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		<title>By: Tominator</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/11/mccain-is-the-bastard-at-gops-family-renuinon/#comment-1266506</link>
		<dc:creator>Tominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t notice the “”&quot;” — my bad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only good thing is that they are now pretty well discredited. Diebold’s changed the name.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t notice the “”&quot;” — my bad. </p>
<p>Only good thing is that they are now pretty well discredited. Diebold’s changed the name.</p>
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		<title>By: RonThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Go chase yourself, Egregious. Nobody appointed you to monitor acceptable expression.&lt;br /&gt;
     Ann wrote “I think that’s reprehensible” that people hadn’t gone off topic to comment on Congressman Lantos’s passing, and went on to criticize all the other commentators by writing, “My guess is that people here don’t think that his death is worth mentioning, much less mourning, because they deemed him on the wrong side of some issues having to do with Jews. I think we really need to stop this type of behavior. It’s just not constructive.”&lt;br /&gt;
     I take exception to that–in fact, I take offense at that. And you’re just going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that I get to express my opinion, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go chase yourself, Egregious. Nobody appointed you to monitor acceptable expression.<br />
     Ann wrote “I think that’s reprehensible” that people hadn’t gone off topic to comment on Congressman Lantos’s passing, and went on to criticize all the other commentators by writing, “My guess is that people here don’t think that his death is worth mentioning, much less mourning, because they deemed him on the wrong side of some issues having to do with Jews. I think we really need to stop this type of behavior. It’s just not constructive.”<br />
     I take exception to that–in fact, I take offense at that. And you’re just going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that I get to express my opinion, too.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you noticed I put “won” in quotation marks. The American electoral system is broken. Using Diebold machines with closed source code is IMHO beyond stupid unless you’re out to game the system. Turning elections over to a private company who pushes a button on its server and presents its printout as the result is beyond insane. Supposedly Max Cleland, the former GA senator went into election day (according to the polls) 7% ahead of his opponent. After the votes were “counted” lo and behold his opponent won by 7%. I’m not a programmer but I know enough to know the result can be flipped by three lines of code. If a &gt; b then b=a a=b. a being the candidate who won; b being the candidate someone wanted to win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That may be why senate republicans so stubbornly support Bush. Many may be low lifes who owe their victory to cheating. It’s a problem that can impact November 2008.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you noticed I put “won” in quotation marks. The American electoral system is broken. Using Diebold machines with closed source code is IMHO beyond stupid unless you’re out to game the system. Turning elections over to a private company who pushes a button on its server and presents its printout as the result is beyond insane. Supposedly Max Cleland, the former GA senator went into election day (according to the polls) 7% ahead of his opponent. After the votes were “counted” lo and behold his opponent won by 7%. I’m not a programmer but I know enough to know the result can be flipped by three lines of code. If a &gt; b then b=a a=b. a being the candidate who won; b being the candidate someone wanted to win.</p>
<p>That may be why senate republicans so stubbornly support Bush. Many may be low lifes who owe their victory to cheating. It’s a problem that can impact November 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Tominator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pardon me but Bush DID NOT win a second term: they stole Ohio. I was there. I saw it. I’m still waiting for the provisionals to get counted. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the recount was fixed, remember? Two people WENT TO JAIL for fixing it; and so we never got a full recount? Remember? I know it didn’t get much attention outside of Ohio. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, No, Bush was not elected TWICE. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funny too, I heard a conservative interviewed on the BBC and he pointed out that Bush is most definitely NOT a conservative. When the reporter was credulous, he said “you’re confusing hawkishness with conservatism.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Zowie. Wish I could hear something this cogent on the US media.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me but Bush DID NOT win a second term: they stole Ohio. I was there. I saw it. I’m still waiting for the provisionals to get counted. </p>
<p>And the recount was fixed, remember? Two people WENT TO JAIL for fixing it; and so we never got a full recount? Remember? I know it didn’t get much attention outside of Ohio. </p>
<p>So, No, Bush was not elected TWICE. </p>
<p>Funny too, I heard a conservative interviewed on the BBC and he pointed out that Bush is most definitely NOT a conservative. When the reporter was credulous, he said “you’re confusing hawkishness with conservatism.” </p>
<p>Zowie. Wish I could hear something this cogent on the US media.</p>
