Bob Somerby alerts us to the fact that Maureen Dowd has gone all concern troll over the sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton by the media.
No, it's not April Fools:
Like you, we did a double-take at the start of this piece. Was she serious? Dowd seemed to be writing about the problem of “misogyny” in the coverage of Hillary Clinton! In fact, no one has done more than Dowd to introduce various forms of gender-loathing into our political discourse. For that reason, we were surprised by her choice of topics. But we thought, once again, of mental disorder when she offered this clownish account of this vexing problem:
DOWD (2/13/08): Many women I talk to, even those who aren't particularly fond of Hillary, feel empathy for her, knowing that any woman in a world dominated by men has to walk a tightrope between femininity and masculinity, strength and vulnerability.
They see double standards they hate—when male reporters described Hillary's laugh as ''a cackle'' or her voice as ''grating,'' when Rush Limbaugh goes off on her wrinkles or when male pundits seem gleeful to write her political obituary. Several women I know, who argue with their husbands about Hillary, refer with a shudder to the ''Kill the Witch'' syndrome.
Really, you've got to be kidding. Maureen Dowd? The ultimate poison-penned Heather who lives to stomp down on on the jugular of any woman who aims too high with a vicious overpriced boot heel? Give me a fucking break.
And true to form, Dowd can't even get through the column before she's compulsively at it again:
In a webcast, prestidigitator Penn Jillette talks about a joke he has begun telling in his show. He thinks the thunderous reaction it gets from audiences shows that Hillary no longer has a shot.
The joke goes: ''Obama is just creaming Hillary. You know, all these primaries, you know. And Hillary says it's not fair, because they're being held in February, and February is Black History Month. And unfortunately for Hillary, there's no White Bitch Month.
Is Chris Matthews really worse than this? Is it any better because the New York Times has some acid, waspish harridan who is putatively female saying it?
MSNBC's gyno-bashing problem does not occur because there are no women on the network; rather, it's because -- as Somerby has long noted -- the only women who are asked back are those who flatter the hosts and won't call them on their disfunctional, sexist remarks. Since there are no women in a position of power free to say what they really feel without fear of being shitcanned on the network, we have to settle for Andrea Mitchell, Kate O'Beirne and other women who are willing to get their face time in front of a camera by attacking other women.
Neither they nor Dowd represent "equal time" for women. They're just rubber stampers, repackaged sexism, happy to have the misogny outsourced to them due to their willingness to give it the good gyno seal of approval.
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Uhh, RBG, Jane raised the issue…
ooh, ZED is not dead!
Hehindeedy!
Maureen Dowd can got fuck herself since no one else will.
Ewww, who’d want to…? ;-)
Don’t like Hillary. She’s a corporate shill.
Besides, imagine Hil and Bill (once again).
Hey, I saw over at Pandagon a bit ago that she can even legally do so in Texas now! :})
My, my! Here I am early to a thread for once, and what have we on the menu as my reward but putativity!
There was a time when the mere thought of Dowd occupying such valuable space at the Times was enough to make my heart sink, but I’m inured now.
“White bitch” I guess she gets that moniker because she’s smart and strong and has the gall to want to be president.
Did she really say that? A similar racial slur would get her fired.
In the FDL column this morning, someone stated the hope that HRC will take a Kennedy role. Who knows? The thing I feel deep in my soul is that we/women, especially, all owe Hillary. She may or may not win, but she has broken barriers, shown the strength, guts, courage, whatever you call it, to conduct an upbeat, smart campaign. Smart because she is brilliant, diligent, and more. She has been a winner no matter how it turns out.
MODO’s mouldering mental meanderings have become quite mendacious.
“Praise the lord and pass the AA batteries.”
Pandagon
:})
I totally agree with that premise… You’ve come a long ways, baby… Particularly from Shirley Chisholm’s and Ferraro’s bids…
Slightly OT.
I have always thought that Hillary stayed married to Bill after Monica because it would have damaged her political aspirations to split up. A guy (Reagan, for instance) can be divorced and electable. Can a woman? If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, is she going to split up with Bill?
Accept my apology if this is a worthless and sexist post.
Maureen Dowd was, for me, an appealing novelty for about a month. Good for a few chuckles. But, like David Brooks, she wears thin very quickly. Like David Brooks, she’s extremely shallow and egotistical.
If she’s still sucking you into her idiotic columns, slap yourself around some. Find a bucket of cold water and start splashing.
