Yesterday, House Democrats finally said "enough" and called George Bush's bluff. The President had threatened to leave the country in an intelligence blackout if Congress did not accede to his demands for sweeping warrantless surveillance and telecom immunity. But this time, for the first time, Democrats said, "we don't believe you." That moment of courage may well define the fall campaign.
This President has falsely cried "wolf" too many times. Statements from Speaker Pelosi [update here] and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Reyes dismissed as irresponsible and false fear mongering the President's claims that the expiration of the notoriously unconstitutional "Protect American Act" would preclude the government from continuing necessary foreign surveillance. From Chairman Reyes:
I, for one, do not intend to back down - not to the terrorists and not to anyone, including a President, who wants Americans to cower in fear.
We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won.
As Glenn Greenwald (and many others) explained, "we're not all going to die under FISA." By statute, existing surveillance efforts are allowed to continue for a year.
By statute, related new surveillance under the existing efforts can be added during that period.
By statute, unrelated new surveillance can be initiated under the pre-existing FISA provisions which remain in effect when the PAA expires.
And, telecom entities who follow lawful FISA requests are, as they always have been, immune for those actions.
In short, there is no break in surveillance coverage and no danger of non-cooperation by telecoms.
The President had, as Keith Olbermann correctly observed, effectively vetoed in advance (by directing unfailingly obedient Republicans not to vote for it) an offer to extend the PAA. That was a dead give away that Bush's threat to leave the country defenseless was hollow. In his Special Comment, Olbermann concluded:
If the President seems to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it means we can safely conclude… there is no baby.
Because if there were, sir, now that you have vetoed an extension of this eavesdropping, if some terrorist attack were to follow…
You would not merely be guilty of siding with the terrorists…
You would not merely be guilty of prioritizing the telecoms over the people…
You would not merely be guilty of stupidity…
You would not merely be guilty of treason, sir…
You would be personally, and eternally, responsible.
And if there is one thing we know about you, Mr. Bush, one thing that you have proved time and time again… it is that you are never responsible.
As recently ago as 2006, we spoke words like these with trepidation.
The idea that even the most cynical and untrustworthy of politicians in our history — George W. Bush — would use the literal form of terrorism against his own people — was dangerous territory. It seemed to tempt fate, to heighten fear.
We will not fear any longer.
We will not fear the international terrorists — we will thwart them.
We will not fear the recognition of the manipulation of our yearning for safety — we will call it what it is: terrorism.
We will not fear identifying the vulgar hypocrites in our government — we will name them.
And we will not fear George W. Bush.
Nor will we fear because George W. Bush wants us to fear.
Logan Murphy/Crooks & Liars has the Olbermann video.
The political battle is now clearly defined. The Republicans will claim that the nation faces imminent terror threats that the Democrats are unwilling either to acknowledge or defend against. The WH's Perino will claim Democrats are caving in to the "fantasies of left wing bloggers." Greenwald has more.
The Democrats will paint John "torture-is-okay-if-the-CIA-does-it" McCain as Bush/Cheney Act III, unprincipled fear mongers who not only mismanaged the effort against real terrorist threats by becoming bogged down in an unnecessary and costly Iraq invasion but also manipulated the terrorists' psychology to expand executive power at the expense of American freedoms.
It is an ageless fight. The campaign is on.
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Good morning Scarecrow!
Morning crow! Yup the house dems are now getting buff!
Well… at least mentally buff
George Bush threatened to leave the country if he didn’t get what he wanted? Wow!
To the Democrats in the House: KEEP ON DRIVING THE FUHRER BATSHIT CRAZY ’cause he says he’s gonna leave…and when he does….please make sure the borders are secure to keep this illegal alien from coming back in!
Thank you.
Good morning morning peeps :) Now I’m going to catch up on the overnight stuff…
Yo…Check your mail…
Pray that they don’t lose their courage. Someone, somewhere needs to stand up to bush. No one ever has and it is high time they did. Wonder if our outragte and call finally got the House to understand what this is about — is America afraid or are we courageous? is America unlawful or do we follow constituional laws?
The answers to these questions may be hiding in our House.
This is good.
I can’t help wonder of Donna Edwards’ win on Tues. night was a wake-up call to the incumbents. Do your jobs—the people’s work—because we are watching. And if you don’t we can find someone else who can and will.
