The Hamilton Project - the Financial Times loved it:
In that context, we welcome the launch yesterday by the Brookings Institution of a new platform - the Hamilton Project, named after America's first Treasury Secretary - to address America's looming economic challenges. Although composed mostly of Democrats, the group states a clear preference for market-based solutions to America's problems. It rejects the latent signs of protectionism recently visible on Capitol Hill. But it makes a strong case for the state to play a more constructive role both in improving the efficiency of America's market economy, but also in addressing the growing inequity of market outcomes.
And why shouldn't the FT love the Hamilton Project? The Project was created by corporatists, Wall Street uber-powers, and DLC insiders.
In a suite of offices three doors down Massachusetts Avenue from the Brookings Institution headquarters, Hillary Clinton's closest Wall Street allies are drawing up economic policy for the next Democratic administration.
The offices belong to the Hamilton Project, a small think tank created by Robert E. Rubin, Bill Clinton's Treasury secretary and key economic adviser, and former Treasury deputy secretary Roger C. Altman, who would be a front-runner for the same job in a new Clinton administration.
The project's research, so far, would be familiar to students of the first Clinton administration: creative, wonky proposals for softening the impact of globalization without interfering with international trade, most of them crafted with an eye to fiscal austerity and a balanced budget.
The key advisory role played by Rubin and Altman, two pre-eminent Democratic Party economic centrists, has drawn criticism from more left-leaning economic voices, who also tweak the presumptive nature of the project, given that not a single vote has yet been cast in the 2008 campaign. "One wag told me that their effort looks a lot like drafting the 2009 budget," said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, a think tank aligned with the more populist, labor-friendly segment of the Democratic Party.[snip]
Rubin is a key Wall Street ally of both Clintons, and a dominant player in Democratic Party economic policy. Altman served as a liaison between Sen. Clinton and Wall Street leaders as she ramped up her presidential campaign late last year, according to a New York Democrat.
The tension between the Hamilton Project's work and Sen. Clinton's more populist economic talking points on the stump is one of the things that has made her place in the long-running party debate over trade, deficits and globalization less than clear.
Clinton critics point to her Wall Street allies as a reason Democrats should look elsewhere. "The people that are close to her ... don't have much really to point to in terms of the interest of working men and women," said former Michigan congressman David E. Bonior, Edwards' campaign manager, who called President Clinton's trade policies "a disaster for working people."
Lauded by the Senator who made time in a busy schedule for the Project's launch:
I would love just to sit here with these folks and listen because you have on this panel and in this room some of the most innovative, thoughtful policymakers, people who have both ideas but also ways of implementing them into action. Our country owes a great debt to a number of people who are in this room because they helped put us on a pathway of prosperity that we are still enjoying, despite the best efforts of some. (Laughter)
I want to thank Bob [Rubin] and Roger [Altman] and Peter for inviting me to be here today. I wish I could be here longer. I am going to have to run after a few minutes because we do have an important issue relating to U.S.-India relations. But when Roger originally called to invite me, not only to this forum but to invite me to engage in this project, I couldn’t help but think that this was the sort of breath of fresh air that I think this town needs.
We have all known for some time that the forces of globalization have changed the rules of the game—how we work, how we prosper, how we compete with the rest of the word.We all know that the coming baby boomers’ retirement will only add to the challenges that we face in this new era. Unfortunately, while the world has changed around us, Washington has been remarkably slow to adapt twenty-first century solutions for a twenty-first century economy. As so many of us have seen, both sides of the political spectrum have tended to cling to outdated policies and tired ideologies instead of coalescing around what actually works.
For [liberals - kjm], and I include myself in that category, too many of us have been interested in defending programs the way they were written in 1938, believing that if we admit the need to modernize these programs to fit changing times, then the other side will use those acknowledgements to destroy them altogether. On the right, there is a tendency to push for massive tax cuts, as Peter indicated from my speech at Knox College, no matter what the cost or who the target is, a view that stems from the belief that there is no role for government whatsoever in the challenges we face. Of course, neither of these approaches really works.
[snip]
That is what I hope we will see from The Hamilton Project in the months and years to come. You have already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy circles.... So I know that there are going to be wonderful ideas that are generated as a consequence of this project.
