yo

Yo.

damn – that Raven guy is quick.

Hiya Eli. Hi Raven!

Hiya, jayt!

ya

4?

go Jane!

oh boy its the yo yo boys

Should I admit that I’m playing that video over and over again?

We are pulling for Obama. In this house.

Hillary looks different in Texas tonight. Seriously. it’s on her face, in her eyes, she just LOOKS different.

Female gender of “yo”?

Msbnc on the little screen, the dog show on the big screen and typin my ass off!

Hi Eli, thanks for posting results for us.

Thought it was oy!

McCain is the Heat Miser. Mr. 101

Obama over Hillary…62-37%? Wow. No wonder Mike Henry quit. LOL

Tom Brokaw proclaims, in his now permanent semi-conscious state, that Obama is now the “rock star”, – but the shit is till awaitn’ him down the road.

Thanks, Tom – time for bed now?

((( Eli )))

I gotta go shovel some more snow … back later …

We are waiting to hear Senator Clinton.

No, that’s the Jewish version… ;)

That is the look of resignation.

To all the dog show lovers here tonight, I was “offended” when I heard my local radio guys this morning putting down beagles by saying these kinds of dogs are dumber than a bunch of rocks! I have a beagle mix and he’s #1 in my book. ;-)

C’mon, Huckabee . . .

The thought of McCain being forced to fight to win over the anti-evolution GOP voters makes me smile, pandering to them to prove he really, really likes them. That fight can go on and on, as far as I am concerned. Hang in there, Mike! Make ‘em count every vote!

(OK, that last part might not work so well with the GOP . . .)

As long as you’re not in Maryland…

Politics is like a Yo Yo … Hillary has to recharge is she’s wants this bad enough …

Your newest enemy is pregnant women BTW. Ain’t that sweet?

The Global War on Women.

One hair harmed on any candidate in this election…I’ll know where to look…(and it won’t be a pregnant woman).

Wake up America.

Busharraf is in his element.

Isn’t anyone else outraged?????

I’ve GOTTA figure out how to do that “screen in screen” thingy with DirectTV…

I think so. I HOPE TO GAWWWD she doesn’t cry again!
Cause she sure looks like she could! I almost feel sorry for her, human to human,
AH!
It passed!

I don’t think Hillary is going to pull it off. And I think she knows it.

I never pay attention to people who try to link intelligence with dog breeds–I’ve seen way too many exceptions to any rule someone tries to make. All of them are sensitive and intelligent with tons of potential.

CNN webpage now shows Obama ahead in delegates. I think that’s the first time I’ve seen it listed that way by CNN.

LOL !!!

My kids and the other kids on the street think they’re in heaven … especially when they get a snow day from school …

Just spoke to Matt. Yep, that’s him.

Maybe they were referring to the fact that they have the courage of their convictions? (I’ve also heard they can be hard to housebreak, but I have no experience with that.)

Hill, “I’m tested and I’m ready!”

Hillary live from Texas now – guess the internal polling said ‘get the hell off the eastern seaboard, right NOW?’

(ed note -pretty impressive how’s she’s thanking people who are her nearest and dearest friends – by reading those names off a cheat-sheet in her right hand?)

If Hillary understands that this is it, then she needs to step aside and let our country get acquainted with Obama.

Hillary could replace the loser Harry Reid

A wedding in Crawford…Princess Jenna…is that what we have to look forward to?

HRC in Texas. Same message. She will be ready to take over on “day one”.

Don’t think it can happen because you can’t get that vcr tuner deal.

LOOK at her on MSNBC. WHAT a difference! wow

Why are there never snow days from work, I ask you.

This map should help clear up any confusion anyone has about the Potomac Primary… …

However, you can get PIP with satellite and and antenna.

Is there a date for Jenna’s wedding?

She sounds like the unpracticed Hillary too.

Oh, ABSOLUTELY. But she will NEVER do that. She’s not built that way. And that’s exactly why she’s not what we need right now!

Yeah – I caught it. Do I really need to tell ya how I reacted?

Senator Clinton doesn’t inspire inspiration.

What now? An ultrasound to fly?

Ya Ya Sisterhood.
You betcha.

PetePierce & Marion, my male beagle is the most affectionate little guy on the planet and he is wicked smart too. I can say, “go get your toy” and he’ll get one. I’ll then say, “go get your ball” and he’ll go get his ball. Ahhhh, but when I bring home a new toy and say to him after he’s played with an old toy, “go get your new toy”, he’ll get it! I’m serious. He can also read my mind too. When I’m sitting at the computer and he’s laying at my feet (most of the time), I’ll think to myself that I want to go out and have a cigarette and he’ll stand up and start barking. Swear! To me, he’s a great dog.

And did I mention he has an exclamation point patch on his side? He’s a mix and is really unique looking.

Okay, enough about my beagle! LOL I could go on and on as you dog owners now… ;-)

Ya, Ya!!!!

Gawd — that looks like a Civil War battlefield map…

No, that’s the Jewish version. I think.

Beagles are very intelligent. They get their people trained right quick.

Experience and day one is in every email Penn and Maggie send out to all the talking heads that are on TV–and I always think experience from what?

I haven’t had anyone able to show me yet and the surrogates fanning out for her who have Penn and Maggie’s emails aren’t about to tell me.

I didn’t give a damn about no cockers, til I got one. It’s not the breed it’s the relationship. They just want love.

I think I owe you a coke.

You had to bring this up, didn’t you? Say, did I ever tell you about my rescued Aussie, Sonny? Well, there was this time….

I love that!!!

What?

Any raw numbers of how many Dems turned out vs. how many Republicans, especially in VA?

