zed?

We are supporters of Obama. And I am continuing to refrain from attacking Sen. Clinton. But it’s difficult.

Hey Swopa!!

You probably won’t be able to respond to this right now, but I just wanted to say hi and happy trails…

Great post!

We, in this house, think Obama will move quickly to get out of Iraq. And we don’t give a damn about his, or anyone’s religion.

If it’s a matter of trust, we trust Obama to make changes. Rapidly.

“Four More Years!”

Barack Has overcome and overcome and overcome on his way to Head of Harvard Law review. Top of his class, and considered to be the most brilliant law student to graduate Harvard.

He can handle it. We Don’t need to worry our pretty little heads.

Btw, the startling good news is that PAA expires because the house is in recess until after Pres day.

No telco immunity folks….(for now)

Victory is where and when it happens

More substansive comment: I worry about how Obama will handle it when the GOP attack machine gears up.

If they find true or true enough dirt, they’ll feed it to McBush’s folks. If they can’t prove it, but like the sound of it anyway it’ll still slither out. Just in a manner to keep the GOPs hands nominally clean.

I haven’t seen anyone associated with Obama who’d be expert in preparing for this, though those folks tend to work in the background. I hope he has someone.

He could defuse a lot of the upcoming attacks by choosing a Sec Defense and a Sec State early on. If he picks well, that’ll help a lot.

Boxturtle (Bill Clinton for UN!)

Romney and McCain at their news conference today in unison, “The democrats want to surrender, the Democrats want to surrender in Iraq. The Democrats are fighting!” Do they think this is really going to work for them this time around?

Breathless Blitz saying they’ll announce the NM results shortly….

I’m starting to take you literally! *g

We think Obama can handle McCain.

I know I will get beaten up for this, but here goes, IMHO the Obama adulation reminds me of the starry eyed fans of David Cassidy in the 70’s.

16 years of Democrats. Beginning next January.

I’m late, I’m late, for this very important date, no time to say hello, goodbye, I’m late, I’m late, I’m late.

Okay. Lunch with political friend. Wired. She’s one of the very few HC supporters I know personally. I sat through a long monologue about Obama’s feel-good speechifying. And though I am supporting him (by default, given Edwards’ decision, and now Edwards is thinking of endorsing HC, wtf???), I agree that it’s time for Obama to launch some specifics.

I’m sure he’s been waiting for my blessing to do so.

it is a question of image, but I think putting the two of them next to each other on tv will settle a lot of the question. McCain is just gonna look like the has-been …

Or maybe the Bill Clinton supporters in 1992.

-G

I wouldn’t dream of beating you up. ;0)

Of course they’re saying that now. What else do they have?

lol! well said.

Or Ned Lamont supporters in 2006.

-G

One thing missing here is that Hillary, for all her experience and history has so much more out there that she can be attacked with, so already there is a disequilbrium. Frankly I have been very impressed with how Obama has handled it so far. After Jewish criticism of him he spoke out publicly in church to a largely black audience condemning anti-Semitism -and homophobia, largely dissipating this issue (Jewish leaders came out in turn to condemn the emails being circulated). In the aftermath of the racist innuendo by people in the Clinton camp (and Bill himself), Obama said, that as far as he was concerned there had been no racism, essentially mitigating that. I short, Obama seems to have responded to things not just quickly (or through counter attack) but in ways that show character, strength, and the moral high ground.

Kiddo, your forebearance becomes you; no sense wasting breath and insight.

However, it might serve the country well should you begin to address Obama, leading him into the righteousness of an FDR-like appreciation of what Democrats once stood for and, in future, must needs become.

You are truly most-effective when positively asserting your humane and compelling sense of justice, decency, compassion and truth.

For which attributes, you are greatly here esteemed.

NM caucus results pending.

Northern Illinois University, outside of Chicago — 18 shot, sketchy details

ADD: DeKalb Campus

Romney and McCain at their news conference today in unison, “The democrats want to surrender, the Democrats want to surrender in Iraq. The Democrats are fighting!” Do they think this is really going to work for them this time around?

and to that there is PERFECT response and I give full rights to whoever wants to use it;

“what is McCain talking about, there is no surrender here, this is not our war, this is the war of George bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of the neo cons

we can’t possibly surrender in Iraq because there is no war there, there is an occupation that has been perpetrated on us by this administration and it will be those people that failed, America cannot surrender in Iraq and we REFUSE to commit the lives of our young in the armed forces to a war that was contrived from lies and deception”

now, that could use an edit because I put it together as I typed but that is the method to get right back at these murdering morons

Or McGovern supporters in 1972.

-G

McCain is perhaps the new leader of the ‘over the hill gangsters’. He does appear a trifle dated. To us in this home.

Oh, no. No, no, no.

Good God. This is now happening weekly.

-G

Excerpt from ABC News:

DeKalb, IL (WLS) — Several people were taken by ambulance from NIU after reports of a shooting on the Dekalb campus. The extent of injuries is not known.
An alert was posted on the website of Northern Illinois University Thursday afternoon indicating a report of a possible gunman on campus.
Unconfirmed initial reports indicate that three people were shot, one of whom appears to be the gunman. According to the school newspaper’s website, the gunman is dead.
There are also reports that others may have been injured by flying glass during the shooting. Several were taken away by ambulances.

