Lord I miss Barbara Jordan and Molly Ivins.

Second that.

zed and good night

Oh, Good! Barbara Jordan! one of my all-time faves! I have to agree with Kiddo– I sure do miss Barbara Jordan and Molly Ivins!

Bob in HI

Barbara Jordan was astonsihingly adept at capturing the conscience of a nation and showing it to us in prose that was both rousing and heartbreakingly true at the same time.

The mold was not broken when she died. The mold was kilned down into ash and sent to the four corners of the globe.

Thanks, PW.. I loved Barbara as a kid. Barbara Jordan must be smiling over Chris Dodds words tonight.

Me too!

What brilliant voices for justice.

Barbara Jordan is what all politicians should aspire to be and so very rarely do.

Heard it when she made it and thought it was the most amazing speech I had ever heard. Her speeches during the Nixon hearings are stunning – she was House Jud. member.

Oh she was a wonder! Thanks PW.

BTW, I worked one summer a few years ago at Barbara Jordan Elementary School, and the Austin airport is now named for her.

same memories Twain … she could lift us up, eh?

Where will we find her like again? She makes most politicians today sound like silly children.

She was great.

Barbara Jordan was a hero. With a voice like a 4-manual organ.

I do like Jackson-Lee and Maxine Waters, too…

It’s fitting to be reading Barbara Jordan as we watch Chris Dodd. Two patriots who understood “We the people.”

She was also one of the founders of People For the American Way. Recently I did a little YouTube for an AC/DC song on the greatness of women. I ended it with images of… Barabra Jordan, Betty Friedan and the Statue of Liberty.

She makes most politicians today sound like silly children.

That’s cuz most of them are silly children.

I remember her keynote speech at the convention and her comments during the impeachment hearings. She was in the House what Sam Ervin was in the Senate during the H2Ogate stuff

Andrew Horne dropped his challenge to Mitch McConnell. He was at the lake last week.

Like to think I spent a year and a half helping to raise one along that model. Some of you have helped too.

Donna Edwards would be a nice fit too…!

For those who are inspired by watching Senator Dodd on CSPAN2, he’s still retiring his campaign debt here. You can contribute at the link. There’s a spot for “other,” so even if you can only afford $5, please consider doing so. It enables you to add a message of support. I’m sure it would mean a lot to him.
https://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1318/t/59/shop/custom.jsp?donate_page_KEY=1925

Thanks for the great post, PW!

So true. Watching her 1976 was electrifying.

Is anyone running against McConnell?

My Momma in Texas loved Barbara Jordan…though she never had a chance to vote for her (well she did but gave her vote to another great American).

I also remember those impeachment hearings, and thought…”this woman will save America from this tyrant”. Her and Senator Sam! Those were the days when the South created some truly great Democrats! Let’s hope it can happen again!

On a sour note…here’s the list of programs that the Bush Administration said didn’t show a profit, weren’t easily used for kickbacks to contributors meet their efficiency standards.

They are slated for the axe in his new Budget Proposal

150 Programs Bush Wants To Eliminate

It’s all the stuff he hates…school lunches and health care for kids, scholarships and Perkins Loans for College students, FDA excess food giveaways to the food closets, etc.

Wow, great speach.

To me she had the best Keynote speech at a Democratic convention. What a voice. And what a mind. I still grieve for her and Molly and Ann Richards.
I guess Texas ain’t as bad as I usually think.

yeah maxine be bad!

she makes my day

eCahn, all my money is going towards a new muscle stimulator for my back. insurance won’t pay.

Barbara Jordan would be happy to see that of the three people with a chance of becoming president this year, one was a woman and one was black. (She’d probably be a touch disappointed that they weren’t the same person, but you take what you can get.)

Oh! And she’s also be disappointed that the black woman wasn’t a Southern progressive, too!

The rule of law must rule. Sort of paraphrasing Sen. Dodd.

kiddo says goodnight good people. And so do I.

L.

nothin more inspiring than a classy smart mouth dame speaking truth to power
that’s maxine waters
kinda liked cynthia mckinney too

night kiddo and lahoma.

Sorry for the OT:
Do you know anything about an epidural block?

Am I being too heavy handed? Sorry. Just want our voices to be heard as much as possible on FISA.

On your back, I hope the muscle stimulator works.

I look forward to meeting you at Netroots Nation.

barbara jordan never failed to move me to tears when she spoke
her real fight gave you hope

Remember Shirley Chisholm?

As far as I’m aware, there’s still the DINO Bruce Lunsford, and a couple of other money folks named Greg Fischer and Mike/Mark Cassero I believe.

anybody see that lame brain katie couric tryin to get hillary to swap energy/stamina recipes on 60 minutes last night? i thought i’d smash my tv, and i’m not even a big Hil fan. It was insulting.

Arrgh, what a crock of crap… LIHEAP and WIC is included…! Any and all, that benefits the disadvantaged are targeted… 8-(

wow phoenix, had no idea she was a lesbian……..guess i never asked.

thank you for that………..

one amazing woman, i have so many memories of her speaking, exceptionally.

can’t tell me she didn’t leave an impression on many minds and souls.

i bet just hearing her name makes people sit up straight and rethink what they were going to say.

ot-jayt, whom i love, i left comments in last thread for you, at 174 and 180

Aloha, OKK and lahoma!

