You can sign up to volunteer for Donna here.
Thanks to the 48 hour reporting rule, we know that Steny Hoyer has turned on the money spigot and cash is pouring into Al Wynn’s campaign in the race against Donna Edwards:
Foundation Coal, Verizon, Society of Independent Gasoline Markets, Reliant Energy, Allegheny Energy, American Electric Power, American Healthcare Association, BankAmerica Corporation, Cisco Systems, Coventry Health Care, Dell Inc, Dominion PAC, Eastman Kodak, Gaylord Entertainment Co PAC, General Electric PAC, Genesis Healthcare Corporation, Healthcare Distribution Management Assocation, Hogan and Hartson PAC, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Microsoft, Mirant, National Fisheries Institute (FISHPAC), National Association of Broadcasters, NODAK, Norfolk Southern, NORPAC, Pinnacle West Capital Corporation, US Chamber of Commerce
[]
Air Line Pilots Association, Comcast Corp. Political Action Committe, Con-way Inc, Federal National Mortgage Association PAC, GlaxoSmithKline, National Air Traffic Controllers Association, National Apartment Association PAC, Northrop Grumman, Online Lenders Alliance, Safeway .
So let me put on my thinking cap and wonder what a huge infusion of last minute cash to a campaign could possibly be for.
Gee, I dunno. Never been down this road before.
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“alooooo, Jane.
Yep. Kinda reminds me of the $384K of “petty cash” that LIEberman never did account for. “Walking around money?”
“street money”? Never heard that term before – missed Matt’s earlier post. Sounds like b.r.i.b.e to me….
Damn, I’m *still* so naive…
that’s pretty much what we figured was going on in CT. But unless someone investigates it, we’ll never know. Not holding my breath.
Buying votes.
A last-minute smear campaign, too late to be countered before election day.
Is it possible to get rid of Hoyer? Anyone challenging him?
Jane left out:
(my bold).
Dis.Gus.Ting.
I remember a story from an election in my hometown when I was a kid. One of the candidates for I think it was county Judge or some such was said to have purchased and given out 36 half pints of whiskey in one of the poorer precincts in town (especially since liquor sales were at least then banned while the polls were open) .
He received 32 votes in that precinct.
No. But the US Attorney in CT did get a nice fat promotion, didn’t he?
THAT would take some real strong ovarian power. I’d give lots to any dem who wanted to primary Hoyer, Rahmbo or Reid. Perhaps Pelosi too.
I’d want a WHOLE pint for MY vote- and something decent- not rotgut.
earth to allan, what is the campaign going to do with $150k the day before the election?
I’m not saying that buying votes is a good idea, but it certainly has a venerable history in the United States. In the eighteenth century, candidates were expected to throw massive beer bashes on election day, with an effective competition for who threw the best bash. Madison considered this stuff unseemly, which is why he barely managed to get elected to the First Congress.
It’s an incumbent thing.
You know, you ignore my corruption and I’ll ignore yours.
Waaay th heck OfT – but did you know that I “talked” to you on a podcast? Well, not really.
Joh called, and asked that I call in to participate in a conversation on ,,ummm, something. I don’t remember at the moment – so I called in, and was listening to a conversation between you, Peterr, and Joh about gay marriage. Not what I was expecting to talk about, but I figured what the heck – so I joined into the conversation – except that I didn’t.
Somehow, I either called the wrong number, or there was some other techno-glitch, and I was listening to a pre-recorded pod-cast…
fwiw, the three of you you were quite eloquent in your non-responses to me – I finally figured out that I wasn’t live – but enjoyed listening to the discussion nonetheless.
Pizza for the victory party?
How do you know detailed info like that? American history a long-standing hobby?
Morning/Afternoon everyone :)
I have a question re; last thread/Ted Olson.
Has Ted ever explained how he spoke to his wife whilst in-flight on 9/11, when the technology was unavailable at that time?
Ned Lamont was crushing Joe Lieberman in the CT Senate primary. Right at the end, Lieberman’s campaign released $350,000 from PETTY CASH. That
blatant vote buyingnarrowed Lamont’s primary victory to, I’m guessing, eight or nine points. From then on Lieberman was able to ask, “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or a Jesse Jackson Democrat?“Quid for quo. Damn I hate all of this.
