No membership of these exlusive clubs is not all bad. For instance the CRF, the Executive, etc and “private & secret” clubs like this have a lot of even more scary people running around. These folks do have to join the fray – but it seems to me that they will be more of appeasers than anything. It will be up to them to change to conversation, enlighten some folks, show up and present contrary views…but will they?

When Clinton boosters get all up in arms about something that she does that is clearly right (or far right) of progressive (or even mainstream) its because the Obama supporters are stupid or mean. Same in the other direction.

I would actually say the full quote from Obama is worse.

American Airlines had all their people cut wages, do their little bankrupcy dance, then no wages go up – but executives start getting many multi-million bonuses. How is that for a chesnut, give up your wages & bennies to pay a CEO millions bonus (with a million or so going to grease Congress).

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Sounds kinda like “we should steal the money slowly” to avoid riots in the people that are bled by the vampires.

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Its worse than that, they want to make, manipulate, and selectivly enfore the rules/laws so they can take money from people – the more sophisticated it gets the more people they allow to take fake (electronic) money as debt gets passed to a loser (or the loser of last resort – the consumer or tax payer).

The more I try to fight it the more I think that both of them are more of the same, and that same does not diverge much from what we already have (yes, to some degree it does, but these folks behind the scene and these leaders all hang out and think the same thoughts).

As for nobody mentioning that Clinton or Obama are free traders its clear they are, Edwards noted it (and was one in the past), we all know it – its just that Democratic activists did not want to talk about it much. Its all about who is a racist or who is a mysoginist (so if you talk about their policy the homers will call you one of those).

you got it……….free trade is an access to pillage, and most don’t understand what it really means……how it affects their pocktbooks, the economy and the world………..just don’t get it, nor do they want to…….yet it is a simple thing that anyone can understand…….only thing is, it is buried in platitudes so people won’t WANT to understand it……..yet they can, simply,

obama is a free trader, and noone is mentioning it at all, that worries me. a lot.

check back later, have to go see the sleeping fog.

thank you.

it was quite an education.

OT: I have just recently returned from an interesting and sobering visit to your fair city. We saw the future -springtime was there; the magnolia in blossom and trees a-bud (returned to Pennsylvania’s snow and brutal cold)but, as goes New Orleans, and it is going, so goes the nation…