Not every idea will I embrace, and I hope that one of the roles that I can play, as a participant in this process, is to not only encourage the work but occasionally challenge it. I will give one simple example. I think that if you polled many of the people in this room, most of us are strong free traders and most of us believe in markets. ...So, hopefully, this is not just going to be all of us preaching to the choir. Hopefully, part of what we are going to be doing is challenging our own conventional wisdom and pushing out the boundaries and testing these ideas in a vigorous and aggressive way.
But I can’t think of a better start, given the people who are participating today. I am glad that Brookings has been willing to provide a home for this wonderful effort.
Oh - the Senator who made time for the christening of the new corporatist think tank... the love child of the Clintons' BFF Robert Rubin?
Sen Barack Obama.
What a party: two free traders duking it out for the nomination.
Tweedle corporatist-Dum, Tweedle corporatist-Dee.
I'd ask someone to wake me up when the nominations are decided, but no need to baather.
Stampeding sheep make quite the sound and fury.
Especially when the reasons for the hue and cry are woolly to start with.
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Did I ever mention that I despise the DLC…
The 1938 New Deal would go far in getting us out of this mess we’re in…
Oh, now why did you have to recall the specter of Ralphie Nader??
Rubin who was at the helm of CitiCorp as it lost 10’s of billions with his market based approach to finance? Who got screwed?
The phrase “competition in the world” stood out to me. So if we don’t bomb them to oblivion we play dirty pool in economics and turn them in to slave labor pools… in a winner takes all international competition for resources.
The whole market meme is flawed but no one wants to think about the losers in competition, they just want to be on the winning side and f*ck it.
Losers are not happy campers are they?
Jeez, we need to bury the putrifying dead horse of FT. Maybe now that Wal street has screwed the economy with the mortgage mess someone will put these guys in jail. Perhps the young idealist Obamaics will be able to bring a paradigm shift - but like health care, it will be a struggle.
I would LOVE a market-based solution to many of America’s problems. That’d be a nice change from what Bush and the Republicans are now doing, which is to socialize the bailouts of the financial industry while making sure that the rewards, if any, are only shared by a few.
The odd thing is that this country is not about democracy and liberty and so forth.
It is all about FREE market capitalism. That’s the free that matters to these greedy creeps.
Where are the usury laws when we need them?
Capitalism is the new world for feudalism. Workers without rights are little more than serfs who work their whole lives to pay interest on the consumer crap they are seduced into buying.
the new WORD not world
Gone the way of the Dinosaurs…
We need to expose the DLC. Say. Who are thos guys?
Oh God, don’t get kiddo started on the DLC.
L.
Yup, but… there is always the possibility of things coming back. How come NO ONE is being held responsible for this banking mess. There should be 100s in jail for this already.
yup SEDUCED!
Have I bitched about right-wing think tanks lately?
The DLC is behind this? say no more the plan is a failure. The DLC are GOP lite. NAFTA destroyed the small family farm in Mexico (which resulted in the immigrant problem) raised the price of food there immediately and now here food prices are going up here.
Clinton balanced the budget, cut military spending, and actually ran the government .
Those three things are all the next President has to do.
End the war, give us French healthcare, and hybrid cars/green energy in other words all 3 of these ideas would save us money!
DLC compromise with Newt when Bill was President created Enron.
DLC Leadership Team.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137
The big guys always get a pass. They use tax dollars… and borrowed money, the people’s money to bail out these creeps every time.
We need a tax payer’s revolt.
I fully concur, the credit card companies should be first on the chopping block…
awww … the FT is the only paper I read. They actually cover parts of the world never mentioned in US papers and have a sense of humor.
Eventually a few minor players will pay. As usual, We, the People, will be only too happy to pick up the tab.
The FT is a great paper. And to think it comes in pink!
Happy Third Way Days could be here again.
Wow, no mention of Rahmbo… The one who recruited Carper and Ford…!
The market is not free nor fair but rigged by the financial freaks on wall street.
And this economy is just beginning to tank. The worst is yet to come.
On credit cards, and banks (Bank of America is grim): this is something that local activism could help with by setting up local restrictions on the type of economic activities that take place in a community - for example raising rates on CCs arbitrarily, or without prior notice.
Kirk … the rest of that statement from Sen. Obama back in 2006 included the following (along with his “I may not agree line above”:
Until we find a way to completely overhaul our economy, we’re going to have candidates with corporate links and embracing free trade … just means we need to work harder to bring about change.
Perhaps… I certainly hope they will.
They certainly will have a struggle with their candidate,
The Senator who took time from their busy schedule - the one who showed up to celebrate the launch of the Hamilton Project?
