Looks like Holy Joe is slithering toward the helmet hair and polyester confab known as the Republican National Convention.
Sneak preview offered in this YouTube — expect the words "the conscience of the Democratic Party" to be uttered more than once.
Meanwhile, let me fully endorse this counterprogramming note from Spencer Ackerman, who recalls Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s appearance at the 1984 Republican National Convention:
On Aug. 20, 1984, Kirkpatrick, the arch anti-communist who served as Ronald Reagan’s ambassador to the United Nations, took the microphone at the GOP convention in Dallas and inaugurated a tradition. Kirkpatrick was, she told her audience, a "lifelong Democrat." The trouble, she had come to realize, was that she was also an American. So in an electrifying speech that was at turns vitriolic and sentimental, she implied very strongly that you couldn’t really be both.
When the San Francisco Democrats treat foreign affairs as an afterthought, as they did, they behaved less like a dove or a hawk than like an ostrich — convinced it would shut out the world by hiding its head in the sand. … They said that saving Grenada from terror and totalitarianism was the wrong thing to do — they didn’t blame Cuba or the communists for threatening American students and murdering Grenadians — they blamed the United States instead. But then, somehow, they always blame America first.
And on and on in that vein. In one brief speech, Kirkpatrick introduced the world to the phrases "Blame America First" and "San Francisco Democrat"—well understood to mean "Faggot." Subtly, "San Francisco Democrat" had another purpose: it differentiated the alleged radicals in San Francisco from the salt-of-the-earth, America-loving Democrats that could now safely vote for Ronald Reagan.
It was demagogic, incendiary, and ugly. And it was also a masterstroke. The conversion narrative has been a staple in the rise of the New Right since it was new: After all, Reagan himself famously said he never left the Democratic Party, the party left him. But by connecting that sentiment to national security, Kirkpatrick gave her grievance myth a sense of world-historical importance, all before the television cameras. It was a template repeated, among other places, at the 2004 GOP convention by a rabid Zell Miller. Expect Kirkpatrick’s bile to be recycled by Joe Lieberman this summer in Minneapolis.
But as Spencer notes, Democrats now have within their ranks a superb antidote in the person of one Jim Webb:
Webb can top it all. He can start out with his family’s extremely long history of military service, stretching back countless generations through to Webb’s son, a Marine veteran of Fallujah. The Webbs serve when called—but the contract of service is for the country never to call upon men to give their lives in a futile, unnecessary cause. After Vietnam, Webb can say, he became a Republican because the GOP seemed to understand that—and because they also understood that there are certain things that are worth fighting for when viewed through clear, dispassionate eyes.
But somewhere along the line the GOP lost its way. His campaign for Senate in 2006 was predicated on the idea, at least implicitly. As much as he continued to resent John Kerry’s outspoken anti-war advocacy in the 1970s, he could nevertheless understand that, this time around, the greater enemy wasn’t overzealous opposition to a disastrous war, but the disastrous war itself. And the source of that disaster is in a militarism gone out of control, unmoored from any intelligence conception of the national interest, cheapened by its condescending view of soldiers as mere tools of foreign policy or else as political wedge issues, and indicative of a broader corruption at the heart of an exhausted GOP.
Really, Webb has it within him to drive a stake through the heart of the GOP.
The Republicans are welcome to the flaccid, stale, Bush-groping Lieberman banging on about "bipartisanship" and teh awesomeness of the surge.
I think we’ve got the man who can get the job done.



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‘allo?
close… – ‘alloo anyway – to Jane and all…
I could see it go wrong, however, if Webb and the Dems play it as “we’re just as tough as the Republicans”, rather than, “we’re not insane warmongering lunatics like the Republicans”.
Just give him the boot over to the losers!
What the fuck was Al Gore ever thinking anyway?
Damn all those San Francisco Democrats!! It is all their fault, whatever fault it is, it is theirs!!!
Al is not my hero. He didn’t stand up for himself or the country when he should have.
McCain and Lieberman, the Pariah Twins.
-G
Seeing as Pelosi is a San Francisco Democrat, they don’t impress me that much these days.
Joe=Zell=(fill in the blank)
My lady and I find Mr. Lieberman to be the most distasteful politician on the scene. We hold him in far more contempt that either GWB, or for that matter, Dick Cheney. And that’s saying a lot when you consider our feelings toward the prez and his “assistant”.
Good point.
I think we need Web in the Senate. How about Obama/Schweitzer? We could pick off a few mountain states.
And they call . . . McCain . . . Pariah . . .
I’d very much like to see an expose on the derivations of Mr. Lieberman’s campaign financing.
When I moved to San Francisco in 1974 I was surprised to find how conservative the dems were. The gay revolution was just starting but I believe that the moneyed people are still conservative dems.