I intend to do just what you suggest. We are not only in the same library, in the same book, on the same page, but we seem to be moving around in the same sentence. I have been waiting for the right moment to begin this task. ;0)

Not incidentally, my lady has read your comment too. And she approves. okk

Hello DW

L.

NM caucus announcement:

Accuracy more important than speed, thanking campaign reps for Obama and Clinton. Chair of Democratic party of New Mexico seizing the moment to prattle on a bit… 17,000 provisional votes… including Republicans, Independents and Greens and… Bull Moose Party…. Our message, we welcome you to participate on November 4. Sending a message of historic proportions…. regardless of your background, you too can grow up to be President of the United States. Largest voter turnout in decades…. over 158,000 people. One of slimmest margins of victory.

Winner is: Total votes cast: 149,779

Obama– 71,396 / Edwards–2157 / Dodd–81 / Kuchinich 574 / Richardson — 1305 / Biden–122 / Clinton 73,105

So much of our society needs repair after so many years of Republic rule.

Gunman at NIU armed with pistol and shotgun is dead. No details.

A Truck Load of Dirt, Versus a Busload of Faith

shouldn’t that be “versus a bush load

…reminds me of the starry eyed fans of David Cassidy in the 70’s.

now there’s an idea for running mate…

And, It’s Not a Truck!

OT, but when they try to shoot down this satellite and miss, how will they spin that? not like the anti-missile tests where they can fake it …

Stevens will never live down that “series of tubes” comment, will he? But then, that’s the least of his worries now…

”…Perhaps more importantly, connecting his candidacy with the specific agenda of problems America needs solved…”

Didn’t he offer a bunch of that in his Janesville speech yesterday?
And he has been offering a specific agenda for months, but the press hasn’t been paying attention. Everyone seems more interested in those ”lofty words,”

Bob in HI

O/t -

Keith has a special comment planned for tonite…..ENJOY!

Ah, released from the ether myths of time, and back on ‘track’.

Hello, Lahoma.

Always a pleasure to ’see’ you.

And Kiddo, I’m verra pleased to wander around in the same vicinity. Looking forward to your Obama-directed comments and encouragements.

I, for one, am very glad he made that speech. :)

On this very subject (tho I don’t think this is a permanent link; if so look on left sidebar for this title):
Clinton’s past is not through haunting her

“Goopers have LEFT the building”

Gooper congresscritters stage a walkout in protest of the contempt of congress charges and leveled against Clusterfuck enablers- they’re also pissed that the house won’t pass their amnesty bill.

Clinton -channeling Edwards…?

Barack Has overcome and overcome and overcome on his way to Head of Harvard Law review. Top of his class, and considered to be the most brilliant law student to graduate Harvard.

How did he vote on FISA and immunity?

*hands pie to peanut*

Obama seems to have responded to things not just quickly (or through counter attack) but in ways that show character, strength, and the moral high ground.

Teh funny.

It was Obama supporters who, after Iowa, charged his opponents with being racist. He never came out against that. He stayed silent. No character whatsoever.

No question Obama is brilliant. I also don’t really doubt that his heart’s in the right place. But accomplishing anything remotely approximating change is going to be a slug-fest.

Imagine that you’re a party in a lawsuit. The lawyer on the other side is a no-holds barred asshole of the first degree with a raft of tricks up his sleeve and a client with an open checkbook. Who do you choose to represent you? – The battle-tested, savvy and fully competent veteran who has dealt with this guy before – and knows all his tricks. Or the brilliant scholar and orator who is above the fray. For me, that’s no contest.

Obama hasn’t had to handle anything yet. I really wish there were more elbows thrown to toughen him up before he is picked to be the Democratic nominee. The media has been doing him no favors by sheltering him from criticism. This could turn out very badly.

Perhaps the big money behind the media decided he might be beatable (?)

Or the brilliant scholar and orator who is above the fray.

No black man raised in America is above the fray.

If Hillary is so skilled at handling the BigMedia, why was she so terrible at handling Legz Couric last week on 60 Minutes? She allowed Legz to make her talk about Obama…A LOT…and never turned it back around to herself during those moments. When asked the unbelieveable question about being called “Ms. Fridgedaire” in high school, Hillary laughs and tries to actually answer that question seriously.

This is interviewing 101! She should’ve immediately turned those questions about Barack into why she’s the better choice, and Hillary shoudl’ve told Legz that the other question was completely out of line and sexist, and that she would expect better of someone in Katie’s position, or something to that effect.

From interviews I’ve seen, Obama is much better at thinking on his feet than Hillary (I will say they’ve been pretty even in debates though…)

We think Obama can handle McCain.

Here is how I see the Republican Machine vs Obama

“Clinton -channeling Edwards…?”

This really would be headlines if she means it. After all, the DLC line and Clinton’s campaign have always been aligned with Big Business, haven’t they?

And if this new approach is real, why wasn’t she present and voting to strip Telcom immunity from the Senate’s lousy FISA-gutting bill?

Color me skeptical.

Bob in HI

As a kayaker that picture really scares me.

I was disappointed at the no-show myself, it was a failure to display her convictions on the matter. Realistically, though, would it have changed anything in the actual result?

Shhhhhhhhh…

Yer not supposed to notice that!

