In my post last week, I talked about how, beginning in the mid-1970s, capitalism and technology, working for each other, produced a new regime that quietly dissolved the old pact between capital and labor. From then on, this new regime of capital started laying the foundation for the time of the Internet that was to emerge about two decades later in the mid-1990s. It helps to state the obvious here once again: Capitalism and technology produced the Internet, again working for each other as always, and also as always, both more or less contributing equally to the enterprise. The Internet in turn quite rapidly began to facilitate the free circulation of humans, products, and information. People whose profession involves producing, analyzing, and circulating money, words, codes, data, audio, video, and images (the so-called dot.com crowd); editors; writers; movie producers; media content-providers; designers; investment bankers; currency traders; and even salespeople (thanks to e-commerce, e-Bay, and others–and let’s not forget that sales used to depend on so-called "face-time") can live and work anywhere in the world as long as they’re wired, for institutions and entities not necessarily located where they live and work.
In order to render this post’s discursive narrative coherent and as understandable as possible, let’s distill here one sentence from my last post: Capitalism and technology together produced a teletopia where the duration of time and the extension of space have been erased. Now comes the alarming part: In the new full-blown regime of the Internet, time and space have long been superseded by the absolute speed of the time of capital: the speed of what Paul Virilio in "The Overexposed City" has called time-light: that is, the time it takes to transmit data–the speed of light. And now in the first decade of the Third Millennium, the condominium of capitalism-technology–that high-tech Janus–has liberated human life completely from the boundaries of space and even abolished all together the need for travel as we know it. From this point on, the task of capital is to ensure the optimal mobilization of information and, from sunrise to sunset and also overnight, to work against the viscosity of a complex social body that might obstruct this mobilization: as examples: civil-rights movements; radical intellectuals; community activists; and, in this age of the blogosphere, progressive netroots (there’s an irony in this latter that I will disclose later. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves).
In a seminal essay published in 1987 in the first issue of Zone, just about one decade before the Internet became widely available to consumers, Eric Alliez and Michel Feher, "The Luster of Capital," the authors seemed to have anticipated the human life online that the Internet would produce when they contrasted the brick-and-mortar world of the old system with the new one:
Before this new system of capital emerged, the traditional laborer moved everyday from the "space" of home to that of work, and vice-versa. These days home and work are fused in a fluid time-space. We’re all enslaved completely by time and capital, free to invest in ourselves, with various machines at our disposal, to produce valued time. We’ve all become new "human capitals," now producing valued time in order to consume time valued…Capital has provided the Time used to produce and save Time, the saved Time subject to the law of commodities. One is rich because one has saved time (that is, money), and one poor because one has less saved time (again, less money). The poor or the homeless, the unemployed or the unskilled have no valued or stored time, but only "naked, real, or actual" time that no employer wants to buy, not even at a discount. (The unemployed and unskilled have their own naked time(s) to waste. ) However, both employer and employee are also enslaved by the Time of Capital, since both are incorporated into the machine of global capital: The former simply has more money at his/her disposal to buy more machines to enable her/him to buy more machines to enable him/her to produce and to save more time in order to enjoy (to consume) more time, and so on and so on.
We get the picture. This human capital engages in the optimal maximization of time and is highly skilled at so-called multitasking. This human capital, jetting around the globe to network, is equipped with: laptop with wireless card or chip (this to tap into numerous "hot-spots" in cafes in world cities); cellphone with SIM cards (or a Blackberry) for voice connections across the globe; and various other gadgets too numerous to adumbrate here. Sometimes you see her/him in cafes working on his/her laptop while also talking on the cellphone and also drinking latte. In all of these "spaces," s/he works in an environment that has no relationship to real time as such. In other words, there is a distinction between "present time" (the time present to the viewer on the laptop monitor), and the "real time" most of us live in, in our brick-and-mortar, block-buildings, mostly visceral everyday life.,
This human capital lives in a "digital city," which is a contemporary world city (as examples: New York, Los Angeles, London, Berlin, Hong Kong, and so on) that has become a fluid terrain of multiple lines of flight, as well as a shifting zone of intensities and forces. This cosmopolis is "overexposed" in the sense that Paul Virilio talked about in "The Overexposed City." At this point, the city no longer occupies a piece of space– nor is it even a geographical position. For some time now, these world cities have existed in electronic topologies: They are not determined by the spatial grid of streets and avenues but by electronic freeway systems where humans and machines interface. Before the emergence of digital cities, traditional cities had circadian alternations of night and day. In digital cities, however, with the glow of televisions and computer monitors, daylight itself has changed, replaced by an artificial electronic day whose calendar is based on the telecommuting of information that has no relation to real time as such.
