Now that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have reconsolidated in Waziristan (the porous border-area between Pakistan and Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden is believed to be hiding out, and where Musharraf’s Pakistani government has next-to-nothing control [in fact, he is supposed to have made some form of hands-off deal with tribal leaders in that region]), it might not be a bad idea to take a quick cruise through a (not too) recent history of Afghanistan induced first by the British, then the (now defunct) Soviet Union, and now by the US in the neglected so-called war on terror, distracted by a useless Iraq war, thanks to George W. Bush, useless and expensive (in terms of American and Iraqi lives and also of money–$2 billion a week, according to one estmate). In recent years, numerous arguments have been made in television, online, and print media about the fact that the Bush administration became distracted by the real war on terror in Afghanistan and Waziristan, too numerous, in fact, to be repeated and/or linked here.
So now by all means please join me on this quick cruise, where we’ll have a primer (on deck, so to speak) to bring us up to speed about this country that even Genghis Khan could not conquer, and that more or less flummoxed the hapless Soviets in their almost decade-long escapade, and where, some have argued, began the process of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
1949: (Waziristan was an autonomous region in the first place between Pakistan and Afghanistan, home of the Pashtun tribe. ) But in 1949, the British forced the then Afghan ruling entity, known as the loya jirga, to draw the so-called Durand Line, an international boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that then divided the Pashtun tribe between the two countries. Therein lies the historical origin of the troubled region from the get-go, an artificial and ineffective boundary that, interestingly enough, still exists as we type on this keyboard.
1979: The Soviet Union occupies Afghanistan, inaugurating a 9-year somewhat misnamed "Soviet-Afghan War."
1980: Soviet troops install a puppet regime in Kabul. The US, Pakistan, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, offer support to various Mujahideen , or Islamic anticommunist resistance groups, as they begin a guerrilla war against Soviet forces. The war becomes a steady drain on Soviet resources and saps the morale of its soldiers. Many observers compare the Soviet Union’s experience of Afghanistan to the U.S. experience in Vietnam. In fact, in my opinion, the Soviet invasion begins the end of the cold war. But my point here is that the US sank a lot of money and equipment helping and arming the Mujahideen.
1988-1989: All Soviet troops are withdrawn.
1992: Mujahideen resistance forces finally remove the Soviet-installed regime from power, leaving rival militias to vie for influence in its wake.
1993: Mujahideen factions agree on the formation of a government with Burhanuddin Rabbani installed as president, but factional infighting continues.
1994: The Taliban emerges as the strongest faction of the Muslim Afghan Mujahideen rebels.
1996: The Taliban seize control of Kabul and implement the Sharia, the fundamentalist Islamic law, barring women from work and education. Islamic punishment is introduced including amputation and death by stoning.
1996: Taliban militia offers exiled Saudi militant Osama bin Laden refuge in Afghanistan.
1998: The U.S. launches missiles at suspected bases of Osama bin Laden, whom the US has accused of bombing two of its embassies in Africa. The Taliban also blow up the Buddhas in Bamiyan. (H/T to GregB and SanderO)
November 1999: The UN. imposes an air embargo and freezes Taliban assets in an attempt to force the Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden for trial.
2000-2001: Record cold, drought and civil war push an estimated 200,000 Afghans into refugee camps, many of them in Pakistan.
July 13, 2001: Taliban authorities ban use of the Internet to stop access to material deemed vulgar, immoral and anti-Islamic.
July 19, 2001: Taliban authorities ban playing cards, computer discs, movies, satellite TV dishes, musical instruments, cassettes and chessboards, after declaring them "against the Sharia."
September 12, 2001: A day after the September 11 events, the Taliban condemns the hijacking attacks against the United States and urges the US not to attack them in retaliation, saying the Afghan people are already in a great deal of misery.
The rest, as the saying goes, is history. Except we’re now experiencing a living history (but for real and not at all in classrooms) of Afghanistan in 2008!
March 20, 2003: George W. Bush stubbornly decides to deploy thousands of troops to Iraq, when his administration could have confined this living history lesson within US classrooms instead of exposing it to the killing (of mostly American lives) fields and deserts of Iraq–and of Afghanistan.
And now, alas, sadly, our quick cruise must come to an end.
Related posts:
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- More Troops for Afghanistan? Faster Withdrawal from Iraq?