Perhaps the big money have noticed that the economy does badly under Republics and decided to regrow the value of their dollars by getting Obama elected.

I would guess this is the result of micro-demographic polling …
the good thing about Clinton is that she’s poll driven and that means we can control her just by winning the public argument. the bad thing about her is that she’s poll driven …

i’ll take either of ‘em.

If Obama had been asked questions that parallel the impertinence and disrespect of the questions leveled at Clinton, it would be interesting to see how he would have handled them.

If Clinton had answered the “fridgedaire” question with anything other than laughter, she would have been accused of having no sense of humor – proving her supposed coldness.

Or the brilliant scholar and orator who is above the fray.

No black man raised in America is above the fray.

frayed not.

Obama is not wet behind the ears. He is streetwise and brilliant. They will throw crap at him, but he’s more than up to it.

Wasn’t he there for the preliminary votes and the last vote wouldn’t have made a difference?

Great photos. We all live in(?) a yellow sea going kayak, right now.

Hope the sharks remain ‘friendly’…

Thanks for the pics, daughter, aged seven, loved them!

“… it’s important for Obama not to become so infatuated with his success that he’s afraid to tie his high-flying rhetoric to specific policy goals.”

Obama’s been more specific lately. See for example this from Matt Yglesias.

Would be nice to think they have that much foresight, but I think they would rather keep their tax cuts…

Somebody told me today that Senator Obama has never had a negative ad run against him. Well, get ready, because if he’s the nominee we will see a lot of that.

Yee Haw! It’s Springer time at Clinton HQ Between Mandy Daddy was Time Magazine Gruenwald and Marky the Pig Penn

I told you today that Clinton ran a negative ad against him starting a couple days ago. It is wasted money she doesn’t have. I’m enjoying the fight between Mandy Gruenwald and Mark Penn though. I never watch Springer, but Clinton is providing a Spring show a day for me. The theme song is that manic hand clapping she does on the stage for several minutes.

Let the fingerpointing begin in the Clinton campaign. She ain’t gonna win by 60-40 in Houston, Dallas, and Austen.

With apologies to Madonna:

Don’t cry for me Argintexas, and Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

The truth is, I never left you.
I eat hot peppers.
I clap my hands.
I do both manically.
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don’t keep your distance

And as for fortune, and as for fame
I never invited them in
Though it seemed to the world they were all I desired

I’ve seen him answer all kinds of sticky questions. This is the guy that over a year ago shut out Fox Newz after their ridiculous “madrassa” stuff (just recently did an interview there again). He was brilliant in handling the flag lapel pin nonsense. Even as Bill O’Loofah was trying to bully he was into an interview, Obama just brushed him off.

People should’ve been doing this stuff years ago. This is how to handle the Noize Machine. Call them out on how ridiculous they are, and do not give them legitimacy. Very refreshing to see someone finally doing it. Hillary is still trying to get Obama to debate on Fox.

i’d disaagree … i don’t think the big money is stupid.
if they’re feeding at the eternal-war, haliburton gravy train, then they’ll keep supporting mcbushain.
if they’re actually trying to compete in the global market, they know more of the same is the end for them.

My choice to be the next president should understand that I am expecting action. I am very much in accord with style, presence and charisma. But I value substance over public relations. I expect a new, ‘new deal’ in the Franklin Delano Roosevelt tradition. I hope this is a clear conceptual perception. I am not looking for another Reid or Pelosi. Or continuation of the “Third Way/DLC”, anti Democratic principles. I am seeking a leader and a doer. A progressive doer, that is. If the job doesn’t get done, I think I can fairly well assure you, that the American voter will determine you to be a ‘one-termer’. You have an historic opportunity Senator Obama. To make peace, to lift up the poor, to help the environment, to sully the propaganda of racism, gender bias, and religious bigotry. You will be given a chance to help people with health care and to provide a new and progressive meaning to ‘education’. And many other fundamental Democratic ideals. Don’t let us down. Don’t blow it. Please.

wildly off topic, but check out watertiger’s brilliant McCain Valentine graphic.

Newest Bush Surrogate Talking Point:

US soldiers need a ‘troop manual’ because they are just a bunch of ignorant 18 year olds who can’t even drink.

CIA torturers are mature, well trained 40 year olds who know how to use Nazi tactics appropriately.

ThinkProgress reporting.

-GSD

Bill Clinton the Bubbah Eruption can swing as mean a Loofah on the Burkle jet with the babes as O’Reilly can any day.

Maybe this is paranoia – but I feel as if we’re being baited into taking a knife to a gun fight. However, shiny, sharp and beautiful the knife might be, it isn’t good enough.

You might be correct…but for a guy who claims such great ‘leadership’ he’s been absent or quiet on many issues which I consider important.

His recent speech against ‘free trade’ was a step in the right direction but….

If he doesn’t start defining himself to the American people clearly, definitely, forthrightly…. McCain will do it for him.

The ‘change’ mantra will not fly in the GE. Not without specifics.

hear hear!

David Cassidy, huh?

As I watch Hillary’s campaign getting close to end (yes, I think she can still win it), I’ve been reminded of another 70s phenomenon, since they’re starting to throw everything they got out there, and it’s the same old song and dance…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

Who is “we”?

I think the change mantra will fly

GE won’t be about specifics, it’ll be about framing.
“Change” changes the terms of the debate. New vs. Old. Hope vs. endless War.