This human capital is obviously a corporate exec who probably owns a private Lear jet, a huge yacht, a McMansion, and so on. But this human capital could also be…er, a member of progressive netroots working for social justice for the poor, fighting poverty, and in general advocating for the have-nots of all stripes. How could this be so, you might ask yourself. Who appointed this human capital as a "change agent" (to use the common parlance of the day) of the poor, who are often mistakenly and sometimes arrogantly believed to be inarticulate, therefore needing representation, as it were. Who gave this person the cultural authority to do all these things?
(Consider the following supreme irony: according to the paradigm of Time and value and storage spelled out above, in which Time (as prison) is the only factor in the production and consumption of Time, the leftist progressive blogger has to buy some time out on furlough [as it were] with some time that s/he has saved in order to think a post, type, cut and paste, rewrite, edit, and tweak it again and again with the prodding of a [blog)] editor, before s/he finally clicks Saved…although some lucky bloggers get paid and make a living from blogging…)
In a (to my eyes) brilliant article in 2006, Pachacutec argued that in this first decade of the 21st century, the US is operating defacto with a three-party system instead of the two we’ve been deadened with for most of the history of the country, and he identified these three parties as (1) DC/K Elites; (2) Grassroots Theocrats; and (3) Grassroots Progressives. I find what he said about the latter, which is none other than our own progressive netroots, quite interesting and fascinating:
Grassroots Progressives: This new, emerging power center in American politics is making its bid for ascendancy as an alternative to the ruling coalition of the previously described two parties. It seeks to forge an alliance of secularists, pro-pluralist religionists, information elites on the Internet, working people and anyone not among the super-rich (including poor and middle class urbanites, suburbanites and small farmers). It also seeks to include privacy advocates and members of the creative class, including creators of music, software and films. It has created its own media arm on the Internet, of which this blog is a part, and it also gets its message out virally through independent films like Iraq for Sale. It supports the traditional, pro-pluralist understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and therefore supports things like civil rights and due process. Members of this emerging coalition believe government should be a servant of the needs of innovative businesses and common people neglected or largely disenfranchised by the DC/K Street Elitists and the Theocrats.
(My bold except for the name of the party)
MSM pundits and talk-show hosts like to disparage netroots, especially progressive netroots, as rife with pampered, rich, trust-fund brats who can afford to work in their pajamas. This exhausted topos has been repeated ad nauseam, so much so that it is now part of quotidian MSM argot, that I will not even bother to link it. But then again we’re obliged to ask: Are they right? Do they have a point? Can many progressive netroots members come from the middle- and upper-middle class and still have legitimate "rights"–so to speak–to advocate for the poor and fight for social justice on behalf of the underprivileged? This phenomenon sort of skews the conventional discourse on class in the US, doesn’t it? Maybe the issue of class is no longer the simple polarity between rich and poor that dear old Marx formulated; maybe the issue is considerably more complicated in this first decade of the 21st century, when Internet access is available to the poor in public libraries, albeit for a limited amount of time per day (two hours in Minneapolis, where I have my own brick-and-mortar existence). Maybe. So many maybes…
And please by all means, let the debate(s) begin.
Related posts:
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Matthew Kerbel, Netroots: Online Progressives and the Transformation of American Politics
- Netroots Nation Panel on the Public Plan
- Netroots Nation ‘09 – Photographs from Eli
- Why I Interrupted Bill Clinton’s Speech at Netroots Nation
- Corporate Supremacy and the Rape of a Human Girl





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We don’t need no stinking class. We’re DFHs.
Now, I’ll read.
YO
Nicely done. I am, as we speak,attending an online education conference with people from all over the world.
Yo my brother…That Facebook business last night was hilarious, eh?
There you go…*g* Are you a member of middle class, sir?
Yea, I’m too nervous I guess. It never dawned on me to take you literally!
Hi Biodun, gotta spend some time studying here. Thanks!
God, I remember when I would want to fight people who said I was! Eventually I had to recoginize it wasn’t a matter of choice.
Hey Biodun,
Lot of food for thought here. One factor in the economic stratification of progressives is that we don’t pay our A team properly.
I know a lot of folks who are working mostly for the love of what they are accomplishing. If they were on the right, they would be getting winger welfare. Not so many people can afford to work full time on progressive issues.
LOL!
We are what we are…
Who appointed the middle class grassroots progressives change agents to advocate for the disenfranchised and dispossessed? I think we appointed ourselves, because we learned in grammar school that America was all about helping those who had less, giving a helping hand to those in need, and shining a bright light on injustice and wrongdoing.
Other people, though, went to other grammar schools.
Hey Biodun… how goes it??? Has it warmed up any there yet??