The Senator who fawned over the Hamilton Project in the remarks quoted above?
That’s Senator Obama.
Those idealists have a lot of work to do….
Short of brain transplantation, I can’t see how they’ll succeed.
But I sure wish ‘em luck.
Walter Wriston of city bank invented the credit card.
It was a conspiracy to stimulate consumerism, but making credit easily available and another revenue stream for the banks. They charged the vendors and the payers. And soon everyone abandoned savings for consumer credit.
And they substituted a credit score for a savings account and everyone is now tagged.
We are like little worker bees and the uber rich have 100 million dollar yachts and don’t pay taxes.
yea HOMELAND SECURITY
Posted on: Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Baby held in locked room at airport dies
A 14-day-old infant traveling here for heart surgery died at Honolulu International Airport on Friday after he, his mother and a nurse were detained by immigration officials in a locked room, a lawyer for the boy’s family said.
The Honolulu medical examiner’s office yesterday identified the infant as Michael Futi of Tafuna, American Samoa’s largest village, which is located on the east coast of Tutuila Island. Autopsy findings have been deferred.
We all will need luck. This is the only thing taught in many econ classes today.
so many billionaires like Rumsfield on the death of many brown people
Good night dear people. Lahoma and I are retiring upstairs. She wants to watch a movie. What’s my job? Swiss Miss with marshmellows (are we getting set in our ways?). You are fighting the good fight. Of course you don’t me to tell you that.
Capitalism and capitalists OWN this country. They will never give it up to regulated socialism… or even regulated capitalism.
This country has nothing to do with democracy. It’s only an economic engine.
All they do for metrics of the nation is measure economics.
” It rejects the latent signs of protectionism recently visible on Capitol Hill. But it makes a strong case for the state to play a more constructive role both in improving the efficiency of America’s market economy, but also in addressing the growing inequity of market outcomes. “
Translation forget protecting Good, Union, High Paying jobs, but we in Washington are ready to bailout the banks and hedgefunds if they get into trouble.
What do you want to bet any Washington bailout of FORD MOTOR COMPANY will require the union workers to cut back wages and benefits?
Even though the reason people will support a bailout of FORD is because they provide those wages and benefits.
Its funny to listen to DLC/GOP businessmen talk about the economy when its all been downhill since we stopped following FDR’s plans.
So we have a choice of three “free-trade” (free for corporations) candidates: Hillary, Obama, McCain. What a choice!
As usual, welfare state for the rich, free enterprise for the rest of us.
No doubt we’ll continue to have candidates with corporate links (and umbilicals) embracing “free” trade.
Which is why the clearest route to bring change would be to support candidates who didn’t embrace it - and clearly stated so.
Of course, that’s not a way to get in good with former Sec. Rubin and the Citigroup mafia.
yup the 1%ers own 50 % of everything ,i guess the Saudis own the rest
Thanks for the UN_EDITED version. It seems some here have their own agenda on how we are to perceive Obama.
Salmon! I’m serious I used to deliver it.
The Fed is a private corporation which loans money to the government and WE pay them hundreds of billions in interest every month.
Wall street is the segment of the economy which produces absolutely nothing.
Actually, they’d been spinning it that the baby hadn’t been delayed, and they are not responsible… They said the parents hadn’t made any advance notifications that the baby was in dire need of immediate medical care(which was the sole purpose of the trip), and, they weren’t delayed ‘unnecessarily’… It’s been widely reported here in the Isles…!
i keep getting epu’d
trying to do too many things at one time.
kirk knows i respect his thread…….
ecahn, left a message for you at 111
now, to read the post
1/10 of 1 percenters…! ;-)
Sander … corporate power is real, yes. That’s why I work in the field of corporate responsibility - how do we create a framework that requires corporations to work in ways that benefit their communities, workers and the environment?
There’s a very strong movement amongst religious groups, environmentalists, NGOs and some great folks inside corporations trying to do just that. A key way is shifting the thinking of investors - providing carrots and sticks based on corporate behavior - and the cool thing is that everyone can participate - from shifting your purchases to fair trade and from companies that behave to making sure any investments you have and any state pensions, etc you have an interest in demand the same standards.
That was a lot to leave out the post.
Well, we don’t know. That 14 day old could have been a terrorist.
WTF has my country come to?
The good news is that the capitalist bubble is going to burst. Not the dot.com, not the sub prime, not the S&L.. the whole bloody think. The house of cards WILL collapse.