Nice…..The rain is Tess, the Liar Joe, but they call McCain Pariah.
-G
Short Ride is going to the GOP convention? figures.
Showing his true stripes
I just want people to know that I’m aware this is porn, but I Just. Can’t. Help. Myself.
My name is Jane, and I’m an addict.
Miz Pelosi’s taking impeachment off the table could be construed that way…
Is Mr. Lieberman allowed to caucus with the Democrats?
from first link:
~~Echoing a sentiment of a number Democrats in the state, Bonsal said she is worried about Lieberman leaving his Senate seat to become McCain’s running mate or take a position in the Arizona Republican’s cabinet if he wins the general election. Gov. M. Jodi Rell, a Republican, would get to choose Lieberman’s replacement, possibly threatening Democrats’ fragile one-vote majority in the Senate.~~~
Uh, time to get a few more real Dems elected to the Senate, eh? (and never mind about the details above in quote)
I guess most regular pups know how I feel about Webb so maybe I just need to stfu.
I think that Al and Bob should drive the float to MN and leave it parked outside the convention center. The loony repigs can use it as a religious icon.
Lieberman for Webb? I like that trade. A lot.
The dates of the conventions make this interesting as well.
Dems: Aug 25-28
GOP: Sept 1-4
Webb’s already done a rebuttal speech – the 2007 SOTU Democratic response. I’d love to see him give a speech that forced the GOP to respond to him.
Somehow, in a rhetorical battle, I can’t quite imagine Short Ride Joe doing too well when up against Webb.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Wait . . . it just got worse . . .
Away out there
They’ve got a name
For spinmeister and liar
Spinmeister’s Rove
The liar’s Bush
And they call . . . McCain . . . Pariah . . . . .
Okay. I’m not a well woman. Deal.
lieberporn?
Hi Jane!
porn indeed. Joe has become a mere caricature of himself. He is getting what he deserves.
Pathetic.
To be sure, Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). In the early 1970s, this small organization — never more than 7,000 veterans out of a potential pool of 9 million — became the darling of the anti-war movement and the liberal media. Its activities went far beyond simply criticizing the politics of the war to repeatedly and dishonestly misrepresenting the service of Vietnam veterans and the positive feelings most felt after serving.
Kerry and his VVAW compatriots portrayed their fellow veterans as unwilling soldiers, morally debased and haunted by their service. While this might have fit a small minority, the most accurate survey, done by the Harris Poll in 1980, showed that 91% of those who went to Vietnam were ”glad they served their country,” 74% ”enjoyed their time in the military” and 89% agreed with the statement that ”our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let them win.”
Kerry’s own comments were filled with hyperbolic exaggerations that sought to make egregious acts seem commonplace. During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in 1971, he testified that fellow veterans had routinely ”raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan.” With those words, he defamed a generation of honorable men. No matter how he spins it today, at a minimum, he owes them a full and complete apology.
The view that Kerry remained on the ”wrong side” of the war was compounded by his failure to consult with leaders of America’s million-plus Vietnamese community while playing a dominant role in the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam during the early 1990s. Many Vietnamese-Americans believe Kerry has been an apologist for the Hanoi government on such key issues as human rights. Kerry personally has bottled up the Vietnamese Human Rights Act, which twice passed the House by wide majorities, so that it cannot even be debated on the Senate floor.
You seem fine to me.
People, I live in suburban Minneapolis. Please! Save us from this infestation!!
Jeanne Kirkpatrick and Ed Muskie, long forgotten travelers to South Vietnam in 1967 on behalf of LBJ to sanctify the election of Ky in South Vietnam. They declared it a democratic election when Ky’s opposition had been incarcerated in tiger cages.
Kirkpatrick is not worthy of comment.
33 is Jim Webb
GOP = tired old failed policies of the 20th Century anyone?
Now if we could just get Clint Eastwood to sing it….
I am framing your note for my friends and family to see!!! Thanks.
What do the Repugs think of Lieberman? Has he not burned all bridges at both ends?
2 points:
The organizing resolutions of this 110th senate named the committee chairs by name. Nuthin’s gonna change even if he jumps.
What difference does it make with Hapless Harry running the democracy into the ground anyway. It isn’t as if a dozen or so dems act (or vote) like dems anyway, is it?
The only cure is Better Democrats. Lots of them I agree with Howie—we don’t need any more liebercrats.
I was wondering about that. It certainly didn’t sound like you . . . *g*
link, please?
Garlic around the neck?
You haven;t lived until you’ve put up with the R convention in NYC in 04.
Lieberman headed for trash heap of history.
Repugs think
Come on!
Make my convention!
Know what? This is really funny. And I think I smell (!) a potential cottage industry.
