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The US Constitution and the principle that no one is above the law suffered a numbing setback, Tuesday, when every Republican Senator, Independent Joe Lieberman and 18 faux Democrats voted to gut the Constitution's Fourth Amendment, one of the most important bulwarks again tyrannical government since 1789. The Senate voted 68 - 29 to ratify the President's massive illegal spying program and provide immunity for the telecoms who invaded the privacy of millions of innocent Americans.
The Fourth Amendment has been handed down to us unchanged for over two centuries:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Almost none of that is left if today's bill stands. In an age in which "bipartisan" has come to mean weak Democrats joining unanimous Republicans to vote against the Constitution, the Fourth Amendment would be eviscerated by a bill that provides a virtual blank check for the executive to invade the privacy of Americans:
-- The President can direct US spy agencies to intercept every e-mail, telephone or internet communication of every American and anyone legally in the US with only the most minimal safeguards. Although the bill was supposed to deal with exclusively "foreign" communications, the techniques it sanctions will in fact sweep up domestic and foreign combined.
-- Acting without individual or particularized warrants from any court, spy agencies can sweep up millions of communications without differentiating between those warranting surveillance and those not. Procedures for separating out totally innocent persons or communications that have nothing to do with foreign intelligence or any security threat to the US are minimal to non-existent. Procedures allowing a secret court to review such procedures have been weakened, along with measures to correct violations of even these limited procedures.
-- Persons spied upon have no ability to determine what information the government has collected, or to affect what the government does with the information. Americans will never know which persons or government agencies were shown private information about them, and if restrictions are placed on their activities or travel because of this secret information, it will be impossible for victims to determine why or to challenge the information.
-- Telecommunication companies who participated in government's illegal spying activities, and those who ordered this, would be forever immune from any consequences for their actions and cannot be required to disclose what they did.
-- As bad as the Senate Bill is, the Senate rejected an effort to make the bill the exclusive means by which surveillance can be authorized. So the President arguably can conduct further spying on Americans even without the minimal protections left in the Bill.
There were courageous efforts by Senators Dodd and Feingold and about 29 other genuine Democrats to stop or mitigate the damage, but those 31 or so votes define the limits of the Constitutional Wing of the Democratic Party. As important as the Presidential election is, increasing these numbers has to be an ongoing priority. We need more people like this (h/t Matt Stoller).
Not one of the 49 Senate Republicans stood up for the Fourth Amendment. And there are nearly 20 weak Democrats who simply cannot be relied upon to stand against the Republicans when fundamental rights are at stake.
These Democratic Senators will forever be remembered as having failed their oaths to preserve and protect the Constitution on one or more key votes. Bayh, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, McCaskill, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Stabenow, Feinstein, Kohl, Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar, Carper, Mikulski, Conrad, Webb, and Lincoln. Whitehouse voted to mitigate the worst provisions, but ultimately voted for the Bill; Feinstein voted against stripping immunity but then voted for the bill.
Obama voted for the Constitution in early votes [update: and against cloture]; he was not present for the final vote; we will need more "yes we can." Clinton chose to be somewhere else. I assume we will not again hear campaign arguments about voting "present."
As Jane said yesterday, it's up to the House to stop this disgraceful bill. Sign the petition to tell them not to cave like the Senate did.
More from C&L, emptywheel, Glenn Greenwald, ACLU, and two Constitutional heroes, Feingold and Dodd
*Note: The original title suggested to some that the post was advocating a 3rd party; as the post makes clear, it is not advocating a 3rd party. The point is to urge a Democratic Party with stronger adherence to the Constitution. SC
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EPU’ed.
Has Whitehouse explained his vote and his on the one hand/on the other actions on FISA?
Good morning. Constitution indeed.
And now to the important stuff *g*. morning scarecrow.
EPU’d below http://firedoglake.com/2008/02.....nt-1270666
SanderO from the previous thread makes a good point about this:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/02.....nt-1270651
We, as progressives/liberals/Constitutionalists, need to be forming a coalition to strengthen ourselves.
Maybe we could start our own PAC?