Glad he’s not going to be unopposed- there’s an outside chance of pickin his sorry ass off. Would probably have to be a centerist in Kentucky eh??

PW,

I think that God borrowed Barbara’s voice. Of all of the politicians I remember hearing her voice is one that I can never forget. The otherside is fortunate she isn’t around to explain to them the meaning of the Constitution. Moses would have listened to her.

Too bad she was a lesbian — she and james earl jones would have been an intense couple to have a dinner conversation with.

yes, i have had several. may even schedule more. but this device may help me to not need those and to be able to sleep with less pain.

whom is Sen Dodd reading now?

and I left you one a little farther down.

We’re good.

Insurance won’t pay because it’s experimental…?

Texas produces the dangedest people in the world. Lots of scalawags, but on occasion some of the finest humans ever to walk the face of the earth.

Um, no reason NOT to invite them both to dinner, regardless of sexual orientation.

Unfortunately, Lunsford is the best known of the three left and the one least likely to knock off Mitch. Which won’t upset either of them since Lunsford has given large amounts of money to Mitch over the years and the only reason Schumer and Co want Lunsford is cuz he’ll self finance.

Here we go. Drown what he hasn’t actively already destroyed. And soon we will be executing the terrorists in guantanamo. It is going to be a scary, horrid, mean nine months. Since he has a touch of push back from the senate and house he is going to have temper tantrums and do all kinds of expected and unexpected shit.

simply because they don’t cover it.

my dad is going to help me fight it, but in the meantime, i need to keep my money earmarked for this.

Yesterday’s NYT editorial.

If you have never heard her statement at the House Judiciary Committee impeachment hearings (link above in “spoke truth to power”) I would strongly urge you to. I watched her deliver it then (thank heaven for public TV) and I never will forget it. “My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution.” God, I miss her.

A sad commentary of our sorry state of affairs in regards to healthcare…!

You know how people talk about transcending race or gender?

In her own way, Barbara Jordan did. She made the most hard-bitten bigots stand up and respect her because she had a spine of steel and a soul of gold, with the brains and learning to match. Men that would not listen to a woman listened to this woman. People that would not heed a black person heeded this black person. It’s why she was seriously considered as a possible running mate for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

well said OKK and kudos PW ;o)

Good news!

Judge OKs White House Tech Probe Over Missing E-Mails

WASHINGTON — A federal judge agreed Monday to allow a private group to delve into the operations of an office at the White House as part of a controversy over whether large amounts of e-mail have disappeared.

Did Dodd really quote Glenn Greenwald in his speech tonight? If so, that’s damn cool! In fact, it is, literally, amazing!

My daughter has disc issues in the lower lumbar, she is going in on the 19 for an Epidural block. Did it work for you? If so how long did it last. If I am being too personal you don’t have to answer. Just wondering if this is the right thing to do for her.

I just helped Dodd retire his campaign debt(a little). That felt good. Came back here and my computer screamed out at me “Congratulations! You’ve just won two iPods!” Scared me half to death! Is this happening to anyone else? Btw, I love this site, come here everyday, and want to say thank you to all the bright minds I find here, who teach me so much.

Is it here? And can we discuss what is really important and not
FAUX news.. daym what a pain in the ….

“My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution.”

Words that I would put on her tombstone, if I could.

They say it all right there.

Excellent!

Yes, he did quote Greenwald!

Thanks for helping Dodd. Hope you added a note about what you appreciated about his efforts.

I hope the younger people all coming out for Obama hear this speech and read some of the similar ones over the years. They need to know that many people like Barbara Jordan did many brave things before he came along. These people broke down so many of the barriers to allow Obama to do a lot of what he’s doing today.

I think Obama understands this very well, and that’s another reason I trust him – Obama wants to make all these trailblazers proud.

Miss Molly wrote about the Texas Legislator, not a notably progressive group, sitting around a TV showing the hearings and cheering for Barbara Jordan.

I have a mental image of she and Molly and Ann Richards somewhere with their feet up.

I sure did.

Yes, It happened to me earlier but I have so many tabs open I couldn’t discern from where it came. (startled the heck out of me)

Nite pups.

STRUGGLE!

Dodd is doing the job every senator should be doing.

What a guy!

Hoping to join them in the bye-n-bye.

Thanks, i’m bummed i missed him quoting Glenn.

EPu’ed from the OTHER thread that sure did turn ugly!

I am still being put in awe of this patriot, he must be kept in government where he can do the most good for our country… by far the best speech I have ever heard including JFK who is and has been my personal hero…Dodd is very inspiring and all kids taking government classes should be required to watch this speech and do a report on what it all means… great teaching tool… Kiddo hope you guys can teach this someday to your students..

Cool!

Surely.

I nearly jumped out of my skin! Gotta turn the volume down on this thing!

jayt left you another one at 200, it ’ain’t’ quite good yet.