OT
‘Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) announced Monday that he would not seek reelection’
http://thehill.com/leading-the…..02-11.html
As always, and as I have said may times before, my contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
Lahoma has been reading the posts and comments here for the last couple of hours. She has just sent me an email and it reads: “Kiddo, I have finally found out who you and me are. I think we are progressive country bumpkins.”
Ugh. “Tucker” is on – with guest host -> “Tucker”!
When’s Shuster’s suspension over? I figure that if nothing else, if a man is gonna be suspended, he oughtta be able to earn it.
I have a few suggestions for Mr. Shuster for the next time he’s forced to endure a stint on “Morning Joe”…
(there *is* some possibility, however, that if these suggestions were followed, the ’suspension’ might not be temporary…)
At least you didn’t show your usual photo of him holding the dog in the red coat.
That’s too bad.
Repub John Shadegg is retiring now too. Have we hit 30 Repub retirees from Congress? Must be close. There’s going to be a lot of unhappy families now that these a-holes are going to spend more time with them.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..o_reti.php
RevDeb- agree completely- I just didn’t want to get into all that mess that was quoted in the article. I know you understand!
29 and counting . . . . the more the merrier.
Pups, forgive me. I am a wild child this afternoon. David had CT scan today (the first after first round of chemo), followed by an infusion of yet another chemical to help keep his bones strong, all in preparation for next round of chemo. No word on scan until next week. I’ll behave now. Soon. Maybe.
I’ve never minded calling myself a “dumb ol’ country boy” as I figure that anyone who actually believes that, then I’ve pwn’d them big time.
On CSPAN I saw John Dean speaking at a dem club in Malibu a few weeks back. We was saying that the republics have gone so far to the right that he is now left of center even though his views haven’t changed whatsoever.
Keep your men folk away from public restrooms that the Repubs will be visiting.
Last I heard it was 28. So he’s at least 29.
Hip hip Hooray.
Yep.
We need to educate our own people about the facts. Holy Joe converts and NOTHING CHANGES. period. People, please, stop getting the vapors.
Joe Lieberman is a fuckhead. There. I feel better now.
{{{{{{{{{{{Barbara & Dave}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Progressive, yes! Country bumpkins, no! ;-)
“I think we need Web in the Senate. How about Obama/Schweitzer? We could pick off a few mountain states.”
How about Obama/Wes Clark? That would help insulate Obama (1) against claims of being naive & inexperienced on Military affairs, and (2) White Males, who will never admit it in public but in the privacy of a voting booth might find reasons otherwise not to vote for Obama.
Bob in HI
I wonder how many will make a detour to the newest historical monument in the airport… tap, tap, tap…
“.The rain is Tess, the Liar Joe, but they call McCain Pariah.”
Geez, are you subbing for Punaise? Good one!
Bob in HI
I think bumpkins are nice. They work, pay taxes and vote and all that other stuff that their betters do.
I would not be surprised to see the National Guard called up to provide security for the GOP convention, but Blackwater used for security at the Dem convention.
I’m all over the place today re; subject matter, but tell me again why we need to send so much money/military aid to Israel?
‘President Bush’s FY2009 budget request for $2.55 billion in military aid to Israel’
RevDeb- thanks! well put.
Let’s focus on getting rid of some R Senators- Like “SusieQ”, as she is called over at Turn Maine Blue. (Lieberman pal Susan Collins)
She has an attack ad against Tom Allen, which is as nasty as they come.
http://www.turnmaineblue.com/s…..iaryId=796
That motherf69king slimeball-the first thought and highly intellectual.
Just getting here and perusing the day’s diaries. Read the one about Donna Edwards but not the comments. Does she have any money left for street money?
Decided to drop back and pun today.
-G
I’d go with bumptious (rowdy) country progressives. Bumpkins? NOWAY. Silly girl, Lahoma.
FunnyD
I knew a PhD from southern Alabama that would strategically play that up hard in certain situations. Really gave him a huge advantage in conversations, and was quite comical to watch, as people. who were looking down on him, didn’t realize how much he had just embarrassed them.
It’s fun to knock egotistical bastards down a rung or two, especially when they don’t even realize it’s happening!
It’s been a mighty long quorum call in the Senate, as they are debating FISA…
Hoping for the best. My mom just had another chemo treatment today. She’s doing very well with it.
-G
I don’t think there’re enough Guard troops available to call up for the R convention. Besides, Blackwater would fit right in there.
You do not put quotes around “routinely”. Why is that? Did Kerry actually use that word in the referenced testimony?
Thanks, RevDeb!! I come to FDL to help preserve my sanity. Which tells you a lot about how insane the world beyond this community really is.
I think he’s # 29.
The GOP strategy on the way out the door is slash and burn and cut and run and leave a smouldering shitpile.
Thanks dickheads.
-G
Give my best to Dave.. he is going to need it. And you need to be strong for him, he needs your support. I will be thinking of both of you!!