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		<title>By: Tominator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What scares me is maybe the conservatives genuinely prefer Obama?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What scares me is maybe the conservatives genuinely prefer Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please be cautious about calling fellow commenters trolls.  We can respond to people being disruptive without calling them names or telling them where to go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be cautious about calling fellow commenters trolls.  We can respond to people being disruptive without calling them names or telling them where to go.</p>
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		<title>By: RonThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ann appeared to me to me to be a classic concern troll, upbraiding the commenters on a story about McCain because they did not comment on a breaking news event which had nothing to do with the topic of this discussion. It is not illegitimate for commenters to stick to the topic, and to refuse to use every chain as a forum for whatever off-topic news event engages their interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann appeared to me to me to be a classic concern troll, upbraiding the commenters on a story about McCain because they did not comment on a breaking news event which had nothing to do with the topic of this discussion. It is not illegitimate for commenters to stick to the topic, and to refuse to use every chain as a forum for whatever off-topic news event engages their interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Go chase yourself, Ann. This is a discussion of McCain, not Lantos.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a rule, OT is fairly cheerfully tolerated here at the Lake, especially for important breaking news.  Outright personal rudeness, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Go chase yourself, Ann. This is a discussion of McCain, not Lantos.</p>
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<p>As a rule, OT is fairly cheerfully tolerated here at the Lake, especially for important breaking news.  Outright personal rudeness, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crosstimbers at #60:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for letting me know that this is not the first mention of Lantos death, and that there were two other comments on the previous thread.  I’m glad it’s not being completely ignored.  Also, QuakerGirl did a nice comment in the new thread upstairs.  She is in Lantos district and knows more particulars about him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for myself, I’m going to go chase myself an RonThompson suggested, because I’m not really happy with the attitude of people like Thompson here lately.  They can’t concentrate on more than one thing at a time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosstimbers at #60:</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me know that this is not the first mention of Lantos death, and that there were two other comments on the previous thread.  I’m glad it’s not being completely ignored.  Also, QuakerGirl did a nice comment in the new thread upstairs.  She is in Lantos district and knows more particulars about him.</p>
<p>As for myself, I’m going to go chase myself an RonThompson suggested, because I’m not really happy with the attitude of people like Thompson here lately.  They can’t concentrate on more than one thing at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Carmen@16;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carmen@16;&lt;/a&gt; that aint NOTHIN’!  :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A few weeks ago, Coulter called Huck “this stretch-marked cornpone…” :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which, let’s be fair here, despite being unfair to people of good girth, has a certain cachet to it. :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    The problem the wingnuts have, is simply that there ARE no good republican candidates.  Chuck Hagel was the only possibility they had that gave me even a twinge of nervousness, and the very thing that would have lent him the most cred for a run; that is, his early bailing on the shitmire, he was crucified for by the GOP. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    So.  I look forward to having McCain publicly channelling the OTHER two “georges”, Patton and Custer, in the general.  :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    I think that, 2-3 months from now, “economics” as an issue, is going to be completely encompassed by Iraq.   And if we’ve got a candidate who can and will point to it, early and often, it’s gonna be the 8-ball in the side pocket, come November. :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:Carmen@16;" rel="nofollow">Carmen@16;</a> that aint NOTHIN’!  :o)</p>
<p>A few weeks ago, Coulter called Huck “this stretch-marked cornpone…” :o)</p>
<p>Which, let’s be fair here, despite being unfair to people of good girth, has a certain cachet to it. :o)</p>
<p>    The problem the wingnuts have, is simply that there ARE no good republican candidates.  Chuck Hagel was the only possibility they had that gave me even a twinge of nervousness, and the very thing that would have lent him the most cred for a run; that is, his early bailing on the shitmire, he was crucified for by the GOP. </p>
<p>    So.  I look forward to having McCain publicly channelling the OTHER two “georges”, Patton and Custer, in the general.  :o)</p>
<p>    I think that, 2-3 months from now, “economics” as an issue, is going to be completely encompassed by Iraq.   And if we’ve got a candidate who can and will point to it, early and often, it’s gonna be the 8-ball in the side pocket, come November. :o)</p>
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