No. Got a YouTube?

I just sent this thread as a link to my hard working TX friend Julia (a different Julia from you, FDLJulia), politically active Houston woman who’s signing up new D voters. So I want to enter a shout-out to her, in case she reads down the comments. Bravo TXJulia.

Heard it when she made it and thought it was the most amazing speech I had ever heard. Her speeches during the Nixon hearings are stunning – she was House Jud. member.

Ditto here, on all counts. Truly impressive, and a true patriot.

Bob in HI

Yep.

I have a copy of her autobiography on my book shelf. She was a goddess.

Yes, very cool. Greenwalds great. I got his book for Christmas (A Tragic Legacy), and I love his blog.

Oh, yes. I can also just about hear them calling down from their Heavenly perch to Chris Dodd:

“The eyes of Texas are upon you…”

i’m late to the lake tonight…. is sen dodd filibustering on c-span2?

Barbara Jordan statue at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport.

I miss her sorely.

yes, extended debate

jayt left you another one at 200, it ’ain’t’ quite good yet.

So be it.

I tried.

i am so sorry, but my barfomatic machine just won’t turn off………….

dodd has been the same dude you are hearing tonight for YEARS………….

he’s the one that got me into politics.

and you’re just now hearing him???????????????????

what the hell have you been hearing for the past 20 years???????????

i heard him loud and clear on cspan, ever since it came on the air………..

gave me goosebumps every time i heard him speak.

excuse me, he was running for president….

he isn’t anymore

your choices now are

clinton

obama

wake the hell up, no, too late, go back to sleep.

sorry, i am normally complacent, but the dodd thing totalllllllllly pisses me off.

as it did in the last thread.

Yep. And if you, or anyone else has a dollar or two, please consider helping Senator Dodd retire his campaign debt, and include a note of appreciation for all his work on FISA. I’m sure it will make a big impression if he gets large number of small donations tonight.
https://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1318/t/59/shop/custom.jsp?donate_page_KEY=1925

Sent a few $$ to Dodd. Hope he stays around a long time. We need him.

We knew. Many of us were with you.

Mahalo, Scarecrow, I just e-mailed that op-ed to Sen. Inouye! One of my critters…

Mary…I’d thought I’d just list a few…just to demonstrate what this guy wants to eliminate. Many of us know people directly helped by dozens of these programs.

Department of Agriculture
Commodity Purchase Services; Commodity Supplemental Food Program; Conservation Security Program; Dairy Price Support Program; Emergency Conservation Program (this allowed flooded farmland to be temporarily used as a wetland); Food Stamp Nutrition Education; Forest Service: Watershed;
National Forest Improvement and Maintenance; Senior and Woman, Infants, and Children Farmers’ Market Programs; The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP); Trade Adjustment Assistance for Farmers.

Department of Commerce Coastal Zone Management Act; Small Business Innovation Research

DODefense- Air Force Base Operations & Support; Defense Advanced Technology Development; Defense Communications Infrastructure; Small Business Innovation Research/Technology Transfer; Marine Corps Base Operations & Support; Military Test & Evaluation

Department of Education- American Printing House for the Blind; Assistive Technology Alternative Financing ; B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarships; Byrd Honors Scholarships; College Assistance Migrant Program; Comprehensive Regional Assistance Centers; Developing Hispanic-Serving Institutions; Education State Grants for Innovative Programs; English Language Acquisition State Grants; Enhancing Education Through Technology; Even Start; Federal Perkins Loans; Federal Work-Study; High School Equivalency Program ; Historically Black College and University Capital Financing; IDEA Special Education(Parent Information Centers, Research and Innovation,, Technical Assistance and Dissemination, Grants for Infants and Families, Personnel Preparation Grants , Preschool Grants, Technology and Media Services) ; Impact Aid Basic Support Payments; Payments for Children with Disabilities; Impact Aid Payments for Federal Property; Independent Living for People with Disabilities; International Education Domestic Programs; Leveraging Educational Assistance Partnership; Mathematics and Science Partnerships; Mentoring Program; Migrant and Seasonal Farmworkers….that’s just the first page!

Some of these are programs (e.g. Mathematics and Science Partnerships) that Bush ballyhooed as his great accomplishments during his regime.

sorry jayt-you used the word ’fuck’ with reference to me, kinda hard to let that one go………go read 200 and my use of ’shits’ not quite the same thing.

I’m relatively new to political activism. So when I went to support a D candidate for prez, I chose one who could make a difference in the race. Dodd had too little support to do that. So I supported Edwards, who didn’t have a chance to win, but who moved the goal posts to the left.

Choosing a prez is complicated. There are many factors that go into it, even with informed people. Don’t impugn others’ decisions.

in other words, you treated me like a troll.

se la vie.

Thanks.

Well, I supported him. And Edwards. But…what can I say?
I love the Daily Show and Jon Stewart, but I still don’t understand why Stewart treated him so badly when he appeared on the show. I think it made a big impression on the easily impressionable when this happened.