Oh, I’m sorry she’s having to do it, but good on her!! And you, too. She’s lucky to have you in her corner.
Oh, hon, you be as wild as you need to be (as long as you leave the flamethrower in the garage…).
My very best wishes to you and David. Hang in there.
FunnyD
Thanks so much. I don’t cork off about this here very often, and didn’t intend to today. All y’all are the best. (South Minneapolis, remember?)
That’s fine. We can take care of it with More and Better, emphasis on Better.
I’m always throwin my doctorate around to embarrass people :)
Wow. Thanks. I leave the flamethrowing to Norske.
That’s great news! Having lived in Arizona for 17 years, fighting against loony Republicans was a full-time job.
Bob in HI
Can’t wait to hear Lieberman’s twist on Reagan’s speech. “I didn’t leave the Democratic party! The Democratic party kicked my Republican-appeasing, self-righteous ass to the curb! And then I formed my own party! And it left me! Or something!”
If they want him, they can have him.
My “country bumpkin” comment was directed toward a commenter. It was a steamed reaction to a comment. I souldn’t have uttered it. And I am sorry for doing it. My lady was pissed-off at that commenter too. And when she becomes angry at someone, I get extremely mad at the person too.
You have to get it out sometimes, if you don’t it will consume you… Againg best of luck and you to Greg for your mom.
Would there not be an election to finish off what remains of Joe-Lies rather extensive term…with one likely Democratic candidate being the the one that Lieberman lost to in the last Democratic Primary.
But I don’t think he’s gonna get elected…since McCain won’t. Besides, the argument assumes that the Democrats are not going to pick up additional Senate seats. That better happen bvecause there will be at least one Senator that will be lost by moving into the WH. I fully expect their replacements to be Democrats, though.
Sideline! Does anyone know if Ahnold would have the audacity to appoint a Republican to replace Tom Lantos?
The PCB caucus.
-G
Which one? I think that Webb used pieces of his testimony but, like many others, Kerry’s remarks require that you read or hear the entire speech. He said that when he was in Detroit for Winter Soldier other vets said. . .
Webb and the Swiftboaters always leave that out.
IIRC It was Liarman who LOST the dem primary. He voluntarily left the party to save his ass by starting another party.
Isn’t it amazing where you can find snobbery? Troubles me.
That’s cute. kiddo likes it too.
L.
If he does it will be recall time for him, never did like him anyway.
Does anyone know if Ahnold would have the audacity to appoint a Republican to replace Tom Lantos?
It wouldn’t surprise me. Although, he’s not released any kind of statement about Lantos passing as of yet.
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations
April 23, 1971
I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit – the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.
They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Hang in there Barbara and best wishes to Dave.
Lieberman please just go to live in Israel where your heart is.
Connecticut has one of the best and one of the worst senators.
Kiddo you and Lahoma are terrific… wherever you are!
If I remember correctly there would have to be a special election.
It’s one of the reasons I wanted to get a doctorate. Sort of helps demystify the whole deal when a high school dropout can beat their system.
Best to you from the heart.
Does NY or IL have a special election if one of them wins the pres? Is the party or the Blue America planning anything now?
Ah. I hope it wasn’t a regular commenter. ‘Course you get steamed when your lady is offended…you’re a gentleman (who happens to have found the good life in the country).
Don’t let the TurkeyTrolls get to ya Ms Lahoma. We regulars know how classy you truly are, and that that kind of class has nothing to do with rural vs urban living.
FunnyD
Hey Kiddo & Lahoma,
I kind of like “country bumpkins.” I am one. (g)
Just popping in with a quick lurk. Holy Joe is shades of Zell. I think I’ve seen this B-rate movie before.
I don’t think Congressional seats get appointed. They usually have an election to fill them.
Senate seats are the ones that get appointed because of the 6 year terms.
-G
Sendin out love to the homa homies.
Yep. And just because someone is uneducated doesn’t mean they are stupid. At least that’s been my experience.
I hope so his district is heavily Democrat and that sure would piss them off if Arnold tried to pull something like that…
Twain, Not being from CA (anymore) I sure don’t know, but if special election, wouldn’t Jackie Speier be the obvious front-runner? Not to mention the next House Repres. (Nov) in the district?
Absolutely. I think the Repubs will put up a token candidate and punt. She is widely loved and respected.
Damn right! When Christy asked what brought us to activism on Saturday I recounted that being in the Army in the 60’s introduced me to GREAT people who got stuck in the bullshit because of a lack of education while the “best and the brightest” skated.
Yessie, and vice versa is also true.
Been there done that, but I ended up enlisting to get an electronics school and that landed me in Germany… luck of the draw..better than red meat for the army..
When the Dukester was sent to Prison we had a special election. I guess one could assume that is the proper procedure to replace a congressman who passed as well.