I think some of the fundies may be right. Soddom and Gomorrah—God threatened to destroy them and Abram begged that they be spared. But he couldn’t find 10 honest men to stay the “hand” of God.
Do we have 10 honest men or women left in govt? I’m not seeing many myself.
I used my cell phone on an airplane in flight as early as 1998.
Why do you say that? Both cell phones & air phones were available at the time. My Q is that cell phones don’t work at flight altitudes cause no towers near enough. So I always thought the calls were from air phones. But then I read somewhere that there were cell phone calls. Can anyone clear that up?
That was a long time ago! Odd. Thanks though for the good thoughts.
Beer was good, but the really effective politicians went straight for the rum.
In 1758 George Washing supplied 180 gallons of rum, beer and cider to a total of 361 voters to gain a seat in the House of Burgesses. The beer and cider were good, but it was the rum that did the trick.
short answer – no.
Slightly longer answer – Of course not.
Might I suggest that you pick up and read “Debunking 9-11 Debunking” by David Ray Griffin?
Also interesting is that Quallcom(sp?) announced in 2004 or maybe 2005 that it had come up with new technology which *would* actually make possible cell-phone conversations from a high-altitude, fast-traveling, passenger airliner?
An announcement which not only went virtually un-noticed, but disappeared in one hell of a hurry?
Feingold, Dodd, Webb, Kennedy, . . .
jeebers.
Where oh where did the edit button go??
Of course it was Washington, not Washing, and it was 160 gallons.
After the failures of Reconstruction, European Americans didn’t want to deal with WEB Dubois, because he wouldn’t give up the vote. They got Booker T. Washington to surrender to white supremacy laws in return for money to set up “Negro Colleges.” Dubois had to flee to Europe to avoid getting lynched.
European Americans really, really didn’t like Jack Johnson, which led to Joe Louis’ popularity.
European Americans preferred Willie Mays to Jackie Robinson, because Willie wasn’t so outspoken on “integration.”
European Americans didn’t want to deal with Malcolm X, which made Dr. King very popular.
A lot of European Americans preferred Joe Frazier to
Cassius ClayMuhammed Ali.There’s a reason progressives call it the incumbent-protection rackets.
Yeh. I’ve always been interested in the revolution and early republic.
Here is a cool painting of election day:
http://www.artchive.com/artchi…..n.jpg.html
Well, you looked “mahvelous”
I’m sure.
Whitehouse—I think. and Steve Cohen who took Ford’s seat in the house. . . .
What’s 20 gallons more or less among friends- no witnesses anyway.
I’d go to europe to avoid gettin lynched–you betcha!
I’d just go to europe anyway.
That’s at least one of the reasons that many areas still ban the sale of alcohol on election day.
Re; phone call, I’m trying find the links, but there was something about her not being able to use her credit card/collect call. So I’m guessing it wasn’t a cell phone. If I’m completely tripping, please tell me gently….:)
It was that last 20 gallons that really gave me a headache.
My wife has a dual citizenship- US/germany- so it’s always an option- but it’s fuckin COLD there!!
Cool.
Bet you aced all your Am History tests.
My wife is Costa Rican, a warm place, with beaches.
David Ray Griffin’s book reveals that there were no, what do you call them, “air phones” on that particular plane. So it was a cell phone, or nothing.
I *am* interested in ET’s earlier comment, however….
I always thought it would be air phones. They require a credit card.
but it’s fuckin COLD there!!
same problem I keep running up against when I consider Canada.
Good beer in both places, fwiw.
Oh wait, I quit that. Shit, the search continues for a suitable, warm, place….
So how did cell phones work? Were they flying close enough to the ground to pick up a cell tower? There were several calls, not just the one between the Olsens. That’s how the passengers figured out what had happened to the other planes & that, since they were all going to die anyway, they might as well not do it into a DC monument.
Jayt, thank I’ll add that book to my list:)
The whole phone call thing was odd and seems like an easy(ish) thing to clear up, phone/credit card records etc, but it just faded away like so many of the other oddities.
Oh HELL no!
I’m in fer twenty for Donna.
I ain’t going to say what I’m thinking about Steny but you can guess……
OK. I’ve kept my
mouth shutfingers off the keyboard until now.A direct line of sight from a low-altitude airplane to a cell tower is as good a connection as you could hope for.