I’ve been a fairly political beast since a bunch of us marched on Washington to ask Mr. Nixon to stop that war. I supported Edwards for EXACTLY the same reason you did. Guess what? We were both right, and those goalposts have been moved somewhat to the left.

I gave Dodd some more $$ na wrote him a thank you note for all he is doing for every one of us:
Thank you Senator Dodd you have renewed my faith in the patriotic duty that citizens like you! And are for standing up in the Senate and utterly destroy any argument for retroactive immunity for the telcos. And for pointing all law breaking this Administration has committed just for their personal power.

I gave a few to Dodd just now (but I didn’t win an ipod). I sometimes, however, feel like the kiss of death. Donated to Lamont, Laesch (twice), Dodd and Edwards. The results weren’t good.
Now, you want the good news? I never got around to donating to Donna Edwards. When she wins, I’ll know why.

And guess what else? There’s no guaranty that any of us made a good decision. The future is so damn difficult to forecast. (And I was pretty good at forecasting the economy when I was on Wall St., so I should know. *g*)

Far too many of the former, too few of the latter.

dmac, left a comment for you near the end of the last thread.

ecahn says-”

I’m relatively new to political activism. So when I went to support a D candidate for prez, I chose one who could make a difference in the race. Dodd had too little support to do that. So I supported Edwards, who didn’t have a chance to win, but who moved the goal posts to the left.

Choosing a prez is complicated. There are many factors that go into it, even with informed people. Don’t impugn others’ decisions.”

my thinking exactly……..and i don’t, i’m not impugning, but all this dodd praise is making me sick………i am not someone who is as informed as most, yet, i knew who the hell he was…since the 80’s, he’s no man behind the scenes, he’s been in it for a long time, not exactly a behind the scenes kinda guy, and yet noone knows what the hell he’s done all of these years??????? gimme a break…..and all of this new-found praise is, frankly, making me wonder………..i knew who he was, how come noone else did? the man talking tonight is the same man i knew of……….no difference. makes me wonder.

Heh… I sometimes feel the same way… “Hi. My name is Kiss of Death, what’s yours?”

Ditto.

I don’t understand one thing. Why is Dodd doing this tonight? Why not tomorrow to delay the vote?

i don’t want to go to bed while Sen. Dodd is still speaking (must show respect here) – does anyone know if this is an all-nighter?

Hah, you berate yourself, Solai! But, there could be a jinx factor in there somewhere… *g*

and thanks to all who are helping dodd pay off his debt, he is a good man. a fine human being.

don’t let my diatribe detract from him.

i’m done.

I am pretty sure he has a four hour limit.. but I could listen to him protecting our rights all night long…

Naw, he’s only venting his views, tomorrow there will be 8 votes in the morn and he’s still slated for 4 more hours of debate…

Why do you assume that no one has ever heard of Dodd before tonight? Why shouldn’t we praise him? I’ve been watching him on CSpan for years, as I’m sure many others here have too.

I’m not sure. Unfortunetly I wasn’t watching at the exact moment he took the floor. It could be extended debate. It sounds like there will be a cloture vote tomorrow.

OT

Does anyone here know anything about Infragard?
It seems to be a co-op of the FBI and corporation. If marshall law is declared then these corporation share their goods with the government and in return they can protect their infrastructures with deadly force.

My husband just came in and told me about it. It was on Mike Malloy on the radio.

http://www.infragard.net/

More of the “butchers” attacks on longstanding programs that he’s decided to cut. Remember his threats to exclude any add-ons to his budget…NOT by vetoing the budget…but by Executive Order! He’s simply not going to provide these agencies with funds!

Department of Education ~ National Writing Project, Parental Information and Resource Centers; Physical Education Program; Ready to Learn TV; Rural Education; Safe and Drug Free Schools; Smaller Learning Communities; Strengthening Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Graduate Institutions; Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants; Supported Employment State Grants; TRIO Educational Opportunity Centers; Upward Bound; Teacher Quality Enhancement; Teaching American History; Tech-Prep Education State Grants; Training and Advisory Services; Tribally Controlled Postsecondary Vocational and Technical Institutions; Vocational Education State Grants; Vocational Rehabilitation Demonstration/Training

DOE~ Energy Information Administration; National Nuclear Infrastructure; Natural Gas Technology; Oil Technology; State Energy Programs; University Nuclear Education Programs

Dept of Health & Human Service~ Adolescent Family Life Program; Bioterrorism: Biosurveillance; Bioterrorism: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; Black Lung Clinics; CDC: State and Local Preparedness Grants; Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Grants; Community Services Block Grant; Community-Based Child Abuse Prevention; Compassion Capital Fund; Emergency Medical Services for Children; Family Violence Prevention and Services; Health Care Facilities Construction; Health Care Fraud and Abuse Control; Health Professions; Healthy Community Access Program; Independent Living Program; Low Income Home Energy Assistance; Mental Health Programs of Regional and National Significance; Mentoring Children of Prisoners; Minority HIV/AIDS Initiative; National Bioterrorism Hospital Preparedness; Office of Disease Prevention and Health; Office of Medicare Hearings and Appeals. And there is more….