Well written I look forward to more from you. You have a way of putting things that bring great clarity to the subject. The internet is truly a tool for leveling the field of knowledge/time and it is of vital importance that we4 keep it free of stifling influences such as government and corporatist who hope to exploit it to their own means!!
H*ll yes. Most of us are also one or two paychecks away from being hipdeep in sh*t.
I’m bottom level management in my company. I have no chance of being rich, or even well-off. I’ll never be able to buy a place to live within any reasonable commute time of my work location. I’ll be really lucky if I can afford to retire … eventually.
I enjoy having the internet available. I can connect to people all over the world. I can get news that the corporate media doesn’t want me to know about, and ignore the dead white women they keep pushing at me.
(I also get to see jokes like this:
)
What is winger welfare?
FDL toobz acting up…
Many point to debate, to be sure.
I do think that the Digital City has Leveled The Playing Field. I know of young college students, some almost homeless who, if they don’t have their own laptops, have access through (as you said) libraries as well as friends. People who don’t have health insurance or cars have cell phones and laptops. These folks can go online and advocate for the issues that move their hearts as easily as Mr. Moneybags.
Thanks for that…
According to Bill O’Reilly, there are only two classes of people in the U.S.
Secular progressives or normal people.
I’m proud to consider myself part of the progressive netroots. Not being creative, I limit myself to keeping informed, commenting occasionally, and supporting progressive candidates whenever I can afford to.
That’s a cute and appropriate photo at top.
I’ve said before, we won’t have a revolution until there’s a laptop in every living room. (with apologies to chickens and pots.)
Good point here…
Umm – government investment was crucial also.
It is a great point though. What right. or for that matter ability, does someone of “privledge” have to try to impact the lives of others? I have such mixed emotions about the value of education. I know it can make a difference in people’s lives but that does not mean that it will. Neccesary but not sufficient.
I get it…Right-winger welfare…*G*
The internet move bytes and producing work, if only in digital format still takes “real time”. You can produce wealth by making “deals” and decisions, but work, ie producing contracts, stories, art, designs, music whatever still requires good old time.
Fine, much of the work can be done with digital tools, art, music, animation, architecture, legal briefs etc. but this is mostly about not physical things.
Someone has to actually do “real” work, shovel snow, sow seeds, hammer nails, sew clothes, drill holes.
I think most of the stuff that goes on in cafes, black berries is not work at all, or not what I would call work. Most of it is being in touch with others who are in touch with others who may be actually DOING something in the real world. hahahha
Re: my social class. My father was Teamster, drove a truck and worked carpentry jobs on the weekends to suppliment that.
My mother became a secretary at a University so that her kids could get free college tutition. Consequently, there was no choice about where to go to college regardless of what schools grades and SAT scores would have allowed.
Nonetheless, I and all of my sisters are well educated. we are the success stories in my extended family. All but one have multiple degrees. We are middle class. But my cousins, not so much, mostly working class: secretaries and bookekkeprs and one is a commercial fisherman. I still feel my most comfortable among people who are working class, I feel at home with them.
Even with all this education, and the rather good jobs that come from that, it seems the wolf is never far from the door. We are all just one serious illness or one lost job away from disaster.
Nope: no trust funds here.
It’s intersting though. Littleprp has never known real financial adversity and she has this weird confidence that the money to do … whatever… will always magically appear. She does not worry about whether she will be employable, she simply regards herself as an able person who will certainly do well.
i don’t know if I have belssed my child with a confidence and freedom from self doubt that I have never known, or whether I have cursed her with a lack of anxiety driven ambition and a false sense of entitlement.
I guess I wil find out as she grows up.
Excellent post my man, excellent.
You also have noticed since the proliferation of the netroots, the pearl clutching and finger pointing of the (formerly exclusive) upper class.
god forbid the DFH’s of the world stand up in their faces and spout opinion!
They wonder what ever happened to people knowing their place in life and shutting the hell up.
Sorry, those days are gone. along with the hairstyles, outdated and obsolete.
Information transfer rates have obliterated their lock on what is going on in the world so opinions can’t be molded quite like they used to be. The MSM is still the opinion shaper of choice and is also the most suspected source of information short of the Government itself.
Government…a capitalist government…which last I checked, is what the US government is..
Thought provoking Biodun.
Middle class – how do we define it these days? Home ownership? Pension? Stock portfolio? Savings? Upward Mobility? If so, count me out.
” Don’t call me sir, I work for a goddamn living! “
I read an article about the internet many years ago, wish I could remember the author so I could look it up, but he was saying that ultimately the internet should be a jumping off point, that ultimately it is paramount that humans keep up their face to face interactions.
This thought is played out here at FDL, in that there have sprung up local groups of pups who meet occasionally to tip the cup and discuss and debate. Hear, hear for that. Also, we share information with each other about political rallies and meetings. Mommybrain invited me to a Democratic group meeting and I got to hear Howie Klein. It’s all good.