Is it just me, or is Hillary delivering “applause lines” that are being met with either stony silence or lukewarm applause? Dayum…

It’s not kabuki it’s bullshit.

Here’s what Grant in Houston a regular commenter on my blog posted tonight on my blog:

As much as Clinton touts her own “executive experience” and judgment, she made Solis Doyle her campaign manager because of Solis Doyle’s loyalty, rather than her skill, despite a trail of available evidence suggesting she was unsuited for the role.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc…..olis-doyle

Not good. LOYALTY TO CRONIES IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

Didn’t you LOVE those books?

I’m a basset freak so I’m very partial to beagles because they look so much alike and I suppose must be related genetically. We have one in our neighborhood I walk all the time with my basset, and one of my close friends has always had them.

Hillary would, imo, be a fine president. Better, most likely, and certainly initially, than Obama.

But she has to be elected (which is WAY too iffy) – and in the process – kills all of the down-tickets.

I’m takin’ a flyer on Obama…

Sen. Clinton relating to the poor. Right. While Bill is raking in the huge money from his various business enterprises and connections. Compare ex-presidents Carter and Clinton as to what they devoted themselves to after leaving office.

Are you talking about Independents?

I guess so! ;)

LOL Uh yeah, *looking side to side*, sometimes they do that too…. :-)

(Shhhh…. they’re a secret…!!!)

Beagles are very smart; I have one.
Now stubborn, yes. Willful, yes. But they are not dumb!

Thought so. Sure looks like him.

Aw, I knew a basset named Col Reggs. He was sooo cool, it would take him five minutes of winding up to get one great basset arrrooofff out!

It’s true brought to you by f’ing Homeland Security today…pregnant women!!!

I JUST finished reading that in Atlantic. Now reading Putsch in Hillaryland.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/st…..cab93d09ae

And those were my thoughts EXACTLY with the loyalty thing with Doyle!
we don’t WANT THAT any more! (IF we EVER did!)

Definitely!!! Stick together!!

As I type this, CNN has the VA vote count at:

Dem: 654,952
Rep: 348,180

Not bad, eh? :)

Very quick on the draw, you. :)

VA – Precincts Reporting: 2,059 of 2,472 (83.29%)
Barack Obama 411,471 63.88%

Hillary Clinton 225,592 35.02%

DC – no results yet

MD – not closed yet

I truly love this little guy. He howls like a hound too which I love. One morning I got up early and forgot to shut the clock alarm off. Jasper went into my bedroom and started howling. When I came running in, he was laying directly in front of the alarm with his head back howling until I shut it it off.

I feel like we’re safe with him in the house, because if there was ever a fire….he would come running. :-)

I’m not much into the macho dogs. Some of them are beautiful, but I still prefer my little goofy dog. LOL

WHOOOOP!!!!!!!!!!

A night and day comparison… Habitat for Humanity versus…? ;-)

I have not been on FDL in months. I like this community more than any other on-line community. I am an ardent supporter of John Edwards. I have a hard time understanding the affection many on FDL have for Obama. Obama is a centrist Democrat, like Hillary. Obama is less experienced than Hillary, and he has taken the televangelical aspect of campaigning to a new high. How does his effort help America? His is a slogan-rich campaign, without much heft. Although I have never been a big Hillary fan, I don’t see a better option than Hillary. Experience counts for more than platitudes and preacher-like feel-good speeches. Just wondering what makes people support Obama, other than the “Yes we can” substance-poor rhetoric. Hope is not a substitute for action. I know some will say that another dynasty is not acceptable. But I would counter that argument with the data at hand — one of the largest political dynasties in America supported Obama. It’s a little hard to argue against dynasties in the face of that.
I am not trying to be combative. I really want to know what makes people pull for a candidate who is less experienced versus one who has years of experience and knowledge. Thanks.

I was raised by a beagle, and she was very intelligent.

Lahoma and I have discussed the Clinton speech which took place a few moments ago. We support Obama.

Edwards is not a candidate so what’s the point?

Beagles, actually… They’re bright enough to know what they want, and stick up for themselves, hence “courage of their convictions.” That thing about housebreaking I heard years ago, and it may be a canard. Every beagle I’ve ever met has been a delightful, fun, intelligent dog.

Oh, Hillary, what experience?

Our Aussie, Sonny, was just the greatest – whenever anyone new or strange came up the driveway, he’d set up a howl like you would not believe. would just go crazy. Once he’d been introduced to the person as being “ok”, though, well that dog would just cuddle up. Great dog. We miss him terribly.

“Change”… Sen. Clinton. What’s unclear about this concept?

Did a little analysis/summary of the Virginia exit polls if you wanna see them. Some interesting stuff. One glimmer of hope for Hillary is that she took 59% of Western Virginia (though losing the North 65-35%; the SW 69-30%; and East 62-38%). Attention Christy! Could that mean that West Virginia might go to Hillary?

Hillary also took more much Older White Voters. Marginally she won the 45-59 yrs cohort (=53%); but above 60 years she pulled in 61%. Obama won all the categories under 45 though. Kind of interesting…Hillary drew more White females (55%) but Obama more White Males (55%). So Obama and Clinton actually split the White votes 50%-50%. Obama received 92% of Black males and 84% of Black females.

There seems to be some truth that Hillary would have done “better” if this was a closed primary. She actually won 58% of the White Democratic Voters (40% total)…but Obama pulled in 64% of the White Independents (16% of the total voters) and 88% of Black Democrats and Black Independents (29% of the voters).

About 15% of the voters were Republicans, almost all white (71% voting for Obama!). However, even if you took out all the Independent and Republicans, Obama would have won a closed Democratic Primary 59% to 41%.