I suspect that the last seven years has been a wake-up call to a lot of people who previously figured political stuff would take care of itself, that both Republicans and Democrats–while differing on some details–basically were competent reasonable people who wanted what’s best for the nation.

Well, now there are a lot of people who have woken up. I think it would be a mistake to turn those people away, just because they didn’t realize what goes on as early as others.

Dodd: No other issue is as important as the Constitution.

OK: Barbara lived several layers of oppression through her life and body, and coulda been the poster-woman for identity politics, but chose not to, at least in public:

–black (race)

–lesbian (sexual orientation)

–woman (gender)

That leaves class. wiki says nothing about her background, but I’m willing to bet she woulda fit that bill as well.

Barbara Jordan: In-Memoriam

Read that there will be massive cuts and layoffs in the Forest Service and fire prevention due to the Bush budget. That’s just what we need with all the forest fires we have had in the last few years.

And, speaking for myself & perhaps others, there are retiring boomers who now have time to figure out what’s what in DC who didn’t have time before. Late learners are not necessarily bad learners.

There were some news stories about them over the weekend. Let me dig some up.

In regards to Dodd’s speech tonite…

cboldt February 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
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In response to JTMinIA @ 57

This is “open” time, not Dodd’s four hours, right?

Correct. He’s either burning time against the 2 hours allocated to Dodd/Feingold #3907, or he’s taking the currently unlimited time available under final passage.

I did read that somewhere on the web in the last day or so and I tell you it sure does scare and piss me off!! Only 2hrs and 25 min and he can still keep going…WOW… he is a hero..

2hours and 25 minutes so far!!

Dodd reqests his time: 2 hours & 25 minutes tonight.

lord it makes me sad to see no one standing with Dodd …
we’ve fallen so far

Mary McC:

Report: Over 23,000 Business Leaders Working With FBI and Homeland Security
The FBI Deputizes Business
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..ng-of.html

Thanks to all who contributed to Dodd tonight. I hope it will encourage him to keep going.

Siun, is he the only one??

Mary McC, those are three different links in 133

I sent a bit as well to Dodd …

he’s been a hero and deserves our respect and support.

Wow What a speech by Senator Dodd!!

I gather he and Feingold were the only ones willing to step up.

yields floor and notes lack of quorum. resume 10 am tomorrow and notes passing of Rep Lantos.

in other words, you treated me like a troll.

ok, I was tryin’ to be nice – understanding that on some days our feelings run a little higher than others, but now I gotta respond:

in my world, when you say ’you shit’ it is not derogatory, …

Well, that is not my world, in my world, that’s an active, personal, insult.

You ask that I respect that, for some reason, I give credence to what you would ask me to take as a euphemism, which is a stretch indeed. I offered to do that. But for some reason, when I say “who the fuck do you think you’re talking to?” (which I admittedly shouldn’t have said, not having looked at the handle) acceptable euphemisms, or pretty normal questions, no longer exist or apply?

Look, you and I have never had problem, in any way shape or form. I would hope that it could continue that way.

But if you’re asking me to accept being insulted, then to buy into a euphemism, and then to accept you getting on my ass for using a word which is evidently, to you, not acceptable, whether it be merely for tonight or (for some reason that I should presumably know) forever – and then think that for some reason say that *I* am wrong…I refuse, and strongly disagree.

I reiterate – we’ve never argued before – I would prefer to not do so now.

As I’ve tried to point out, this is not being charged to his 4 hours allocated tomorrow! I think he really intends to be heard… 8-)

I just went to the infragard website. Looks like a hoax to me.

We all hope so.

So far, yes! The only two… 8-(

I’m just happy there are still those on our side of the isle that can make me smile and proud to be a democrat.

I am a card-carying Infragard member.
There is no there there.
Mostly old-school law enforcement types.
Meetings are open to the public, and occasionally interesting.
The content on the ’secured site’ is almost alwyas actually in the public domain, and once again, seldom interesting.
On the other hand, I understand that the NSA is just as spooky as you might guess

Well time for a break, I need to make dinner for my better half. She had to work while I was able to watch something amazing by Senator Dodd… See ya all on the late late night… West coast time :>)

damned too few of them though.

I just went to the infragard website. Looks like a hoax to me.

Well, the FBI doesn’t think it is.

For some reason I feel the need to state a generally accepted practice at FDL.

If you have a disagreement in a thread, please keep it there and don’t bring it to the next thread.

Thanks.

Report: Over 23,000 Business Leaders Working With FBI and Homeland Security
The FBI Deputizes Business
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..ng-of.html

This is part of Digby’s piece:

“FBI Director Robert Mueller addressed an InfraGard convention on August 9, 2005…He urged InfraGard members to contact the FBI if they “note suspicious activity or an unusual event.” And he said they could sic the FBI on “disgruntled employees who will use knowledge gained on the job against their employers.”

Agree completely. More and better, more and better….

Maybe a repetition, but anyone else see the report on ABC Nightly News tonight about credit card providers spiking their interest rates? One guy had his interest rate jump from 8 to 24%…and they went back and applied the 24% to all his debt. Puzzling that I can’t find the story now on their website.