*we* should care about specifics. And we need to work to hold whoever is the nominee to liberal policies.

But the GE will be decided on image, not specifics.

Woaah! The Mittster is giving his full support to McBush, and his little boys are sturdy Chickenhawks like daddy supporting McCain’s son on his way to Iraq.

Jack is in Iraq; and Jimmy is at the naval academy. And Mittsters sons are contributing to the war that is painted on the streets and walls of America by signing daddies American Express Gold.

HAHA!

The other Dr. Rice…Susan Rice, Obama’s foreign-policy adviser is on Tucker now. Quite articulate. She was Undersecretary of State for African Affairs in the Big Dawg’s two administration. No Condi she..

What leads you to think that the American People™ want specifics?

Hope the sharks remain ‘friendly’…

What gets me is that they study Great White Sharks in kayaks ON PURPOSE!

the Bog Dawg’s two administrations…

…the Big Dog’s…

My wife and I.

That depiction goes to the ‘heart’ of St. Valentine McCain; when coupled to the ‘Snuggles’ series, we’ve some images for the ages…

All hail watertiger!!!

Obama’s campaign has spent 25% more on polling than Clinton’s campaign has. Another RW talking point.

So, they must know what they are doing.

The problem with Clinton’s harping on her resiliency w/r/t the Republican Attack Machine is that she hasn’t exactly stood firm. She voted for the war. What they are going to say about the Republicans in a few years is what they are going to say about the (football) Patriots: they were pretty good until somebody punched them in the mouth.

I am sorry to use a violent analogy, but I haven’t found another that expresses my feelings precisely. Yeah, Hillary is still a viable politician in the face of a torrent of unfounded hatred. Neat, and probably someone we needed over the course of these dark years, but that doesn’t put her at the front of the charge now, because the game is not the same now.

Meanwhile, Tucker has it that Nancy Pelosi is thinking about endorsing Obama…Hm…

Give most american voters a specific and they’ll throw up. Wanna hand out a 400 page policy paper on health care? Don’t think so. They just want to have confidence that whichever criminal idiot they vote for “has his/her heart in the right place- and doesn’t get any strange blow jobs or anything kinky.

lmao, u funny, com’mon step it up!

Truly a case of ‘up close, and personal’ for certain.

seriously, think beer.

Too funny, mon vieux…

I think the GE will be framed in the manner that the MSM chooses to frame it. Up to the point the real race begins, they’re willing to have it be all about change. At the point the real race begins, the agenda changes. Suddenly, it’s all about national security again – and tax-cutting. Perhaps people will rebel against that this time and it won’t work. We’ll soon see.

At least Obama is attempting to change things… America could help him out by electing more senators and congressmen along the lines of Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold and Connecticut’s Chris Dodd.

President Obama. Perhaps the most important thing you can do for your country is to turn this nation back to a country ruled by the rule of law. If you fall short in this endeavor, your presidency will be judged a failure.

still about framing and image, not specifics.

We believe that Senator Obama will be our next president.

Lahoma and okk.

No body’s beating you up. In this era of attempted SuperDelegate Stealing, and attempted Michigan and Florida stealing, as we get bent like a pretzel as Jane says.

I always am reminded of this:


Clap Clap Point Point

That has been my stance. Congress is much more important, imho.

One hopes that Clinton does not disgrace herself so badly that she becomes an embarrassment in the Senate, later on.

To be fair; the same may be said of Obama …

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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton finally won the popular vote in New Mexico’s Democratic caucus and picked up one extra delegate Thursday, nine days after Super Tuesday voting ended

There’s some news. ONE DELEGATE!

seriously, think drink beer

fixed your typo tw3k

Say President Obama pulls the troops out of Iraq immediately upon taking office. Iraq falls into uncontrolled war and splits into three fighting territories. Turkey invades Kurdistan; Syria grabs a chunk along its border; the Shiite territories become a client of Iran, along with all their oil. Republicans hang the whole thing around President Obama’s neck — “We were winning, then Obama and the Democrat Party surrender-monkeys lost the war.” What will he do then, besides trot out some finger-pointing rhetoric? I’m curious.

I haven’t seen her anywhere near the Senate.

We are pleased with these endorsements of Sen. Obama:

http://www.mahalo.com/Obama_Endorsements

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com…..s-senator/

Conservative bloggers put on their ‘Offended’ hats Thursday when actress Jane Fonda quoted a crass word for the female anatomy from a monologue she is set to perform on the subject.

The 70-year-old actress is set to perform “a monologue called ‘C$%^’” in an upcoming staging of The Vagina Monologues, she told the Today Show’s Meredith Vieira Thursday. That NBC censors failed to bleep the offending word provoked some think-of-the-children handwringing, especially among conservative commentators.

“Besides her left wing activism, famous North Vietnamese propagandist Jane Fonda spouts foul language on morning network television, when some children almost certainly saw it,” Justin McCarty tsk-tsked on conservative media blog NewsBusters. The blog also ran an uncensored clip of Fonda’s offending dialogue.

Right-wing blogger Michele Malkin didn’t want to miss out on the fun.

“The woman has no class,” Malkin said of Fonda. “You already knew that. But here’s more confirmation. Another reason not to let your children watch TV in the morning.”

