In any event, a McCain gerontocracy will feature a Democratic Congress with bigger majorities, so the disaster would be mitigated.

Ted, my brother. Sorting through the vitriol and obscenities in your response to my post on disenfranchisement of Dem voters in Fla and Mi, I can’t seem to find a response to the root question–what do you say to millions who chose to vote that day, and who had no say in when their primary would be held. What kind of strategy for victory in the fall is thumbing your nose at voters in two key states? BTW, check your facts on whether Hillary every agreed to disenfranchisement of these voters. I believe you will find that she agreed to not campaign in those states, period.

What I would say, Douglas is that they vent their frustration at the polls at the state representatives, party leaders, and the Senators and Representatives from Florida and Michigan who caused the problem by egotistically trying to butt up in line.

And in the future what I would say is that they support rotating regional primaries where several states vote in an orderly fasion so the problem isn’t repeated.

Clinton agreed that the delegates in Florida and Michigan wouldn’t be seated as well as not to campaign, but it’s nothing new for a Clinton to lie and change the facts when and where it suits them.

That’s what the meaning of is is, and blowjobs aren’t sex–they’re a seminar on the World bank.

Congratulations, tanbark, you managed to get every fact wrong. Clinton never promised to take her name off the Michigan ballot. That was a decision Obama made on his own. Face it, he got bad advice and got outmaneuvered. Despite what Obama supporters like to think, the Clinton campaign does have some idea what they’re doing.

Congratulations Chris O. According to the pledge Clinton was a liar. This is a steady state for both Clintons however, who have been caught lying to the public for the last 20 years.

From Howard Wolfson after Clinton’s butt was stomped in South Carolina (in order to complete in Iowa and New Hampshire, all candidates had to pledge not to campaign in Florida):

“Regardless of today’s outcome, the race quickly shifts to Florida, where hundreds of thousands of Democrats will turn out to vote on Tuesday. Despite efforts by the Obama campaign to ignore Floridians, their voices will be heard loud and clear across the country, as the last state to vote before Super Tuesday on February 5.”

“Efforts by the Obama campaign to ignore Floridians”? He means the pledge they both made. When someone breaches a contract, they aren’t out manuevering the other side. They’re breaching the contract. If you want to talk manuevering, Clinton is getting out campaigned and losing. Obama is surging and Clinton is desparate with the wheels coming off her campaign.

I think she’s headed for the poster person for “National Clap Your Hands Day.”

There’s no particular brain power or innovation in breaking a contract.

The Democratic National Committee is pressuring Michigan and Florida to hold Democratic presidential caucuses so the delegates they’ve lost for holding January primaries could be seated at the national convention. Not Obama.

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I don’t see Hillary backers talking about these things…Hmmm….

Perhaps in NM, whoever wins the percentage, it won’t really effect the delegate count, much like NV where Hillary won the percentage but Barack won the delegate count.

Hillary was way up in polls in practically every state less than two months ago before Iowa, where Hillary came in 3rd place. Barack has never finished 3rd. So when Obama campaigns in a state, he wins over people in large numbers, so if he started campaigning in MI and FL it’s likely the delegate difference would be minor. Regardless, TPM had vote totals up yesterday that showed even right now, if you add in the votes as is from MI and FL, Obama still leads in total votes cast.

You said they should be able to raise the money to pay for do-over primaries in these states. Where are people gonna get $10 million for MI and probably 10s of millions more for Florida? Even if there was a reasonable argument to re-do them, which there isn’t in my opinion, there’s no way to find the money to hold a primary.

Let’s just move on. McCandyCain’s out there shoring up his base and saving money, and even got Mittmo’s endorsement today. March 4th will make a lot of this clear.