Comments on: McCain’s Victory Speech: Night Of The Living Dead http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:00:55 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: DrZen http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1272269 DrZen Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:17:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1272269 <p>He is not trying to inspire. He is, in this instance, telling the truth, which those not already infatuated with Obama will recognise. It’s fine to talk talk talk about “hope”. It’s meaningless. Just a politician’s word.</p> He is not trying to inspire. He is, in this instance, telling the truth, which those not already infatuated with Obama will recognise. It’s fine to talk talk talk about “hope”. It’s meaningless. Just a politician’s word.

]]> By: Kitt http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271521 Kitt Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:40:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271521 <p>Be my guest. Humor is our best weapon.</p> Be my guest. Humor is our best weapon.

]]> By: wobblybits http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271216 wobblybits Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:14:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271216 <p>It is just something that I noticed in general, it was not directed at the OP or the thread.</p> It is just something that I noticed in general, it was not directed at the OP or the thread.

]]> By: siri http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271139 siri Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:42:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271139 <p>I made this point last night, but I think it bears repeating. I watched McCain’s speech, painful as it was and trying not to laugh. He made a point I found interesting, however. He SAID, he would not speak only to those who agreed with him, which I <em>presumed </em>to mean he would do away with “free speech zones”. Now, I’m a person who was born in a country that is, EVERY SQUARE FOOT, a FREE SPEECH ZONE. I think it’s worth noting that I haven’t heard either Obama or Clinton address that issue. I hope they do as we move along in this election. </p> <p>My point is not that I would EVER support McCain. I wouldn’t! But some of his statements last night had relevance on issues and topics that the others have not broached. Yet. And I recall Biden’s words, when he said that John McCain “is the most experienced and tested candidate running in this election. But HE’S WRONG”. (NOT a direct quote, but the message is intact.)</p> <p>So, sorry to repeat myself, but I think it’s a good idea to listen, if you can get through it without snoozing, to what any opponent is saying. What he’s saying is going to resonate with those who actually intend to vote for him. He’s NOT a light weight opponent just because he lacks a dynamic punch in his message. I don’t want to underestimate him! It would be <em><strong>disastrous</strong></em> to this nation if he actually won!!!<strong></strong></p> I made this point last night, but I think it bears repeating. I watched McCain’s speech, painful as it was and trying not to laugh. He made a point I found interesting, however. He SAID, he would not speak only to those who agreed with him, which I presumed to mean he would do away with “free speech zones”. Now, I’m a person who was born in a country that is, EVERY SQUARE FOOT, a FREE SPEECH ZONE. I think it’s worth noting that I haven’t heard either Obama or Clinton address that issue. I hope they do as we move along in this election.

My point is not that I would EVER support McCain. I wouldn’t! But some of his statements last night had relevance on issues and topics that the others have not broached. Yet. And I recall Biden’s words, when he said that John McCain “is the most experienced and tested candidate running in this election. But HE’S WRONG”. (NOT a direct quote, but the message is intact.)

So, sorry to repeat myself, but I think it’s a good idea to listen, if you can get through it without snoozing, to what any opponent is saying. What he’s saying is going to resonate with those who actually intend to vote for him. He’s NOT a light weight opponent just because he lacks a dynamic punch in his message. I don’t want to underestimate him! It would be disastrous to this nation if he actually won!!!

]]> By: tw3k http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271125 tw3k Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:30:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271125 <p>Ah yes, good to hear that NRP (<strong>N</strong>ational <strong>P</strong>ropaganda for the <strong>R</strong>ight-wing) is still sensitive to the important issues.</p> Ah yes, good to hear that NRP (National Propaganda for the Right-wing) is still sensitive to the important issues.

]]> By: wobblybits http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271123 wobblybits Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:28:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271123 <p>I’m not chewing on anyone and I wasn’t targeting anyone, I was just voicing an opinion. Take it in the spirit that is was offered.</p> I’m not chewing on anyone and I wasn’t targeting anyone, I was just voicing an opinion. Take it in the spirit that is was offered.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271122 merkwurdiglieber Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:26:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271122 <p>A perfect illustration of the beltway kool-aid kidz rallying behind<br /> their candidate… if they try to sell that nationwide it may be a<br /> much harder sell than to the amen corner at the house of Murdoch.</p> A perfect illustration of the beltway kool-aid kidz rallying behind
their candidate… if they try to sell that nationwide it may be a
much harder sell than to the amen corner at the house of Murdoch.

]]> By: JoeBuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271120 JoeBuck Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:21:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271120 <p>I was listening to NPR last night, and heard Mara Liasson (who’s worked for Fox News for 10 years in addition to her NPR gig) raving about McCain’s speech, thinking it was a great shot at Obama, and also, amazingly, talking about how it was setting up McCain for a campaign from the <i>center</i>. Yes, I kid you not, the <i>center</i>.</p> <p>Perhaps to a Fox News person or a Broderite, McCain’s idea that staying in Iraq forever and not hoping for anything better is the mature adult position is centrist.</p> I was listening to NPR last night, and heard Mara Liasson (who’s worked for Fox News for 10 years in addition to her NPR gig) raving about McCain’s speech, thinking it was a great shot at Obama, and also, amazingly, talking about how it was setting up McCain for a campaign from the center. Yes, I kid you not, the center.

Perhaps to a Fox News person or a Broderite, McCain’s idea that staying in Iraq forever and not hoping for anything better is the mature adult position is centrist.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271118 merkwurdiglieber Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:18:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271118 <p>Chew on Blue Texan about it then… that was the frame of the thread,<br /> like it or not.</p> Chew on Blue Texan about it then… that was the frame of the thread,
like it or not.

]]> By: wobblybits http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271110 wobblybits Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:09:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/mccains-victory-speech-night-of-the-living-dead/#comment-1271110 <p>I have heard that as well but I have also heard remarks that had were targeted at him strictly because of his age, not because he represents the old guard of politics. If the criticism is framed around he as a representative or symbolic of this old style of politics, great frame it as so but just calling him, ‘gramps’ or making Geritol comments doesn’t quite bring McCain’s style or representation of politics to mind.</p> I have heard that as well but I have also heard remarks that had were targeted at him strictly because of his age, not because he represents the old guard of politics. If the criticism is framed around he as a representative or symbolic of this old style of politics, great frame it as so but just calling him, ‘gramps’ or making Geritol comments doesn’t quite bring McCain’s style or representation of politics to mind.

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