Interestingly, the small Latino voting cohort (only 5% of the total) went for Obama 55% to 45% (Clinton).

Hillary split the “late deciders”. And actually had a slight edge in those that decided within the last three days (54%). But those who had made up their minds a while back supported Obama 64-36%.

Obama did better in Urban areas (66%) but won elsewhere as well (Suburbs and Rural 60%). He outpolled Hillary in all socio-economic categories, marerieds, unmarrieds, all ideological categories, all issues (Economy and Healthcare by @60%, Iraq by 66%)

Someone said earlier that Hillary won Catholics. Actually Obama did…but Hillary did win Catholic women, though barely.

About 7% of the participants were 1st time voters…71% of those went for Obama. Of those that voted in Primaries and Generals Obama won 60%, and Generals alone 63%.

We are seeing evitability in Senator Clinton, I believe.

Marion and Petrocelli,
I posted the recipe for the pineapple/cucumber gazpacho downstairs

Not dumb at all! He was given to me when he was less than 6 weeks old and I think that’s why he and I have such a closeness, because he thinks of me as the Den Mommy, which makes him very in tune to me…and it’s kind of scary.

I don’t follow.

Show me. I’m Missouri.

I’d like to know if Hillary Clinton has a clue as to how many children have perished as a result of our actions in the village of Iraq.

MSNBC projects Maryland for Obama

We don’t need change…we need a frikkin’ OVERHAUL!!!!! (sorry for “shouting”, but at this point…we need some friggin’ shouting!!!)

I consider this experience smoke and mirrors just halarious. I’ve seen nothing ever cited by the experience touters that show me any substantive reasons why she has more experience than Obama for being President–and coupled with the leash that large corporations have on her for their contributions to her, I consider this experience argument a real insult to me.
I know she hasn’t had any more experienc than Obama–I know that’s just so much rhetoric and I know that all the experience touters can never point to the experience. I think Brokaw is just as bad–yammering about experience but not giving one substantive reason why polls rate her more experienced.

Many, many of us here are/were Edwards supporters who have migrated into the Obama camp. I voted for John in 2004 and I voted for John in 2008. Now I’m happier with Obama than Hillary. I’m not the only one in this position. Welcome back to the lake!

Lots of us around here were Dodd and/or Edwards supporters. Many of us still are and have no dog in this hunt. We’ll show up to vote in the general for whomever wins. I think the anti-Hill leanings are attributed to many things including having Mark Penn, a union busting asswipe as one of her closest campaign advisors.

Frankly I don’t like either of the choices, O for many of the reasons you have mentioned. My concern is that they are both bought and paid for by the moneyed powers that be, the corporations. They wouldn’t have gotten this far without corpo backing.

My two cents. YMMV.

I’m an Edwards supporter, too. I have no preferene now. Going for straight electability. I think that’s Obama.

MSNBC calling them all for Obama.

Hill, “I’m tested and I’m ready!”

Problem is she’s flunking a lot of the midterms!

The office of president is, in many ways, one of symbolism. The prez can get the right people to do the job but the kind of hope and energy Obama is bringing has not been seen in this country in years. There is little to lose and lots to gain.

Heh, another trifecta for Obama…

Awwww, now you’re making me miss Sonny! I love the howl. It’s a distinct sound and it’s not a bark that makes you cringe or start running away with your hands over your ears looking for a way out. LOL

Stop being logical.

We are seeing evitability in Senator Clinton, I believe.

yup

but it ain’t over til it’s over

Interestingly, the small Latino voting cohort (only 5% of the total) went for Obama 55% to 45% (Clinton).

Ouch. If that holds true then she’s up a creek in Texas…

I didn’t read the post carefully, I though we were talking about edwards. My bad.

Thanks for the welcome back! Why are you happier with Obama than Hillary?

Heh. I am gruntled.

Thanks! Actually, I think I counted 4 plaintive requests!

Marion, I did have a hell of time house training him. When he was a year old it was a turning point in his behavior, because he started acting like the dog I always wanted by then! He’ll be 3 years old this summer and it’s quiet on the front now. No more yelling at yellow puddles! LOL I’m much calmer now.

I am not trying to be combative. I really want to know what makes people pull for a candidate who is less experienced versus one who has years of experience and knowledge. Thanks.

Welcome back. I’ll put up a short one.

Hillary could very well lose the general. Irrational Hillary-hatred is a very real thing. People who might otherwise stay home will get up, get out, and vote against Hillary.

*And* all of the down-ticket races for Senators and Representatives.

Obama is running on a campaign of hope, wishes. Realistic? Probably not.. but the world is watching this one very closely.

Our reputation is damned near ruined abroad – but not entirely, or irreparably. Who does the *world* want to see elected? And in the end, is that more, less, or equally important as who you or I might wanna see elected?

(from an Edwards supporter, fwiw)…

I, like you, don’t like my options. I opt for experience in that situation.
Thank you for your two cents.

“evitability”.

Good word. And I also think… perhaps quite applicable.

A question: Have you spent time on both candidates websites and read or watched a sampling of speeches (I’d recommend reading since the videos are not always complete) and then reviewed their issue discussions?

We see a slice of the campaigns – and what we see is colored by the media to fit their latest storyline.

For example, someone on a news site wrote a criticism of Obama’s New Orleans speech complaining that he presented no specifics – but this was based on what that author admitted was a soundbite on tv. If you go to the Obama pages, there’s the full text of the speech with a lot of specifics.

And just as we get the Obama is no substance line from the media, we get the Hillary is no warmth line yet if you watch some of the lengthier coverage of her town halls, you can see someone quite different from the cold wonky image the media presents.