We seem to be the only ones in the country who understand the importance of the US Constitution in our daily lives.
Wow, Scarecrow. Glenzilla himself could not have said it better!
Need something,
Thought of supporting Democrats after the performance of the 110th grates on my nerves.
How about starting a
Constitution Caucus
Good cut-to-the-chase thread, ‘Crow.
That we are STILL having to fight this shit, 7 years into the bush mad-hatter party, and 5 years into the bloody debacle in Iraq, is an obscenity.
I bet those asses in the oval were popping corks galore yesterday. Too bad they weren’t better aimed.
I consider blue-dog Democrats to be a greater evil than Republicans. They are certainly harder for progressives to eliminate, and they give all Democrats a bad name.
Primaries are a very good thing. We should do them more often.
What’s the deal with Mikulski?
I lived in Maryland many years ago and remember her in a much better, outspoken light. She’s a social worker dammit! Can’t believe she’s done this.
So does this mean that the only thing they are not vacuuming up is our snail mail? Or is that so yesterday (as in they’ve been doing that all along?)
That vote truly shocked me. It’s bad enough that these people are imperialists, but that also want to turn the U.S. into Orwellian police state. It’s apalling.
just think about what they are holding over her head.
Good Morning Scarecrow, have signed the petition.
caw caw!
And therein lies the rub, ‘crow. After 2 and half years at FDL, I finally figured out what FDL focuses on: issues that violate the US Constitution. FDL latches on to these and never lets go until resolved one way or the other…
Agreed, I should just be happy about Donna for now.
The other group that is to blame for this FISA fiasco is the mainstream media. They have almost completely ignored this threat to our constitution, and when they did conver it their reporting was filled with inacuracies, untruths, and lies.
Good morning, firedoglakepersons,etc. Good/bad day, eh.
Even if you accept Atrios’ view that a lot of the Democrats simply agree with the Bushwingers (as opposed to being just intimidated by terror threats), you’d think they could read the polls and read the anger against their continued support of these outrages. I can’t account for this.
I am! it’s fun to smile and i think her victory bodes well for progressivenicity
Given the fact of the complete failure of Republican ideology and governance, it’s stunning that the pundits are saying this is going to be a very close presidential election. It should be a blow out. Suggests that it will take a generation of educational efforts for Americans to fully comprehend the anti-democratic, anti-constitutional, totallitarian nature of the Republican Party. It begins with getting rid of blue dog Democrats.
I don’t agree that the focus is mostly on Constitutional issues — although it is true that many of the outrages of the Bush Administration are linked to violations of the Constitution. But I don’t see health care, sexism, corruption, media bias and lots of other issues we cover here necessarily linked to Constitutional concerns. The Plame coverage was about outing a spy and covering it up.
Morning everyone, Scarecrow. I agree with this, but not as a party (which would take too long to build, and would fracture the otherwise largely viable party we have. Rather, as I suggested a few… ago, what needs to be done is to create a NEW block of 12 in the Senate and a comparable group in the house of people across both parties (there have to be sizable group of Republicans) who are willing to commit themselves (and vote) on the Constitution. We know how effective the gang of 12 (Collins, Lieberman, Nelson etc) has been in packing the supreme court with anti-constitution people such as Alito. Assuming we can counter some of the 12 in this upcoming election and later ones, a new block could have equal if not greater power.
We Need a Constitutional
PartyConventionYes. Greenwald had a post a couple days back about the total falsehoods in the WSJ editorial (not the front page reporting, which was better). On the other hand, the NYT was pretty good in reporting — they broke the original story of the unwarranted surveillance, and their editorial page was excellent on this issue. The television media did a poor job, except for KO’s use of John Dean and Bruce Fein, and Bill Moyers.
Here you go http://www.constitutionparty.com/
So, what possible forces are causing them to do this:
— They truly believe in turning the U.S. into a police state.
— They are being black mailed via oppo-research, possibly collected by the NSA.
— They need telco campaign contributions to get re-elected.
— They want favorable press coverage.
— They want to be accepted by peers at their contry club, church, or synagog.