[Mod Note; edited. There are some words we just don’t use here. FWIW, links are always helpful.]

Have a margarita and say “Here’s a fine mess GW Clusterfuck got us into.”

The Clintons will try and dumb it down and dumb it town. I see on TPM that the Clintons are now claiming that Obama cannot put food on the table. This an insult. I suspect that Obama’s approach and his appeal is not to dumb it down and at the end of the day, his supporters come in a a significant part from those who are excited by his intelligence and totally bored and put off by the Clintons arogance and endless bullshit. In this respect the Clintons and Bush are an endless tautology.

But, ultimately, she may not have any place else to go. Though I agree, her seat in the Senate must be feeling quite forlorn and even a wee bit chilly of late, Constitutionally speaking …

ty elliott :)

Obama picks up United Food & Commercial Workers endorsement today, and likely SEIU. Two Congressional Black Caucus superdelegates are hinting they will switch to Obama.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..p_more.php

I’m still thinking John Edwards is going to endorse Obama shortly before March 4th to give a boost going into TX and OH, two of Obama’s biggest remaining uphill battles. If he wins either of the biggies and keeps within 10% in the other, it’s probably over. Time tells all!

So apparently you are advocating that Hillary will cautiously engage in the McBush stay in Iraq forever strategy. Lest she be called weak.

Thanks for the fear based scenario.

-G

We (me and Lahoma) remain convinced that an Obama-Clinton combination is a sure winner.

discussion of the trial of the 9/11-ers on NewsHour now

Shuster to return Feb 22nd after “Time Out”.

Margaritas? Now that an idea. ;0)

Obama’s been plenty specific enough. Specifics don’t win general elections, projecting an image of honesty and trustworthiness, along with a soundbite sized grasp of the challenges, does. No one is better than this than Obama. W got away with a false persona that fooled (and/or scared then comforted with his so-called strength) enough low information voters to win, but Barack can do this with his real self.

He has positioned himself to be not only the candidate of change, but as someone who can bring the country together. Therefore, if you oppose him you become the divisive figure, obstructing the furtherance of the common will. Since his programs are mostly progressive, and since the majority of the nation agrees with the progressive agenda by all accounts, the opposition will marginalize itself.

Hillary is like a running back making a surge into the defensive line. She’s strong and will gain a few yards by toughing it out in the face of those huge linemen, but Obama is more like a graceful, slippery speedster making an end run around the line and won’t be touched until he’s several yards deep into the backfield.

It’s OK to be specific as long as you hide the specifics in places no one (especially the press) would never look- like in BOOKS!

you’re asking the wrong guy, I for one don’t think he can “pull out immediately”

but nor can he stay, nor can he draw down ever so slow

he is gonn have to first pre blame whatever happens on bush, call it his war not america’s war

then he’s gonna have to get all the generals on board, he’s gonna have to trot them out and make sure they trash bush for what he has done to our military

the entire blame for war has to go to bush, any success from withdrawal will go to obama

On FISA he voted against immunity . you should know that.
He’s on our side, MarkH.
Hilary was there and did not vote.
whose side is she on?

She did not even vote present.(grin)

Just don’t tell me that a little black kid of a single white mother hasn’t overcome a lot of wasp negativity.
he thrived in wasp land. He’ll be a great President

He doesn’t lose his cool. The Sh*t rolls down his back like water off a duck,

I may not agree with every decision he will make but he is on record for restoring the constution. Hilary is not.
He will reverse the outrageou Bush signing statements.

Our time of transcendance is at hand.

I’ll take Obama as President over Impeachment, if any of the gods would make that deal.

Fight on pups

Ah well, someone with her experience could find a comfortable job lobbying.

We like Lou Reed in this house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ditCW2TiA

Reality is: It is highly unlikely that any president will remove all of the troops from Iraq. They will bring some “combat” troops home until something happens, then they will pause…and so it will go, but there will remain an American presence there probably 4ever. Pretty much an extension of what is happening now…up and down. We are in a quagmire. Hope I’m wrong.
JMHO

pulling troops out isn’t “finger-pointing rhetoric.” It’s the right thing to do. We’ll use that money saved to finally actually support our returning troops.

Obama said we never should’ve went in there and never voted for it. Simple fact. He’s trying to correct one of the biggest tragedies of our generation. He’s putting our troops lives first and foremost. I think red-staters will like that.

I’d much rather have the unitary executive challenged.

Hillary and her claims of “experience”. Lahoma extolls me not to attack Senator Clinton on this issue.

I like Lou Reed in any house, He really is a warm and funny man with a very wry sense of humor and a gentle sweetness. At least that’s my take.

Say President Obama pulls the troops out of Iraq immediately(Bus/McBush talking point) upon taking office. Iraq falls into uncontrolled war(apparently you haven’t noticed that is what has happened to Iraq since Mission Accomplished Day) and splits into three fighting territories. Turkey invades Kurdistan(Turkey has been doing this for weeks now and will likely increase strikes as spring comes along); Syria grabs a chunk(Syria hasn’t even responded to the Israeli bombing raid inside of Syria—they aren’t likely to invade Iraq, as a matter of fact they’ve been assisting with hundreds of thousands of refugees) along its border; the Shiite territories become a client of Iran(Ahmadinejad is planning a visit this week), along with all their oil. Republicans hang the whole thing around President Obama’s neck — “We were winning, then Obama and the Democrat Party surrender-monkeys lost the war.” What will he do then, besides trot out some finger-pointing rhetoric? I’m curious.