Agree completely. More and better, LOTS more and LOTS better….

Small correction… Hope you don’t mind too much… *G*

I’ll forgo the more for better. More Harold Fords or Rahmbos doesn’t work for me at all.

Okay, sorry I have to go on with this litany of things that Bush says is worthless and wants to eliminate so that he can FINALLY assert that he cut programs during his eight-years in office.

I have the suspicion that the syphilis has finally kicked in- contracted back when he was looking to “date” Chinese girls when he visited Peking when Daddy was Ambassador. He’s flipped! Pelosi and Reid definitely need to consider an impeachment simply for derangement!

More stuff from the DHSS~ Office of Minority Health; Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology; Office on Women’s Health; Radiation and Exposure Screening and Education; State Planning Grants; Substance Abuse Prevention and Treatment Block Grants; Traumatic Brain Injury; US-Mexico Border Health Commission

Dept of Homeland Security~ Coast Guard: Polar Icebreaking Program; Cyber Security; National Protection & Programs Division: Infrastructure Protection; Office of Health Affairs: Medical Coordination; Science and Technology: Chemical and Explosive Countermeasures; Command, Control and Interoperability; SAFETY ACT; Threat and Vulnerability, Testing and Assessment; Transportation Security Administration: Air Cargo Security ; Aviation Regulation and Enforcement; Baggage Screening Technology; Federal Air Marshal Service; Flight Crew Training; Passenger Screening Technology; Surface Transportation Security; Transportation Vetting and Credentialing
FEMA: Grants and Training; Targeted Infrastructure Protection Grants; Urban Area Security Initiative Grants

Immigration and Customs Enforcement: Automation Modernization Program;

HUD~ Community Development Block Grant; FHA Multi-Family Mortgage Insurance; Fair Housing Initiatives; HOPE VI (Severely Distressed Public Housing); Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS; Housing for Persons with Disabilities; Housing for the Elderly; Partnership for Advancing Technology in Housing; Project-Based Rental Assistance; Public Housing; Rural Housing and Economic Development; Section 108 Community Development Loan Guarantee Program; University Partnership Grants: Community Outreach Partnership Centers.

Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs – Housing Improvement; Operation and Maintenance of Irrigation Projects and Roads; Realty and Trust; Tribal Courts;

Department of the Interior Bureau of Land Management – Southern Nevada Land Sales; Mining Law Administration

That makes me feel a little better.

I am very high strung today. The news is getting to me. My husband has been going off about the election and the special super, duper delegates. Bush is not funding anything that Norquist would not like. My country is trying people without letting them see the evidence. And I believe that the next months until november at dangerous. I am particularly worried about Obama.
I feel irrational. And I also see many at FDL are stressed as well.

Don’t mind one bit. That was a much needed correction.

Apparently Senator Webb’s having an interesting day, also.

Bravo to Senator Dodd for standing up. He does CT and all of us proud.

Heh
Thanks for the link Marion.
Looks like some of the other chapters have had more interesting activities.
Mine (Chicago) howts quarterly meetings with moderatly interesting presentations on network security, customs, and a bit of role/game playing exercises.

OT:

Russian jets ‘intercepted by US’
from BBC World
American fighters intercepted Russian bombers near a US aircraft carrier in the Pacific at the weekend, officials say.

I’ve always looked at the “more” and “better” as being linked. I guess I should have said so. Gawd knows we don’t need more DINOs….

my son said that he heard on the channel one news at school that Hillary already has “almost all” of the superdelegates. damn i hope he mis-heard.

What the Fuck?

rpg-left you comments at 220 and 222

yields floor and notes lack of quorum. resume 10 am tomorrow and notes passing of Rep Lantos.

What a sly fox he is! Wasn’t Leahy supposed to help him? Obama should be in the DC area…he could step up and even make more of an impression! Also Clinton! Absolutely no reason they couldn’t speak for a couple of hours!

he heard on the channel one news at school

Are you implying that children at school are watching teevee?

Have you seen anything about where in the pacific this happened? the sources I saw say “western Pacific”. Which doesn’t exactly narrow it down too much, but could have been close to either russia or china. I believe proximity to japan was mentioned – so could be either.

Barbara Jordan is turning in her grave.Tomorrow F.I.S.A. with immunity for
telecommunications co’s that read all of our emails and faxes and listened to our conversations for 5 years without court authorization is likely to pass. Cloture will be invoked without 40 votes in opposition and Chris Dodd
is shouting to the heavens with no one listening. Call your Senator Democrat or Republican -this is not a partisan affair. We have all been violated by a government so insidious that there is no precident in history. For the memory of Barbara and for the moment rise and awaken the conscience of this once great nation.

Hey PW -

That was beautiful, and Barbara Jordan was a spectacular human being. I remember well hearing her deliver that speech. She would be proud of our candidates, wouldn’t she.

I’ve been out all afternoon and haven’t read the threads today, so I’m going to go back and do that.

Just wanted to say thanks.