Consider DiFi. Almost surely she’ll not run for re-election. She is extremely wealthy and well-established. She comes from the most liberal region in the country. What motivation could she have to support such Orwellian legislation?
Webb is on CSPAN now and they’re taking calls for him…
What I don’t get is why this can’t just be fixed in conference. That is unless the leadership really want it this way. Btw: OT but I’m so psyc’ed about Donna Edwards kicking ass!
I don’t think that’s what JimWhite had in mind
And if you need anything further to raise your gag reflex to a higher level, the toad-in-chief will be on the news shortly to jump up and down with glee. :-(
I think that’s a brilliant idea, obviously Dems in congress don’t
seem to get that people want more openess and inclusiveness in
government..Having a reserved fund on hand that when there is an important issue at hand, we can run some ads.targeting the bad Dems. On the FISA issue most Dems did not respond to phone calls, emails etc…we have to find a new strategy to make them take notice.
I should note that DiFi was complicit in the Intelligence Bill, but after her substitution amendment was defeated, she voted for cloture but then voted against the bill at the end. Totally ineffective.
When you get into “power” you get corrupted unless you are really focused on serving the people and not puffed up with power.
We need term limits.
There are plenty of good people to serve. it woull solve so many problems.
we have term limits at the ballot box
Pure egotism
On healthcare, sexism, corruption, media bias: these are issues somewhat apart, and I think some of those will be changed with a new administration and a greater number of Democrats in the house. The trick with the former is to find a way to bring the troth of lobbying back to the 1970s-1980s era (a tiny fraction of what it is today). We could have a whole post on differences then and now and how to bring some sanity to this. On sexism, well Sweden (I think) made it a law that each party had to put up women as 50%? of its candidates. Unlikely to happen here, and, as we know not all women are on our side. Interestingly Hillary’s candidacy has already changed things. MSM learned that by clobbering her unfairly, women moved more strongly for her (in NH),in short they voted against MSM. On corruption, see my comments on lobbying (that will also bring down the costs of running, I think. On media bias, Congress and the new president will be able to put in play some changes, and with the presidency, and a very well spoken president that will transform things. What I really fear, and what will destroy FDL and other progressive websites, I fear, is the end of net neutrality, for with that, sites which are deemed to be too anti-establishment will simply be banned.
NO WAY IN HELL! At least we now still have a fourth amendment. Given the two-to-one majority that we saw yesterday passing that awful legislation, I’d expect them to strike the entire bill of rights if there were a Consitutional convention.
No elliot,
We have incumbents.
See how the presidential election is this cycle. No incumbent.
We need a fresh race ever election cycle.
People who lover gov service can move to other jobs.
The Republicans who would otherwise be pro-constitution are scared shitless of 1) Rove/Bush/Limbaugh/Savage/Colter/AIP*C. The Democrats who would otherwise be pro-constition are scared of the same.
With intent.
Cloture was the key vote, and she knew it.
I hope you have it committed to memory
FDL, like other liberal blogs, has been ineffective. T-he question is how do we become effective. We, myself included, tend to believe this, too, shall pass as it certainly shall but there can be lots of pain between now and then. We sign petitions, fax and email, but these protests fall on deaf ears. Scarecrow says we need a constitutional party. Does he (or she?)mean a third or sixth party or merely a return to constitutionality by the Dems? If he means something new, how might we go about it. If he means working within the present party framework to effect change, how long does he intend to try before deciding it won’t work?
I’d add to “Rove/Bush/Limbaugh/Savage/Colter/AIP*C” the entire editorial boards of WaPO, WSJ, and anything owned by Murdoch.
Nancy and Steny dance while the Constitution burns.
http://thehill.com/leading-the.....02-07.html
Ok, so the Constitution is being trampled on again according to this article. What are all of you going to do about it? I see posts on this site from time to time just like this and yet you never see any action with the exception of slurs against Bush and the horrible old Republicans.