So you are saying that Sen. Clinton’s I’ll end the war talk is just that.

-G

Largest voter turnout in decades…. over 158,000 people. One of slimmest margins of victory.

Winner is: Total votes cast: 149,779

Why is voter turnout so much greater than total votes cast in NM? Can we think that 10,000 people turned out, but didn’t vote?

I’m walking down a deserted dark alleyway…some muggers are hiding in the shadows…who do I want with me?

Generally speaking, it is always a good idea to read the post before commenting.
As I read this post, I think Swopa’s intent was not to criticize Clinton; but rather, to suggest that Obama could avoid or deflect some of the coming GOP smear by adopting a more defined agenda.

Campus shootings are an epidemic in this nation. Doesn’t happen in other countries does it?

We lead in campus madness!

i’ve been wondering where the pieces of that spy satellite are going to wind up. if they do succeed in shooting it.

I’m walking down a deserted dark alleyway…some muggers are hiding in the shadows…who do I want with me?

And the choice is between a black man and a woman? Guess.

Don’t you suspect that Clinton would consider such an ‘arrangement’ to be beneath her aspirations?

She might agree to the ‘other’ pairing, but the ‘match’ you’ve so reasonably suggested would, most likely, not, in any fashion, appeal to her…

You could be absolutely right. I hope so.

Not at my house, I hope!!

What a novel idea. I bet it would be very rewarding.

It is dawning in America. Come next November. Vote Democratic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOlspoBcwsU

Say President Obama pulls the troops out of Iraq immediately upon taking office. Iraq falls into uncontrolled war and splits into three fighting territories. Turkey invades Kurdistan; Syria grabs a chunk along its border; the Shiite territories become a client of Iran, along with all their oil. Republicans hang the whole thing around President Obama’s neck — “We were winning, then Obama and the Democrat Party surrender-monkeys lost the war.” What will he do then, besides trot out some finger-pointing rhetoric? I’m curious.

Iraq is in uncontrolled war and chaos right this minute.

The Iraq occupation is owned by the Bush administration and their advisors, and this gutless House and Senate. The dying is being done by members of poor minority families, and Iraqis and this country has not done a damn thing to deal with 4-5 million refugees they caused, and the money hemorrhage is being absorbed by all of us. Obama was against going into Iraq from the start. Every headline or cluck cluck by some talking head who knows nothing about Iraq that the surge is working, and that all hell will break loose when we leave ignores the fact that what they are advocating is an endless parade of Dover coffins, and endless dependancey by the Iraqis on the endless parade of dover coffins and hemorrhage of billions of dollars we don’t have to spend there.

Iraq needs to sort it out themselves. And the surrounding Arab and Muslim countries sitting around watching with their thumbs in their ass–the so called “kingdoms” who shop Paris while their people live in utter squalor need to start taking responsibility.

In this era of attempted SuperDelegate Stealing, and attempted

In this political environment, it is difficult to separate the spin from reality. I am not sure who is stealing and who is spinning.

Report: Obama Far Outpaced Hillary In Contributions To Super-Delegates

(snip)

The Center for Responsive Politics has a new study out which finds that the two have donated a total of more than $890,000 to those super-delegates who are elected officials in the past three years. Who’s donated more? Obama has, by far.

According to the study, Obama’s PAC and campaign committe have given out $694,000 to such superdelegates. Some 40% of the supers who support Obama received cash from him, the study finds.

Hillary’s PAC and campaign committee, meanwhile, have donated only $195,000 to supers, less than a third of what Obama has, and only 12% of supers supporting her have received her money.

TPM

The Terminator, of course.

Not only that, but what does Obama need HRC for? Are there Hillary supporters who will not vote for him unless she’s on the ticket? I imagine they could fill a reasonably sized phonebooth. Does she help him in the general, or dilute his message? My guess is the latter.

Yeah, let’s hear about Clinton’s specific policies.

Especially about the war that she’s supported for most of the past five years.

In theory the pieces will be small enough to simply burn up in the atmosphere.

So does this mean he’s the smarter politician?

The Iraq occupation is owned by the Bush administration and their advisors, and this gutless House and Senate.

For campaigning’s sake:

It is the Republican/McCain Iraq Invasion.

We need to stop separating “the Bush Administration” from the Republicans. All this zaniness that’s happening right now would never have happened without Republicans supporting everything and shouting down any dissent.

We must end the Republican’s Iraq Invasion.

I’m walking down a deserted dark alleyway…some muggers are hiding in the shadows…who do I want with me?

Hugo/”Hurley” from Lost in the Dharma van, of course.

excellent eye!

I believe we are dealing with mega egos (Clinton and Obama) here. But statespersonship could perhaps prevail. There’s always hope. I would be comfortable regardless of how the combination would possibly be paired. My eyes are straight forwardly focused on the prize. The White House. And defeating the Republicans.

Or maybe Chuck Norris.

Heh.

I’m with you. I hope I haven’t separated them at all, because I sure can’t tell the difference. *g*

Wouldn’t the whole thing burn up on the way through the atmosphere? What the hell is on that thing?