So I keep trying to check issue papers and the times when there is live raw footage from events etc …

It might surprise you.

You nailed it here. If he excites people’s interest in their government, coat tails will be long.. and either of them can put together a good cabinet.

Obi is largely unknown, seems like a rising star and Hill seems like a blast from the past.

People want new.

I was glad to see

the Beagle won at Westminister this morning the first time for a Beagle. If a Basset couldn’t win, then I’m glad a Beagle did.

I’m still taking to you downstairs.
I’d really like to talk to you more.
You don’t have an F.
Would you kindly write me at tellblondie@ca.rr.com?
I mean, if you want. I’d like that.

OT – FISA news.

the house rules committee met late tonight to vote out a rule for consideration of a bill (submitted by conyers today) that would extend the PAA another 21 days.

this bill is on the house schedule for tomorrow. a more detailed comment is at emptywheel’s.

Whoa. I wasn’t expecting this much of a blowout.

Are the talking heads still focusing on the “He’s black and she’s a woman” angle? Because it seems like they should focus on the “He’s 46 and she’s 60″ angle. It seems to me that the best predictor of how people are going to vote is not race or sex but age. People are voting for the candidate whose age is closest to theirs.

Not looking for a fight, just a question: What makes you think Obama won’t favor multinational corporations just as much as Clinton would?

A night and day comparison… Habitat for Humanity versus…? ;-)

Tsunami Relief…believe me, there are many Clinton Foundation workers assisting relief work in Aceh. Lot’s of Habitat for Humanity projects, too.

And who would get there without it?

Thanks, jayt. I still would rather vote for experience than “hope.” But I see your point, and I appreciate the time you took to answer my question.

May I ask where you derived your nickname for Senator Obama? I have seen him called Obi nowhere but in your comments.

I can’t say enough about that dog. We used to raise livestock and he used to take care of the babies that we’d have to take into the kitchen so that they would not get hypothermia. He was the greatest nurse. He refused to climb upstairs (I think his first family trained him not to do that), so we’d find our son sleeping with him in the livingroom – he used to fluff up the dog like a pillow and just cuddle into him. If anyone came home in a funk, he’d pick it up immediately and go sit next to them and put his head in their laps.

Time for a third party, maybe. If we could start with the 33 Senators that voted the right way today, added the entire progressive caucus, and got Jane, Christy, Markos, Glenn, et al on the case, maybe? We’re ready for the fight. Now or neversville. Obama voted the right way, and Hillary screwed up by missing it.

The Constitution Party.

Duke it out pups, I’m outta here. Biodun, what are you talking about???

Senator Obama coming up on CSPAN-2, unfiltered.

imo, substance is found more in actions than in words and policy papers (not to say they are unimportant – just not as important as actions).

the substance of his actions has not impressed me so far.

a thing of beauty

Thank goodness we are grounded by our co-inhabitors of this earth, as opposed to putting our faith in humans alone…that is a huge part of the problem…

We are mostly their problem, not the solution. Where is Gore????

thank you!!!
awesome!

Mainly because I think she’s less electable. And the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton thing creeps me out. It feels almost un-American to me. Ultimately it’s purely a visceral thing that I can’t really put into words. Sorry I’m not more of a “policy wonk,” but their policies actually aren’t all that different.

MSNBC pundits still desperately trying to shout Rachel down..

No luck so far – she’s an oasis of sanity – they can’t handle her on the issues…

While I’m not quite ready to call it (the nomination) for Obama, I am edging closer to saying to Senator Clinton: you’re toast.

Stoller reporting a “mess in MD-04″

The 30 percenters are starting to eat each other.

meanwhile, from the doghouse:
NBC: “Deficit, spending picking up speed U.S. adding debt at more than twice last year’s pace.”

Thanks George. Keep it up. Just keep blowing it for your buddy McCain.

she is toast. i think she knows it too.

Dwwenz, the president of the United States prior to 2000 didn’t have to have a lot of experience, because his or her position was one that didn’t have any REAL POWER. It’s only been in the last eight years that we have a president who thinks he’s King of the Universe. So, with that in mind, Obama will surround himself with the right people. I don’t see why he wouldn’t.

Let’s not forget, George Bush had been arrested, did drugs, had insider charges under his belt, was the son of a former president who was involved in Iran/Contra/NWO crap/basically armed the Middle East, and basically had never traveled outside the country. He was not a good choice for America, even though he had been in government for a long time and had been raised by DC insiders.

My point?

Even though Obama hasn’t had 3 generations of his family in the American government, he has had a passion to bring our country back on track and his life experiences and his short time in government is enough to understand what needs to be done. We’ll get more of the same with Hillary, because really, her connections are no different than George Bush’s.

See? :-)

Is a Joy Forever.

Yep. Senator Clinton’s vote to support GWB’s attack on Iraq was very humanitarian. Perhaps think of as population control.

I was thinking about my collie last night, something I had not done much since she had to be put away in the last year of high school — too painful. She doesn’t even appear in my memories, not as a dog barking or drawing any attention to herself, yet whenever I went across the street into the woods, she much have been there. Whenever I went out bird-watching, she must have been with me. Whenever I sent out into the back fields and into the forests, she would have been with me, and yet I do not remember her being there, no more than I remember my right foot. I feel so bad about having tried to train her to heel, which she never would do, and of course she would not, because it was her duty to go ahead and lead me, her charge, her young sheep.

ooops well I only saw the first two. The other two ‘count’, i swear LOL. Well anyone who is interested in the recipe can find it downstairs.