As stated by almost every top NCO and Drill Instructor to the new recruits who don’t know any better.
Thanks my man…
Biodun -
As always, food for thought. Agnus Smedley, who came out of the wretched coal miner poverty sector, described many Marxists as “Pink Parlor Communists”. They were upper class, terribly hip, loved discourse, exponded on many subjects of which they knew little firsthand, and, rarely belonged to unions but supported them.
Through so many means we’ve all been influenced by middle class values even if coming out of a poor background. If we don’t subscribe to it, we rebel against it.
The Internet has become the great equalizer. I had to struggle for information and spend hours in travel to get to a location that provided information, the main library. Now, I read your words and respond directly in my own home (OK, apartment). I live on a small fixed income but I still have access to the world. The amount of money I have makes little difference. I’ll say no to a lot of stuff for my Internet access.
I see poor immigrant families living in quasi conditions have access to the Internet. Limited income has not stopped them from searching out information and communication. True, the kids are often more engaged than the parents or grandparents. I see two classes without consideration of wealth. They are 1) the informed class; 2) the uninformed class.
The informed class is growing and they are influencing the entire political arena.
You know, I got a GED at 17 and an Ed.D. at 50 and I still don’t like sir or doctor!
Here’s one attempt at definition. From wiki:
That’s one thing I really disliked about the anti-war movement when I came home (even though I joined the vets wing). In many ways it was this big contest to see who was smarter and could argue better, all show and no go.
How ’bout Hot Stuff!?
I think the elimination of value added manufacturing, the loss of skilled
jobs working with the hands to actually make something is a fatal
disconnect with reality. The buzz in the 90’s was all about information
management and consulting, banking as the new economy… the one that
is in the tank now. Circadian cycles are ignored at our ultimate grief.
Some balance must be struck, NAFTA and CAFTA and the rest of the
Rockefeller schemes are cultural suicide… my roots working class, so
there it is.
Threw it in as an attempt at humor, obviously.
The internet was created to move military data.
Bioden- I did not agree with everything you said in the last post and will have to let this one sink in but I want to say how much I appreciate what you have to say, whether I agree or not..great ideas. The connectedness of our world is an evolutionary leap of such magnitude, equivalent to the printing press, et al multiplied by by 10 to the nth power, and we are only at its beginning birth pains. It is both a blessing and a curse. A curse because it can homogenize cultures and uniqueness and they will be lost forever, a blessing because it can unite us and give us voice, we who have no power and finances. Sorry I could go on and on as usual
An example of business in the new world. I am buying a new guitar amp, the builder is in Malaysia, we have been emailing back and forth and when all is agreed upon I will paypal money to him, all instantly–just fucking amazing.
Good on ya Bioden
During web 1.0, there were activist organizations that organized globally on the Internet and then organized locally through editorial collectives. You know, the folks behind Seattle WTO protests in 1999.
Oh? I had heard it had something to do with connecting universities.
ha, I’d fall out if anyone said that!
I have to go mop the kitchen floor and clean the refrigerator, and when I work I have to manipulate the levers on an excavator-darn it((((((G))))))))))
It was a DOD funded project for DOD research.
That was back in the day when research universities worked closely with the government (recall that many academics at that time were veterans, so this was much more common than today).
Who created the Internet?
From the link in the post:
The range of competence among the antiwar crowd was great, the vets had
the advantage of something beyond school for an experience base to
balance out the poly sci crowd… good on yer continuing education
path… real world.
DARPA
The net provides us with enormous connectivity to information and people. Nothing like it except the neural networks of your own brain!
Have a net connection is like having every library, newspaper and so on at your finger tips.
But for political action… we need to hit the streets in the end.
Direct action speaks louder than an email.
Boy, I would say it got a little out of hand then- behold what ye hath wrought.
Thanks…
But as great as the net is, its turning this nation into a bunch of unemployed desk jockeys, some of whom fly off to the far East to watch over slaves.
That’s an understatement! Many of the senior faculty and admins were layin low!
Great post, Biodun. You write:
My attraction to online organizing has always been about its democratic nature (or at least its potential) with the idea being to enfranchise people across class, race, gender, economic and nationality divisions. The fly in that particular ointment is access, as you note. Which is why pushing for the right to universal broadband access should be something we are pursuing harder — at lease making the case about why it should be a right and not a privilege. It is key to opening up the doors and allowing people to advocate for themselves in the digital community.
On this one, you’re quite consistent…
My favorite voice for the people, Edwards, may lend his voice soon:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli…..038;page=1
I hear you, Raven. Quakers felt the same way. We used the term, Peace Imperialism. So many jumped on the bandwagon, mostly to avoid the draft, otherwise they weren’t in the forefront in the fifties like Martin Luther King, Jr and Quakers.
