Read his amendment, though.</p>
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