Then what?
Obama was schmoozing during their launch, two years ago. There are no policy endorsements there. In fact, he says he will disagree with them on some (unspecified) things. For balance, you should have mentioned his much more recent (today) progressive speech on trade.
Kirk … I don’t see a candidate in the race who is running on the Mondragon platform so we makes our choices amongst the ones we’ve got, eh?
DLC or GOP idea can voters tell the difference? Heck can the politically savvy folks here at FDL tell the difference between a GOP idea and a DLC one?
* trick question there is no difference
Economic boycotts do work… Look at South Africa during Apartheid…!
Banks are only subject to the laws of the states in which they are incorporated. That’s why they are all in Delaware or North (or is it South?) Dakota - no usury laws.
Some within corporations may be “green” and ethical, but not so in finance and they are the one’s who own the corporations. Corporations are all leveraged with debt and so they dance to the bankers and hedge funds and now Sov welath funds. That’s just money looking for return. nothing more.
Exactly … and there are many ways beyond boycotts to have impact. In my work I get to see the internal programs for example to deal with sweatshops - now no companies would get an A+ on this - and many companies are now admitting that - but there are developments, audits of factories, open reporting of practices etc which were unheard of in the past and that’s thanks in many ways to college students pushing for no sweatshop goods on their campuses …. imagine if we all participated?
Siun, those are nice words for Sen Obama to have spoken.
Perhaps he’s also made a point of showing up at the launch of “fair trade groups”.
Perhaps he’s made those nice words into legislation he’s introduced and championed - legislation calling for the US to exercise our right to withdraw from the WTO / NAFTA / CAFTA in order to re-negotiate the agreements to ensure labor and the environment are given protection and deference equal to that which the “free” trade agreements currently reserve only for transational capital.
But I can’t find any record of those actions.
He did take the action to show up and fawn on the launch of the Hamilton Society - and those who created it.
Like his pal Bob Rubin and his pal who was Clinton’s Dep. Treasury Secretary.
Perhaps one day, his actions on mitigating the catastrophic results of the “free” trade agreements will match his profession of concern about the consequences.
But to date - not so much.
yeah States Rights… a repub rallying cry
Thanks. Sounds like great memories & trip into NYC.
So AT&T and Verison hit here. But how does a people boycott a near monopoly?
I was so bummed when I learned the Iphone was AT&T only.
Got rid of my landline and just have Sprint now.
Oh, and where’s our buddy LS?
Sander - within the financial markets there’s a growing realization that there are serious risks in unethical behavior - it’s still very early in this but take a look at the UN Principals of Responsible Investment for example. I don’t expect miracles but I do see movement in an interesting direction which we can support.
OK your right, I was thinking trout pink. But, salmon it is!
Kiddo and I like Obama.
Goodnight.
L.
I don’t utilize AT&T or Verizon, which was bought out by AT&T, BTW, I use Vonage! *g*
“transnational capital”, not “transational”.
Preview is my firned.
It was also an intellectual boycott (no scholarly interaction and in some ways that was even more powerful.
Larry Craig gets a *spanking*!
Of course, and why is it that Texas and Alaska get to charge the rest of the states huge prices for oil? What are we missing?
eah, when it works for the multinationals. When they want a mass market, they favor one set of rules, enforced by the Federal Government through the ICC. Heads I win, tails you lose!
One can hope, but when people think that have multi billion dollar fortunes is OK we have a problem. That sort of wealth is obscene and means millions are suffering for their yachts and portfolios.
The whole concept of wealth accumulation is fundamental to capitalism, american it is is fundamentally wrong.
Why put a band aid on a cancer?
Dayam - sure would like to have a big King show up at my door. How do I sign up?
The Hamilton Project “It rejects the latent signs of protectionism recently visible on Capitol Hill.”
Protectionism is visible again because Bill and Bush 2 outsourced everything after almost 15 years of free traders running the economy people want change for a reason.
I’m for fair trade myself. I see no reason to allow sweatshop labor to undercut the price of clothing jobs here. I see no reason for Mexico to cut their farm subsides while we flooded Mexico with cheap corn driving the bankrupt farmers here…and then raise the price of corn once the competition is up north working here.
Free Trade is bad for everyone not only us. Free Trade does not *vomit* help the poor brown people .