Could this be the dawning of a new day in America? I sure hope so.
Who knew making George Bush use warrants would make him want to leave the country. How come we haven’t been shoving warrants in this man’s face all this time? We could have gotten rid of him by now! LOL
Oh, and everyone—NOW is the time to thank your congresscritter if he or she did the right thing(s) yesterday.
Cookies.
Good morning, Firedoglake left wing fanticists. I need my Cheerios and alka seltzer (dot a code).
Morning Crow and all,
Since when does valentine day turn into a day to show me the love ? A big wet one to KO and dems in congress.
To the losers repubs. good riddance to bad rubbish.No buying on 3-19 the disgusting 5th anniversary of the mistake. Peace now damn it!
Morning Biodun (ekaro). Nothing FROM you yet, but three TO you that were returned, or rather, never cleared the surfers (which I think do not like the weight of your signature).
Good morning Scarecrow,
Thank you for the Nadler video, glad to see it. I Wonder if what RevDeb says is true, “Could this be the dawning of a new day in America?”
sorry you dot a code
Donna Edwards enormous victory probably also was a factor in the new house Dem muscle. I think we are beginning to see fear in the eyes of the DCCC.
Good morning from L.A. Happy to read your excellent post on this, Scarecrow.
If yesterday was the tip off for the Dems’ main strategy to win large in the House, Senate, & take the Presidency, I want a courtside seat for the rest of the game.
Lucky to have Henry Waxman as my congresscritter. Henry- local hero makes good, stays good…
deb–
I was wondering the same thing–whether this has something to do with Donna Edwards–when I saw Steny Hoyer speaking out clear and strong.
But I rather think it was the juxtaposition of the contempt measure. they couldn’t have made it more obvious that the entire charade was about politicizing FISA–and that they didn’t think the Dem leadership would stand.
Scarecrow–
Boehner claimed that they had the votes if the SSCI version had been put on the floor. Do you think that is true?
Let’s send Georgie Peorgie a warrant for his arrest! That ought to scare the little Evangelical lying stinking warmongering pathological maniac into leaving the country! Hey, he said so.
Don’t do dairy. If you have a cold switch to toast or something dry. Dairy just keeps you stuffier.
Chicken soup—preferably the Jewish kind is best.
end of mom message.
ohhh, I love me some scarecrow in the morning, as always, I will perris a portion of your post acarecrow, I know the morning wouldn’t be complete unless I did so here goes
in fact, this time the democrats said outright;
“you are a liar”…they said the president’s claims were not true, they said security would NOT be compromised and without using the word, they called him a liar
I wish they used the word though, I would have liked it better
He can’t. He hates people who speak foreign languages except latino baseball players. remember he insulted an American reporter who covered Fr. politics for asking Chirac a question in French during a bilingual presser in France. He can’t run, but he can’t hide. No made that can’t hide either. After 1/19, he will have no bunker no right to land air force one at any military base, nothing but the sage brush and the secret service.
Mainer, or Maina as we say in the BlueBay, how does it feel to be a. insignificant and b. have non-quality primary vote. How is Penn playing in Maine?
I think that’s correct. There were about 20 Bluedog Dems who wrote a letter to Pelosi saying they’d support the Senate bill. But Pelosi decided that she wasn’t going to even bring up a bill that the vast majority of her own party opposed. Hello, Harry Reid.
Don’t get your hopes up just yet.
I can only handle so many Cheerios w/out milk.
Inhale …. hot steam from a bowl of hot water. Eucalyptus leaves in it help, the French say (but they make everything extra sensual, so who knows). Then take cleared head to bed under covers and drink chicken soup, the Jewish penicillin.
NPR 10 years ago had a recipe for said soup that scientists had tested for effectiveness. it may be in their archives. I have it somewhere but would have to find the paper copy.
Forgot to mention last eve- I really enjoy reading your blog, Kay. And those 2/14 pix of your pooch on the snowdrift are great.
Per Glenzilla:
FUCK BIPARTISANSHIP !
Thank you notes to the House Dems are a good idea. But I don’t think they’ll let cookies through security. Send the cookies to me.
Does congress have the power to grant immunity in advance to anyone or corporation?
Doesn’t that presume that the entity has or will break some law?
Morning. Caucus turn out. Votes for dems doubling votes for repubs in frigging VA. the state they can see from the capitol steps …. if they look toward Arlington cemetery.