- FDL Movie Night: Rethink Afghanistan
- In Exclusive Interview, Matthew Hoh Says Escalation in Afghanistan a “Terrible Way to Prove a Point”





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Biodun!
Zed
The Taliban had some nasty ideas. But we showed em.
I blame Charlie Wilson.
Kewl Biodun!!
All these weapons floating around is not the best thing and when they get into the wrong hands, as they usually do, it becomes a horror story and genocides are common.
Darn,
I thought you were gonna take us back to the Kyber Pass in the 1850’s and the British retreating with the end of empire in sight.
Go Biodun. That’s it! Lots of food for thought presented here by you at the restaurant o’lake.
A little Taliban tidbit…:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020
By the Biodun, great post. You forgot that they blew up that stunning Budda carved in the mountain. Total fundie f*ckers.
something very important is left out of this timeline;
what’s missing is reagans funding terrorists, arming al qaeda and giving power and birth to bin laden
this is something we really ahve to address, reagan was NOT “reaganesque”
I think the moral bankruptcy of the Taliban movement was fully evident when they blew up the Bhudda statues in Bamiyan.
-G
More Taliban history:
“THE Taliban, Afghanistan’s Islamic fundamentalist army, is about to sign a £2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.
The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. Last week Unocal, the Houston-based company bidding to build the 876-mile pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, invited the Taliban to visit them in Texas. Dressed in traditional salwar khameez, Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htm…..tal14.html
It was particularly galling to read about Gates lecturing the Europeans on how it could be harmful to NATO if they didn’t send the necessary troops to Afghanistan to cover our other war while we continued to pour most of our forces into our war of choice in Iraq.
Bin Laden was (is?) a CIA asset. We made the dude.
The Soviet installed leader Najibullah had a somewhat inauspicious ending too.
-G
The UInical Pipeline of Hamid (I’m a shill) Karsai.. but I look cool.
UnoCal
Hi Biodun.
Here’s a big one. A whole YEAR before the Iraq invasion, just shortly after bin Laden slipped away, the 5th Special Forces Group was pulled out of Afghanistan in March, 2002 — for Iraq!
http://www.iraqfact.com/zPic_5tht.html
Why does NATO exist again?
The literature on this subject has multiplied recently, much text out
there to read,but it all boils down to blowback at least, and the dark
side might include some aspects of the inside job theory as well.
Biodun, I love your work, but feel compelled to fill in some blanks in the narrative:
from wikipedia:
I also recommend Bresenski’s The Grand Chessboard, for those seekers of understanding.
Hello all. Nice to see all my pals…Thanks!
You tll me…*g*
Try Peter Dale Scott’s The Road To 911… dark side indeed.
I thought we all could use a primer, in case Iraq has made forget a few thing about them “”terrists…
OT.. this is cute:
Mayor Michael Bloomberg has unleashed another flurry of jabs on Washington, ridiculing the federal government’s rebate checks as being “like giving a drink to an alcoholic” on Thursday, and said the presidential candidates are looking for easy solutions to complex economic problems.
The billionaire and potential independent presidential candidate also said the nation “has a balance sheet that’s starting to look more and more like a third-world country.”
That Tidbit would be Yours to Blog upon. :)
Bio!
A much need “Brief History”. Difficult task, but You did it.
I took notes, while reading. Anyone else.
Bunches of stuff I want to say….thus, the notes I took, may help me.
Artifical and ineffective boundaries….sorta reminds me of some other place in that region….more to come on that, I’m sure.
Also, So All of those folks threw in their chips against the Soviet Union, without really understanding what the situation on the ground, politically, theosophically and economically, was about. But, the Soviets in the end, bowed to the united front.
Who could have imagined that we were part of a global front in that region, for our own gain and not caring a Nit about the Afgains, which left them vulnerable to the fundamentalist Talabans? Who?
But, you were saying?
Sure thing, go for it…
Oh boy, I could use that edit function right now…
I remember in 1980 the remnants of some commie outfit marching around in front of the University of Illinois Union with signs that said “Hail the Red Army in Afghanistan” and “Crush Islamic Resistance”. Wonder what they are doing these days?
So we have spent like a trillion bucks now to smoke em out cause the towers fell. And we need to smoke em out for another 100 years?