When drafted, Quakers were urged to enter the military and serve as medics or capacities in which they could help. They never trained or carried weapons. They were also in the forefront urging congress and the VA to provide mental illness care for returning vets. They came home in shock and left on the streets and many are still there today.
Like you, I never saw the peace imperialists standing with us to get better hospital, medical and mental assistance for Vietnam vets. Some people like to protest for the sake of protesting. Conscience doesn’t stop at the end of a protest.
My dissertation was a study of the lives of a group of GED grads. It was really rewarding to work with folks that I had some commection with. I learned a lot from them.
Amazing that the youts haven’t a clue of life before the net, face book, IMs and so forth.
I’m glad to have seen the net born and what it’s become. I’m very geek challenged. Many in my generation are point and click (thanks Apple) and barely can do email.
Old foggies get out of the way.. Here comes progress!
Thanks, Jane. Some US cities are already doing this, laying out wireless, making the whole city a hot spot…Isn’t San Fran doing/has already done this?
The net as a political organizing force has not come into its own yet and the old guys are skeered shitless because it is so democratic and they clubs don’t work on the net.
First they ignored the net.
Then they laughed at us as pajama slackers
Then they noticed us
Then they noticed we can get things done
Soon they courted us
Now they want to silence and control us
Let’s not forget what telecommuting can do for 1) family time, 2) the environment, 3) da nerves.
I heard an article on NPR I think yesterday about parents who part time telecommute, ie. more quality family time.
I have friends who love telecommuting, some here at FDL.
This last 6 week temp job almost killed me. Living in LA, even when you live, say 30 miles from work, it can take you 1 1/2 to 2 hours driving on the packed freeways. If you live “over the hill” from work, you have very few options of routes to take. My nerves were so jangled, and I was away from home so much that I had a relapse of the flu. Said sayonara to that gig.
Hey Dick!
Whatever you think of us is totally irrelevant!
We are the future!
You are the past!
Pay your dues and get out of the way!
‘Cause We’re Not. the Way. You. Used. To. Be…
When you were very young.
{Blows Against The Empire Paul Kantner and the Jefferson Starship]
Oh they always wanted that!
The next phase is getting the net communities to manifest on the street.
I am waiting for the net to organize a 10,000,000 people demo. Why not? That would show em!
Ye gods I hope they are not right. clinton2 worries the living heck out of me. Maybe that healthcare package was a deal breaker.
Oh I’m all for tele communting and the paperless office.
Send me some design work. I’m yours!
it’s a great way to take care of a special needs cocker!
Hi Biodun. A great piece again! (I am just in and out between meetings to say hi, and skim quickly. Now to go get drenched again!
Quick drive by question: What will be the class-web impact of the end of net-neutrality? – to say nothing of the new TV sets we will be forced to buy in a couple of years which are very expensive. Answer: Hmmmm – considerable.
Forgive me, I’m commenting before reading it all. It’s an observation.
The other night Chris Matthews wanted to take about class, specifically ‘the lower economic class’ and gave the cut-off at 150K. Now, I’m here to tell you that 150,000 fucking dollars annually is NOT of the “lower economic class.” [Trust me, if I were earning 150K a year, someone else would be doing the shit like cleaning, etc., that I deem myself too busy to do.] There are people in this country who earn below 10K, 20k, 35K. Some of us, regardless of our education and intellectual level are earning less than 50K.
)(And can I just say, I finally found the preview button!)(
My home office is the “dog house” occupied by me and the Westies.
I wish they could do something beside bark like made when I am on the phone. Very professional. hahhaha
people across class, race, gender, economic and nationality divisions
One of my favorite hymns includes these lyrics:
Gentile or Jew,
Servant or Free,
Woman or Man No More.
Not preaching, just sharing words. Jane’s reminded me.
That Mathew’s remark is so out of touch with reality. Same Bullshit in NYC where they say the average income is 100k. Wonder why? We gone many billionaires dragging the average way up.
Stats lie.
BTW
Biodun, your diaries are though provoking and most over my head. Where’s you get this shit from dude?
Could I add this politely..That direct action can be very effectively organized by those emails
And I would love to hit the streets now-today. We stand on the corner on Friday nights here in Bend, Oregon, and if it were to happen I would join all of you and millions more in a march on Washington, that along with the nuts and bolts, i.e. Blue America, putting candidates in office that represent us gets attention and results.
Sander@67
yes
Can we have EDIT back…. I am severely typing challenged.
We go to DC for all the rallies and of course NYC.
Even though the MSM and the polls like to ignore masses of people at demos in the media. It’s great to be among the people and feel our numbers. I find demos inspiring.