Why the New York Times hasn’t replaced her is beyond me.
The word “harridan” isn’t used enough in today’s society.
Just sayin’.
When is Hillary going to congratulate Obama for his string of wins and acknowledge it at her events the way every other candidate does?
When is Clinton going to release her tax returns (and with deference of Newtonuser who is anxious for a compare and contrast list from me that’s coming–I kind of got FISA side tracked with my political time for yesterday and today) here’s a comparison and contrast:
Obama released his tax returns
Clinton refuses to release here–her surrogates on the campaign trail point to her Senate reports. Senate reports ain’t jack diddly. They are very general. They tell ya nothing. That’s why the Senate approved them. We want Clinton’s tax returns. Where is that $5 million coming from?
When will Clinton explain why she failed to show up to vote on the FISA amendments yesterday. Compare and Contrast please. Hokey. Obama was there for every vote. McBush was there for every vote as well. Clinton was absent.
Thanks for reading this, Jane. I no longer click on Dowd, as I don’t want the NYT to think more people are eager to read her than really are. I’ve never read Kristol, and just generally stay away from all of the sicko eds at NYT and WaPo. Somebody’s keeping track of how many people read whom, or at least it would seem logical. Course Glenn Beck is still on and nobody watches him, so logic isn’t always applicable.
Modo- moto trasher. Hi Jane & everyone. I think she is running on empty, a parody of her former self, who is relying increasingly on parody.
Here’s some raw numbers for the Hillary backers. She needs to take every future race with a majority of 60% or she loses this election. She’s not going to be able to do this.
That she did.
”the only women who are asked back are those who flatter the hosts and won’t call them on their disfunctional, sexist remarks. Since there are no women in a position of power free to say what they really feel without fear of being shitcanned on the network, we have to settle for Andrea Mitchell, Kate O’Beirne and other women who are willing to get their face time in front of a camera by attacking other women.”
Really? Because I would hardly put Rachel Maddow and Katrina vanden Heuvel in the category of ”white bitch,” much less in the same league as Andrea, Kate, or Maureen.
NewsHour on the Writer’s Strike now
Gonna go adjust some track lighting now.
These Hillary “jokes” are all over the place. They share common characteristics.
1) They aren’t funny- which is a serious problem for a joke.
2) They have the subtlety of a truck wreck
3) They are nothing but an insult masquerading as a joke- like “Hillary’s a bitch”.
Sorry, Pete, you’re mistaken, on the final vote, the 68-29 vote he was absent …
Speaking of Loo Hoo (Hi you)
There was a time here at FLD when there were very few voices for HRC.
Somebody’s keeping track of how many people read whom, or at least it would seem logical.
Actually, there is an aspect to the Internet, ala Biodun’s very fine post earlier here, that wasn’t discussed.
Who’s zooming who?
I just find it interesting to follow the comments here, watching who is the Candidate Du Jour.
Another soundbite, another person to stand behind.
Not just here, but a lot of other places too.
Loo Hoo’s been faithful.
There isn’t much similarity of MODO to David Brooks who has come up with absurd rationalizations. Yesterday Brooks lamented that if a dem is President, and they actually withdraw troops they will destroy the wonderful gains made lately. Brooks alludes to the success of “the surge in Iraq” all the time, but he never details what the success is he’s touting.
When Reality Bites by David Brooks
Sorry for the mistake. That final vote wasn’t too close was it? He was there for every vote on the amendments then. So was McBush.
Did Penn Gillette really tell that joke? It seems unlike him, to be both hurtful and not funny. Or maybe I’ve mis-perceived him.
If you ever find yourself needing to read a NYT columnist, and don’t want to be counted as a reader, go to Marion in Savannah’s site. She runs the main columnists every day, in very readable form. (Thanks, Marion).
I just saw a tabliod with a headline ssaying they had agreed to divorce if she didn’t get the nomination.
You know one of those really tabloidy tabloids with “batboy” sitings and Elvis is alive articles. i wouldn’t put too much stock in that.
Do you see how mad Bill gets when someone attacks her? This is not a dead relationship. It may not be a relationship I understand, but there is clearly a strong bond of some sort between them.
Nope, they sold us down the river… 8-(
One nice thing about getting old is that it means there’s less & less time I’ll have to put up with misogyny.
Reasons why they haven’t replaced her:
She’s won a Pulitzer. She is satirical toward both sides of the aisle.