Wow way cool. We are really able to kick ass ain’t we?
How anyone can buy any of this crap is beyond me.
It’s so transparent that it’s all about MONEY and OIL and EMPIRE.
And, here’s an apple for the professor.
No worms.
Best article I ever read on U.S. in Afghanistan
http://www.exile.ru/articles/d…..LOCK_ID=35
Here’s a sample to whet your appetite (BTW, War Nerd, Gary Brecher, is the best military analyst I read, and his high irrevernce is his most endearing feature.)
Biodun, I’ve got a pretty decent vocabulary going here, but I swear I have to look up one or more words in every one of your posts.
I say, thanks! :)
So I did…my bad…that was particularly disgusting, doing that…
And then those meanie
IraqisAfghanisSaudis, Yemeni, and Egyptians attacked us, so we attacked the Afghanis and the Iraqis. See. It all makes sense.Say wha?????
Yeah. More wars please.
If they’re looking for work…I hear there are some openings….*g*
LOL!
Richmond is the prof…I dropped out and became a refugee from academia… (Or did you mean Richmond to begin with…*g*)
Biodun does have a fabulous vocabulary, that’s for sure.
Great post, Biodun.
hahahahaahaaha that’s telling it like it is or was. Good catch.
Technically Al Qaida didn’t exist during the war. It was created as a sort of Mujahideen “Veterans Support” organization. The VA for those who were injured, or the widows and orphans of those fighters killed in the jihad against the Soviets.
Bin Laden was brought in to build the Mujahideen sanctuaries in the Southern Mountains of the country…tunnel-systems capable of withstanding heavy bombing from Soviet fighter-bombers and attacks from their helicopters. He also increasingly handled the logistics of getting weapons and supplies to the fighters. He was sent in and funding directly by the Saudis, but supported and funded secondarily by the CIA via Pakistan Intelligence (the ISA). In some ways bin Laden is the Eisenhower of the mujahideen. He later turned that organizational capability to create al Qaida. And like many Islamic welfare organizations, it created a devoted following which were available when it shifted its focus from dealing with the Soviet infidel, to the Western infidels.
It’s dubious whether bin Laden ever dealt directly with the CIA…his primary contacts were in the ISI. In fact, the previous ISI Director was supposedly bin Laden’s handler, as well as the handler of the Pashtun religious leader who is reportedly involved in her assassination. And Benazir Bhutto was incensed when this General was initially assigned to be in charge of her security when she returned to Pakistan.
Being kool-aid drinkers, methinks they must be republikans now.
That was heartbreaking to watch.
I think Biodun probably put in a good amount of effort on this.
It’s tought stuff.
Thank you so much to Jane and Bio for putting out the effort to educate us. To widen our understanding of the underlying issues in this.
Bloomberg’s tidbit can wait a few, can’t it?
No offense, meant. Just wanted to lift up the importance of taking a few to consider other stuff.
the buddah smiled, he said, “don’t fetishize me” (it did piss me off)
Woohoo Jane is in the house!
Sorry about that…that’s the way I write, a hybrid of academia and journalism. But I’m working hard toward the latter…maybe I’ll get some help from Jane and Christy!
This has something to do with all of this too:
http://www.savethefalcons.org/home.aspx
The law of unintended consequences is always active, but the neocons
truly believe the laws of history do not affect them, Trotskyites to
the bone even as they work for Bushco and Murdoch… hell to pay.
Thanks, Jane!
See my 48…*g*
Nah, I love it. Hell, I talk that way – drives my friends nuts.
Another great post, Biodun.
Tribal divisions ( such as the Pashtun divided between Afghanistan and Pakistan) were a common result of European colonialism at its height. Areas were mapped out by the colonialists with no regard for the local political and ethnic consequences. The results of this short-sighted policy are various conflicts throughout the developing world, most notably in Africa.
LOL back at ‘ya. I am more often the worm in the apple!
Now this is in no way critical but this article by Patricia Limerick is really fun. Especially the part about the buzzards and Hud.
Dancing with professors: the trouble with academic prose
Each one of us has our own voice.
Jane and Christy are remarkable in their own.
Stick to your own voice, Bio.
We need it.
No watering down needed. I say, anyway. *g*
People here are smart. Maybe they need to chew on the intellectual bones you’ve tossed out to us.