I think we should have a huge demo in DC on the inauguration day.
Show some love to the new dems. 10 Million?
Right you are, I constantly amaze my 94 year old Granny with info off the web, she’ll be compalining about this or that and I google it and lay it out and she doesn’t have a comeback because, there it is.
She is constantly bitching about her tv stations going black, thinking she needs that new black box to transform analog air wavs to digital. 3 weeks we been going back and forth.
BEHOLD THE INTERNETS,
here Granny, read this while I bid on Ebay for some car parts…..
Hysterical.
From reading (mostly French and naughty) theory books in grad school and in France…
Many GED grads and Vets turn out to be superior students because they
approach their education as a job itself, unlike the Chatsworth Osbourne
Juniors of this world now running Washington. Need more of’em.
Oh, you. I think that the nuggets in Biodun’s piece are probably not over your head. He just uses a lot of fancy words. *g*
Here’s a trick I use. Read out loud to yourself, as if you’re reading to someone else in order for them to understand. I find it’s helpful.
So the new proletariat is all those guys who blog and program all the time, from gates and jobs down to to lowest programmer and blogger. These guys are the new wage slaves. The rest of us can kick back and drink pina colladas.
OR they’ve been around the world like I’ve been and approach it as part of that entire learning experience. Plus learning shit is fascinating and cool.
Probably also from wearing all black all the time…*g*
Foucault huh?
By the way I don’t work in pajamas, usually as little as possible and never shoes when I am on the net.
Unless and until the net community can cause some real impact outside their electrons whirling around the world it won’t be taken seriously.
We are being informed by the community, but we need to do more action… whatever they is, poll watching, “lobbying”… tabling… strikes… and working in the community with others.
persistance
Jane-that is why I love this place..and fuck gender race polka dots and stripes, this boat should hold all of us.
And I am with SanderO-pleeeeease can we have edit back, I continually leave shit out of my ever so witty and intelligent analysd (see what meand)
Big G
I have worked in health care for 25 years, the reason she is my second choice is healthcare. The doctor I work for, a longtime Repub, told me yesterday he will vote for Hillary. If Edwards does endorse, I bet it would be her healthcare plan is all inclusive & Obama’s is not.
You should read about what Harvard and the University of Chicago thought about letting WWII vets in theor hallowed halls. . .ewwwww!
for any of us that do work the “tubes”, we know the tubes are controlled by people that do not like what they do not understand
Hard reading that
Obi will drop the mandates crap. You can’t mandate people with no money to buy regulated insurance.
Get rid of the insurance companies.
Get the people work with living wages and stop doing slavery off shore. It’s not nice.
Yep. Deleuze (whom I studied with in France before he jumped out the window of his apartment in the 17th Arrondisement in Paris–God rest his soul); Derrida; Helene Cixous; Eric Alliez (who also was a student of Deleuze–incest here); Jena-Francois Lyotard; and countless others…Just type “post-structuralism” “postmodernism” into wiki or Google…
Gilles Delueze (1920-1995)
Thanks Biodun for this piece.
It’s a nice break from the allfisaobamaclinton discussions.
I’m not saying they are not important. Of course, I know they are.
It’s still nice to have a break.
And, oh, by the way, I enjoy reading out loud. Even to myself. :)
Jean-Francois Lyotard…
That’s what ole George Wallace would call a pointy head intellectual
all right… what a list!
Easy to say “get rid of the insurance companies” & believe me, Medicare for all would be the most efficient way to deliver healthcare. But destroying another US industry and the trickle down effect that would have (think GM) – would cripple a helluva lot of middle class earners.
From Dowd- a sample of gooper (I suppose) “humor”:
In a webcast, prestidigitator Penn Jillette talks about a joke he has begun telling in his show. He thinks the thunderous reaction it gets from audiences shows that Hillary no longer has a shot.
The joke goes: “Obama is just creaming Hillary. You know, all these primaries, you know. And Hillary says it’s not fair, because they’re being held in February, and February is Black History Month. And unfortunately for Hillary, there’s no White Bitch Month.”
[RBG Note; how about we let this one end here?]
The GI Bill grew the middle class and Chatsworth has been pissed ever
since. Rich kid up the street was always looking for a poor kid to tell
him how to spend his money, then they resent or deny it!
With a last name like that, is old John Frank a dancer or sumpin?
See, I don’t has to have no class. I’m on the innernet.
I see this question being of a piece with the eternal attempt of the Right and the media to disparage anyone who isn’t poor presuming to advocate for the poor, from FDR to Edwards (though of course his background helps.) Yes, absolutely we have the right. Whether we’re correctly serving the interests of those we advocate for can be debated, but whether we have the right to do so cannot.