It was shivering cold on those steps for republicans. with the country going blue to purple, the red will leave their name, and only publicans will remain. They can all open bars, except the ones who will be disbarred…
sorry punaise if she is awake for taking a stab at a pub. Je suis navree (I am totally abjectly sorry.)
In a choreographed move that George Balanchine, or Joe Stalin, would admire,
Mike McConnell uses the WaPo as a dumping ground
for the same old same old.
is this a typo?
shouldn’t that read “the republicans” and not the democrats?
LOL…
Paraguay doesn’t extradite war criminals. So I’ve read.
KO’s special report supposedly chilling on youtube yet. Not on his site as far as I can see.
Which ones were those? I did get the one I specifically requested, if you know what I mean…
I say goddamn!
Yeah I just read McConnell’s WaPo screed, too. He’s a really lousy liar on paper, although not quite as lousy as when he’s testifying in front of a committee.
The Olbermann Special Comment is in the Crooks and Liars link, after the quote. The C&L video starts with the story on FISA but the second half is the Special Comment.
He can pardon himself, remember. Since they say he is going to pardon Clemens who is innocent until proven guilty unless pardoned cause you need to be criminal to be pardone, he and Clemens can spend time together talking about how much they owe to their lawyers.
which reminds me. what is ex-AGAG doing these days?
The Iraq’s can always send Mercs in to get Bush and after this war Blackwater will be hard up for cash.
Yesterday was a great day - Olbermann’s comment, contempt citations, not backing down on FISA - and any day that the White House acknowledges that left-wing blogs are getting under their skin is a great day.
More days like yesterday, please!
On MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Andrea Mitchell and Tweety are speculating wildly about superdelegates and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Hill’s chance of making a “come-back,” as they put it. At some the words “politics of retail” came out of Tweety’s mouth…WTF is politics of retail? Someone please enlighten me…
No. Read that as “John ‘torture-is-okay-if-the-CIA-does-it’ McCain”
Make sense now?
and there was chocolate
” * One of the reasons the Fed was created was to manage the economy and prevent further depressions. Guess What? The biggest deflation in history, the great depression, happened 17 years later.
* At one time economists thought that inflation and recession could not happen at the same time. It happened anyway. A new term was coined for it “Stagflation”.
* Deflation supposedly couldn’t happen in a fiat regime. Japan proved otherwise.
* If you asked anyone in Japan if housing prices could fall for 18 straight years, they would have said “It can’t happen”. It did happen.
* For 30 years people have said US housing prices would never again decline on a national scale. They were wrong. It happened.
Goddam publicans, I presume. Not litl’ol me. You have forgiven me for dissing the puppy, I hope.
people’s votes = retail politics
Scarecrow, do you think this will snowball?
Glad you’ve got your priorities in order :-)
I’d like to know too but I think its about door to door and face to face.
Tweety also said: “The Clintons are usually at their best when they’re down, not when they’re winning…They even look better when they’re down…”
They do? As I said on a Christy thread yesterday, Tweety’s off the rails….
Oh, yeah! Chocolate!
Let’s relive the moment from this week of Condi Rice being put on the spot by Congressman Wexler…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyKOkGjodhY
Brings joy to my heart! It truly was the best Valentine’s Day ever. :-)
Thanks, my man…
“Please consider Fitch Discloses Its Fatally Flawed Rating Model. As amazing as it might seem now, Fitch disclosed as recently as March 2007 that their model for rating CDOs assumed low to single digit home price appreciation forever into the future. They even admitted their model would break down if home prices were flat for an extended period of time. There is a shocking conference call discussed in the above link where Fitch described those fatally flawed assumptions.
Fitch placed so much faith in their models (as did Moody’s and the S&P) that the biggest financial speculation in housing history took place. Greenspan and the Fed cheered the miracle of derivatives most of the way. Such foolishness has already cost Citigroup (C) and Merrill Lynch (MER) their CEOs. It may cost Citigroup its entire company.”
Yes. That is one hurdle we have to get over, huh?
Matthews sometimes uses that term “retail politics” for when the candidates meet one on one with lots of individual voters, as in New Hampshire.
Tweety: “What Clinton needs to do is get rid of the kneecappers who work for her…” Shades of Tonya Harding!