Perhaps, with some of these More Intellectual Posts, we can have a wrap-up later…as in, some folks who are at work right now may read this and we can all have a dust-up later?
Jane?
Are the northern alliance nothing more than protection rackets and drug cartels?
You forgot all the poppy biz. And the fact that the CIA and Turkish military is moving all the heroin from Afghanistan.
Short round
Dancing with professors: the trouble with academic prose
Hey, the link thin ain’t workin
http://trc.ucdavis.edu/bajaffe…..ancing.htm
If you all refresh page, I’ve edited to include Taliban blowing up the Buddhas…
Thanks much, GregB!!!
The amount of cash in those poppies is drowning the CIA in drool.
They are the drug dealers to the world, don’t forget.
And SanderO!
Of course the refined Taliban helped to pillage the Afghanistan seed banks as well.
if you all refresh again, I’ve edited to include SanderO in H/T for blowing up the Buddhas…This is the last edit I hope…the clever editors out there…kudos all…
Look what someone wrote at HuffPo
Reaganomics, tricklenomics, Iran Contra scandal, BCCI scandal, Savings & Loans scandal, Bush 1, amnesty for illegals, $70 billion in bribes thru the UN for Gulf War 1, Clintonomics, NAFTA, GATT, WTO, capital gains cuts to 15%, Telecommunications Bill of 1996, Mexican and NY bank bailouts of $50 billion plus, bought bribed & paid off failed health care reform, impeachment for lying under oath, Bush 2, tax cuts for the rich getting richer, higher property taxes in the states as a result, suspicious 911, invaded Afghanistan for gas lines for oil companies, more tax cuts for the rich getting richer, Iraq War 2 for PNAC crowd (many in his White House staff), 20 million more illegal aliens drawing off the social services, property taxes go higher again to pay for it, more free trade deals to send productivity and jobs overseas, more work visas to bring in guest workers to dilute the jobs of the middle class (ask my brother, an out of work computer programmer), bankrupting the US government to finance the military complex and endless wars for endless profits (prophets?), K street lobbyists totally taking over representative government in Washington, DC.
If this hasn’t been a recipe for disaster for the US and the middle class, please tell me what is. Our government, to the educated, has become nothing more than a Vegas style holding company for elite insiders and criminal enterprises.
But don’t forget, Hillary and Bill Clinton feel your pain while they take their big bucks to the bank from those very same elites and criminal enterprises. For a couple that was deeply in debt when Bill left office, to now having over $50 million since Jr has been in office…
OK, and demi:
I’ll stick with my own voice…style is organic anyway, a mixture of biology and the forms of language…rhetorical devices and such, like prolepsis…*g*
Thanks!
Ack!
707!!
You forgot that they caused the crash of the Hindenburg. /s
I really think you would enjoy the essay too.
a thousand splendid points of light.
Now I hope you’re all enjoying the cruise and the primer–there’ll be test later…
Profs in the house: Get ready!
In ordinary life, when a listener cannot understand what someone has said, this is the usual exchange:
Listener: I cannot understand what you are saying.
Speaker: Let me try to say it more clearly.
But in scholarly writing in the late 20th century, other rules apply. This is the implicit exchange:
Reader. I cannot understand what you are saying.
Academic Writer. Too bad. The problem is that you are an unsophisticated and untrained reader. If you were smarter, you would understand me.
The exchange remains implicit, because no one wants to say: “This doesn’t make any sense,” for fear that the response, “It would, if you were smarter,” might actually be true
ah, les milles lumieres… comme dit Gilles Deleuze : Mille Plateaux...
You make a very good point. It is unfortunately very common in Marxist texts…
mille lumieres…
Always appreciate your topics, Biodun -
Karsai has nothing to lose. If not in luxury quarters surrounded by troops to protect him (other people’s troops), he would be living in a small flat in London on a meager income. Now he gets to pocket several million dollars for when he exits. What a deal!
In the meantime, the US and its provincial reality, ignores the fact that Afghanistan and its War Lords predate Adam and Eve. We will be in the dustbin of history and the War Lords will still be in control of their territories.