How ethical can a corporation like Exon Mobil be? They make 50 billion in profit and fought paying a few tens of millions for clean up of the oil spill?
And their billions in profits is killing millions of people? Where’s the ethics there?
Shall we talk Pharma?
I’m writing this before reading the comments, and I’ve no brief for the conservative side of Brookings, but as a Ph.D (Piled High and Deep) in Economics, I have to say that the United States is careering towards a situation that is in very distant ways like the one Hamilton solved. Worse, in a way, because at least the economics-informed part of the American public — which was a large portion in an age of restricted suffrage — supported him. Not the case today.
If we were to take a rational expectations view (I don’t necessarily take that view) the US is careering towards bankruptcy. The social security trust funds have been raided by the current bandits in office. They should be arrested and sent to G’Mo for this and worse crimes, but whatever, it’s water under the bridge and as Jevons said, bye-gones are bye-gones. We can’t get our youth back.
So given that, the US has to dig itself out of a financial hole. That’s the Hamiltonian momewnt. Who pays that digging is an entirely different question. We will have to wait and see how the Hamiltonians play it. I think (without knowing who they are) that it’s an even bet between the middle classes and the rich. Assuming the big ‘O’ gets elected, I put my money on the rich. But there’s no question that we will have to fight the Social Security battle all over again. It’s on the table.
Anyway, all this is to say, we are in a deep hole. The dead bodies in it stink to hell. Somebody has to pay to bury them. It’s our obligation to make sure that the people who killed them pay that cost.
paper, Kirk, the color of the FT. *g*
Verizon I believe is still a separate company from AT&T. What is currently known as AT&T was SBC (another one of the Baby Bells) but re-named themselves when they acquired the old AT&T.
Verizon is made up of the old Bell Atlantic and NYNEX Baby Bells plus GTE
Show me a huge trans national corporation which acts in the interest of anyone but their shareholders?
Gee Kirk, you paint a grim picture, I’m gonna have to swallow a whole bunch of sanguinity pills now.
And Sander, oh you guys is just truthin’ us right out of our widdle minds.
(And, you know, Sander, I is in totality agreement with your darkest insights)
OK Kirk, Edwards might have got ‘it’ - Obama and Clinton (beloved as they are) aren’t gonna rise to the occassion and most of us realize that ‘things’ are going to get much worse than ‘people’ realize. That’s the ‘good news’.
So what do ya propose that we should do? Now? This ‘election’? None of our ‘choices’ are adequate to the demands of the time. Therefore, truthiness asks, ‘What actual, in fact ‘real’ suggestions have you?’
We are reduced to merest ‘hope’ are we not? And hopeiness ain’t much to predicate our future on, now is it?
Salmon is Pink isn’t it? My point was the FT guys were snooty and pretentious
Pink was to common and or feminine Salmon is well snooty.
I am curious to see what the economic geniuses come up with the erase the trillions of debt the US has created?
Lower the dollar and increase exports? Exports of what? Bombs and Jetliners? That’s about all we produce here.
kirk-i finally read the post, although all of the links, i admit i did not do, some got hung up on my dial-up machine………..
obama says- in plain daylight, on his own, in an atmosphere where he is free to speak in whatever manner he wants-”as a participant in this process, is to not only encourage the work but occasionally challenge it. I will give one simple example. I think that if you polled many of the people in this room, most of us are strong free traders and most of us believe in markets. …So, hopefully, this is not just going to be all of us preaching to the choir. Hopefully, part of what we are going to be doing is challenging our own conventional wisdom and pushing out the boundaries and testing these ideas in a vigorous and aggressive way.”
free trader, gee, has this been discussed much? no
do you all have any idea what free trade means? no
do you have any idea what free trade has to do with the economy? no
do you have any idea what the mortgage game going on right now has to do with free trade? no
do you have any idea what the bonds market has to do with free trade? no
do you have any idea what hedge funds have to do with free trade?
do you have any idea what interest rates have to do with free trade? no
read again what the man said, in plain english.
please oh please read up on what free trade really means, and all of the things that are impacted because of it, it will curl your hair, the only reason i ever did was because i have a friend who is an economist, and let me know what i didn’t know.
i’m just sayin’
i’m a dodd pod. he’s outta the race. stupid you.
people don’t get what kinds of deals are being made, even by those that enchant you.
They’ll let inflation eat away at the dollar, reducing debt (and our purchasing power). The dollar has dropped significantly already. A few years ago, the Euro was struggling to reach .80, now it is over $1.50 and rising. We lost about half our purchasing power in the international markets in the past five years.