Israel did it to Eichmann, not mercs but agents all the same. There is no statute of limitations and many countries subscribe to the doctrine of universal jurisdiction.
Oh! Poor Tweety! Bad, Bad Clintonites got him in trouble.
Retail politics is NH and Iowa where you spend time and effort, meet the people, have conversations. Wholesale is Super Tues. where you drop in and fly out and spend lots of $$ on teevee ads.
Retail may be coming to PA if Hill lasts that long. Who’d a thunk it?
Good morning, pups
Is the universe beautiful, or what?
Amen, Scarecrow. I watched the Olberman Special Comment live last night and literally applauded afterward. Reyes’ statement was brilliant. I saw Steny state that the House will not be a lapdog to the President or the Senate. I think we have finally seen some backbone. Yessssss!!! Harry and the 21 other DINO Senators, did you watch and learn? Our constitution is not for sale and we will not surrender to terrorists, foreign or domestic. WH00T!
“Why The Credit Bubble Lasted For Decades
* Single household breadwinner became two household bread winners
* Interest rates were at 18% headed to 1%
* Internet revolution provided tremendous numbers of jobs
* Lending standards declined
* Housing boom provided jobs
* Rising asset prices supported consumption”
on the ground field office stuff. door to door. the things she forgot to do. and her high priced staff except Ickes sneered at because Queen Inevitability does not do retail (BTW. The real Queen does not carry money in that purse she always has. the lady in waiting does that.)
Olberman hits the nail on the head time and again, doesn’t he?
anyway, check out my bold;
they play “the oposite” game, if they say one thing. it’s the opposite
I wonder if the approaching Democratic sweep has given energy to the House?
The Dems are starting to take notice because people are voting
in large numbers..maybe if we throw some support behind the person that is running againist Pelosi in her district..the bad FISA bill go away forever and impeachment will be back on the table..it would not hurt to play their game as well..
re: Olbermann’s speshul commint, i writ the follerin lil pome —
In Our Fear
The US Constitution broke the mold –
The first to replace monarchy with laws,
A document as brave as it is bold
For which no fear should change a single clause.
Yet terrorists use horrendous actions,
In hopes they can fill all of us with fear,
For only in our overboard reactions
Can their evil intentions persevere.
For they would cower the home of the brave –
And curtail rights in the land of the free –
Convert our land to tyranny’s poor slave:
Those ruled by fear can have no liberty.
Our forefathers gave fortune, lives and fame,
To secure freedom at such grievous cost –
If we should lose it, who deserves the blame?
Or in our fear will we know what we’ve lost?
Chocolate. DFH can eat chocolate and change the world.
Protect the children, for real not AGAG pretend. ’cause choc trade is slave-made, child slave-made.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....133447/427
this is a hoot:
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I think the Democrats should pour more salt in the wounds of the republican neocons in the House by sending out subpoenas to George Bush & Dick Cheney to testify before Congress about their abuse of power.
tears, moved by you . but where oh where is the original speech. Missed it. not yet on his site. help help.
Exactly!
When Boehner said he wouldn’t put up with any more of this “political grandstanding,” he and the rest of the Republicans spontaneously stomped out to a prepared bank of microphones. (Ya’ gotta have a sense of irony to enjoy this game!)
something tells me that Clinton will not be taking political advice from Tweety anytime soon.
broken link try again.
It’s still dark here & that link made me go outside to look up. Even in the city, it’s gorgeous right before dawn.
Beautiful photo, thanx.
They also voted to enforce the subpoenas!
What a great day!
It’s an ageless fight until such time the American public comes to the realization that the far greater threat to the Republic is not some cave dwelling terrorists but rather the Republican Party itself. They are a cancer on the body politic. Like a cancer, they must be excised. Should another Republican manipulate, cajole or steal another Presidential election the diagnosis for the country will certainly be terminal. For the health of the nation the Republican Party must and will be purged. They have proven themselves worthy of nothing less than electoral euthanasia. Until such time we are all in grave danger.
We had the fair trade chocolate discussion yesterday and most are already on board.
link on enforcing the subpoenas.
Great picture. That one burst in the middle looks like the head of a wolf, or lion.
Today I begin my search for fair trade chocolate that isn’t produced by horribly exploited children.
Here’s the link to KO’s special comments:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....sh-is-a-li
Basically, I kept trying to same the same ones. But, I think I figured out, I delete the stuff below your signature before responding and it seems to go through.