But not so fast QuakerGirl, the US military has added a new secret weapon – anthropologists (or some facsimile thereof) that will add to our bag of tricks to pull on the ignorant savages. Did I mention that when we pulled the anthropology stunt in Vietnam and Thailand all that happened was legitimate anthropologists got shot at by villiagers and tribal people?
Emeritus prof at my school told me ” by the time we seminar them into
a phd in acedemic prose we find they cannot write anymore, hence the
popularity of historical fiction or non-phd works.” The academy hated
Barbara Tuchman because she wrote bestsellers and did not have a phd.
His advice was to cultivate poetry to retain your own voice in prose.
It’s actually not MY point. I just hope people will read about the buzzards wired to the tree limb in Hud and the relationship to academic writing.
Or, maybe we don’t have to be So Smart. Maybe we just have to be quiet, and listen. And then, pause, think and reflect for a moment.
Which is an inherent problem with this internet thingy.
Instant gratified-comment-response.
Do you think so?
OK god yes, in Adult Ed they hate Gail Sheehy. When I wrote my dissertation about high school GED grads I wanted them to be able to understand what I was saying.
the way this reads, I’m thanking GregB and SanderO for blowing up the Buddhas…*g*
maybe, maybe not can I get back to you on that?
(and I want everyone to realize, maybe is already maybe not)
I see it now. Hadn’t gotten into your second reading assignment of the day, Professor. ;)
I said that in the body of thee post..reread it.
It is said that Shakyamuni’s last dying words to his disciples were, “Be a lamp unto yourselves.” Be your own light, your own authority, your own Buddha. Kill off every image of the Buddha, see who and what you are in this very moment, see that there is no Buddha other than THIS MOMENT
Thank you Perris.
I’ve always admired the people who said, Let me think about that….
:)
I am, like, so embarassed!
If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him.
Don’t be, it’s all in fun…
Like, there’s already so much in my head right now, and you’ve got me thinking about Existentialsm.
This Magic Moment!
I like to drag out my OED, part of the fun of this blog.
What’s OED?
Reminder to all:
A primer is always a quick cruise, whether for first graders or grad students or bloggers…
Oxford English Dictionary..
Are you refering to the “EPU” ?
I’ll bite, Oxford English Dictionary.
A primer is always a quick cruise…
there’s a Larry Craig joke in there somewhere.
too late…*g*
Obsessive Expressive Disorder?
This Magic Momement
Softer than a summer night
you can say that again. Can’t wait for the Rethugs to fly into town for their convention in August and go by that famous bathroom at Minneapolis-St. Paul (MSP)International Airport…
Oh, that OED. Sorry, I wasn’t taking notes.
And…not biting. Only nibbles. :
Precisely, my dear valentine.
So, what have we learned about jumping into someone else’s history?
What have we learned about spending a lot of our money on someone else’s something without studying their background, their ideology, and taking the time to consider the effects of such action?
Sorta, but not all the way only, rhetorical question.
rut ro
Watch this YouTube video of discussion of Taliban Resurgence in Afghanistan.
The origin of the Durrand Line dates back to the 1878-1880 period, and it represents two things. The British considered it the NW limit of British India, and with agreement with the Russians, the extent of a sphere of influence. However the Durrand Line — named for Dr. Mortimer Durrand who surveyed it, actually represented the extent of Sikh Conquests of the Pashtoon Tribes — prior to the British wars with the Sikh states — meaning that the Brits accepted Sikh claims to their reach as the British India line.
Afghanistan has never accepted the Durrand Line. In fact, Afghanistan voted against Pakistan’s admission to the UN in 1947 on the grounds it included Pashtoon lands that belonged to Afghanistan. In otherwords officially Afghanistan claims all Pashtoon lands that were conquered by the Sikhs and subsequently conquered by the Brits, and then transferred to Pakistan with Partition of British India. Get that — Eventually we will get back to what the various gods awarded to which tribe…..!!!!
