Comments on: FISA Fiasco: Too Little, Too Late Pat http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:48:03 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Arnie http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1270519 Arnie Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:00:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1270519 <blockquote><p>I’m merely a middle-aged fart of (snif) 48.</p></blockquote> <p>Precocious auld thing - you</p> <p>(too good to pass up, ;-)</p>

I’m merely a middle-aged fart of (snif) 48.

Precocious auld thing – you

(too good to pass up, ;-)

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269900 bigbrother Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:56:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269900 <p>Hat tip to your comment Teddy</p> Hat tip to your comment Teddy

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269890 bigbrother Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:54:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269890 <p>They consider themselves ruling class not our representatives.</p> They consider themselves ruling class not our representatives.

]]> By: JTMinIA http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269788 JTMinIA Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:27:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269788 <p>Oh, heck. If Jane was just lashing out in anger, I could totally understand. So far I’ve tripled my daily dose of nicotine, failed to use the correct voices when reading Junie B Jones to my daughter, and didn’t even smile when chocolate milk started leaking from my son’s left nostril at dinner (even though it was hilarious in an “it’s-laundry-night-anyway” kind of way). But that doesn’t seem to be the case. Using a completely out-of-context quote to back up the idea that Leahy folded was uncool (Fox-like) and too calculated to count as lashing out. That’s a smear.</p> Oh, heck. If Jane was just lashing out in anger, I could totally understand. So far I’ve tripled my daily dose of nicotine, failed to use the correct voices when reading Junie B Jones to my daughter, and didn’t even smile when chocolate milk started leaking from my son’s left nostril at dinner (even though it was hilarious in an “it’s-laundry-night-anyway” kind of way). But that doesn’t seem to be the case. Using a completely out-of-context quote to back up the idea that Leahy folded was uncool (Fox-like) and too calculated to count as lashing out. That’s a smear.

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269723 Maddy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:12:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269723 <p>That last sentence will be my death knell(sp) if I don’t say it correctly.<br /> This side of the fence is where all the (cool) cats hang and like I said above you know what herding all of us cats is like.<br /> Whew!</p> That last sentence will be my death knell(sp) if I don’t say it correctly.
This side of the fence is where all the (cool) cats hang and like I said above you know what herding all of us cats is like.
Whew!

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269711 Maddy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:09:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269711 <p>DiFi doesn’t finish well does she…and by the way you are no troll and I would hope within the bounds of propriety that we can always have open discourse, if we can’t we have become what we fight, but I still don’t think it was a cheap shot, and if we ere it is that we are so goddamn angry and frustrated.<br /> This side of the fence is where all the (cool) cats hang and like I said above you know what that is like.</p> DiFi doesn’t finish well does she…and by the way you are no troll and I would hope within the bounds of propriety that we can always have open discourse, if we can’t we have become what we fight, but I still don’t think it was a cheap shot, and if we ere it is that we are so goddamn angry and frustrated.
This side of the fence is where all the (cool) cats hang and like I said above you know what that is like.

]]> By: JTMinIA http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269675 JTMinIA Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:59:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269675 <p>I’m nobody special. And more than half of what I know about Senate procedure came in the last week or so from cbolt and others on emptywheel, which is what made the accusation of being a troll and/or a newcomer to FDL somewhat amusing. But I’ve always been against simple sound-bytes. And I don’t like cheap-shots (unless I’m the one doing it!).</p> <p>The big picture doesn’t come close to supporting an attack on Leahy or Dodd or Feingold. If you want to attack a Democrat (who isn’t an obvious jerk, like Rockefeller, or an irrelevant DINO, like Landrieu, Pryor, or Nelson), then one person you should be going after is DiFi. She’s done more damage in the last few months than most Rs. Mukasey. Her worthless amendment last week that ended up providing cover for Blue Dogs. Cuddling up with Jello. Yuck!</p> <p>Specter has been better than she has for a year or more. And as someone who just left PA last summer, is now an Edwards county-level delegate in IA, that says quite a bit.</p> I’m nobody special. And more than half of what I know about Senate procedure came in the last week or so from cbolt and others on emptywheel, which is what made the accusation of being a troll and/or a newcomer to FDL somewhat amusing. But I’ve always been against simple sound-bytes. And I don’t like cheap-shots (unless I’m the one doing it!).

The big picture doesn’t come close to supporting an attack on Leahy or Dodd or Feingold. If you want to attack a Democrat (who isn’t an obvious jerk, like Rockefeller, or an irrelevant DINO, like Landrieu, Pryor, or Nelson), then one person you should be going after is DiFi. She’s done more damage in the last few months than most Rs. Mukasey. Her worthless amendment last week that ended up providing cover for Blue Dogs. Cuddling up with Jello. Yuck!

Specter has been better than she has for a year or more. And as someone who just left PA last summer, is now an Edwards county-level delegate in IA, that says quite a bit.

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269628 Maddy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:46:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269628 <p>JTMinIA February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm<br /> Thanks,<br /> Jane can certainly defend herself, but I think her take was looking at the whole picture and the absolute abdication of responsibility to the oath they swore to uphold by all, they did not stand tall enough, the fourth amendment was trashed. I am not anywhere near as tuned into the political machinations as you, just my take, but not meant as anything but an observation and mho. Peace, we be on the good side and it is herding cat time as always.</p> JTMinIA February 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Thanks,
Jane can certainly defend herself, but I think her take was looking at the whole picture and the absolute abdication of responsibility to the oath they swore to uphold by all, they did not stand tall enough, the fourth amendment was trashed. I am not anywhere near as tuned into the political machinations as you, just my take, but not meant as anything but an observation and mho. Peace, we be on the good side and it is herding cat time as always.

]]> By: peterboy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269532 peterboy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:17:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269532 <p>how come you have such clear insight on this, are you an ex-staffer?</p> how come you have such clear insight on this, are you an ex-staffer?

]]> By: CarolynU http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269443 CarolynU Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:54:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-too-little-too-late-pat/#comment-1269443 <blockquote><p>My sister lives in VT long ago she and warned me about looking to Leahy for anything of substance. Her words are just as true today as they were 4 years ago. Leahy is “sound and fury signifying nothing” as far as I am concerned. Him and nearly all the rest of them (I know there are a few good men …and women. but onl a few.)</p></blockquote> <p>I emphatically disagree. Not a “Vermonter” but I am a yankee who has lived in Vermont for more than 25 years. I voted for Leahy in the first election I ever voted - 1980. He’s been my Senator for nearly 30 years and though I have not agreed with every vote he has cast, I’ve tried to reserve judgement until I read the letter he sends explaining his vote and the rationale for it. Invariably, I understand his choices. He is an honorable man, and a champion of the Constitution.</p>

My sister lives in VT long ago she and warned me about looking to Leahy for anything of substance. Her words are just as true today as they were 4 years ago. Leahy is “sound and fury signifying nothing” as far as I am concerned. Him and nearly all the rest of them (I know there are a few good men …and women. but onl a few.)

I emphatically disagree. Not a “Vermonter” but I am a yankee who has lived in Vermont for more than 25 years. I voted for Leahy in the first election I ever voted – 1980. He’s been my Senator for nearly 30 years and though I have not agreed with every vote he has cast, I’ve tried to reserve judgement until I read the letter he sends explaining his vote and the rationale for it. Invariably, I understand his choices. He is an honorable man, and a champion of the Constitution.

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