They itnored a fundamental axiom of sanity: “What can’t go on forever won’t.”
I saw KO’s comments last night. Very powerful, and for me scarily so.
Thanks for this one as well. More detailed and more to the point than my man SanderO’s …*g*
Makes sense…Seems that your prestigious university’s servers doesn’t have a bandwidth big enough to handle tons of data… What’s the overall student and faculty and staff population?
You have mail…
Ironically retail politicking involves little cash and lots of time. “Wholesale” involves huge amounts of money for TV marketing and expensive PR.
Retail don’t work in huge states unless you have a town meeting in yankee stadium. haha
morning all!
just checking in to confirm - you’re sure that there will be no house action on fisa today?
the daily leader isn’t up yet (with the house floor schedule, which is a bit unusual)… that’s why i ask.
Blew me away! Thanks. My my, if that’s what astronauts get to see, no wonder they go mental when they get back on earth…like wear diapers while driving ti harm a rival…
Tell me why scary, if you would.
Did it trigger a fear that maybe he was so accurate that someone might pull the plug on him?
That thought crossed my mind.
Did his vehement use of the word Facist just chill you to the bone?
Me too.
I also just went outside, like Marie above, and starred at the predawn sky.
Eery. Is this the dawn of a new era?
Which way are we going?
“House Leaves Surveillance Law to Expire.” NYT today.
Chimpy whining about FISA again…obsessed..the guy’s sick, hates to lose. He’s almost shouting right now. I really despite this mofo…just realizing that now. Usually by this time I’m simply at my workstation with the teevee off. But today…
Then there’s Tamrin Hall, the trophy cutsy-pie black MSNBC anchor…
nevermind - i now see that today’s house floor schedule looks like a pro forma meeting only.
when it comes to explaining congressional actions - i don’t consider the nyt a reputable source (like to see things confirmed by primary sources). this time i’ve convinced myself they’re right.
Finally some balls in congress if blue dogs don’t bolt
this is a good post to digg, pups.
Would they be blue balls?
The grad student shooting at U of IL’s providing MSM a relief (if one can call it that) from politics, specifically, from Hill and Obama…who’re sucking up more media air than McCain and Huckabee. Meanwhile, Mitt’s gone back to NV, or wherever he crawled out from..Now that’s mean–my apologies…
And there’s my Facebook pal Chuck Todd talking about superdelegates…If I hear that word one more time I’ll scream…This is what I’m missing not having the teevee on at this time…
demi:
this one’s for you…*g*
It’s NIU, the shooter was a student at Illinois who had been at Northern.
The Preznit is angree because Cheney took away his bike privleges for a week.
The man is a sadist who loves to make people “knuckle under.” His brother says he has been that way all his life.
wherever he crawled out from..Now that’s mean–my apologies
hmmm, is that a genuine apology :)
Seems like these student shooting incidents are happening more often — anyone know?
And watch out for those grad students…they read some bad books that do something funny to the head…
Right, Richmond? –if you’re still here… don’t you have classes to teach this semester?
Seems like these student shooting incidents are happening more often — anyone know?
Random events “clump,” and the media presents “clumping” as though it represents an increase in the rate of the event measured over a more indicative duration, e.g., half a year or so.
A separate effect is the public confusion that correlates “rate of reporting” with “rate of incident.” See the media created “summer of the shark,” where the number of shark attacks was LOWER than the norm.
the level of intensity sure has risen. This dude seems to have had a sawed of pump, a 9mm and a smaller caliber handgun. They say it was over in about 2 minutes.
Yep. I thought of you when I heard U of IL Champagne-Urbana…
what’s for me?
& fb 4 u.
I think Pelosi maybe keeping the bad FISA bill at bay for now
so as to head off any serious primary challenge in her district on March 4th and then brings it up again if she sails through that primary and if it happens to pass she’ll balme it on the Blue Dogs.. I don’t trust her after what she’s done on the war issue..
Remember that dude Victor Srelnick (sp)? He killed his major prof, did his time, got out and said, “I’d do it again if I could”.
It’s like an epidemic in this country.
Soon we will be numb to it and they won’t report it.
I remember as a child they would report highway deaths each month as a news item. Never hear it now.