Thanks. So low altitude it was. One of the factors that’s been bugging me too.
Were they flying close enough to the ground to pick up a cell tower?
No. And traveling way too fast for a normal cell phone to move from tower to tower.
There were several calls…
Supposedly. I’m not buying.
Steny meet Dick.
Dick wants to take you hunting.
RIP- Rep. Tom Lantos…
sorry last on 9/11 for today and sorry about ‘hijacking’ thread.
‘9/11 – Solicitor Gen. Ted Olson–who has admitted the US gov’t lies and helped stopped FL recount that sealed ‘00 Bush win–claims wife Barbara called him collect from Flight 77 twice and is sole source that hijackers used box cutters. (9/11 Panel, MSNBC, USA Today)’
NH update:
Latest polls show (D)Jeanne Shaheen ahead of (R) John Sununu by 17%.
-G
IIRC, we attributed Webb’s narrow win over Allen at least in part to the siphoning off of resources to Joe Lieberman’s campaign.
If nothing else, Donna Edwards has run a helluva campaign. She has scared the pants off of Steny and the other Vichy Dems to the tune of $150,000. Even if she doesn’t win, she has imo really helped the progressive cause in America.
A direct line of sight from a low-altitude airplane to a cell tower is as good a connection as you could hope for.
How about from 35,000 to 45,000 feet? (which was their reported altitude, if not higher, at the time that these supposed calls took place?)
Which is not to even get into the difference between the structural components of a Piper Cub, in which there’s about a 30% chance of completing a call at 3,000 feet, and a commercial airliner, which is built a bit differently, and traveling one hell of a lot faster?
I just donated also, and like you I don’t want to say what I’m thinking about Hoyer. We need to be civil.
I saw Fools Gold with ny daughter the other day and there was one camera shot of a beach, all white, and the clearest blue water…so beautiful, so where I could spend the rest of my life….in Australia.
Sorry to be OT just had to say
That’s not OT– everyone’s talking about where they want to move to. Which I think is a mistake. As Americans at least we have a say: our votes are counted and…
Wait…
:there was one camera shot of a beach, all white, and the clearest blue water…so beautiful, so where I could spend the rest of my life….in Australia.
Ahhh, if only…. Australians may be laid-back and lovely, but they’re not dumb. Emigrating to Australia is damn near impossible, unfortunately.
( removing scorched tin foil from his forehead )
I’m sure that there will be many tributes to Lantos, as there should be,
but a less than seemly moment in his congressional career was when he enabled,
if not abetted, the fraudulant testimony in 1990 by the daughter of Kuwait’s ambassador
to the US, posing as somone else,
about babies being ripped out of incubators in the Kuwait City hospital.
Saddam’s troops were indeed thugs,
but making up cr*p like this is straight out of the fascist playbook.
My lips are sealed, and my fingers tied to the keys that won’t let me tap what I think-growl of the tiger, like the one in the previews of 10,0000 bc.
Will also go to the bank and donate what I can…thanks all for caring, this fight is a long one..hold each other up.
I’m not ceding the country over to the crackpots.
Ms. Edwards sounds like my kind of Democrat. My wife has asked if I have given any consideration to sending a bit of help her way? I know what that means.
jayt-the minimum wage is 18 dollars an hour, if you go to the doc it is free.
My ex has a boyfriend who lives there…Hope he has a nice older lady friend I can marry–7070707.
Sort of an anti-Blue America attitude from Hillary Clinton:
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..nd-losses/
Man, Team Clinton just refuses to get it. This is the same crap Terry McAuliffe was spewing as DNC chair, and eliminating offices in the small, red states. Now he’s peddling the same nonsense as a Hillary campaign manager.
The 50 State Strategy, Blue America, and Obama’s campaign are the exact opposite. The 2006 Blue Wave, perhaps the biggest Dem sweep in history, is proof that there is value in going after “red” states.
“Old” Thinking vs. “New” thinking. It’s really what the Prez race has come down to.
That does it. I am writing to Hillary.