One aspect of Afghanistan’s recent history that has not received much attention is how the Sino-Soviet Conflict played out in Afghanistan during the 1970’s and early 80’s. In SE Asia during the 70’s the Chinese and Soviet Communist Parties supported different communist parties — the Soviets supported Marxist-Leninist parties, and financially supported them from Moscow, but the Chinese supported Maoist movements, and these competed with each other. It shows up in India, and it was also true in Afghanistan. Because the Soviet papers have not yet been opened on this, we really don’t know how much the Sino-Soviet conflict played in the Soviet decision to invade in 1979. Indian historians believe it was very important. Officially the record does not show early consultation between China and the US on this issue — but clearly the US was very interested in the Sino-Soviet border disputes of that era. Pakistan, of course, has always understood Afghanistan as “strategic depth” in case of an attack by India, and it has always thus wanted to keep Afghanistan weak. Pakistan since the 1950’s has had fairly deep relations with China, and played on the India-China border dispute. During the Cold War, India and the USSR had very close relations — arms trade, friendship treaties, and India was granted CONCOM trading rights, giving India access to the Soviet and E. European Markets. I would suggest all this stuff has to be in mind when assessing how the decision to support Afghan Tribals in 1979 was made in Washington.
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Easy…*g*
” Boy you been ruttin’ on my daughtah?”
FDL has some wonderful interesting ideas on it’s pages. I learn a lot here and get to spout my crazy ideas.
I like to see the creative energy of the pups come up with some new ways to use the net to raise consciousness on the world beyond the FDL’s shores.
How can we penetrate the minds of the congress critters?
How can we get the MSM to take some the left bloggers more seriously and report our “content”? How?
Durrand Line
Durand Line…
he Durand Line is named after Sir Mortimer Durand,
Fucking hilarious.
That would be negative
Why are we interested in tribal fights for land?
Or is it something about the land that interests us?
It’s not the people. I don’t see us dropping schools, we drop bombs.
And I’m hungry like a wolf
Agree with you completely. I’ve said here again and again that FDL is an online think tank.
Jane Hamsher started a wonderful thing here…no question about it..
I zed you Biodun, then read I confess. I really enjoy the far ranging discussions you inspire for this liberal arts arabist.
Europe has an old history of disregarding other cultures and dehumanizing people different from themselves. We were settled by them and continue this practice. We have nice names for it like: provincial. Basically, you only have an inkling about your own immediate neighborhood. When I lived in villages in Asia I came across the same attitude. The major difference is they bring more harm to themselves unlike the US. We grab for destructable weapons to continue the extermination practice we had against the Indians.
People don’t change. They finally selfdestruct.
Really excellent questions.
We keep doing what we’re doing.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Tenacity.
And, sometimes Shouting and Faxing and Marching…
Good on ya!
Hey LS..we meet yet once again…
Darn,
wish I had an epu topic to enlighten.
Thanks, Jim…
Expansion and empire has always been for wealth.
One could perhaps imagine going out to conquer for some basic necessity… food, water, and now fuel.
But mostly it’s done for wealth, gold, cheap labor.
We had/have a pretty rich country which could sustain itself… if if if. But the empire acquire meme is too well entrenched in the american psyche. So we war and kill for empire and wealth.
Um, where’s the metonymy?
Couple more links
Narcotecture in Afghanistan (slideshow)
and
Reagan and the Taliban (larger pic)
The whole madness of the US foreign policy and “strategic Interests” is that are not the interests of the people.
These so called “US strategic Interests” are nothing more than control of energy and access to markets.
I have no interest in Sudan, Afghanistan, China or Columbia.
IIRC there were several rapid changes of Afghan governments just prior to the Soviet invasion, one of which established relations with Moscow which used the relationship as foundation of Moscow’s installation of a client government after their invasion of Afghanistan.
The Taliban, once it was in control of the country, did eliminate all poppy production in Afghanistan and brought opium production to a halt. It only resumed under US and their puppet’s control
The Taliban just prior to the US bombing and invasion, had offered to surrender OBL to a neutral third country for trials. This offer was met with complete silence by Washington and the media. The offer was transmitted through the UN, IIRC. The archives of The Irish Times of the period have a wealth of reported information that was unreported in the US.
Whatever the British and the Soviets did in Afghanistan affected US policy and what the US also did there. That’s the metonymy…
ummm….in the madness?
I owe you a coke.
Sort of.
Kinda the same answer?
Don’t say it.
I am. Fucking hilarious.
one example…whatever the Big Dawg says or does in this election cycle will affect Hillary’s campaign…So you can blame Hillary for ever Bubba says or does–by metonymy. You’re talking to an English major here whose first job in publishing was editing grammar books…
{{{demi}}}
Bass Dude!