I have a great friend who went through the doc program here and is on the faculty there. I wrote her last night and she said she watched them load the bodies from her office window.
grad students…see my 112, or troubled high school juniors and/or seniors…that cove rs all the bases.
And the lunatic in the Amish school.
seems like it - we had a kid get shot for being gay at a junior high around here just a couple days ago…
Couple of comments … I suspect the action by House DEMs will amount to a short term political stunt. The ultimate measure is passage of retroactive immunity. If “immunity” and “needing cooperation” is so important, why don’t they repeal the statutes that create the right to sue the telecoms?
Also, the US Constitution gives the president the power to convene Congress in extraordinary occasions. If, in his SOLE judgement, failure to pass the law (that, FWIW, was written by DNI, not by Congress) creates a risk of foreign damage to the US, then under his duty to protect the country from foreign invasion, etc., he has a DUTY to call Congress into session.
I’m of a mind that he has the authority without resort to the statute, and the administration has argued exactly that — Article II powers are sufficient justification to undertake surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes. He doesn’t need ANY law. Repeal FISA altogether, and he still has that power.
Yep. A few of these grad students even shoot their profs while they’re in the middle of defending their dissertations…
School shootings on wikipedia
i gave my committee m&m’s
Don’t it make you proud to be an American:
Video: http://judiciary.edgeboss.net/.....142008.smi
Per Marty Lederman: “Well, at least we’re not as barbaric as the Spanish Inquisition.”
But I did fire my chair and offer to kick his ass
the level of intensity sure has risen.
Oh, I dunno. See Whitman in the Texas tower.
Then there is the Bath, Michigan school bombing of the 1920’s. (IIRC on the decade)
Yea, I just watched “Rescue Dawn” and one of the first things the commie rat pathet lao did was to put Dieter in a well and dunk him over and over. Technically he wasn’t on a board!
Man! Am I glad I’m no longer on campus… although U of MN had no incidents all the 7 year I spent not getting that doctorate…didn’t write the thesis, ABD…All But Dissertation…nonacademic types usually ask me what that means…they don’t have a clue, and why should they?
MSNBC won’t let go of the story. They lead with it after each break…
roger, not many of these guys are the kind of shot Whitman was.
And wwhy doesn’t that surprise me?
3 (including me) :-)
Nancy framed the issue perfectly. ’The President is not above the law.’ That frame has long and sturdy legs. It is the one we run on.
The “h” is silent on that one…pronounced patet lao…but you must know that…*g*
Ever see “Life in Hell” on Grad School
Further, I don’t see why telco cooperation has to be voluntary. If it’s that important, (legal) cooperation could be mandated. This stuff about “they need immunity or else they won’t cooperate” is so much happy horseshit.
What’s the line from Full Metal Jacket? “What do Charles Whitman, Lee Harvey Oswald have in common?”
nope…
Caw! Caw! Great post, Scarecrow, as always!
he deserved it, he had been shoving people around for years. I wrote him and said, “During my divorce you helped me understand that I could care for someone and change the relationship, that’s what I am doing with you.” That was after I told him to go fuck himself. People in the department were thrilled and it changed the way he dealt with students. he’s still a great friend.
I just mean, he is SO frank, and so out there, and going for the jugular, part of me believes we are slipping into facism, and someone like KO will be “dealt with” by the folks in power. On the other hand, he not only continues to speak out, but also is given more power by putting him on the football stuff, that the facism meme that we have been talking about seems a bit more complex. I guess, sometimes you just get scared for people (after all I am not using my real name here) yet, he is really able to have an impact because of his forcefulness. (I also think the two Dem candidates speaking out against the war so strongly are also leaving an imprint on Congress).
Just heard over the wall at work:
“These gun crimes have nothing to do with guns.”
Hmmm, It might be interesting to see a comparison between these schoolroom killers and neocons; nerds who yearn for acceptance, begin to fantasize, and ultimately punish society.
Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was?
Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target.
Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot!
Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot?
Sir, in the Marines, sir!
In the Marines! Outstanding!
Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do!
And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!
This guy was an award winning sociology student, nice try though.
Just two years ago, Northern Illinois University honored the man identified as the shooter in Thursday’s attacks with a dean’s award for his sociology work.
The gunman had established himself as an authority on prison systems, having co-authored a manuscript on self-injury in prison and the role of religion in the formation of early prisons in the United States. Both papers were written under the guidance of Jim Thomas, a professor emeritus at NIU and a nationally renowned criminal-justice expert.