I made a comment last night that Obama is the first post-Vietnam War era Presidential Candidate. He’s never been subject to the draft or had to deal with any of the issues that rend those that participated (or not) in that war. I thought John Edwards might have been that person, but actually he was susceptable to the draft, but his lottery number was too high to be eligible at the late stages of the conflict. Still, he had to consider it’s potential impact on him when he went off to college. Obama is of the next generation.

Siun,
Yes! Indeed I have looked at both candidates in the Democratic race with a very careful eye, hence my query. I don’t care for aspects of each campaign, and I like aspects of each. On the issues of economy, health care (insurance), and the environment, I favor Clinton. I am very wary of Obama on abortion rights and gay rights. I have tried to examine the candidates as if I could not see them because I truly do not care about skin color or gender.

That’s why the local radio guys were talking about beagles this morning! LOL! I was wondering why because usually it’s all politics all the time. Thanks.

I yearn for the day that we have publicly financed elections. I just hate how the corpo owned media froze Edwards out. They couldn’t afford him going any further so they made sure he didn’t.

I think your question is a good one. I have myself been quite ambivalent/torn in the discussion. Hillary does represent the Clinton/Bush “same old.” I think she is very smart, has been a good Senator, and yes, broad experience. She has been dedicated to many of these issues, children, race, health care, etc. forever. The debate goes, I think, that she may not be electable. I have never quite understood all of the polarizing talk, but she does; something about her enrages people. That quality and reaction go back along way. And then there is Obama. Yes, I think of lot of what is going on is a force, mystery, time has come sort of thing. The Kennedy analogy is powerful: we are so tired of the old, a new generation, he has a vision. Let along he is very smart, Law Review Editor at Harvard, hard worker, very good speaker. He has strong, competent talents; the force on his side, if it holds, is much more about timing, charima, the vision-thing, and the man and the moment, maybe inevitability. Magic and destiny, if you will.

Anyway, that is about the way I see it. Alot of people are asking your same question, I think

Hillary’s experience led her to co-sponsor a horrendous flag burning bill with a Republican. I don’t want that kind of experience.

Obama was not my first choice. I just prefer him to the DLC Clinton family.

I just made it up. is it bad?

Thanks for the info.

Potomac Primary: Sh*#ty Weather Is Our Friend – turns out to be a mixed bag.

IMO you’re right on the money (no pun intended).

Wobblybits, Thanks for the recipe. You should share it some SAT. morning during Christy’s pull up a chair segment.

Americans are seemingly sick of the Iraq occupation. They appear to be tired of their economic problems. And they are acting like they are weary of this “day one” business.

Wouldn’t that be great!

I made a comment last night that Obama is the first post-Vietnam War era Presidential Candidate. He’s never been subject to the draft or had to deal with any of the issues that rend those that participated (or not) in that war.

That’s what you think!

http://www.unconfirmedsources……temid=3021

Be afraid of the Noize Machine. Be very afraid.

Awwww, a farm dog. My uncle had a dog like that too. He would bring piglets into the kitchen and put them in a box behind the potbelly stove for warmth and Banjo would stay near making sure they were alright.

I think dogs naturally are caretakers if they’re brought up right.

No “ooops” required at all — I just wanted to let you know that you’ve got things going on in the kitchen that more of us than you realized want to find out about!

Thank you. I had a sense that I was not alone in my thinking. I don’t want to vote for someone because he is “not a Clinton.” If I can, I want to vote for someone who is going to do the best job as President.

Get out of Iraq now.

Joy in the Morning
In the Evening…ain’t we got fun!

CATS are, too. Well, MY cats are.

If I am around, I will definitely do that.

oh good – another Obama speech.

Whatever I may or may not think about Obama, he has a tendency to get me all misty when he speaks…

And then, there’s our current president. He gets me misty when he speaks, as well.

But for entirely different reasons…

Oh! You didn’t know? He won Best in Group last night and is up for Best in Show later tonight. On the USA network, if you want to see him.

The next president has an enormous hole to dig this nation out of.

The good thing is that simply over turning lots of Bushco crap is a no brainer. But then we need to do some serious changing of campaign finance, health care, military spending, trust busting… yikes

“his short time in government is enough to understand what needs to be done.”

Thank you for answering me, but I must ask, how do you know this?

LOL. Thought it was an homage to Obi Wan Kenobi.

Use the Force, Barack…..

We are watching Obama.

pass the popcorn and Scotch peeps

AP
Venezuela Halts Oil Sales to Exxon Mobil
Tuesday February 12, 9:27 pm ET
By Fabiola Sanchez, Associated Press Writer
Venezuela’s State Oil Company Halts Oil Sales to Exxon Mobil

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuela’s state oil company said Tuesday that it has stopped selling crude to Exxon Mobil Corp. in response to the U.S. oil company’s drive to use the courts to seize billions of dollars in Venezuelan assets.

Exxon Mobil is locked in a dispute over the nationalization of its oil ventures in Venezuela that has led President Hugo Chavez to threaten to cut off all Venezuelan oil supplies to the United States. Venezuela is the United States’ fourth largest oil supplier.

Obama addressing the Iraq War and tax cuts for the wealthy. Music to Lahoma’s and my ears.

Swift Trikes for Truth

http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..?track=rss

Ding, ding, ding! Edwards is corporate America’s worst nightmare and perhaps Obama will reward him with a major appointment.

Obama likes infrastructure and schools. Obama is hot.

Thanks for answering my inquiry. I really appreciate the information I read at FDL.

Rut-roh…

popopopopopopo Exxon…gets out tiny violin

Yep. Senator Clinton’s vote to support GWB’s attack on Iraq was very humanitarian. Perhaps think of as population control.