Cin- as things now stand, CT Gov. Jodi Rell (R) appoints replacement if they lose Lieberman. But, I can’t remember if in CT, can be both Senator, and running for VP. States differ… oh, wait, I think Lieberman kept his Senate seat when he ran as VP w/ Gore.
1,754 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Really Webb has it in him to drive a stake through the heart of the GOP…I think we’ve got the man that will get the job done.”
But will he be willin’ ta do it…and if Mrs. Clinton is the nominee do ya really think there will be a partisan Democratic Party convention with direct attacks on the corporate fascists? Let’s look at what the last few weeks have uncovered for us out here in the democratic wing of the Democratic Party: 1.)DLC-corporatist-Clintonistas rammin’ telecom immunity thru the Senate 2.)former Democratic President usin’ racist code ta pull votes away from a black candidate 3.) Corporatist Democratic candidate for president tryin’ ta make millions for Rupert Murdock by callin’ out her Democratic opponent into a debate on Fox in a quid pro quo for a $4million donation to her husband’s library 4.) Clintonistas Stenny Hoyer and Rahm Emmanuel pourin’ hundreds of thousands into corrupt fake Democrats in Illinois and Maryland
Now, there will only be a muscular and PARTISAN Democratic Convention with folks like Webb forced ta stand up if Howard Dean is still in control of the convention come August…that’s what this last brouhaha over Florida and Michigan amounts to, a final attack on Dean’s control of the Democratic Party by the folks who have been tryin’ ta in vitro inseminate a new Republican Party into body of the party of FDR.
There won’t be a muscular, partisan Democratic Party convention unless we put a stake thru the heart of the Clintons before August.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION UNLESS YER GUNNA USE IT YERSELF!!
You no doubt mean “officers and gentlemen”. They don’t dig the ditches, do they?
It would certainly have to be a quick one with only 9 months left (yahoo) until the election. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Please stay here and never leave!
Er…welcome, barbara. ;)
F*ck Joe-Lie…But I will welcome him to Minneapolis for the Rethug Convention, and will even recruit a hapless volunteer to give him a personal tour of that men’s bathroom off Northern Crossing at the Minneapolis-St.Paul (MSP) International Airport.
yup
Did you get my message?
Yes definitely intesting. It would be a mob riot if the gropinator decided to try anything out of the norm.
After all he is a kissing kind of guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op2ScdxyQQM
HugO to you. A weird turn of events when painful politics is a relief of sorts. Okay. That is SO not true. These are the times that try women’s and men’s souls. Stir constantly. The Republican recipe for discord.
And this idiot Howard Fineman is always on MSNBC spewing really dull exhaustive cliches…
And MSNBC keeps playing the clip with Chimpy telling Chris Wallace that McCain is a true conservative. Jeb Bush also endorsed McCain earlier today…
From what I have heard about Jackie Speier, she is like totally, totally awesome! (pardon the Valley Girl speak). And, have no problem going toe-to-toe with Ms. Pelosi.
You’re lovely! Or handsome. Kind, whichever. Yeah, even with “motherf69king slimeball.” Couldn’t agree more! *g*
I’m gonna save this one for sure!! Thanks.
I hope Karma takes his whole ass off when it bites him.
The way that guy speaks makes me want to give him a karate chop to the larynx (only figuratively, of course). What a pompous blowhard.
Good point. Who’s thinking of running in either NY or IL?
(((Barbara and Dave)))
the heart of a lion. Ms. Pelosi won’t stampede her.
Hmmm. Good Q. Hadn’t thought that far ahead. Don’t think Spitzer wants to give up gov for sen, besides he badly miscalculated in his early moves & polls are low.
Of course, there’s always Bloomberg (D-R-I, NY) who’ll run for any office he can buy.
I keep hearing this clip of McCain over and over on MSNBC today of him saying, “The only reason the GOP lost the election in 2006 was because of out of control spending.”
I’m so tired of Holy Joe and whatever he has to say or do….
He turned his back on his own party for his own personal political gain…
I rue the day I voted for Gore because this jerk was on the ticket…
wonder if they will pop all of the “D” keys off of the computers.
CT is one of the states where a person can be on the ballot twice. Short Ride was on the ballot as Gore’s VP AND the Senate. Since he “lost” the VP due to the SCOTUS ruling, he was still elected to the Senate.
LBJ did the same thing in ‘60 as Kennedy’s VP
LOL
McBush is listening to Rove’s little whispers in his ear.
Also, straight talker McBush always assigns the blame for spending on the money itself.
He always assigns blame on ‘out of control spending’. As though the money spent itself.
-G
Speaking of conservatives, Howie Klein has a post up about the CPAC convention. Classic Howie.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-over.html
Therein, he links an article re: the Top Ten Signs at CPAC. Click only with brain bleach at the ready.
http://www.examiner.com/blogs/…..CPAC-Signs
McCain is going to get Bush Pox.