Actually during the period between WWII and 1972 (overthrow of the Afghan Monarchy in a Coup) we did drop schools, roads, electrical grids, industry and all on Afghanistan. We had an informal agreement with the USSR that they would do development work in the North, we would do it in the South. We put Peace Corps in in 1963 (part of my interest in Afghanistan stems from administering the training of the first group of PCV’s going to Afghanistan in Summer 1962), and during the Eisenhower Administration we built the road from Kabul to Kandahar and over to Herat. We built dams for irrigation and electric generation, schools, an ag. training college, and quite a few schools. Peace Corps built and staffed High Schools.
Before the Iranian Revolution we saw these projects as creating the basis for madern commerce between Iran and Pakistan, creating the basis for Afghanistan commercial exports to Iran, the Gulf States and Pakistan. Products were raw cotton, hides and leather coats, dried fruits, nuts, some beef and dairy products, melons, grapes — some gems, Crafts. All this market was lost with the Iranian Revolution. In the North, the Soviet’s invested in natural gas exported to the USSR, and grain crops, particularly wheat. They also built schools, several medical schools, ag technology schools, and of course local schools. In otherwords, from the late 40’s till 1972, Afghanistan got a good deal of foreign aid and technical assistance.
Awesome context, Sara. Thank you.
ditto x2!!
Well, that was peace corps mentality. I recall something like “foreign aid” as a concept and it was humanitarian stuff.
But now I believe most foreign aid is for weapons purchases and large infrastructure projects contracted to western (US) companies… a way to get money to Bechtel by forcing (giving/lending) it to foreign governments to spend with US companies.
We seem to have moved to a militarist foreign policy now and rather then advance the third world, we just want to get at their goodies. Screw the peasants.
Sara, you are a wealth of information. Is this your profession?
A keeper at the lake: “I zed you.” Anyone know when the zeds started? It used to be zip. Not to blow my own horn, but I remember looking at the key board in the rough old competitive days when Biodun was a “player” in the game of “firsts” and I thought, jeez, zed is quicker to write than zip. Maybe someone was doing it earlier too, but…. Now, just to be ornery I will put ! instead of either.
Any, late Friday, beer time, and now for a contest. Everyone has to try to read Biodun’s title 4 times in a row fast without messing up. If you screw up you get to have a beer and then try again. We can see where people are at 9:00 with this.
The Foreign Aid of the period before 1972 was cold war competition with the USSR. In Afghanistan it wasn’t military aid — it was about which system could extend the better technical assistance, and the Afghani’s were great at playing the US and USSR against each other. The Soviets didn’t want us on their southern border, so they invested in the North. They also had fears that Uzbek and Tajik tribes — many of whom had counterparts over the border in the USSR, and many in Afghanistan were actually refugees from the Civil Wars in the Soiviet Union in the 1920’s, would destabalize territory in the USSR.
For our part, we didn’t want the Soviets on the border with Iran or Pakistan. Thus the fairly elaborate technical assistance. There are always complex reasons behind these sorts of decisions.
And, they are trying to get scholars and others to report back to the CIA. That helps to win hearts and minds.
It seems to me a huge part of what Afganistan is about and, why it would be so hard to tame, is the fact that they grow much of the world’s poppy crop used to make heroine. I wonder how growing a plant that is so harmful to humans fits in with strict Sharia law? The huge amount of money the war lords make from growing poppies and the lack of finding an alternative money crop for Afgans to grow let alone the implications of stamping out poppy growing would have on the rest of the world is missing from this conversation.
Opium Poppy cultivation is long established in Afghanistan, though by no means the volume you see now. Both Pakistan and the former Soviet states benefit from the Heroin Processing and trade — they process it in labs — in Pakistan the labs were built by the Corsican Experts who lost out in the French Connection take-down, and the labs are owned by former military and ISI people who get the benefit of the large middle-man commissions. In the former Soviet Union the transit is controlled by their mobs, they move the product to Moscow, and E Europe and probably to Western Europe now. Pakistan moves it on freighters out of Karachi. To take it down, you have to have collaboration of all these states to take down the system. Iran seems to be fairly successful, they just hang anyone found with Heroin. But Iran in the last few years has also acquired an addiction problem, so even Law and Order has its limits.