Kiddo…the question was about whether Bill, the former President had done anything humanitarian. Frankly, I find you twisting my statement about his work on tsunami relief insulting. I have seen PERSONALLY thousands of people the Clinton Foundation has been of enormous help to. Orphans, widows, homeless, people who were mentally ill as a consequence of losing their entire families.

If you want to attack Bill Clinton I suggest you use something else, cause that one won’t work.

TV was down on Clinton, MSNBC and all of them. I do not think anyone doubts that Tweety was the worst non-Fox offender. Obama is looking in a good spot with Texas, CA, and Penn & Ohio looking like Clinton needs them all. Good speeches are a good intro to new voters, debates will be interesting as well.

I also like the Obama trip to MI to talk at GM tommorrow is lifted from what I wanted to see Edwards or one of the candidates do the day after the no-campaign or delagate primary…go directly to the state after midnight and open up there. On this note I was glad to see Edwards suspend in NO.

I think any and all questions should be asked. None of ‘em would tick me off *g*; now’s the time–we’re getting into the home stretch of the primary. You should ask all kinds of questions and drill whatever candidate you want as deeply as you can.

I don’t see any substantive reasons why she has more experience than Obama that will impact her performance as President.

She is very disingenuous. She won’t answer questions. She refuses to relese her tax returns. She won’t relese contributors to the Clinton library–corporate masters and people Bill swung deals for. She refuses to release the 1.5 million documents that would detail her secret health care program in the 1990’s. If she is touting univrsal care, why won’t she release so much literature that chronicles what her plan was when she was married to the President?

Obama isn’t taking contributions any from lobbyists. Hillary takes a ton of them. At the top of her list are the Telcos and Comcos and Investment Banks. I haven’t heard her explain why she wasn’t on the floor today to vote against immunity. Obama was. McCain was on the floor to vote to shred the Constitution. I suspect her reasoning went that she didn’t want to offend her corporate masters, ATT, Verizon, Comcast, and Sprint so even though she easily could have gotten from DC to Texas, she chose not to.

Top Contributors to Clinton Whos Who of Corporate Masters

Hillary Contributors

DLA Piper $471,750
Goldman Sachs $413,361
Morgan Stanley $362,700
Citigroup Inc $350,895
Lehman Brothers $241,870
JP Morgan Chase & Co $214,880
EMILY’s List $213,266
National Amusements Inc $210,010
Kirkland & Ellis $179,676
Greenberg Traurig Llp $177,800
Skadden, Arps et al $167,796
Merrill Lynch $165,042
Cablevision Systems $145,313
Time Warner $144,977
Microsoft Corp $143,459
Bear Stearns $141,835
Latham & Watkins $138,598
Patton Boggs $137,200
Ernst & Young $126,865
PricewaterhouseCoopers $121,939

That was so yesterdays news.

dwwenz, if you’re looking at a primary vote, by all means and with all of our blessings (I’m sure) vote your conscience. We all hope, however, that when November rolls around you’ll hold your nose if necessary and vote for the Democratic candidate.

We will have our days precious folks. And they begin this November.

Hillary leads Obama by 78 delegates in the superdelegate column; 234 to 156.

That WAS her cushion. Now she trails him by a few, as of an hour ago, with the spread likely to get larger, as the Maryland and D.C. returns come in.

For those of us who are supporting Obama, we need to go into Denver with enough of a margin to make the superdelegate count of the smallest possible consequence. There’s a lot of the beltway “problem” there, that is scared shitless of a grass-roots “solution”, and if it’s close going in, they will be sore tempted to ignore the pledged-delegate count, and start working for Clinton.

The way to head that off is to put this thing out of reach on March 4th, three weeks from now.

Jesse Unruh, the late Speaker of the California Assembly from 1961 to 1968:

“Money is the mother’s milk of politics…”

Time for us to lactate for Obama, you guys. :o)

Know what? That he hasn’t been in government that long, but he’s been in long enough to understand what the American people want, which is no more cronyism?

Let’s put it this way…if you are qualified to be a manager and get a job at a company that is of a similar field you’ve had experience in but not 100%, you would understand what needs to be done as the manager and would do it, right? And as the manager you would hire the experts to get the various jobs done below you, correct?

Well, that’s why I’m not scared that Barack doesn’t have 50 years of experience under his belt.

Look for BushCo to take action against Hugo before they are out of here (and none too soon!) in Jan. ‘09.

have i mentioned id rather walk than fill up at Exxon?

hi all, been a while since I posted at the lake, but wanted to join the discussion again. greetings to all the folks I know.

anyway, i’ve also moved into the pro-Obama camp. Change is a big deal — we’ve been saying that we need fundamental change for a while. And, while no guarantees, I see a chance of him pushing that way that I don’t see anywhere else.

And a good part of it is that i just don’t trust Clinton. While I think her heart is in the right place overall, she’ll fold on any issue. Voting for the war in Iraq and voting to support attacking Iran are unforgivable in my eyes. And bellweathers of what we’d expect going forward.

Experience is not a criteria in my mind. Neither of them is particularly experienced in elective office, so I don’t see any advantage there.

I’d love to see Clinton take Kennedy’s path, give up on being president, and serve ably for a good long time in the senate. Would love to see her deserve our praise and trust going forward …

you include Emily’s List as a corporate master?

i hope Hugo sticks it to them good

Frankly, I’m crushed. Does this mean we’re not friends anymore? Have a good night.

Update from Tim Tagaris, by phone with Stoller:

Update from Tim Tagaris: Stoller calls in to tell me that they have two precincts in. Montgomery County #521 which went 59% to 35% for Wynn last time, went 508 votes to 167 this votes this time around for Edwards.