Do these idiots read polls? Bush is Typhoid Mary and Patient Zero all wrapped-up into one.
Poltical kryptonite.
-G
My own sources say Eliot Spitzer…but he may have damaged himself with the two faux pas of drivers licenses for illegal immigrants and strong-arm tactics of going after his perceived opponents…
I think the ball’s in your court.
I certainly agree with the “I’d rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain” sign… ;-)
Geez. Would NY elect Bloomberg t the senate? And how about our Fitzy for IL!
Spitzer? Really? Interesting.
I’d bet real money that Bloomberg would not ever, ever, ever in a million bajillion years want to be a legislator.
I think Spitzer’s not quite toast, but close. He’s a bully like W, but the NYS Rs stood up to him, and he was crushed. Given his ego & financial resources, he could rise from the ashes, but no sign yet.
Meanwhile, on CNN, another idiot, Lou Dobbs, is still chasing ghosts…Jeebus…
I think you are right. He’s an executive.. ain’t he?
Why? Not wanting to compromise?
You gotta hand it to the Clintonistas in the House and the Senate–that’d be the Blue Dog Democrats in the House and the Senate Telcom Immunity Kids–they know how to take care of their corporate masters.
They are lining up to defeat a Dodd filibuster and Telcom immunity making their corporate masters, Cheney, Addington and the Editorial page of the WSJ proud as punch.
You rally think so? Please tell me why…in private. I also want to touch base with you about…this morning. You know what I mean.
I’d like him better if Sandy Weil went to jail
Not really, the inequity of the draft also meant we had a highly under qualified “officer corps”. Proof, guys like Rusty Calley that had no business commanding anyone. The best and the brightest were the Clinton’s, Bush’s and all the other folks who gamed the system so some poor chump had to take their place.
Excellent!!!
(just catching up)
Had to turn it myself. Lou’s insanity really knows no bounds.
Spitzer could buy the senate, hands down. Remember that’s what Corzine did in NJ. And Bloomberg is term limited as mayor so he needs another toy to play with. He’s not been a bad mayor, so I see no negatives to get in his way if he decides to run for sen.
Picture this: George W Bush, RGJoe Lieberman and Old Lord McCain onstage together at this summer’s GOP convention.
Why does our Democratic nominee have to pay to make campaign advertisements this fall? They make themselves.
Can;t remember, but did anyone go to jail? I haven’t read his bio yet, but my vague memory is that the only thing that came of his persecution of Wall St., is that firms caved to his bullying & paid fines. I’d be happy to be corrected if I’m misrepresenting his record.
Why Clintonistas? She votes the right way on this.
I agree he’s not toast..yet. He went in there flaming, and then his I’m-smarter-than-everyone-else-in-the-room-arrogance got the best of him. Personally, he’s a favorite of mine. Plus, I really love Slida Wall…
Can you imagine Eliot on the Senate floor debating Joe-Lie? Would be fascinating…
Yeah — and Sam Ervin was just a simple, country lawyer… At least that’s what he used to say.
So what’s Bloomberg going to do next, iyo?
Am I forever banned from the club if I don’t picture that? Makes me queasy.
Hmmmm…check the bat cave.
CT- gawd, those signs were really ugly, weren’t they? The phrase “reptilian brain” that Howie likes to use does come to mind.
My ‘puter’s been wacky today.
I have lost emails and I keep loosing the New Comments message. :(
ya raised your hand and stepped forward, more than most did
Knight of the Living Dead
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Dodd is up next on c-span2 in the Senate!!
That’s true. Did you guys catch this at Kos today? Maybe W could say something like this:
Dubya’s interview with Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday provided a wealth of new Bushisms, as the Decider attempted to discuss “history”:
And secondly I believe the Iraq democracy is going to take hold and — it’s very hard to write the future history of America before the current history hasn’t been fully written.
And:
And as far as history goes and all of these quotes about people trying to guess what the history of the Bush administration is going to be, you know, I take great comfort in knowing that they don’t know what they are talking about, because history takes a long time for us to reach.
” It Don’t Mean Nothin’ “
fukin a
I can’t think of anyone either, no one went to jail for those crimes, all just paid a fine — kinda like a ticket, ya know.
I have a deep and abiding antipathy toward bullies. Started with Gingrich & blossemed with W. Don’t care what political party, bullies are bad.
Yeah thanks to my local recruiter he us celebrating my draft tossing cases of beer over a fence (on old coastal defense property) did some heavy beer drinking that night. come Monday he talked me into coming down and taking all the tests which in doing so got me the electronics school and thusly to Germany… And they asked me only once to re-up…ha
Webb, however, voted for both 2007 war supplementals. Makes him a very problematic guy for me.