My lady and me (we are both teachers, my lady does English and I do math, in a not very rich public school in rural south western Oklahoma) are having a very good day. ;0) We gave exams today and not one of our kids failed. Yes we had a couple or so of D’s, but if you knew these few so called “F-kids” you would understand what we are talking about. It’s the first exam or quiz they passed. And every one of our other kids did better. We are walking on air. Today. We are pleased.
btw, there were some very unsavory events in the last Edwards/ Wynn primary (Wynn side), and the election was very close. I can’t remember the details right now, but I thought I’d just mention this before I go googling for the details. Cause I fear everyone will have moved by the time I get back.
OT, but more ‘phone’ problems..
‘NEW YORK – An outage has disconnected BlackBerry smart phones across North America.’
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..rry_outage
mcJoan has a new post on the great orange satan on FISA here.
The nub:
Good Job!!! Good kids.
I am maintaining a strategy of not attacking Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. I will vote for the nominee of my Democratic party next November.
Great news.. Congratulations to you & Lahoma for great & dedicated teaching.
oops. thought I was posting to marcy’s blog.
I see it differently than you– to me this means that Obama appeals to the red staters because he is a centrist. He’s willing to compromise and say things to appeal to them. I don’t understand why so many liberals see this as a positive.
We don’t need the ignorant country bumpkins to win this. Why do you want to pander to them?
I don’t think cell phones work well on planes when at high altitudes because of range to the cell towers and because cell towers beam their antennas horizontally not skyward. They are like more like a radar which looks around horizontally.
At low altitudes the problem for cell phones is speed because the plane is moving so fast and the switches if they do pick up a signal can manage them and handle the hand off from one tower to the next.
use of cell phones in slower planes fly low may be possible.
Sat phones may work in planes as well, but I doubt that she had one.
One theory is that the whole cell call “evidence” was faked. But that’s another story.
Thakyou marymccurnin, from I believe, Placer County, Cali.
There seems to be great tendency for many to write their own projections on the blank slate of Obama.
Sac county, rancho c. american river
We’re just so lucky that we both have jobs we love. Hope you are having a very good day. ;0)
mitt romnery will be the republican candidate in 2012
unless he’s a super dud as a spokesperson they are gromming him as best they can
that was the deal they struck with him…drop out now ans we’ll anoint you in 2012
this I extrapolate from teh folowing think prgress lead;
I don’t think Obi is incapable of doing the right thing if he is president. Nor Hillary.
The office may actually inspire either of them.
Hill will really get trashed by the right in the campaign… badly.
That makes sense.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/9/15/191754/190
~~~The polls closed on Tuesday evening, but voting machines in anywhere between two to eight precincts (probably controlled by Wynn’s allies) were not brought in to the Maryland Board of Elections until the next day. On Wednesday at 5pm, observers saw a white moving truck pull up and deliver voting machines from several precincts in Wynn-favoring Prince George’s county, one of which the Edwards campaign heavily canvassed. Though memory cards were supposed to be taken out immediately after voting closed, these machines had their memory cards still in them. Though no one can yet prove that Wynn’s people tampered with the machines, the margin on those machines went for Wynn by around 65-35, which is out of line with the rest of the county. The rest of the county had it at 57 or so for Wynn. ~~~
thanks anyway, ‘preciated it
Does that mean that they have given up on winning? Or do they think McCain will be dead by then?
I’ve done the American River
nice
Well, at least we agree he’s a blank slate.
no matter if mccain wins or looses this election, he’s not going to run a second term, I don’t think he can.
I predict mitt no matter who wins this cycle
I do it everyday. Well, I walk beside it everyday. You can see it from my backyard. It is the only thing that keeps me here. I would rather be back in the bay area.
Mitt thinks he Dutch Reagan…..almost making it in 1976 only to rise from the ashes in 2012.
If he ends up president he’ll become an authoritarian monster because that is where his base is leading him.
-G
*sigh*
When Romney’s father was a possible GOP nominee, his religion was no issue. It shows that the fundies have ruined that political party. It needs to fade into history because there’s no one left to rebuild it into a decent entity.
That’s right. I remember now. You know Coloma Road and the river. I think we discussed that when my folks moved from Oklahoma to Sacto. and I was growing up along the American River, there was only one bridge across the river, and that was the old Fair Oaks Bridge. And that I was in the first graduating class from Cordova High. I was also in the first grad class from Mills Jr. High. Gee, it’s nice to know you Ms. Marymccurnin. Lahoma says hello. She knows Rancho too. ;0)
Is Mitt as dumb as he sounds when he gives a speech. Or does he dumb it down for the uber right?