Good morning pups! Amazing FISA victory. Whets my appetite for more.
Moving van slated to arrive this morning.
Wow! That says something…i’m just not sure what yet. Gotta let all that soak in.
I know. It doesn’t make him accepted in whatever way he wanted to be. Obviously, something was wrong.
I was being “tongue-in-cheek” anyway.
yea, there needs to be more info
Bush 41 about to endorse McCain…Halleluyah!
Neither do drive by stabbings
I wasn’t trying to be argumentative.
Ironically, sometimes that’s the way to make life-long friends. There’s also respect in the mix…the other person respects you for the guts you showed confronting him…
Best of luck w/everything today, egregious. Arranging your stuff in a new place makes it feel more like home, at least it always has for me. Will be thinking of you & hoping all goes smoothly.
A cartoon for those of us thoroughly sick of hearing about (or from) superdelegates:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....sp?id=1710
Leaving for work early. Read you all later.
Very sad day up here in your former domicile.
former grad student with honors…27 years old…been in grad school a tad too long…Yep. Them books, I tell ya..
I finished when I was 50!
No, I know. I just didn’t want to leave the impression I was quite as simple as I sounded.
I faxed a excerpt of an article laying out how the domestic spying began BEFORE 9/11 to Rep Conyers. Since he placed into the Congressional record the fact that the telcos cut off FISA wiretaps due to lack of bill payment by the feds to illustrate that they were NOT acting “patriotically”, it is my hope that he will also enter into the record that the spying beginning BEFORE 9/11 could NOT have been due to “patriotism” either.
Both actions put the lie to both Bush’s words and the claims by the Telcos. Bush is simply trying to resurrect ALL the unconstitutional activities committed by Nixon and make them de facto legal henceforth. He is trying to put true the outrageous claim by Nixon that “if the President does it then it isn’t illegal”.
Question that the press corps will never ask:
“Mr. President,
The holding your breath until you turn blue. How’s that working out for you lately?”
Richmond:
I feel like Hamlet unable to kill his uncle…you know what I’m talking about…*g*
NPR this morning and WaPO had McConnell and only McConnell telling us that letting this law lapse is dangerous. Why no opposing side? In the WaPo comments, I didn’t see one that didn’t think he and Bush were full of it. Lots of reasons to. Some I hadn’t thought of…
If Bush was so concerned that this lapsing law was so dangerous, why is he ANNOUNCING to the terrorists that we are now more vulnerable?
If Bush was so concerned about this law, why did he make immunity of the telephone companies the defining issue?
Shooter dressed all in black, like me…Oh oh..
Part of the reason that mass killings in the US barely make a buzz anymore is partly that they have become more and more common, but also partly because the media and the Bush Cultists have spent the last 5 years minimizing and ignoring mass killings in Iraq.
Ya know, if it aint me getting killed, it don’t matter. Because that is the selfish well the nation has been thrown into.
Well, since WE haven’t had a terrorists attack since 9/11(always ignoring the seried sof anthrax attacks that killed 5 and terrorized millions)….since WE haven’t been attacked(ignoring the series of bombings in the UK, Spain)….Since WE haven’t been attacked…who cares.
That is the new mantra in this Bush cultivated softest generation.
-G
Ah, yes, NPR, National Propaganda for the Right-wing.
Seems easy enough to me: strip telecom immunity from this bill and have the GOP re-introduce under separate cover. Force them to say that telecom immunity is the only issue for them. Make them say that protecting telecoms from prosecution is more important than FISA.
Keith is so right about how people used to be fearful to say these things. I distinctly recall a time in late 2001 when I was sitting with a friend in a restaurant talking about how we were not willing to give up our rights for safety, and lots of people looked at us nervously.
Screw Bush and his “you have to give me more power or you’ll be killed!” Screw Ashcroft and his “people should watch what they say.” Screw Cheney/Addington/Bradbury/Gonzales/Mukasey and all the rest and their “it’s not torture if we say it’s not torture.” We’re Americans, dammit, and we don’t do those things.
The people woke up to this a while ago. I’m glad Congress is finally catching up.
Not envious of you with the van bit. Did it last summer on one of the hottest days and it was a nightmare. You may recall. It took weeks for things to start getting put into place. Still can’t find things.