You all need to go back and review what our Founding Fathers put on the line for the exact same issue that was mentioned in this blog. As I am sure most of you will not do this, they (the Founding Fathers) put themselves, their fortunes (most were wealthy), their educations, their families, and everything else they held dear on the line to fight exactly this type of thing you all are complaining about.
We need primaries for all of those turncoats.
We need federally funded elections.
I disagree on term limits—the above will do it.
How can we really lobby these congress critters? I mean get past their praetorian guards and explain it to them?
My sense is that they don’t know the issues very well.
Thanks for that clarification…
Yes there are other ways to acheive accountability, public finance is one.
But I now favor new and fresh people in congress.
George Washington knew that and he stepped aside.
Why do we need critters in there for decades?
Gore did his time and now he is doing some useful. And he’s not in gov.
Why not term limits?
Hi…Did you get my response last night?
The president is term limited?
There is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a limited term in office. NYC mayor is term limited (thank god).
We need to get rid of entrenched power that becomes established with never ending terms in office.
I think of Ted Kennedy and all he has done. Russ Feingold, Ed Markey (my former critter) and lots of others. Institutional memory isn’t a bad thing. We just need to do a good purging of the toxins periodically. Baby and bathwater . . . .
Per usual, excellent post SC. I have two thoughts this morning. Monday I happened to catch a bit of Rush Limbaugh, he was going off on McCain and conservatism et. al. He actually claimed that Conservatives are the ones who believe in upholding the constitution and specifically the Bill of Rights. I thought to myself, this is typical GOP propaganda. Say one thing, do another. Well Senators, since the Constitution is up for grabs in order to keep us safe, let’s go after the second amendment, huh? Want to see some Conservative heads explode, tell them that under a Democratic president, we will be demanding that Gun companies let us know where all of there weapons have gone and we will be confiscating those weapons in order to protect us from those weapons possibly getting in the hands of terrorists. By the way, we will give the Gun manufacturer’s immunity after the fact.
Second thought, looking at the list of DINO’s - ironically, I believe if Lincoln Chafee were in Whitehouse’s seat, he would have broke ranks with the GOP.
Keep hammering the house - I pray they will not cave. Remember, we have the leverage - if the tools are so important to protect us, then the GOP and Bush would not play games and veto or delay in order to get protection for their cronies.
You are right, but realize they are feeling VERY threatened about their futures because of the web. They used to be able to control everything via print and tv. No longer. Basically they were cow-towing to the Limbaugh/Rove/AIP*C group. I think that will soon end because all three have proven to be bogus (Limbaugh’s candidate Romney lost big time, ROve lost the last election, the pro-ME war thugs are being shouted down every time Obama speaks about the irresponsiblity of this war.
For clarification, the “ineffective” Scarecrow meant we need more adherents to the Constitution in the Democratic Party. I”m not advocating a 3rd party.
As for FDL, there have been successess and disappointments. Lamont/Lieberman — sent a huge message, but was also a huge disappointment. Was it worth doing? You bet.
We’re pushing the notions of what a political blog, or a coalition of blogs, can do, and the jury is still out. Surely we’ve helped create and add to the chorus pushing for important reforms and/or accountability by public officials. We helped mobilize progressives and enabled significant fundraising for progressive candidates. We can focus attention on issues and promote good candidates. No one here has illusions that blogs alone can completely change the discourse or save the country, but that doesn’t mean we’re not had a positive effect.
I think Al Wynn can speak to the current version of ‘term limits” today. I imagine not happily, but he now has the full experience.
Good points.
Chafee had many opportunities to break ranks and he rarely did. Though he is doingtrying to do a mea culpa with the book, he was still mostly a party player.
I did, thanks (and good morning). I sent one back at you, but living in rural Rypw8thwrystan these days it my take a while to crank up the servers to get it through. :-)
Chimpy on MSNBC now…blergh!
And why is it that they are scared Richmond? This is why….most of them are doing exactly what they need to do to stay elected. These “moderates” will follow the direction the wind is blowing at that point in time. If you ever listen to Limbaughs show, he doesn’t change his idealogy, he hasn’t for the last 20 years. It doesn’t matter who is in office, doesn’t matter if you are Bush, Chenny, Pelosi, McCain, etc, if you do something against his idealogy, you are going to get called on it.