Also, Prince Georges County 13-13 which went 60% to 38% in favor of Wynn last time, was 415 (Edwards) to 432 (Wynn) this time.

So, way early. But two precincts in with favorable results.

Ha, I had no idea (as you said). Well if I’m around on Saturday, I’ll post a few more like Watermelon/Tomato Gazpacho and Arugula Salad w/ pear, spiced pumpkin seeds and meyer lemon dressing.

I need some wine

Holy Cow, can Obama pack a house, or what?

Obama is speaking truth.

I was gonna give him $100 per won primary, but I am not that rich!
YAY!
lol

Hillary’s experience led her to co-sponsor a horrendous flag burning bill with a Republican. I don’t want that kind of experience.

I think that there is something about her in what happened in that Bill. I recall the original Bill was far more extreme…so she basically got it narrowed so that one couldn’t burn a flag, and I may be wrong here, on Federal property.

It was a way of giving cover to all those who were scared of losing elections by an angry public incensed by the Limbaughs and Coulters.

Her view was, I suppose, (under her breath) “Well it’s a bad law, and no one has burned a flag on Federal property in decades, so it’s just a little bit of a bad bill.”

good ,its frsh air after 7 years of smog

Holy Cow, can Obama pack a house, or what?

Actually, I think he needs bigger ‘houses’….

It could very well be that the neocons are looking at Venezuela as their next military adventure. Are they forcing Chavez to retaliate in some way so they can ratchet up the animosity? I would have thought it unlikely but then I remembered Granada.

Yes, I am in Ohio. Our primary is March 4th.
Thanks to everyone here for their input. Good night.

Obama is inspiring. In this house we like Senator Obama.

OK, granted on the lobbyists, although I have read that the lobbyists are “working around” that ban (i.e., wives, relatives, etc.). But what, other than the lack of lobbyist contributions, has he done or said that makes you think he won’t favor multinationals? I was an Edwards supporter and find Obama a little hard to take since he seems to use Rethug framing (”crisis in Social Security”) and found his comment about “going into Pakistan” alarming.

You and me both!

Obama, unfortunately, is reduced to the stump speech tonight.

Oh well – writing’s hard – not many can do it, especially at this level…

(calling Aaron Sorkin, please…)

Obama mentions his hard working grandmother. My Grandma raised me. That does it. He’s my guy. That’s the moment.

Oh, drool! We’ll be waiting on Saturday!

On the issues of economy, health care (insurance), and the environment, I favor Clinton.

Bill Clinton promised gays in the military during his campaign, then promptly capitulated once in office. Hillary capitulated on health care and never fought for it again over the next 6 years or so.

I have lost my trust in Clintons. I’ve “had enough”.

Kiddo, you just made me smile :-)

My primary isn’t until April 22. I still plan to write in Edwards. Come Nov. I’ll hold my nose and vote, but this round goes to my heart.

Yes.

L.

Update from Stoller:

Update (Chris): 0504 Montgomery 371-161. In 2006 it went 280-161 for Edwards last time. Monto 1313: 2006 Edwards got 348-122. This time, 654-148. Mont Co 13-15: 489-94 in 2006. 694-92. Looking excellent.

In this house Obama makes us feel young again. That’s NOT easy to do.

LOL! I know they’d get him! That draft-dodging miscreant! How many real heros have been so desperate to serve our country that they lied about their age to enter the Marine Corps! I’m sure that Obama could have been an excellent person to search the VC tunnel system. He wouldn’t have even ad to crawl through them!

COWARD!

I think the same thing. I’d call David E. Kelley.

I am going to say this once:

I COULD LISTEN TO BARACK’S VOICE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

Michelle Obama is lucky to wake up to that voice every morning. *slapping hand over my mouth fast*

I have not spent any money at Exxon since the Valdez incident. Won’t spent a dime at Mobil now either.

Oh look, it’s Tom Davis and Jeannemarie Devolites Davis lurking just behind St John…

Just to add, Paul Begala was doing commentary tonight, and he said quite decisively that the Superdelegates will go “with the people.” He sounded very convincing.

McCain’s room is crowded too. There must be 2,3 hundred people there.

Precisely what we California John Edwards supporters did in our recent primary. Hooray for you RevDeb!

George Bush’s voice? Not so much. I will be happy when his fake accents are out of ear shot after January 20, 2009!

they have stuck the shiv in this countries back

this is a little unfair IMO… most of these names (banks and law firms) are the same people who donate to whomever is the frontrunner in either party at any given moment in time. Cost of doin’ business. If they were donating today, they’d give to Obama. If that list was dominated by Exxon and GM, I’d be worried, but this is just par for the course. The leading names in that group are equal opportunity bribers.

U.S. HOUSE, DISTRICT 4 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY RESULTS
Candidate Votes %
Donna Edwards 2,510 55%
Al Wynn * 1,884 41%
George Mitchell 62 1%
Michael Babula 35 1%
Jason Jennings 31 1%
George McDermott 23 1%
Key: Winner
Precincts: 6% | Updated: 10:03 PM ET | Source: AP

* incumbent

I think the same thing. I’d call David E. Kelley.

Amen. Put Sam Seaborn, Toby Ziegler, and James Spader’s characters in the same room – and let it fly.

ok – so that really doesn’t make any sense – but hopefully the idea snuck through…

Such a diverse crowd with Old Lord: white Senators, white Congressman, white state senators….

Is it just me or does John McCain and company look a bit constipated?

Teddy — heh!!

Kiddo and I watched the next president together a few minutes ago. Senator Obama. And we we are pleased. Kiddo’s gone upstairs.

Goodnight.

Lahoma and okk.