The fact is that advocacy is largely a leisure activity (advocacy for people without money, that is.) The lower you are on the economic scale, the less leisure time you have, by definition. Saying that people don’t have a right to advocate for anyone of a lower class than them is just another way to try to control those at the bottom.
Obama making victory claims- sayin that it’s all but impossible for Hillary to get enough delegates to beat him. Presumptive close?
Well, something’s gotta give. Because the insurance are likely making even more profit than they give their own workers, you realize. It’s definitely a big industry for employment nowadays, but the price of having it and the services not rendered is bloody useless at times. I see people paying huge premiums just for the damned company to not cover the medication or to charge a huge co-payment instead. 50$ for a 99$ drug, for example, if they don’t like that particular brand. Coverage yes, but not really all that great, is it?
The industry has to either be heavily re-regulated or else it’s gotta go. Any kind of shift is gonna play merry hell with the workers, either way.
You still need many of the workers in the insurance industry. Federalize them and get rid of the sales and bloated management and drop the profit puppies.
Single payer would need lots of workers too.
And.
Regardless, we want workers doing productive USEFUL work, not just work. I want all the bomb factories closed too. Those workers can build something else… snow shovels? Drill presses? Solar panels?
Bioden
Here is some really dense writing that you might find of interest
http://www.geocities.com/moonhoabinh/index.html
Just scroll through take a random read-the one at the bottom on Unrevolution is good.
Or this
http://gospelofthomas.fol.nl/zerzan_articles.html
My two cents worth
What you speak of is…leotard… He told me Americans misspell his name like that most of the time…
Exactly, tho we may need some MIC welfare here…. Keep them in their job, just change their output.
Penn is a great performer, but sadly, he’s also a professional asshole. Dowd, it seems, is now only the latter.
yer funny
Ya know rwc, I imagine most of us could have gone all day without reading that so-called joke.
You knew I was kidding I HOPE.
What, Mr Pointyheadliner, ya lost your sense of humor?
Title of article from the second link:
We did that very quickly at the beginning and during WW2. Amazing turnaround. Factories can convert to making other things fast.
Not the first time I’ve read this opinion. I am an unpaid member of the DFHs, in fact I am an ODFH my history extending into the paleolithic era of the 1960s, and one thing I’ve found is that when ya gotta scrabble for it you get better than if you have it delivered. If ya know what I mean.
Folks willing to hand out cold hard cash for what we do will have and do have an agenda. A citizen based Internet built on volunteers has some real strengths. Should you have to ’starve’ to be Matt Stoller? No, and he ain’t.
One of the real interesting fights coming up is going to be over who is and who is not ’selling out’ as progressives gradually take more political power.
In my group we are already talking about ‘greenwashing’ of candidates and corporations as….
It’s already happening.
The next WPA program – on energy
DING!
Well it’s a pretty shitty joke- which is the point- I guess I have an academic interest in gooper “humor” and it’s characteristics.
Thanks, Maddy.
Yes, we live in very extremely Serious times.
But, a little humor once in a while is good for the soul.
Unfortunately, modern American health insurance is an industry that profits by harming people (meaning resulting in more harmful outcomes, not intending to harm.) Nothing against the many fine people who work in it, but it’s a living demonstration of the lie of the Right’s claim that “the free market is always better.”. The free market is more efficient at doing whatever makes the most money. Since denying people care is more profitable than providing it, the free market will drive insurers to deny care.
People working in the industry shouldn’t suffer in this transition, and any plan absolutely must deal with that, but we can’t continue to maintain an industry that is more expensive and less effective than what all other industrialized countries have just because it employs people.
Nailed. What they fear is someone might actually do it, then the energy
game changes from under them.
I understand but by “sharing” it, it just gives it more credence it doesn’t deserve.
Don’t see how one could give credence to that “joke”. By credence you mean “credibility”?
What intellectual heights they have achieved -but beware there is a purpose that pervades all of this hubris.
The unrelenting demonization of the other aimed at those who think little and take this as what is right to the bank-a process repeated many times in history, again a h/t to Naomi Wolf who explicates it well.
But now we have a weapon against this madness-back to Bioden-instant communication worldwide, we come together in places like this to shine a light on the manure pile.
It’s John Francis…
BTW, you’re a dear friend. Just kidding around with you…*g*
Whew – worried that you’d gone to the Dark Side. Ha!
My Intellectual capacity has been exceeded-did I take that to mean as promulgated by the dried up souls who have captured us and created this gray world, denying the beautiful, no, killing it for their own ends, killing possibility and hope, while feeding themselves so obscenely it makes me vomit.