That’s just the problem. The decisions were made by Europe/Soviet specialists with little or no input from
the Asia staffs ay State, they had been purged from the 50’s up. Too much reliance on the East European
refugee mentality for good process in West Asia, India, ME affairs… too much reliance on third country intel
skewed to suit agendas not our own.
Biodun,
Good to see you up top again. Thanks for this perspective on Pakistan’s ‘wild, wild West’.
Oh, and BTW, that’s a doozy of a lead sentence :-)
Bob in HI
I think that it is important to recognize the local origin of the Taliban.
I think of the Taliban as a kind of Afghani/Pakistani equivalent to the “Rednecks” of the American West. Almost all sources acknowledge that the Taliban are strongly Pashtun, and in the border country, you just can’t get any more local than that. So we can forget about “removing the Taliban.” It ain’t gonna happen, any more than you can remove the rednecks from Wyoming (or Texas, or Arizona,…)
The best way, long term, to deal with the Taliban is to provide more and better educational opportunities in the area. There is no system of “higher education” in the border country, and not all that much lower education, either. That means that both Pakistan and Afghanistan have essentially abdicated any responsibility for educating the next generation of residents. This leaves education in the hands of the local mullahs. The Koran is the basic textbook, and the local mullahs give it their own spin, which is usually saturated with xenophobia. Bin Laden would stick out like a sore thumb there– except that he’s married into the local clans (yes, that is plural, and yes, he is polygamous). He’s stuck with them, and they’re stuck with him.
Of course, you can’t just send a bunch of Rhodes Scholars into the villages of Waziristan. We need to support centers of higher learning in border towns like Quetta (in Pakistan) and Kandahar (in Afghanistan), being careful to not try to do too much too fast. Emphasize the development of skills and trades that are locally useful, as well as literacy. Use Paolo Freire’s approach. If we put just half the dollars we put onto bombs into education, instead, it would make a huge difference.
Question: How many teachers could you pay for a year in the border towns for the cost of ONE American bomb of the size and throw weight typically used in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Bob in HI
If we peel back the whole GWOT overlay, the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan reveal themselves for what they are: the titanic clash of Oil Giants coopting State powers and vying for control of our planet’s oil — “market penetration” by military means (nothing new).
The real, true “strategic” objectives in Iraq and Afghanistan:
- de-nationalize their oil industries
- expel “foreign suitors”
- hand-over control to “our” Giants (and their related service and subsidiary companies: Exxon, BP, Haliburton, Bechtel, etc., etc.)
Unravel the tapestry of lies in which these military conquests are cloaked, and examine how control of oil (Iraq) and “the pipeline” (Afghanistan) has changed as a consequence.
This (latest) US/British conquest Iraq, in particular, then reveals itself for what it is: one of the biggest armed robberies in all of human history (the biggest, thus far, of this nascent new century).
see:
Terrorized by “War on Terror,” by Zbigniew Brzezinski
The So-Call “War on Terror,” by Richard Behan
Crude Designs, by Greg Muttitt
Slick Connections, by Erik Leaver and Greg Muttitt
Cheney’s Energy Task Force
The White House Iraq Group
p.s. Google: “Bridas, Unocal, Afghanistan”
Nice to see you in the comments. Just a heads up that the spam filters will trip up comments with numerous links. Next time, you might want to split that many links into several comments.
Thanks.
No mention of the opium fields…almost completely extinct under Taliban rule and booming after the US invasion.
I’m not sure what “…instead of exposing it to the killing (of mostly American lives) fields and deserts of Iraq–and of Afghanistan.” means. Mostly Iraqi lives, it seems to me…
thank you, RBG!
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follow-on:
Just as McCain is catching flak, in some quarters, for his “anti-torture” rhetoric; as there is a political block in this country that is “down” with torture — so, too, many are tacitly “down” with the unvarnished oil-grab aims of Bush/Cheney & Company.
“So we had to launch an aggressive war (”the supreme international crime”) — with as many as one million dead; several million “displaced;” a-trillion-dollars-and-counting spent — in order to maintain our lighted, heated, TV-watching, web-surfing, SUV-driving, plastic-and-pesticide-laden lifestyle. So what?”
Metonymy: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metonymy
Not close to what you wrote or to what was written, is it?
From your own link:
My bold.