Good luck with it and give yourself time and patience to get through it. And comfort food.
And our TX Gov, Good Hair, acc. to Molly Ivins, is pushing for the students’ right to have arms on the Univ. of TX campus with its thousands of students. He doesn’t have good judgement about anything else, either.
That’s pretty much what the House bill they blocked was. It had no telecom immunity and greater oversight provisions (similar to the amendments Harry ensured wouldn’t pass in the Senate.)
Brilliant.
Some idiot Republicans in the Virginia legislature tried the same thing this year (changing the law so that schools can’t prohibit people with concealed-weapons permits from carrying guns on school grounds, specifically), but it went nowhere, thankfully.
As some comedian said some years ago “I know they say guns don’t kill people, people kill people, but it’s a lot harder to kill people with a stick…”
selise,
beware. we may not be out of the woods yet:
Let’s not let this slip by without our continued pressure.
I have now faxed an excerpt of the article laying out the fact that the illegal domestic spying began BEFORE 9/11 to Conyers and Reyes. There is NO WAY that the argument of “telecoms acting patriotically in response to 9/11″ can stand up to both cutting off wiretaps due to failure to pay the bills AND the fact that it all actually began before 9/11.
Hit them hard folks. Let them know we are watching closely and that they cannot sneak this past us!
I hope that will be the fate here. UT just got a very high rating for campus safety. It is crazy for the Gov. to want to take up this fight. Here is Austin we see the Whitman shooting story at least once a year and see all the students, etc. sprawled out on the ground or trying to take cover. Of course, both our US Senators are involved in the Amicus brief to argue for the right to guns in the DC. That case will be interesting to watch.
Regarding the shootings–
Check out drugawareness.org–an organiztion that is gathering data on these shooting and their correlation with the shooter being on so-called “safe” antidepressants. In every case, the shooter was either on antidepressants or was in withdrawal.
Same with the recent antics of Britney Spears, et al, where there as also been a correlation between their odd behavior and antidepressants.
Personally, I think it goes much, much deeper than that–there is a correlation between mercury exposure and anger outbursts, depression, anxiety, and other mental issues. I’m willing to bet there is a link. But that’s just me.
Just called Pelosi and Reyes to offer thanks, and ask, more of the same please.
amen, RevDeb.
thank you for this,im a HUGE consumert
That is exactly what they should do.
Call their bluff again and again and again…
Mmm–Well the most notable example of standing up to Bush is when he took all his political capital before the american people in his privatization of social security shtick- and walked away with empty pockets as the american people told him to stick it where the sun don’t shine..
That was that day that the riverboat gambler from Texas saw his presidency end- but it was the american people led by the AARP who stuck it to the Turkey.
“Executive Oil,”…… spanked by KO! The “limitations” on government is a important concept. America’s founders understood it completely.
We have limited resources. I suggest we continue focusing on blue dogs and on House members who voted Emanuel and Hoyer into leadership positions.
Strange. I never thought of Dick Cheney as a sadist, just an opportunist and a tough sob. Huh.
Can you imagine where Bush’s “power grab” would be today without the internet? And the irony that Gore enhanced the growth of the internet which ultimately brought Bush down? Whew, I think we dodged a bullet!!
The primary winner for the Democrates is no longer important for me because either way, the Dems will be in charge. A Democratic Senate,House and President!! Just dreaming.
Pardon?
I’m confused, and I seek knowledge & enlightenment. Why does Bush not pardon the telcos for their acts? What’s the difference (for us, for the telcos, and for the administration) between immunity & a pardon?
I said it on Crooks and Liars and I’ll say it again - I feel the need to ask the obvious - how many of you are boycotting Verizon and AT&T over their illegal actions? We need to hit them in the pocket book and let them know that we are angry about being spied on and won’t do business with unethical companies. Has anyone thought about this seriously? I’m not an organizer by any means but this seems to be a good way to send some serious hurt their way, I’m just sayin’.
Spread the word and help restore the U.S. Constitution and break the bonds between big business and government.
Synoia - Bush could certainly pardon the telecoms but it would be too late to prevent the backlash of lawsuits that would cost them dearly?
“Four More Years!”
About time!!
Seriously, why did the House suddenly get the spine to stand up to Bush? And why did the Senate? Why the difference?
Hoyers great on THe Newshour; got the last word.