Pete – you have spent many column inches here just smoking Senator Clinton for what she has (or hasn’t) done. You have made dozens of lists of Senator Clinton’s shortcomings and refuted nearly every claim she makes about her experience.

Your arguments and your voluminous posts would be a lot more persuasive, if you spent some of those inches in detailing what your choice for President, Senator Obama, has (or hasn’t) done.

It’s pretty easy to dismiss the experience of others when the experience of Senator Obama isn’t specified. Your list-making skills are excellent. Try this list. Compare and contrast.

Thanks Teddy…and Stoller! Things sound great for Donna Edwards right now if we can trust the trends holding up! Let’s hope they get the issue with the vote counts fixed, and made SECURE. When you hear huge changeovers like this, and then there is some mess-up, well you worry about the fix being in.

March 4 is very crucial–if Obama can take Ohio and Texas, and it’s a big if, I think she’s out and can’t possibly get enough Super Delegates. She made a call to them yesterday, and a lot of them weren’t reassured. Momentum has more efficacy when the races are spread out as they are now.

I think he should get more aggresive and specific in refuting her “experience/day one” facade.

I thought I had done comparing and contrasting and I thought I listed his attributes many times. I’ve made a few lists on Hillary not dozens; one of them was a dozen questions to encourage a headliner to vet Clinton. So far that current vetting headline has not happened.

I think your suggestion is plenty constructive; I’ll be happy in the coming days to make a direct compare and contrast list. I’m not trying to be a broken record on the experience aspect, but it gets so much play on TV particularly and like most things they never get beyond the word experience. By most things for example,I mean these comments all over the media that “the surge is working” without ever going beyond that cheerleading phrase.

Typical was David Brooks’ column in NYT today asking what will happen if a Democrat becomes President and actually pulls troops out and the Pentagon objects that they erased the progress made this year. I would love to ask Brooks by what specific progress he is referring to since I and others can pull up a lot of evidence the surge hasn’t done anything except entrench us in Iraq with no end in sight and churn on the lack of political progress there that never changes significantly.

Que Sera, Sera, whatever will be will be, whatever…..

My dog show friend says the Akita or the Sealyham….we shall see…

Wonder why experience is so often seen only as a positive. Experience led Hillary to vote for the Iraq War and Kyl Lieberman.

Or, what about a certain captain of a ship that hit an iceberg. What good did his experience do for him. Not that Hillary is going to sink the ship of state, but the point is sometimes it’s what we don’t know that can save us, and conversely, everything we know can be wrong given the time and circumstances.

Beagle.

Wonder why experience is so often seen only as a positive. Experience led Hillary to vote for the Iraq War and Kyl Lieberman.

These are two votes that she has never explained, and frankly hasn’t been able to read the bills with any degree of comprehension of a first year law student according to her pronouncements on them and the Levin amendment.

In dozens of speeches (as to what he’s done and said) he has attacked outsourcing jobs to foreign shores which takes away American jobs and vows to stop that and the tax shelters that are accorded these companies.

granted on the lobbyists, although I have read that the lobbyists are “working around” that ban (i.e., wives, relatives, etc.).

I suppose you mean that Obama is getting significant contributions from wives and relatives and etc. of lobbyists. There is no evidence whatsoever that’s happening. He’s pulling in a million a day right now in small contributions. She’s had some days since Sup Tue of a half million. He’s killing her in fund raising from small contributors.

As to foreign policy, I don’t see a lot of difference in the Bush train wreck and Clinton’s lack of any plan for diplomacy other than this nebulous pipe dream to send Bill around provided she could keep Bill and Ron Burkle from picking up babes in the jet long enough to exert this nebulous misty diplomacy she alludes to.

I’m not worried about what Obama would hypothetically do in Pakistan where Bin ladin and AQ central are that bad ass Bush and Cheney haven’t touched. If Bush and Cheney the chickenhawks who never fought and ran from serving in harms way literally are such badasses on security, why haven’t they had the balls to go after AQ in Wazirastan because it sure isn’t going to happen with the $10 billion spent on Pakistan thus far.

I’m much more worried that we are mired in a fiasco in Iraq and Clinton won’t do jack to get us out.

I also meant to add that one of the fundraising problems for Clinton is that a huge percentage of her regular contributors have maxed out, and by that I mean they have given up to the $2500 per contributor limit.

She ’s toast.

PetePierce@245:

Yep. He can start calling her out on some things, a bit more, now.

But he still has to be careful, about putting her into the “victim” mode. It could backfire on us. In fact, his best strategy may be to practically ignore her, and go after McCain and bush.

I wasn’t kidding about the money. I’ve got a little picture of Andy Jackson for him, for starters. Every little bit helps. :o)

Oh. And John Edwards needs to shit or get off the pot, about an endorsement. If he waits until Obama has run the table he’ll deserve the post of whitehouse doggy-poop cleaner-upper.

I hope that the reason he didn’t do it yesterday, was because Obama wants to save him for Texas and Ohio. :o)

Now, now, Pete@253…

That was $10 billion well spent. :o)

Musharraf has allowed bush to take several long, satisfying, sniffs, of Obama’s bicycle seat, after it was parked on that Islamabad side street for 6 weeks. :o)

When are you guys going to stop bringing up Kyl-Lieberman? Your guy didn’t even show up for the vote, and he sponsored very similar legislation. The way you’ll forgive everything Obama does is truly annoying.

And siri, we get it. You can just look at Hillary on television and determine everything about her mental state. You’re a regular Bill Frist.

Someone please read this entire comments section like I just did, and then try and argue again how “both sides” engage in trash talk. Obama supporters are snarking it up on here at a rate of about 20-1.