This stands out in view of the recent cable cuttings:

Cyber Security

We need to get some computer nerds to work on the spying on Americans problem. Some kind of firewall that protects us from fascists. (not the liberal kind)

Thanks PW. in honesty, I haven’t thought much about her. Didn’t know she was a lesbian. Probably heard that but I didn’t remember. I just remember her from the HJC that voted out Articles of Impeachment. Compare to the HJC that did the same to Clinton- Hyde, McCollum, Linsay Graham, Senselessbrenner. Pygmies compared to Jordan, Drinan, Rodino, et al. Even most of the Repubs on that committee struck me as trying to be as non-partisan as possible (except the other two from NJ -Sandman and Marazitti)
Thanks for reminding me.

Excuse please Just had to say that Huff Post has squirrel recipes. Can’t stop laughing.

There’s lots to be paranoid about,IMHO, but the FBI are not that scary since Hoover.
During one terrorist attack role-playing session, an IL State Police official was assigned the FBI liason role. THe State and local authorities were in emergency response mode when he walked into the circle announcing “I’m from the Federal Government, and I’[m here to help”
After a group chuckle, we sent him for coffee.

Are they planning on cooking dinner for Huckabee?

Read, replied, and will check back there for updates

Don’t know but there’s a picture of him with the recipes.

Yea but. . . remember who our president is and the damage he has done.
“I am from the Federal Government and I’m here to read you “My Pet Goat”.

physioprof, they are forced to watch a 15 min news show every morning. slanted and full of ads.

Now, how did I know that? /snark [snort]

And undoubtedly squirrley pictures of Hillary.

That is a fucking outrage! Teevee in school!? I can’t believe I didn’t know about this kind of thing. Is it common?

hi all,
how’s the water?

Wired (IIRC) and other techie sites looking at the NSA/ATT cyber-tapping in SF describe:

programs to encode/scramble voice calls

programs to encrypt email

programs to hide/obscure your IP on web searches.

IIRC the voice encoding software is written by Zimmerman – the same cryptographer/genius who wrote the PGP encyption programs

Hope this helps.

Hey, I just gotta say this.

The frickin ads are shouting at me.

WTF is up with that??

Next they will have them computer-like watcha mabobs.

Here’s the stuff about Wildfire Management that Bush says is useless!

Department of the Interior: Wildland Fire Management; Bureau of Reclamation – Rural Water Supply Projects; Land and Water Conservation Fund Land Acquisition; Fish and Wildlife Service – Endangered Species; Migratory Bird Management and Conservation; Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration; Heritage Partnership

National Park Service – Land and Water Conservation Fund

DOJ~ Community Oriented Policing Services; Drug Courts; Juvenile Accountability Block Grants; Multipurpose Law Enforcement Grants; Residential Substance Abuse Treatment; Criminal Alien Assistance Program

Department of Labor-Women’s Bureau; Job Training Apprenticeship; Office of Disability Employment Policy; Prevailing Wage Determination Program; Senior Community Service Employment Program; Trade Adjustment Assistance; Workforce Investment Act – Migrant and Seasonal Farmworkers and Youth Activities; Youthbuild

Department of Transportation~ Amtrak; Essential Air Service; Transportation Research and Development Program

Department of the Treasury~ African Development Fund; Asian Development Fund; Bank Enterprise Award; Bank Secrecy Act Administration; Economic and Trade Sanctions Program – Office of Foreign Assets Control; Global Environment Facility; Internal Revenue Service Earned Income Tax Credit Compliance; Health Care Tax Credit Administration; Tax Collection

Department of Veterans Affairs~ Montgomery GI Bill- Veterans Education Benefits; Veterans Disability Compensation; Veterans Home Loans

Corps of Engineers-Civil Works: Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration; Coastal Storm Damage Reduction; Flood Damage Reduction;Inland Waterways Navigation

EPA~ Air Quality Grants and Permitting; Environmental Education; Pesticide Enforcement Grant Program; Pesticide Field Programs; Pollution Prevention and New Technologies Research

NASA Education Program

Office of Personnel Management Leadership Capacity

Commission on Civil Rights

Marymac
Yep – the greatest threat is actually incompetence.

And that is the problem with trying to accomplish a technical defense
The best defense against stupidty is to recognize it for what it is and ignore it
competence is competence

(there is no cure for my spelling, typing or grammar however)
the cure for in

Thanks Doc.

Well it sounds like he spares his business cronies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about anyone else and never has.

Tingely.

turned off my sound
i don’t want a friggin iPhone
(well, maybe just a little – but I ain’t gonna click)

Did I miss a pissing contest in the last thread? Damn.

early to bed…
nite all

official site: http://www.channelonenetwork.com/
pediatricians say: http://www.aap.org/advocacy/reid1100.htm
from da wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_One_News

but . . but you cannot ignore incompetence when it has killed millions.
(at least one million Iraqis and one million Americans without health care)

I cannot spell either. I just have to find another word for the one I cannot come up with at the moment. Dyslexics Untie!!!

sleep well mack.

Good night Mack person.

In NY/NJ they go to ticker tape parades. School is for suckers.

g’nite, mack – sleep well!

Don’t forget the Barbara Jordan Airport Terminal at ABIA (Austin-Bergstrom International Airport).

