Comments on: FISA Fiasco Thread #2 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:20:10 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1269268 selise Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:46:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1269268 <p>thanks.</p> thanks.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1269243 MarkH Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:32:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1269243 <blockquote><p>Here’s what we can do. Contact and call out each Senator individually. Everybody can focus on just one or two. Make ‘em defend what they did.</p></blockquote> <p>Too late. I don’t want to hear a defense to the indefensible. I just want them to lose their next election, regardless of who their opponent might be.</p>

Here’s what we can do. Contact and call out each Senator individually. Everybody can focus on just one or two. Make ‘em defend what they did.

Too late. I don’t want to hear a defense to the indefensible. I just want them to lose their next election, regardless of who their opponent might be.

]]> By: siri http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268877 siri Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:49:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268877 <p>CHIT i had to take a business call and missed feingold and boxer<br /> that always happens! my hero’s get up to speak, and i gottas <a href="mailto:go@!" rel="nofollow">go@!</a></p> <p>dang!</p> CHIT i had to take a business call and missed feingold and boxer
that always happens! my hero’s get up to speak, and i gottas go@!

dang!

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268867 bigbrother Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:41:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268867 <p>Happy to see you lighten up a bit, this blog it seems to me is not Obama’s web site. You have hammered the points in favor of your fav often. I believe the FDL site has not opted to support either as of yet. You are not the only often commenting Obama supporter. The campaign is in the states still..then it goes to the convention. Their is a lot of congress critters tha need support to stay in and new ones too.<br /> In the interest of a democratic White house and Congress that is better served if the attack are directed at McCain and the present republican administration. Thr repthugs will serve up plenty of negative on the dems.<br /> Having said that I have criticized Dem leadership a plenty.<br /> Yes the dems cave…as expected…that does not mean we fold up our tent and become immigrants. In my life I have developed a fondness for my country more so as a land than as a political body. It is still worth fighting for and their are many non violent ways to oppose tyranny.</p> Happy to see you lighten up a bit, this blog it seems to me is not Obama’s web site. You have hammered the points in favor of your fav often. I believe the FDL site has not opted to support either as of yet. You are not the only often commenting Obama supporter. The campaign is in the states still..then it goes to the convention. Their is a lot of congress critters tha need support to stay in and new ones too.
In the interest of a democratic White house and Congress that is better served if the attack are directed at McCain and the present republican administration. Thr repthugs will serve up plenty of negative on the dems.
Having said that I have criticized Dem leadership a plenty.
Yes the dems cave…as expected…that does not mean we fold up our tent and become immigrants. In my life I have developed a fondness for my country more so as a land than as a political body. It is still worth fighting for and their are many non violent ways to oppose tyranny.

]]> By: ImaPT http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268844 ImaPT Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:32:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268844 <p>Overall - I’m still disappointed with McCaskill. She did vote for most of the Feingold amendments, but blew it on immunity. She voted for the Specter/Whitehouse and Feinstein immunity amendments (3927 and 3919) and voted against the only true anti-immunity amendment (Dodd/Feingold - 3907).</p> <p>She’s proven to me that she is more beholden to the telecoms than she is to the people who elected her. I also worked on her campaign (and won’t next time). She campaigned on bringing accountability to Washington and proved it a lie today by voting to let the telecoms and (by extension) the Administration avoid accountability.</p> Overall – I’m still disappointed with McCaskill. She did vote for most of the Feingold amendments, but blew it on immunity. She voted for the Specter/Whitehouse and Feinstein immunity amendments (3927 and 3919) and voted against the only true anti-immunity amendment (Dodd/Feingold – 3907).

She’s proven to me that she is more beholden to the telecoms than she is to the people who elected her. I also worked on her campaign (and won’t next time). She campaigned on bringing accountability to Washington and proved it a lie today by voting to let the telecoms and (by extension) the Administration avoid accountability.

]]> By: nomolos http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268837 nomolos Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:29:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268837 <blockquote><p>So why don’t they have the same limits on individual political contributions?</p></blockquote> <p>For that answer you will have to rely on <strong>Mukasey Logic</strong>. The answer is because they are…. corporations.</p>

So why don’t they have the same limits on individual political contributions?

For that answer you will have to rely on Mukasey Logic. The answer is because they are…. corporations.

]]> By: TLinGA http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268827 TLinGA Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:26:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268827 <p><em>The key here is the SCOTUS decided sometime ago that a corporation has the same first amendment rights to free speech as a person. Talk about judicial activism. This means they can do anything a person can in regards to spending for campaigns.</em></p> <p>So why don’t they have the same limits on individual political contributions?</p> The key here is the SCOTUS decided sometime ago that a corporation has the same first amendment rights to free speech as a person. Talk about judicial activism. This means they can do anything a person can in regards to spending for campaigns.

So why don’t they have the same limits on individual political contributions?

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268815 PetePierce Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:19:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268815 <p>I thought about this more, and realize what must have caught your eye. I made a comment that Senator Clinton was still under the illusion she was a candidate. It was snarky, over the line and I apologize. She is definitely a candidate, but she is also trying to capture the race <em>I believe</em> via Super Delegates. Senator Obama is well aware of them, and her organization on SD’s and in the big three states to come, so it will be a very tight contest.</p> I thought about this more, and realize what must have caught your eye. I made a comment that Senator Clinton was still under the illusion she was a candidate. It was snarky, over the line and I apologize. She is definitely a candidate, but she is also trying to capture the race I believe via Super Delegates. Senator Obama is well aware of them, and her organization on SD’s and in the big three states to come, so it will be a very tight contest.

]]> By: Bluetoe2 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268794 Bluetoe2 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:09:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268794 <p>If that what you want I suggest moving to either France, Great Britain or any of many constitutional democracies of Europe. America will need another revolution to restore constitutional democracy. Revolutions are initiated by citizens. Americans have become a nation of consumers. Consumers don’t care about democracy as long as the shelves are stocked.</p> If that what you want I suggest moving to either France, Great Britain or any of many constitutional democracies of Europe. America will need another revolution to restore constitutional democracy. Revolutions are initiated by citizens. Americans have become a nation of consumers. Consumers don’t care about democracy as long as the shelves are stocked.

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268791 bigbrother Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:06:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-fiasco-thread-2/#comment-1268791 <p>Maddog you make scense that bothers some negative commentors. We welcome your positive ideas. I am confident that others are working on ways to solve the rot in our government. Putting justice under the church is retrograde to the Inquisition complete with fear, torture and treachery.</p> Maddog you make scense that bothers some negative commentors. We welcome your positive ideas. I am confident that others are working on ways to solve the rot in our government. Putting justice under the church is retrograde to the Inquisition complete with fear, torture and treachery.

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