You could email me if you want, At 66 I am still blessed with burning curiosity.
wbfree(at)bendcable(dot)com
biodun–
i read it all…….good post
here’s what i think-
the new time continuum only applies to things that are not tangible……….and things generated in this ’land’ eventually become tangible in order to be utilized.
once it’s made tangible, it is no longer in that realm…..
anything tangible has to be done the old, hands on way.
so i really don’t see it as revoluntionary, just another way to do things. things evolve, but a lot that is NECESSARY in our lives still stays the same……
a gallon of milk still has to come from a farmer who has cared-for bred cows, has to be milked, has to be transported, has to be packaged, has to be stored, stocked and sold and physically brought home………then you have to put it in a glass and drink it.
i don’t see how cyberspace is gonna deliver that exec any milk purely from his keystrokin’……….
there are people who are unaware of this ’new world’ but i don’t think it will affect them much……they don’t know how their banks do business, and don’ t much care.
they still gather at the dairy queen every morning and talk local and national. they call their politicians, hell, they know them because they show up and take them to task and let them know what their concerns are.
i think a lot of people who have the internet use it for email and to find recipes.
most of the young people-educated-i know use it to keep in touch with their friends and to download music and video.
i’ve said before, here, that i was doing the internet when it first started, then had a break for about 10 years, and started back a while ago, i don’t see much of an improvement………it was easier to pick out valid, accurate information back then….and you didn’t have to upgrade every three months in order to access a website just because they updated their ’ads’ section….lotta crap on here now.
Littleprops views are generational – lots more like that out there.
Biodun:
Once again, you’ve courageously tackled a complex and difficult subject;
clearly displaying your consummate artistry, going straight to the heart of the matter and thereby educating the rest of us.
This post is an awesome and critically important piece of (exquisite) work.
Not merely for its substance, but equally significantly, for the questions it engenders, not simply for the moment, but in that larger philosophical sense of cultural purpose and social consequence.
Hey all
this was addressed to Bioden@117 but it goes for all
You could email me if you want, At 66 I am still blessed with burning curiosity to learn.
wbfree(at)bendcable(dot)com
Title of article from the second link:
1) THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OFF MISERY
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Slow shutter speed on my part or typo
Either way thanks for making me think.
grrr edit
should read
Title of article from the second link:
1) THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OFF MISERY
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Slow shutter speed on my part or typo
Either way thanks for making me think.
Thanks!
Wow! That certainly makes my evening…My my. Thanks much.
Interesting. Put will he disappoint the people by showing that he is actually more establishment than he might seem? Judging from the polls before and after he withdrew from the race, most of his supporters already decided that they preferred Obama to Clinton. Obamas rise was largely the result of 70-80% of Edwards supporters shifting to Barack. His endorsement would not me likely to seriously alter those of his supporters who have shifted to Clinton nor to those supporting Obama…UNLESS he gives strong cogent reasons and distinctions between them.
Whether his endorsement would change those choices is unclear to me. Whether his endorsement would carry much clout in Wisconsin (Kucinich’s perhaps) or Hawaii is unlikely. If he announces now it’s likely because it’s actually the one time when his influence would be slightest…after Super-Tuesday and the Potomac Primaries. Or he could wait until after March 4th.
If he had wanted to make a strong PERSONAL endorsement it would have come right after he withdrew. Even if he does so just prior to March 4th…how much influence would he have on races in Texas, Vermont and Ohio is not all that clear.
One comment from this Larue.
This thread topic, Biodun, and the resultant comments, have been incredibly energizing.
It has been incredibly moving too . . . uplifting.
I’m so jaded about the 1% ruling etc, I easily lose all hope anymore, wishing for change, REAL change. And watching as any hope of that change is snatched in some Senate FISA vote, or a Pelosi capitulation over impeachment, etc.
And yet, here it is, and there it is. Hope. Digital age communications, the internet, an equalizer of equal participation.
ALMOST like our votes will really count anymore, again. Like our voices CAN shape change and enable it, if we shout enuff and often enuff.
Very cathartic and empowering shit, this is, Biodun. Well done by you, and EACH AND EVERY COMMENT!
I’m quite amazed, pleased, and humbled . . . thanks for the light at the end of a tunnel folks.
I was/am TIRED of defeatist electoral politics and a controlling and defeatist MSM/Corporate Structure killin the progressive voices, decade after decade. The shit wears ya down, while trying to educate yerself when young, hold jobs, survive, thrive economically . . . all the while watching as one’s values become less and less valued in the working world, and less honored and defended by our elected officials.
N cso, ongrats, too, Donna Edwards. ;-) Glimmer of hope . . . I KNOW it’s like Lucy And The Football. I KNOW it’s gonna get pulled away the minute I lift my leg and bring it forward to kick the ball . . but it sure as hell is better than NO hope. *G*
Here’s to progressive access and communication capability for the masses. *G*