Vestas wind Systems Denmark worlds biggest pure play in windmills. Any German solar cell firm there are several.
You’re right, I was thinking of when Verizon wireless was bought up by AT&T wireless… My bad!
The government has to seize the assets of the big corporations, nationalize them. Tax the hell out of the wealthy, remove all the tax havens, loop holes and get our money back.
Drop the military to a tiny fraction of what it is. Put people to work on WPA type enviro, energy and infra structure rebuilds.
Outlaw interest above 10% for anything.
Incomes above $1MM taxed 95%
Wealth and inheritances taxed 90%
All ROIs above 10% are taxed 100%. We need to cut the greed and get the money out of private hands and into the peoples hands for a change.
uh oh, Kirk, whenever I see a new post by you, I know I’m going to have my worst suspicions confimed.
Whoa! Balls to the wall, eh?
Free markets are like a casino. If you have nothing to bet, you are not in the game.
In response to SanderO @ 81
They’ll let inflation eat away at the dollar, reducing debt (and our purchasing power). The dollar has dropped significantly already. A few years ago, the Euro was struggling to reach .80, now it is over $1.50 and rising. We lost about half our purchasing power in the international markets in the past five years.
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Holy! Gas in Seattle is $3 a gallon lets assume the Euroe was at a 1 to 1 with the Dollar if the Euroe is at $1.50 a dollar then gas would be at $2 a gallon if the Dollar had kept par with the Euro.
We have the dollar by 1/3 then.
I don’t believe in markets.
Markets make many losers and a few winners.
Just what ideas for our economy does this project have? Or are they all Karl’s ideas?
Things, you are so spot on.
NAFTA “externalized” tens (hundreds?) of thousands of near-subsistence farmers in Mexico; they lost their livlihood when subsidized US corn crashed into Mexican markets. The subsidized US corn so undercut their real costs they could not possibly compete.
[Of course, the tortilla mfrs didn’t pass on the lower costs - just pocketed the difference.]
Where did those disenfranchised farmers go?
In great numbers, to El Norte.
So the wonders of “free” trade destroyed their lives and communities - to survive, they came to the US.
Where the corporatist party found a new industry: privatized INS jails.
Which we taxpayers subsdize.
Funny how something called “free” trade keeps costiing so damn much - and destroying so many lives and communities on both sides of our borders.
Most of the people in the world live on less than $2 a day.
Hello?????????????????????????
carolynu–yes, worst suspicions confirmed……….but that’s a good thing.
Prison industrial complex: the fastest growing industry in the USA
2.5 million incarcerated today. Highest per capita in the world.
Thanks Kirk:)
No, you have it backwards. If the Euro was 1-1, then went to 1.50 (i.e. cost of a Euro went from $1 to $1.50), everything costs half again as much (in dollars).
If the dollar drops to 2 cents our debtors lost all the value of the junk bonds we sold them so we could buy their shit.
The when no one will take dollars for oil dollar holders will have completely useless currency.
Oh that’s gonna be lovely
Now that is the daring agenda we need. It might work in Venezuela, but the bodies would have to be piled very high for this nation to act in so civilized a fashion.
I wonder where the energy and money will come from to primary our Democratic president in 2012, whoever s/he may be. Progressives, keep your powder dry!
hmmm… depends how you look at it.
Kirk, I value your posts for their truth telling. Never easy reading, keeps me up at night with dark thoughts, but true.
Kirk … I’m not suggesting that Obama is an anti-globalization activist. I was simply pointing out that he did both say he might not agree with them, that there was a need to challenge conventional thinking and then he closed by reminding them of the human cost of what they were theorizing about.
Not sure I’d identify that as fawning but he clearly didn’t tell them they all sucked.
I think the only candidate who might have done that would have been either Dennis or maybe Gravel.
So that’s what is …then the question is what do we do about it?
I have some things I think are helpful - not solutions but pushing a bit in the right direction. I’d love to know others.
There you go again, truthin’ us remorseleesly. Go Kirk! Go!
Sorry CarolynU.
Look on the bright side - at least you can close the browser.
Try as I may, I can’t figure out a safe and viable way to do the same for my (waking) brain.
[Of course, on the bright side for me: things could be worse. I shuld be grateful Microsoft only makes browsers, not brains… *g* ]
The oil producers keep raising the