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Love that Washington state gambit. No hanky panky there, no sireee.

Good morning Blue Texan, pups!

We’re gonna have some fun watching the Repubs fight this one out.
Freude, freude, Schadenfreude….

It’s a warm-up for the general.
West Coast, Schmest Coast.
Election declared at 10 pm EST

I don’t buy it. I think they’re trying to distance McCain from Bush and Repugs to make him more appealing to swing voters who are sick of Bush and Co.

Yo Blue Texan!

I wondered why I should be scared of Bush II when he stole his elections. I don’t wonder anymore. What do you think of the stories about the FBI and InstaGuard and contingency plans for martial law? Would hatred of McCain make it more likely? And I thought that since McCain has been on his knees for Bush for all of these years that he “earned” this spot.

They’ve been hating on McCain for years. Has it all been a big setup? Doubtful.

Damn, you would have thought a Saint would have done well in Louisiana.

We should be afraid of McCain.
There are plenty of people out there who buy into the straight talker,
maverick, moderate BS.
You can bet your bottom dollar the MSM will continue to describe him that way in each and every story they do on him.

Who’s been hating McCain? Anyway, it’s a moot point because who are they going to support in November? Clinton? My point is that they have nothing to lose by hating him. The Repugs hate all their choices this year.

It’s hard to understand why McCain can’t figure out how to talk to Huckabee to get him to quit. I saw Huckabee on tv this morning, saying that reports that he cannot win are untrue, and that his supporters deserve the chance to vote for him.

The wingnuts have always hated him. He’s their Lieberman.

They won’t vote for the Democrat, they’ll sit on their hands and pout.

Sad news…Tom Lantos died.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..bit_lantos

And yet his “straight talker” claim is EASILY proven to be bullshit with LOTS of objective facts illustrating exactly the opposite. Unfortunately, it would take a Democratic party capable of actually running that information.

They should actually start now before the Presidential nom is determined. There is no reason the party cannot begin chiseling away at the faux front of “straight talker” McCrazypants.

Yesterday our priest was talking about the presidential candidates and he referred to Hickabee. I think it was an honest mistake, but there were a lot of snickers.

Who is St. McCain’s base? The MSM is.

Now, come the fall, who will the MSM attempt to elect – the St. or the One?

Coming up on wnyc.org, Philip Shenon, investigative reporter at the New York Times, discusses his new book which he says details the shortcomings of the 9/11 commission. Brian Lehrer’s leadup suggested that some of it’s even jucier than the Zelikow role that’s already been made public.

Where did we come up with the “saint” thing regarding McCain? I missed that.

Exactly.

Again I ask, who is St. McCain’s base?

IMHO, the imperialists (neocons), the military-industrial complex, and the pants-pissing Villagers.

Someone please remind me why I’m supposed to be scared of this guy.

He has some very well-heeled, well-placed friends. But, I agree, this is the Democrats year, unless they blow it.

More to the point, I hope that this is the final throes of the Reagan coalition.

BlueTexan I LOVE the title of your post

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gotta wash off the keyboard!

”heh heh, I had Turdblossom tell folks he had an illeg…, an illegal…an illegitimate black baby when he was running agin’ me just to see him deny it, and he didn’t even do it. I should have had him say he’d been porking a pig”

Lets see. We have the world’s most powerful assholes people trying to tell us that they hate their potential nominee. What is wrong with this photoshopped picture.

McCain is a loser and he’s dumb as a fence post too.

I am sorry he was in in prison in Nam, but he deserved something for dropping bombs on them. A trial would have been more just. Torture of anyone is disgusting.

He is no war hero.

He is one of the Lincoln Savings and Loan louts.

And a suck up. Go away John and take your buddy Colin with ya.

Quit that bullshit. Everyone in the country is culpable for what happened in the war unless they stopped paying their taxes and went to jail.

I really think we make a mistake if we attack his military record and service. Most people respect that, and we lose credibility with them if we attack that. I certainly considered the Swiftboat people as a bunch of slimy worhless leeches. Any voters who would be converted to the Democratic side by that sort of campaign aren’t worth having.