It’s been my experience that with some comedy folk, Nothing is Fair Game.
Much comedy is Irrevrant.
Guess you had to be there. Context is what I’m talking about.
It’s prolly okay with him if you don’t get it.
I’m just saying the world will keep spinning.
It’s obvious that for Bobo, Reality Bites . . . big time. That explains why he’s in fantasyland most of the time.
I didn’t see the final result of all the voting in the House. Where do we stand now? Are we at an impasse?
He appears on Glenn Beck’s show and agrees with the host.
I think Penn Gillette is a Republican, so that “joke” would fit.
Damn if your hipness doesn’t make me smile.
Choose your battles, and F U, anyway, works as a stategy for me too.
Sixteen more servicemen featured on the morgue wall of the NewsHour tonight. May they haunt George Bush for the rest of his life.
ABC News: ‘08 Candidates Keeping Tax Info SecretMay … Edwards has indicated that he will keep his tax returns private, … Presidential Candidates Defy Tradition, Refuse to Release Taxes …
i.abcnews.com/Politics/story?id=3165953&page=1
[Mod Note; is this the the correct link? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3165953 ]
The Repug’s attempt to float the Senate bill failed and the 21 day extension failed so it’s up to the Conference Committee…
The GOP and their minions are working over time to set up a stabbed in the back narrative in regard to the Iraq occupation.
Kristol, Brooks, O’Hanlon, Boot, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and the rest are working furiously to set the table and then begin shrieking Black Hawk Down at every new incident that occurs after Bush dumps his flaming turd on his successor.
-G
My only defense against misogyny was doing a better job.
I guess thats one way to look at it… but I like to think we are seeing things changing for the good as 10 years this wasn’t even discussed in public and now it is. That at least is some progress in mankind that it can be discussed at all.
Goddamn Hollywood is filled with them.
-G
I just loved his ‘Dr Retail’ op-ed… ;-)
Damn straight.
And, funny thing is, it’s Not. That. Hard. To. Do.
Am I right?
The new president come this November will be Obama or Hillary. We in this house are not uncomfortable with this. We will support the nominee of the Democratic Party.
And I like the way the Clintons stick up for each other.
That soulless stooge says he sleeps fine.
-G
Malaise of incrementalism, aka too little, too late.
Yep.
But it is still more than it was… thus some progress, maybe not enough, but fuck we can’t get everything all the time now can we??
So there actually is going to be a conference committee? Up until last night Cboldt doubted there would be.
Is there a counterpart to misogeny? Not saying anything, I’m just asking.
Penn Gillette is a libertarian. Even worse. He’s always been a big kid with a bit of a mean streak, it’s just much less noticeable when it’s aimed against targets that you don’t like.
Ms. Dowd is so yesteryear.
L.
A similar racial slur would get her fired.
It did for Imus, who’s back years too soon imo.
(Of course, if Penn thinks that white women would get wbm, I do wonder what little private name he has for Black History Month, and why would he thing that a black candidate’s showing is determined by it? But Penn Jillette’s maunderings aren’t really the topic here, but those of people who call themselves leading our political discourse in major media outlets.)
I saw Pelosi’s letter just released on FISA–they’re saying the right things if they could just muster the votes to stick with stripping immunity.
Pelosi’s Statement on FISA
So, it sure seems like the law enforcement agencies are starting to get the hint that it’s good to abuse people.
Slapping around kids on skateboards, dumping the disabled from wheel chairs….Now that they are tazing Fox sportscasters it is one step too far.
The brutality abroad is coming on home.
-G
Jane, this was a terrific post and I’m glad you wrote it. There is much more than just Modo going on, and although Hillary inspires people to take multiple stances, any other female would also have a tough time.
Time for me to fix supper.
Maybe. For me, I call it unconditional love.
No one judging anyone else, for anything.
It’s a pretty high bar.
What are your thoughts?
Bmaz has a post up discussing it…
http://emptywheel.firedoglake......#more-1798
Actually, other than promotion & whatever was said about me behind my back, misogyny has not been a problem for me. Men just don’t tend to do it to my face. So my life has been pretty much the same, no matter how much is going around. What bothers me about it (in addition to my issues with promotion) is that women shouldn’t need to have personalities like mine in order to feel comfortable in a male professional world. Like many values that the Ds share, it’s not because you are personally affected, but because it just ain’t fair.