I can’t picture an egomaniacal billionaire used to always just telling people what to do and having his commands enacted ever wanting to be a legislator.
Dodd knows his shit… Give it to them Chris.. tell them they are crooks..
And you learned a skill that landed you in Silicon Valley!
There’s an excellent live thread at Emptywheel…
Check your inbox now…I really need to touch base with you tonight…
Well, you didn’t answer my Q, but that’s fair. I’d remind you that the Senate is full of egomaniacs, but perhaps not quite large enough to accomodate Bloomberg. I think he could choose it as the best achievable alternative, but what the heck do I know about him?
OOps, this was meant for demi @ 175…
But hi Prof anyway…
Again, for a man to purport to be unconcerned about how people think about him, his comments prove him to be obsessed with that question. OBSESSED.
-G
Uh Yo, shout out for my brothers and sisters at FDL you be da bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You bet I still use it.. ended up getting into the early networked computer at Xerox in the early eighties… the training I got in just how to properly troubleshoot was and is transferable to almost anything you run into… keeps me learning and busy..
I love Dodd. Why did my first choice have to leave the race so soon? Why didn’t anyone think he deserved a shot at the Presidency?
There will be a special election to fill the term; it may be during California’s June primary (I know, another primary? Yes, it’s California).
I think Bloomy may try to start a third party with all his loot.
I don’t know what he would want to do. Maybe just go back to his billions? I could be wrong, of course. I just don’t see him as a legislator.
Thanks been checking over there also..
at the risk of getting trounced, i have to say this, have wanted to say this for a long time
webb has always struck me as
a snake-oil salesman. smarmy.
and i don’t think his response to bush’s speech was all that great. in fact, it seemed pretty illiterate.
his sentences trounced over each other on their way to nowhere…..
the only reason people liked it is because he was one of the only voices to come out against the war, it had nothing else to do with substance. he was anti-war, so everyone liked him.
I kind of thought that would happen… wish I could vote for Jackie…. live in Anna Eshoo’s district..
“helmet hair and polyester confab known as the Republican National Convention.”
That’s funny Jane.
nahant- YES! Despite what CSPAN-2 online info says (SuperTuesday results) I now have Dodd.
I would so like to have Dodd as the Senate Majority Leader, asap. Dodd is just so great.
Nah, he’s too smart for that. With winner-take-all elections, third parties go nowhere in the U.S. I’m sure that’s been explained to him. He won’t enter an enterprise that’s a sure loser.
tbsa–dodd was my first and only choice from the beginning.
I don’t know either. But we’ll both know in due course. *g*
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Citizen Raven and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“The inequity of the draft” really hurt everywhere except in areas like what I was in: the professional, skilled medical corps. The physicians drafted right outta practice in areas like neurosurgery, general surgery and orthopaedics made the 500 bed evac hospital I was assigned to one of the best acute trauma centers in the whole fuckin’ world. But when it came ta the company grade officer corps, well, after about 2 years when the initial cadres of senior noncoms and junior officers where burned up and out, the troops were led by 22and 23 year old senior noncoms at the platoon level who either trained their 90 day wonder Lieutenants
I have discomfort with latter day heroes. Especially party switchers. (Remember the neocons were Trotskyites before they converted.) I have nothing specific against Webb now, but am watching him in the expectation that I will sometime in the future.
Interestingly a Gallup Poll in 1975 of returning Viet Name Veterans showed that they were almost evenly split between those that viewed their service being in a “just war” and those who felt the war was unjustified.
And the Veterans Administration did a subsequent epidemiological survey in the mid-1980s that showed that PTSD was vastly higher amongst Viet Nam era veterans than with the public at large. Some of the adjustment factors that Webb cites may be due, in fact, to the benefits accrued by Veterans as a result of serving (e.g. GI Bill benefits).
http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmai…..gical.html
And thank god (if I believed in god) for that.
Ever watch the Trinity Broadcasting Network-
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Citizen Raven:
Ah brother Raven, ya bring the best out in us…I sure as fuck am glad yer on our side. But how the hell are we gunna get these kids outta THIS one without takin’ it to the streets?
KEEP THE FAITH AND TELL THE BASTARDS WHERE YER GOIN’ ‘CUZ THEY’RE OUR LEADERS AND THEY MUST LEAD US!!
I’m pretty sure if we look closely we would see that many many Nam vets never took advantage of their benefits. It also is the case that some of the follow up studies, “Home To War” by Lifton were seriously flawed research and that PTSD may not have been as widespread as reported. I dunno.
they either trained their 90 day wonder lieytenants… or promoted them.
You’re asking the wrong guy. I was at Dewey Canyon III and the 72 Convention in Miami and I have been in my last street action.