If McCain craters like Fred and the other quasi annointed, our masters may be forced to back a corporatist Dem or back a slob like Huckabee in a landslide for the Dems that even they can’t cheat to success. Perverse but not impossible: as Gore Vidal has pointed out, it’s two parties in name only, so if the thug base really won’t buy “Maverick”, maybe the bosses have to go with their prepurchased second string, Obama. It is odd that the the fundies really think that they are going to get a voice in this. Assholes. McCain is as good as they get if they actually want to win.

Okay. I’m going to go ahead and support either the second or third string,as I understand it, of the running dogs of capitalism.

as a human being I’ll take him any day over the Clintons. I agree he is a waste as a Senator.

I am all for hitting McCain with the kitchen sink, but his time as a POW aint in the sink.

He’s a far right wing warmonger with a bad attitude and a superiority complex.

He’ll put us in further debt and will usher in more wars and will appoint Alito clones to the SC.

-G

Good pointer in a letter for Glenn Greenwald at Salon. A poster put up this link:

When anti-war voters back a pro-war candidate

Goes into the seemingly contradictory situation that independents and GOPers who are opposed to Bush’s war in Iraq are actually among the strongest supporters of McCain. It makes the point that the Dems need to understand the deal here or they may make a BIG mistake (again).

Conventional wisdom has it that once a candidate has his party’s nomination sewn up,he starts running towards the middle. McCain has to start running to the right in order to appease the base, which will cost him greatly in November. The more he has to make his “why I’m a Republican” speeches, the better for the Dems. It’s no so much even that every Republican position is abhorrent to voters, it’s more that it blows a hole in his image as the party outsider who’s only allegiance is to “straight talk” with the voters.

I just hope all of those Obama supporters threatening to vote for McCain are paying attention to the stuff McCain is saying.

GeorgeSimian February 11th, 2008 at 7:16 am
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In response to Blue Texan @ 8
Who’s been hating McCain? Anyway, it’s a moot point because who are they going to support in November? Clinton? My point is that they have nothing to lose by hating him. The Repugs hate all their choices this year.
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an orgasm of hate for the party that loves to hate …….

Freude, freude, Schadenfreude….

Sung to the stirring signature melody of the 4th movement of Beethoven’s 9th, I presume?

Hey! As a reunited adoptee, I was the bastard at the family reunion when I attended my birthfather’s funeral! I am NOT partial to being associated with McCain! Ha-RUMPH!

My biggest concern about McCain is that he gives the fence sitter who may be skittish for voting Democratic, let alone for woman or a minority candidate, an out. IMHO anyone who has those kind of hangups will put their fear above all issues because they haven’t faced up to them in their own life.

Egggsacktly.

Look at seemingly innocuous things like Yahoo’s “PC or Mac? Which do the candidates choose?” sidebar ads that show only McCain — never Clinton or Obama (or Huckabee for that matter). They’re subtly trying to push the idea that McCain’s the only choice.

I know what I’ll be humming today!

I notice that Washington goopers are continuing with the count. With 93% “counted” the huckster is within 1% of McNuts. The results have 12% uncommitted I can only assume that the other 88% was committed right after voting and if they were not they should have been

OT
Pentagon Briefing on detainees — CSPAN 1 right now.

I’m thinking Huckabee is doing well for the same reason Obama is. It’s like believing in America again. Rags to riches, anyone can become president, all the stuff we were taught as kids.

Class warfare too.

Ah, but were you the redheaded one? ;-)

Maybe the best strategy in November is to vote for an R — on the basis of, look what happened to poor H. Hoover through no fault of his own (initially).

Would you really want the D legacy to be: “We voted her in and a few months later, the shit hit the fan, and such an historical legacy has never before been seen!”

There was an article in yesterday’s LA Times by Jacob Weisberg about how George W. Bush torpedoed Jeb’s presidential hopes ahd sank the family’s political dynasty. To keep that from being the only good that will come out of his Administration, perhaps Bush can now torpedo McCain.

i noticed that.

George the Jonah, and i din’t mean “the doughy pantload”…..

LOL. I’ve wondered if the elder Bushes named one of their sons as executor of their will(s and, if so, which one. I have a feeling it wouldn’t be George.

In light of McCain’s failure this weekend, I’m aware of republicans in Texas who are scrambling to figure out the primary participation rules so they can vote for Obama because they are realizing it may just be their best chance to keep her out of the WH. It’s an anti-Hillary vote, obviously, but the Bush crowd is funny with her that way. The Texas primary is open as long as you’re a registered voter so expect a few interlopers. If McCain looked stronger, one could expect the opposite effect.