These Moderates are destroying the country, they are the political equivalent to lawyers. Ideas is what makes this country strong….not compromise. What ever the best ideas are (be it liberal or conservative) should be fought over, minds changed, and the best raised to the top. This is the exact reason why McCain won’t be getting my vote. I don’t want someone who has gone over to the other side to “compromise”, I want someone who will destroy the other side, then bring them over to our point of view. Thats standing on principal.
Exactly, on all three points.
It was not particularly the old guard that voted with the Republicans. For example, Webb and Whitehouse are relatively new.
And other successes - Donna Edwards
You are right, but look at the energy and the anti-war message of Obama’s young supporters. That wonderful group has to make all the moderates a bit (very) nervous.
Chimpy says he won’t accept any extensions…He said the House should pass the Senate version immediately…
Chimp: “the senators passed a good bill (fisa) and have shown that protecting amurika is a bipartisan issue”
“I will not accept any temporary extenshun” (why dont you want to protect america chimpy?)
“not passing bill will jeopardize the security of murkin citizens… make it harder to uncover terrist plots… must not let this happen. thank u very much.
MSNBC person: “there u have it, the president has drawn a line in the sand”
I love the effect that Marcy Winograd had on Jane Harmon. And Donna’s huge win last night must be sending shock waves back to Jane and lots of the others who won their primaries last go around. Donna lost 2 years ago and came back with a wallop. This could happen to any one of them.
More primaries please.
Yep. Donna Edwards (it helps when you’ve got a terrific candidate). And Howie’s work in finding good people for us to support has been tremendous.
B.S. - not you, shrub.
Bah humbug.
I hope Conyers holds fast to what he’s asking for before doing anything.
Ain’t that the truth…
You’d think Republicans would at least be asking themselves privately whether they really want to hand over this sort of power to the next, presumably Democratic, President.
He really thinks we are stoopid huh? If the tools are so important to protect us, an extension would always be beneficial. Did he take questions? I hope someone in the press nails him on this. Wait, it is MSM, of course not.
Yea, they have done a lot, but others could have done the same with the opportunity.
We need new fresh faces and the good ideas can be passed along.
I now firmly support term limits. The benefits outweigh the risks.
They must have a Plan B that doesn’t involve handing anything over, an October Surprise of some sort.
If we had term limits we’d lose people like Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Harry Waxman…
And for every Ted Kennedy, there is an arlen spector, a jesse helms, a john warner, a john Mccain.
Do the math. The crap gets to stick around and it’s not worth it.
We have people like Donna Edwards and so forth coming up.
2 terms in congress and maybe 1 6 yrs terms in the senate can be 10 years as a congress critter. that plenty long in my book to do plenty of good.
Nope, no questions. It was one of those where he says “blah blah murkin peeple. thanks you.” and storms off.
fyi - i left a comment here and at emptywheel last night. another extension of the PAA is on the agenda for the HOUSE today.
We need to school them instead (in my view). Get more people involved in the process (as we are doing via the web). Elections are hugely expensive (for us as tax payers, and allows even more corporate imprint on the candidates). Note how many of the long term Republicans have now quit. Once the gig is up for them, there is no longer as much interest in staying.
And Chimpy apparently knows about it. He’s hoping his statement of “I won’t sign an extension” will get the Senate to kill the extension so he doesn’t have to veto it.
PAA II: The Emperor Strikes Back
I’m not crazy about any “save us from ourselves,” restraints, but the problem with term limits on congress is that it makes permanent unelected professional staff people the real power and elected congress as figureheads.
Excellent point on the unelected professional staff!
Permanent elected staff people? Who are they?
From todays WSJ editorial:
The defeat of these antiwar amendments means the legislation now moves to the House in a strong position. Speaker Nancy Pelosi is in the Dodd-Obama camp, but 21 Blue Dog Democrats have sent her a letter saying they are happy with the Senate bill. She may try to pass the restrictions that failed in the Senate, and Republicans should tell her to make their day. This is a fight Senator McCain should want to have right up through Election Day, with Democrats having to explain why they want to hamstring the best weapon — real-time surveillance — we have against al Qaeda.”