No, I meant ta say “or they fragged ‘em if they lived too long.”
I went on active duty for the AF in 12/76, in time to get the Vietnam era GI Bill (although I was after the time period to be considered a Vietnam era Vet). I used it to finish my degree while I was still on active. Haven’t used my VA home loan benefit but still have the paperwork.
I like this guy (I assume you’re a guy)
god! I am still listening to Dodd. And, on verge of tears. He is hitting hard.
Exactly my meaning, usually with a posthumous decoration citation to boot.
Bless yer heart Raven…but I think this one is like the last, if the kids don’t hit the streets and fuck up the “politics as usual crowd” we’ll have kids in the sand over there fer 50 years.
Jackie survived the murders in Jonestown…she would have no issue taking on Mme. Pelosi. They are largely contemporaries. Jackie went into State politics, Pelosi into Federal.
It’s ironic that she has taken so long to find space in the Congress…largely due to many of those elected back in the 1980’s to “give room”. Lantos grabbed that Congressional seat and held it like a vice. People in the other Bay Area spots are similarly entrenched. I was always hoping that she’d move out to the Valley and challenge on of the lunatics out there. But now she’s got her shot.
I’m happy!
I came home in 9/69, 30 day drop. I got almost the same dollar amount as my old man had gotten after the big one. Was only 19 so I had to live in a dorm (after 13 months in Korea and 11 in the Nam) so I had to borrow money and work as a night janitor to be able to afford it. Amazingly, due to the 100 hits of purple mesc I scored in SF on my way home, I flunked out the first semester. I did, however, eventually finish my undergrad and squeeze every dime I could out of them.
Roger, roger.
You know what you are doing but I’d go easy on telegraphin my plans for Denver. Remember Scott Camille?
eCAHN–yep, another layer to the webb cake.
I’m sure that mesc had absolutely noting to do with the flunking out. After all, you were just using it to expand and raise your consciousness, right?
Hell yes, now I like to see things in real black and white!
http://www.chrisdodd.com/doddpod
valley girl, did you ever see this?
My view is that we may never know. Many Vets would never admit to having any sort of issues even if they did. And there really wasn’t even any sort of access to psychological out-patient treatment available for VNEV until the early 1980’s. For most that was ten years after their service. Ditto with Agent Orange, Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, and a host of other issues.
I’d like to see the actual methodology used by Harris in obtaining the data for that 1980 survey. I did notice that many of the stats that Webb used are couched with qualifiers like “those involved in combat”. The implication is that those who weren’t did not rate their service quite as highly. Those who take greater risks, sacrifice more, and see those making high sacrifices can be predicted to respond strongly to statements about the value or justification of their service defensively. And this poll was taken when Carter was being portrayed as wimping out to both Islam and the Commies…and “Pro-Vietnam” Ronnie Reagan was ascendent.
I wonder what those VN Era Vets would think today. Vietnam is a different place, the same justifications are being used in yet another war, Rumsfeld has shown he was just as incompetant in his second adventure as his advice was in the first, and information about the “false flag” gambits that were used to “start” the war are now declassified.
The implication is that those who weren’t did not rate their service quite as highly. Those who take greater risks, sacrifice more, and see those making high sacrifices can be predicted to respond strongly to statements about the value or justification of their service defensively.
Very sticky, they love to characterize anti-war vets as REMF’s. It’s a really thin line to walk since probably 75% of Nam vets were in support roles. It’s not an easy thing to look back on what the grunts went through and conclude it was in vain.
One reason I didn’t throw my medals at Dewey Canyon is because all I have are the standard “show up” bullshit and I did not feel that they deserved to be up their among the purple hearts and other combat awards. It’s also the case that the military fosters inter-service and inter-unit rivalry. I had a buddy who was a grunt with the herd and he didn’t think anyone who wasn’t in his bat was worth a shit.
Plus, the above description of Webb’s son lists him as a Fallujah vet. technically anyone who served in or near there could be a Fallujah vet but he wasn’t there in the battle of Fallujah.
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Hi Raven. I used to run into Scott Camille now and again in Gainesville. Interesting, intense guy.
Hey, thanks, Doc. Left for a while and when I got back, the party had moved elsewhere.
Way late. You’re already gone, too. But thanks.
I have one suggestion for JoeL:
Let the door hit you on the way out, hard enough to bounce you a couple of blocks down the street. And don’t come back whining to us about your reception over there.
(I see Dangerstein still thinks of himself as a Dem strategist. How should we disabuse him of that notion?)
Why aren’t we using the term “Bush Republican” over and over and over and bashing Repugs with that label? That would allow some of the less wiggy to disassociate themselves from the lunatics and allow us to pigeon hole them as the narrow minded bigots they are.
One other significant thing that we learned was how Pelosi
and Reid betrayed the Deomocrats on ending the war….