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Greg, you couldn’t be more wrong about McCain being a Right-Winger, he is no friend of true conservatives. As a conservative myself, I will not be voting for him, but this doesn’t mean I am going to be voting for Hillary or Obama. Most conservatives will probably vote the same way I will, we won’t skip the election as many think. We will vote because there will be value to keep our minorities in congress. That will be the one thing of value in this election by keeping the liberals relatively venomless.

The problem with McCain is he will cross over too much to get things done as president. Unfortunately the Republicans will be forced to stand with him out of loyalty. This will piss conservatives off even more and the congress will take a hit in the next election cycle.

In general, this election sucks from a conservative standpoint. Another time it appears we all have to pick the worst of two evils when the General Election rolls around.

I look at this from a slightly different perspective.

McCain presents himself Mr. Maverick, a straight-talking candidate whose persona is that he bucks the established Republican trend.

What better thing for him – in a general election where he has to appeal to the whole of ‘murca, rather than just the Republican base – than to have been booed and abused by that Republican base? With that negative reaction to show he is a “real” “change” from the devastating policies of the Bush years (which ‘murcans desperately want to be rid of), McCain can go to the general election electorate and say “I’m for change, which is why the far-right wackos who run the Republican base – the ones at fault for all the policies you hate – hate me.”

It’s subtle, but not bad for him. After all, where do the lunatic fringe running the Republican party have to go, other than to vote for the Republican? Stay home?

And, if he loses, he wasn’t (a) conservative enough and (b) had his chance and can now be disposed of.

The Republican swiftboating of McCain will be sufficient for now, best
to let him frame himself, with Junya’s help, as the war candidate. There
is enough bitterness about him on that side to do the trick while our
candidates can frame the election their own way. With Bush and Rove
helping McCain be BushIII, why should we bother, let them stew in it.

Love the photo. Evocative of Nelson Buntz finally finding his long lost father and murmuring “Pappa”

From an American perspective the conservative standpoint sucks.

Hi, BT. Good post.

There have been 45 comments made on this thread as I start this comment and so far only one delivering the news that Tom Lantos, the only holocaust survivor ever to serve in Congress, and the Chairman of the Foreign Relations committee, has died. I think that’s reprehensible. He may not have moved in lockstep with us on the left in every aspect of legislation, but he was one of our own. He was with us on many issues and championed civil rights and human rights issues. He was also moving away from his original position on the Iraq war. He objected to the surge and gave voice to the fact that the war in Iraq was about oil. I remember that last summer he gave a stirring speech which got my attention, and I very much admired his ability as an orator. My guess is that people here don’t think that his death is worth mentioning, much less mourning, because they deemed him on the wrong side of some issues having to do with Jews. I think we really need to stop this type of behavior. It’s just not constructive. I, for one, regret the loss of a great American leader.

Kurt,

Would you say that Bush is a true conservative? He says that McCain is a conservative. Which candidate would you say is the best representative of the true conservatives (including the ones who have already dropped out).

Ok you’re a conservative, you’re not voting for McCain, Hillary or Obama, but you are voting for? You writing in Ron Paul? Nader? Yourself?

Progressives forget George Bush “won” a second term. His 30% approval rating means quite a few people approve of him, the surge, remaining in Iraq. With 70% supposedly disapproving, we should be on the cusp of a record landslide.

As the old saying goes, you don’t lose if you don’t give up. Many voters faced with an American defeat, the waste of all those lives and resources may prefer to wrap themselves in a flag and opt for another go round. Don’t underestimate the power of the flag. It’s too soon for congratulations.

Ok!

Go chase yourself, Ann. This is a discussion of McCain, not Lantos.

There were some comments on Rep. Lantos’ death in the prior post. I told my wife and she said that the information had been on C-Span for some time. I personally thought very well of Mr. Lantos and am very sorry for his passing. Although I do not live in California, I was almost always proud to hear him speak for my point of view, and I wish not only that he were still with us, but that there were more of him.