Jane, you seem to have forgotten that Rachel Maddow (who appears regularly on MSNBC) got in Chris Matthews’ face over his anti-Hillary sexism just after the New Hampshire primary.
It’s also true that Maddow has said some kind things about Matthews and Shuster. But she strikes me as the kind of person that can demolish a conservative like Pat Buchanan in an argument and still be on good personal terms with him/her. I think that this style of argument is very effective for our side, and I wouldn’t characterize it as flattering to the men; she’s simply a decent human being. And I wish that she had a more prominent role and that we had more like her on the air.
Just got back. Thanks. I’m going to be happy with Barack though, assuming he’s our guy. Didn’t I read somewhere today that he’s thinking single payer now? That would be fantastic.
Why would Tweety defend Hill’s non-release of her taxes…? WTF?
cause he doesn’t want to release his tax records when he runs for the Senate in PA
Thanks, I will. I get to see Marion occasionally in the morning and have her cyber coffee and muffins!
Yeppers. Me too.
There’s really not that hard of a choice, is there?
Scarface or Da Preacha Man.
McCain has made his bed.
eCAHN I agree with you it is not right or good for that to happen and the old boys is not… not the way it should be. I have learned that it does not matter what is the facade that we see but what the actions and intent of the inner self are what truly matter. It probably helps me that I was the middle boy between four ssiters that shaped my attitudes but you know I am glad, for any thing else would mean a personal loss to me as I wold miss so much in others that I enjoy.
Surely, you jest…?! ;-)
My thoughts? There is just as much bad humor, general disapproval, and blatant stereotyping coming from each side of the bed. Guys generally don’t complain about it, but it’s there.
Hillary has used her membership in the sisterhood. Remember her remark about cleaning up after another Bush? That’s a straight up whatever-the-reverse-of-misogenistic comment. Once the card is laid on the table, it is fair for either side to play it.
I don’t condone it by either side. I figure it’s easy enough to piss people off without even trying, it is stupid to go out of your way to make enemies.
Hi all.
I think we shouldn’t be too harsh on Ms. Dowd. She actually deserves some loving concern, if not actual pity. After all, she’s getting older, losing her looks and she really doesn’t have much else going for her except catty meanness, and that doesn’t go over so well after a while. Nobody minds laugh lines, but those frown wrinkles area dead giveaway.
Who’s on the conference committee?
43 leftwing moonbats, check that, 43 retired generals send a letter tothe US Congress stating that torture is wrong.
John McCain was against it before he was for it.
-G
If anyone want to see the reality of the “boys” making funny jokes about women…Go hang out in a busy ER for a few weeks. The same mentality that Mo Do thinks is so funny also spills over to beaten and dead kids.
”the only women who are asked back are those who flatter the hosts and won’t call them on their disfunctional, sexist remarks.”
far too often, yes. but rachel maddow is a regular now and more than holds her own. and while stephanie miller will likely not be asked back to chris matthews’ show after calling him a “right wing tool” to his face, she is still appearing on msnbc on other shows (as recently as feb. 4th with dan abrams).
there is some movement in a better direction.
And he just gave a barn burner of a speech in Wisconsin that was ripped from the pages of John Edwards populism, railing against NAFTA and proposing a National Infrastructure Investment Bank as a way to combat aging infrastructure, poverty and job loss all at once. Fairly impressive.
Aha, middle boy between four sisters. A sensitizing experience. Good on you.
Joebuck, I absolutely concur. Rachel is the bomb.
I like it that the other side has failed carpenters and sports flunkies and we have doctors on our side. Rachel is brilliant.
It’s true that MSNBC has started using Rachel Maddow more frequently and also has Katrina Vanden Heuvel and Jane occasionally along with a few other progressive women.
Unfortunately, that small positive group is counter-balanced by the years and years and the sheer volume appearances of Andrea Mitchell and Kate O’Beirne being treated as valid and honest purveyors of information.
That’s the $64,000 question…! ;-)
persistent rumor
How come this isn’t getting any airplay? I love this…
I didn’t even know Rice was going in front of anyone today.
I think this is sort of related. Tucker prefaced a discussion with A.B. Stoddard and someone else about Hillary’s dismal performance last night by saying something like I don’t mean to come off as mean–we aren’t allowed to be mean to Hillary… I have to rely on closed captioning, so I don’t know the tone it was said in. What does that mean? Shouldn’t that apply to all candidates, not just Hillary? Not really sure what to think of this. We have MSNBC on during the day, but I despise Tucker myself.