President Clinton strikes again:

Of his wife’s recent travails, [Bill Clinton] said, “the caucuses aren’t good for her. They disproportionately favor upper-income voters who, who, don’t really need a president but feel like they need a change.”

-G

So does this mean he’s the smarter politician?

No..I think he is a politician who had good mentors in Chicago and he knows how to win. The down side is that he is playing the “I am not a politician like Hillary” game. That could bite him in the ass.

He’s probably in the Cayman Islands with Huckabee.

My eyes are straight forwardly focused on the prize. The White House. And defeating the Republicans.

I love it when you talk like that, kiddo!

Methinks you quite astute, and no stranger to the truth.

They need to muzzle that man.

I’m not sure what’s on it, but they said on TV that it’s as big as a bus. Apparently too big to burn up, since it seems to be an issue…

Thanks MayDaze…

okk ;0)

I am astutent of the truth.

Where is Punaise when you need him?

The article also points out that this involved 2006 and 2008 cycles, and makes a point of saying they’re not sure there’s a direct correlation.

Perhaps Obama is just raising that much more money and distributing it to Dems? Not saying it’s a good thing that so much money flows through campaigns, but when comparing the two candidates seems worth figuring out.

BTW, Obama’s offer to only use public funds for the General (provided he wins of course), as long as the Repube candidate agrees to the same, is still standing as far as I can tell.
http://www.brennancenter.org/b…..ng_pledge/

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY

NO MASSACRE OF DEMS TODAY NO TELECOM IMMUNITY…PRESSURE ON THE WHITE HOUSE NETROOTS GET CREDIT FROM DANA PERINO…NOT SO BAD

i’d rather see Clinton follow the example of Kennedy. Give up on the presidency and take the honorable path of being a long-term public servant and advocate for what’s right in the senate. Do the work and deliver over many terms.

and i’d be real surprised to see her accept the vp slot … ;)

You good! punaise points to you!!

Given that many of the Supers needed money from both of these mega-fund raisers to run their Congressional and Senate campaigns, I don’t think you can interpet money they gave to super-delegates who are also politicians in offices that demand raising money every day of your life while in office or getting ready to run as simple bribes–and given the amount Clinton has given, I’m not sure that low figure from TPM is accurate.

1,756 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Swopa and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Let’s get real here…Mrs. Clinton survived the right-wing smear machine by sellin’ out to it for $4+ million to the Clinton Library and an endorsement from Rupert Murdoch. Make no mistake about it, the Quisling Clintonista Democrats and the DLC are the product of the corporate oligarchy…they are the “New Republican Party” gestating in the bowls of the Democratic congressional cadres.

Unlike the honorable Kiddo and his senior advisor Lahoma, I ain’t pullin’ any punches: Mrs. Clinton is NOT a 21st century Democrat, she is a 1950’s corporate Republican and a wholly owned subsidiary of the fascist oligarchy we’re tryin’ ta break up.

Barak O’Lieberman is doin’ jest fine allowin’ himself ta be defined in opposition to Mrs. Clinton…furthermore, as the fight for the nomination accelerates, Barak’s politics and policies will be exposed in the context of his reaching out to the organized interest groups that Mrs. Clinton and the “New Democrats” have marginalized and ignored, like the national unions.

KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET UP…THE FIGHT IS OURS TO WIN!!

Ugh. This Begala talking point that Obama is the candidate of rich people is really getting annoying. I see it everywhere now without any proof. Here’s some proof that it’s just the opposite:

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/…..8;sortby=4

Hillary: I’m In to Spin.

Something to lift your spirits.

AP – Taking a page from Hollywood science fiction, the Pentagon said Thursday it will try to shoot down a dying, bus-sized U.S. spy satellite loaded with toxic fuel on a collision course with the Earth.

Danger Will Robinson. Danger!

I’d rather not see her give up until and unless it’s time to do so. That time has not come. The people have not yet spoken. If Obama is to win, let him earn it. And let him learn from it. We don’t need any more quitters and weak candidates like John Kerry.

and to make sure no one else can take that satellite apart and see what we’ve got up there …

You’re doing the lifting my friend. And we like it. Seriously. ;0)

That’s a whole lot of words you put in my mouth. Did I say I support Clinton? I’m asking for specifics about what Obama will do with a bad situation, other than blame it on Republicans.

You’re right, That’s the real reason. But it also means it’s too big to burn up…

And to practice just in case they want to take anyone else’s satellite out. Maybe?

Ben Affleck is suiting up as we read and write. Aerosmith music will be piped into the ether.

-G

Via New Mexico Politics with Joe Monahan

Another big reason there were so many provisional ballots–over 17,000—was a large number of unregistered people trying to vote. There were also a number of Republicans and Independents attempting to vote in the Democrats-only primary.

State Dem chair Brian Colòn said he could not say how many Democrats had problems voting last week because their names were not on the voter lists used at the polls. But he said no one was turned away. “That’s why we have provisional balloting.” He said.

As for the count, the party now says over 8,000 of the over 17,000 provisionals have been found valid…

I think you may be right.

sure … guess I’m projecting for what I think the outcome will be. Clinton should stay in it thru Mar 4 … :-)

1,756 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and…

Citizen lee5 and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

I been sayin’ the same thing since Mrs. Clinton was elected to the Senate…she needs ta spend time servin’ a diverse constituency and developing’ a politics. Unfortunately, I think her politics are now fully determined by the folks who bought her candidacy: Everett Dirksen anyone?

KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T STOP WORKIN’…THEY’RE DROPPIN’ LIKE FLIES!!

You are on point. The Clintons policy in a nutshell is a triangle which has, as its vortex, getting elected and re-elected. If re-elected the Clintons will only be about getting re-elected again and we can look forward to a another Clintons presidency which is a loud echo of the ongoing campaign, Much ado about nothing good. If Obama only continues his message as President that he has followed in this campaign, we have the hope for change. There is no there, there with the Clintons except that vortex of unenlightened self-interest.

So, are you supporting Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton?

-G

She would regain much respect for doing so. Should she then fight the good fight she would gain much appreciation and truly be worthy of a ‘place’ in our better history.

I’m walking down a deserted dark alleyway…some muggers are hiding in the shadows…who do I want with me?

And the choice is between a black man and a woman? Guess.

Uh, perhaps it’s just my wicked sinus infection(s), but I can’t see the progressive upside in:

(1) recasting elections as a very scary place for which we need a protector (sounds like the Rethugs’ fear-based arguments to me)

(2) repeating stereotype that “black” = “alley fighter”

Then again, perhaps the Kleenex is just obscuring my view.

Does Obama have a plan for dealing with Iraq or doesn’t he? If yes, what is it?

I’m thinking that a plan hatched now could be pretty seriously out of date by the time a new president takes office.

One hopes that she is still ‘yet’ capable of learning, especially were you to tutor her regarding what must needs be done as a true servant of the people AND their Constitution. I know you’ve got it in ya. As you know, I regard you as one of the best, a ‘heavy-lifter’ as kiddo says.

It’s not polite to answer a question with a question.

So, are you supporting Sen. Clinton?

-G

Ah, it’s quite easy to find. So the answer is “yes” he does, and you can answer the second question by clicking this link.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Might want to exert a little effort first before challenging others to find things for you.

Linden, let me call a truce. Whoever follows Bush is going to be stuck with his mess. If it is a Democrat, whatever happens they will be subjected to the catcalls and screams of doom from the rightwing.

By framing the debate the way you have, it is giving legitimacy to their efforts to finger point and Black Hawk Down the coming problems.

Don’t assume for one minute that Sen. Clinton will get a pass….The GOP, including St. McBush were screaming about Somalia even though it was a flaming turd dropped in Clinton’s lap by Poppy Bush.

Peace.

-G

Barak O’Lieberman is doin’ jest fine allowin’ himself ta be defined in opposition to Mrs. Clinton

I just can’t understand why Obama has Leiberman showing up and speaking at every campaign stop–what kind of strategy is that?

I posed a question first: what will Obama do? I don’t expect to hear he has a plan nailed down to the last detail, but surely as the candidate of change he has a broad outline for how what he will do will be different than what has come before.

I have handed you a golden opportunity to sell me on Obama’s merits. But I’m interested in hearing about substance, not having a debate about personalities.

Didn’t know that, must be a form of ‘bi-partisanship’…

Clinton:

Obama makes speeches, but I’m the lady of action.

Yep you are:

You took these actions:

You voted to authorize the chaos and money hemorrhage in Iraq.

You voted to authorize Kyle-Leiberman.

You voted against Levin amendment and couldn’t even read it at the level of understanding of a freshman law student.

And you took the action not to have your SUV Limo Driver turn towards the Senate when you should have been supporting Dodd and Feingold’s FISA amendments and voting against immunity for you favorite Telcom Corporate master contributors.

After college Obama went into the streets and organized as an activist. After college you did nothing like that.

I kind of feel like you are giving me the Bill O’Reilly ‘answer my question in the way I want it answered’ treatment.

Enjoy supporting Sen. Clinton, or Mike Huckabee or John McCain or Ron Paul. I am sure they all have a simple solution to this complex problem.

-G

Ah, I see. I guess it’s impolite to ask what a candidate’s positions are on a political blog. My error.

Enjoy all that exercise you get jumping to conclusions about me.

Not impolite at all. Keep asking if your interested. Clinton’s unilateral stance is simply better known.

There are no reasons to take differences of opinion personally.

wow watching KO Special Comments

Bush, you are a LIAR!!!

Obama did NOT vote against FISA. Apparently he was there, but he did not vote….

your right but tao was talking about the latest vote.

More homework viewing, if you still think Obama is light on policy particulars:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002860.php

I have been thinking all along that Obama has reversed the normal trajectory: he started in the center for the primaries, and I will bet that he swings left in the general. He’s turned everything else on its head, and it would be especially effective this year. He will want to heighten the contrast with McCain in every way. He will run as a true liberal.

Huh!?!“I know I will get beaten up for this, but here goes, IMHO the Obama adulation reminds me of the starry eyed fans of David Cassidy in the 70’s.
This 62 year old “Dead Head” Viet Vet is sorry to inform you that David Cassidy is more in line with Hillary in exciting crowds whereas Obama is the Greatful Dead,Jefferson Airplane and the Stones rolled into one.

Bob Etzler Ex back doorman Fillmore West 1968-1972,
Best perk of that job the groupies had to go through by me first.
Sorry kiddo Obama is the real deal when it comes to Rock’n’Roll!