BlueTex; thanks! I think we’re gonna get a little mileage out of that photograph, in the general. :o) :o) :o)

Good question, not too sure. Will probably look at who the Independent candidate it, or look at one of the other parties. My focus will be on the local/congressional races.

In response to fahrender, No Bush is not a true conservative, he is a party loyalist (Republican of course). That is the main reason why he is now backing McCain for president. You can bet they have little else in common as McCain has been at odds with Bush on many things.

Carmen@16; that aint NOTHIN’! :o)

A few weeks ago, Coulter called Huck “this stretch-marked cornpone…” :o)

Which, let’s be fair here, despite being unfair to people of good girth, has a certain cachet to it. :o)

The problem the wingnuts have, is simply that there ARE no good republican candidates. Chuck Hagel was the only possibility they had that gave me even a twinge of nervousness, and the very thing that would have lent him the most cred for a run; that is, his early bailing on the shitmire, he was crucified for by the GOP.

So. I look forward to having McCain publicly channelling the OTHER two “georges”, Patton and Custer, in the general. :o)

I think that, 2-3 months from now, “economics” as an issue, is going to be completely encompassed by Iraq. And if we’ve got a candidate who can and will point to it, early and often, it’s gonna be the 8-ball in the side pocket, come November. :o)

Crosstimbers at #60:

Thanks for letting me know that this is not the first mention of Lantos death, and that there were two other comments on the previous thread. I’m glad it’s not being completely ignored. Also, QuakerGirl did a nice comment in the new thread upstairs. She is in Lantos district and knows more particulars about him.

As for myself, I’m going to go chase myself an RonThompson suggested, because I’m not really happy with the attitude of people like Thompson here lately. They can’t concentrate on more than one thing at a time.

Go chase yourself, Ann. This is a discussion of McCain, not Lantos.

As a rule, OT is fairly cheerfully tolerated here at the Lake, especially for important breaking news. Outright personal rudeness, not so much.

Ann appeared to me to me to be a classic concern troll, upbraiding the commenters on a story about McCain because they did not comment on a breaking news event which had nothing to do with the topic of this discussion. It is not illegitimate for commenters to stick to the topic, and to refuse to use every chain as a forum for whatever off-topic news event engages their interest.

Please be cautious about calling fellow commenters trolls. We can respond to people being disruptive without calling them names or telling them where to go.

What scares me is maybe the conservatives genuinely prefer Obama?

Pardon me but Bush DID NOT win a second term: they stole Ohio. I was there. I saw it. I’m still waiting for the provisionals to get counted.

And the recount was fixed, remember? Two people WENT TO JAIL for fixing it; and so we never got a full recount? Remember? I know it didn’t get much attention outside of Ohio.

So, No, Bush was not elected TWICE.

Funny too, I heard a conservative interviewed on the BBC and he pointed out that Bush is most definitely NOT a conservative. When the reporter was credulous, he said “you’re confusing hawkishness with conservatism.”

Zowie. Wish I could hear something this cogent on the US media.

If you noticed I put “won” in quotation marks. The American electoral system is broken. Using Diebold machines with closed source code is IMHO beyond stupid unless you’re out to game the system. Turning elections over to a private company who pushes a button on its server and presents its printout as the result is beyond insane. Supposedly Max Cleland, the former GA senator went into election day (according to the polls) 7% ahead of his opponent. After the votes were “counted” lo and behold his opponent won by 7%. I’m not a programmer but I know enough to know the result can be flipped by three lines of code. If a > b then b=a a=b. a being the candidate who won; b being the candidate someone wanted to win.

That may be why senate republicans so stubbornly support Bush. Many may be low lifes who owe their victory to cheating. It’s a problem that can impact November 2008.

Go chase yourself, Egregious. Nobody appointed you to monitor acceptable expression.
Ann wrote “I think that’s reprehensible” that people hadn’t gone off topic to comment on Congressman Lantos’s passing, and went on to criticize all the other commentators by writing, “My guess is that people here don’t think that his death is worth mentioning, much less mourning, because they deemed him on the wrong side of some issues having to do with Jews. I think we really need to stop this type of behavior. It’s just not constructive.”
I take exception to that–in fact, I take offense at that. And you’re just going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that I get to express my opinion, too.

I didn’t notice the “”"” — my bad.

Only good thing is that they are now pretty well discredited. Diebold’s changed the name.