Look we can talk all we want but its Hilary who has to be the one to carve MoDo a new one if she wants to win her fight with the media. I for one hope she does, then Tweety, Rush, O’Reily etc the list of targets is so tempting.
looseheadprop at 33 says-”Do you see how mad Bill gets when someone attacks her? This is not a dead relationship. It may not be a relationship I understand, but there is clearly a strong bond of some sort between them.”
there was a photo taken at one of the funerals last year, i wish i could find it, they were seated, where she was reading something, he was looking at her and she did’t know it, and the way he was looking at her was nuthin’ but love……..was the same way my mom and dad look at each other, when they know the other isn’t looking, no mistaking it.
doesn’t mean they don’t have problems, but in that moment, he was ’all about her’. you can’t fake that kind of body language and expression and posture….. i forgave him a lot when i saw that picture, i’ve seen that look enough times to know what it is.
Boxer is this tiny little person and is one of the baddest dogs in town. I don’t always agree with her (holyJo) but I do like her.
Another sensitizing experience can be the youngest with an older sister and a whole bunch of independent older cousins.
Also didn’t hurt having a father who supported the mother’s desire to finish her degree in the fifties in Kentucky. The training there was, “Boy, I told you to go do those dishes. No one is waiting on you and there’s work for you to do so do it before I tan your hide.”
I wouldn’t change that for any thing in the world… I just wish more boys could have that EXPERIENCE it sure would make things different for them and the women they are close to.
dakine01 & nahant
Nice to have you around. Would like more of you.
(And more & better Ds too.)
This isn’t about Hillary. It is about every woman. Allow this to go without raising hell and it gives license to every jerk in our culture to engage in the same demeaning behavior.
Whether you are for McCain, Obama, Huck or Clinton, you should be proactively against the attidudes reflected in that “joke.”
Fair is fair.
I asked for your thoughts.
We can look at it from a personal perspective or not.
Here’s what I think.
I don’t believe that a white person can talk about racism in the same way a person of color can.
And, I don’t think a man can talk about sexism in the same way a woman can.
This isn’t tit for tat.
There is a Glass Ceiling.
It just is.
You can be empathetic.
I won’t make it your fault that it exists.
But, you have to be very careful about sounding like you Know How It Is.
And, by you, I mean the universal you, as in “one”.
All of us.
eloquently put.
Lordy, Just sounds like the Dowd-Coulter twins. Ughhh
Frumpish
dow·dy (doud)
adj. dow·di·er, dow·di·est
1. Lacking stylishness or neatness; shabby: a dowdy gray outfit.
2. Old-fashioned; antiquated.
n. pl. dow·dies
A dowdy person; a frump.
One aspect is it meant that I can (and do) take care of myself. Mom and Dad both made sure that I could cook, clean, iron and even sew on a button if needed.
It also meant a few times when I was living near my sister and she had surgery, that I’d wind up going to visit once a week or so and do all the little things she was uncomfortable asking others to do for her. And she knew she could direct/correct how I was doing it and I wouldn’t get upset.
November might be White Bitch Month.
I liked Nancy’s info and the tone of the letter. There is no reason to rush into this but to protect crooks.
February seems right for me!
What is Modo thinking Schuster is in the witless protection program and she tells everyone the white bitch joke with the catty excuse that she is only repeating what a man said.
Here’s what my mom would say unmarried, no kids, cash and fame just are not enough no wonder she is so bitter at everyone especially people she is jealous of who like Hilary have a husband, a kid, cash, fame, and now wants power!
Modo keeps herself from crying everynight by repeating the words Bill cheats on her she can’t be happy, SHE CAN’T BE HAPPY, SHE CAN’T
Next to Hilary Modo looks like a slacker who has settled for way to little in life and didn’t apply herself.
You know I probably did not forget about that:
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200801220003
Come Super Tusday, Maddow no longer had a prominent role in commentary. She was eventually allowed back but was not saying anything on the matter.
Or am I missing something? Please provide a link if I’ve skipped over something, would love to have it.
Button popular a Nam vets gatherings says “If you haven’t been there shut your mouth”. Identity politics, so where does that get us. YOU can’t possibly understand what I have been through. So lets all get in our group and fuck everyone else. Giltin does a nice job of describing it in “The Twilight of Common Dreams: Why America is Wracked by Culture Wars”.
You sound like a real mensch.
OT flash
Illustrious r mccain prez can voted against ban on torture