Do you also live in the Sacto. area?
makes some sense to me
hey, if Hillary is elected, she can inoculate herself against an assassination by having Obama vice president, they would never want a black man as president
I think the same thing would be true if Obama is elected, they wouldn’t want Hillary so Obama has no assassination threat either
Sources: Gore won’t endorse
He’s not the cosponsor of a flag burning Senate bill. That door swings both ways. He also didn’t equivocate on torture. He also calls gays and lesbians his ‘brothers and sisters’ on the campaign trail.
-G
that was the deal they struck with him…drop out now ans we’ll anoint you in 2012…
oh yeah – I can live with that…
Yep Rs are a black shadow of their former respectable selves. Good thing I was never a R.
What a boob.
Bush acknowledges economic uncertainty
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..sh_economy
I get the feeling that Gore doesn’t much care for partisan politics anymore. Now, why would that be?
I’ll take a bottle of single malt and then vote as I please, but don’t tell anyone about that part — it’s a secret.
lived in the Bay Area
*re-sigh*
That’s great! Seeing your students come to understand something that they didn’t before is the greatest joy of teaching.
So will Obama…badly.
They both will. So would have Dodd, Edwards, Richardson……
Fuck ‘em.
That is all they have left is a few buckets of bile.
-G
Not even sure where to start with that, and gotta get a move on, but I disagree with your central premise that Obama is more “centrist” than Clinton. I’ve spent a good deal of time going through both of their “Issues” pages and feel Obama is much more Liberal than Clinton. Sure, there’s some comproise stuff in there, but there is some really really great stuff in there that’s I’ve never heard a Presidential candidate at this level talk about.
Did you hear his speech in Virginia after his massive wins this weekend? He gave many specifics and many of those details made this raging Liberal yell, “Hell yeah!”
I’ve seen all kinds of exit poll data so far, and much of his support is not from Repub crossover, and I see very little “pandering to them” by Obama.
“Uncertainty”??! We’re in a recession, and it’s going to get a lot worse.
I was born in Oklahoma. I live in Oklahoma. I am living in the cotton belt. Most of my family lives here. Does it follow I am an ignorant country bumpkin? I resent regionalism.
Don’t be afraid. Their sway is dwindling. Notice Lush Limpballz and friends couldn’t save the Romnutz campaign, in fact it ended shortly after they came out hard for The Tax Whisperer.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself and all that jazz. Onward and Upward Liberal Soldiers!
Oh, I agree. I don’t think any Dem candidate should be afraid of the right-wing smears, *if* they handle it correctly. My intent was to debunk the bogus notion that Obama would be attacked less vigorously than Clinton, and that is a reason to favor Obama for the nomination.
My take is that Hilary is quite a capable woman and very qualified to be POTUS but there is a caveat, she is too connected to what I feel is going on now and I cannot get over her vote for war and my fear that she is the same thing dressed in different pajamas and she is too polarizing, Barack is also qualified and there is not much difference between them, but he did not vote for a war they knew was bullshit, and no one can convince me otherwise and they both have to pay the man or they won’t be elected, I just think he will not be so divisive, and the chances of him actually listening to the body politic may be greater. Having said all that I am not happy with either of them and will not be until they answer the questions that matter.
I’ve really liked how he’s handled it so far. Over a year ago, he shut out Pox Newz after the false “madrassa” BS (just recently went back on for an interview). Continued to boycott them with debates. Defended himself marvelously with the flag lapel pin brouhaha. Gave Bill O’Loofah the cold shoulder even while Falafel boy was trying to bully him into an interview.
I haven’t seen other candidates treat the bullies this way before. This gives me much confidence for how Obama will handle any future smear campaigns.
let’s paray to whomever that we keep can keep our shit together amidst the insanity.
I just got a nice thank you letter from the Edwards campaign. That is nice, but wish they wouldn’t waste to postage on two-bit out of state contributers like me. I will chip in a few more bucks for Edwards.
We gotta win one of these primary things, and Edwards looks the best chance to just that real soon.
I’m confused — I thought that this was prima facietrue. Do you in fact believe that states like Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, etc. can be competetive for democrats? That would be surprising to me.
-MS