Nit-pick: Obama stayed up through cloture and only missed the final vote (not “votes”) on passage. I don’t approve of his leaving early, but you make it sound worse than it was. If there’s a story in his leaving early it would seem to be: why did Obama blow a chance to put the not-voting issue more firmly behind him?
I thought each congress critter brings in a new slate of staff.
In the time that I have read FDL, we have gone from crisis to crisis, calling writing petitioning. There has been little time for other action or planning. I am amazed at how much Jane and Christy and all have done.
OT - Guy on MSNBC says Sec Def Gates slipped on ice and broke his shoulder.
The vote yesterday really pissed me off. And then just a few moments ago I saw Bush on TV threatening the House to come up with a bill just like the Senate. Once again he was using the familiar scare the public tactic that unless they pass what the Senate passed that we won’t be able to know what the terrorists are doing. Bullshit! I was so mad that I called my Congressional Rep., John Yarmuth’s office in Washington. I told the woman answering that I wanted Yarmuth to tell Pelosi to stand up to Bush and not cave in on this bill. I also called Mitch McConnells office and told the woman answering his phones that I was deeply disturbed that McConnell voted for the Senate Bill. I told her that he obviously does not support the rule of law because he wants to short circuit the legal process by giving Telecoms immunity. I told her that I would be volunteering to campaign for whoever runs against him and that we are tired of him rubber stamping everything Bush does. I told her I know he doesn’t care about any of this but I wanted to let him know anyways. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
thanks.
I meant unelected.. here.
There is no such thing as permanent unelected staff in congress.
Good morning from L.A. Donna Edward’s win is a bright spot in this otherwise bleak-feeling a.m.
Some mornings just warrant a downhome spiritual. Builds positive thought for the day, at least for me:
Alison Krauss/Gillian Welch-I’ll Fly Away
Ya, I don’t agree with Obama, but it is nice to see how he inspires people. He has a real Reaganesq (or JFK) way of speaking that seems to resonate with young people, and babes across the country. I do hope he beats Hillary so she can officially go into retirement.
He was late for a rally in Madision Wisc.
Wow, more mis-information from the WSJ. I wonder if the stock prices are even correct in that rag. As any intelligent person knows, there is nothing in the legislation that hampers the intelligence communities ability to collect information. Just puts in safeguards and eliminated retro-active immunity.
They are the experts on congressional procedures who serve on the staff of congressmen and particularly help the newer congressmen stay out of snipe hunts. If congressmen time limited, the political parties become groups of permanent expert staff people, assigned to new congressmen/women to “guide” them.
For a truly effective new Constitutional Convention, none of the current congresscritters would be allowed a vote. This would need to be citizens only and entirely grassroots. Polls show a two-to-one majority rejecting telecom immunity and rejecting the occupation of Iraq.
Each Congress person hires their “own” staff but they do it from the pool of staff that have already been working on the Hill for the most part. Hence the “permanent unelected professional staff members.”
This is basically what happened in Sacremento after California imposed legislative term limits.
It’s an example of the Law of Unintended Side Consequences and is real. Unless you intend to say that folks can only work on Capital Hill for x amount of time, regardless of the position which would be even more unworkable than term limits in general.
young people, and babes
whoa
Good morning Scarecrow, from a proud Constitutional Democrat.
Well actually, I would like her to stay in the senate. I think that when she is no longer running for president, she can/will be a much stronger voice - sort of like how Kerry and Kennedy became stronger over time.
This precious little to do with protecting the “murkin’ peeple” and everthing to do with avoiding trials for war crimes.
Although I’m still trying to figure out how an administration official can admit to the use of waterboarding, which is already illegal, and not force an immediate investigation that looks into who authorized it.
Must be a “Jack Bauer- Ticking Time Bomb” exemption in the constitution that we don’t know about.
It should be called the “Cover Our Collective Asses” bill.
Hey, it could be known as COCA!