You sure it’s the spelling? I can spell ok. i just can’t type for shit.

Hey, you kids! Get offa my goddamn lawn!!

Thanks for the lists. As has been stated, W doesn’t give a FF for anyone except his campaign contributors. Can’t wait to get rid of him.

This budget better not pass as is. Fuck!

Dyslexics Untie!!!

Heh, Unite!

What if I don’t want to turn off my sound?

I have to listen to that every time?

Firedog powers-that-be, just an observation: that sucks.

covered that one :)

The Untied States of America.

are you in austin?

This budget is W’s last (hopefully) attempt to ruin America. He truly wants a class war.

Barbara Jordan would be happy to see that of the three people with a chance of becoming president this year, one was a woman and one was black. (She’d probably be a touch disappointed that they weren’t the same person, but you take what you can get.

I think that’s a bit presumptuous. Ms. Jordan had pretty high standards and like many who aren’t particularly thrilled with this woman and this black man she may have found this occasion less than bittersweet herself.

True…and I think that he has attacked so many in this effort that there just might be a huge counter-response. The screams will not only come from those impacted, but within the bureaucratic domain.

Commodity Futures Trading Comm Enforcement of Commodity Futures

Corp for Natl & Commun Service~ AMERICORPS; Learn and Serve

Delta Regional Authority

District of Columbia Public Defender Service

Equal Employ Opportunity Commission (the entire Commission!)

FCC~ Telecommunications Relay Service; Universal Service Fund E-Rate/High Cost/Fund for Low Income Customers/Fund for Rural Health Care Providers

FEC~ Federal Election Laws – Compliance and Enforcement

Federal Housing Finance Board

Natl Archives & Records Admin National Archives and Records Administration: Electronic Records Services (oooh THAT’S INTERESTING)

National Credit Union Admin~ Credit Union Loan and Technical Assistance Grants

Securities & Exchange Comm~ Enforcement; Full Disclosure Program (Corporate Review)

Office of Natl Drug Control~ Counterdrug Research & Development; Technology Transfer; Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign

Just say NO! NO! NO!

My R senator finally got back to me on FISA. The only thing I mentioned to him was retroactive immunity for telecoms.

I get back a lenghthy 5 or 6 paragraph e-mail with this sentence included:
S. 2248 will provide, upon a certification by the Attorney General, retroactive immunity to carriers that allegedly participated in the President’s Terrorist Surveillance Program.

No justification for it. No explanation for it. Schmuck.

IMHO, we are already there.

Hey! Green person!

Poor George. He was born with a silver spoon up his ass.

Evening, all.

WTF! Am I missing something about a lesbian being unable to have dinner with someone?

hiya {{{mmc}}}

Michelle Obama on with Larry King

Yeah. I think she wouldn’t have thought them the best. Who uyou think she woulda supported? I know it’s a dumb question. So?

Cinnamonape, I’ve been reading your budget lists…awesome deconstruction. My compliments.

Not until we take to the streets with bricks…

Yep. That one puzzled me too.

Sorry to hit a run, I don’t think I can hang in for Late Night.

A toast…

To Barbara, and to Callie.

*clink*

rpg-for some reason my clever response in the last thread didn’t register, so, i call uncle, due to irreparable circumstances.

Oops…guess not. AC showing clips of Michelle.

I think the meaning was that they’d never be a couple, not that they couldn’t share a meal. That’s how I read it. Not a big deal.

(clinking glasses and drinking a shot with wangdangdoodle)
“Salud!”

WAY OT:

My son has his heart and his mind in the right place.

Or elect BETTER democrat who will regulate these bastards. Take away a corporations right to be a person.

Oh, lovely. My dishwasher, which is chuck full of dirty dishes, has decided to take a break. Logging off…hmph.

I read some of that last thread and feel that frustration sometimes. Some folks need to chill, kick back and laugh a litle more.

yes, beerfart, you did miss a pissing contest. of a kind.

Take away a corporations right to be a person.

Now THERE’S an idea whose time has come… But it will take more and better and more independent Democrats to make it happen.

Hey Betsy…I couldn’t get the video to play…don’t know why.

You know, it could be worse. We could be Rs.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/178051.php

I woulda felt at home. You pot stirer. Pat Fitzgerald is really popular here. He said one that he took his work seriously but didn’t take himself seriously. I wish everyone would be like da man, fitz, and make that distinction.

Yeah. I think she wouldn’t have thought them the best. Who uyou think she woulda supported? I know it’s a dumb question. So?

I think that perhaps you’ve got it backwards, and that Senators Obama and Clinton would be supporting Ms. Jordan’s candidacy, if she were still with us.

Yeah, unfortunately there are far too many democrats who are supported by these people to be motivated to do a thing about it. None of them, NONE have a clue what the average person is going through in this economy just to survive.

I woulda felt at home. You pot stirer. Pat Fitzgerald is really popular here. He said one that he took his work seriously but didn’t take himself seriously. I wish everyone would be like da man, fitz, and make that distinction.

(Didn’t hit reply above. It’s the same stuff.)

RonD, here is the youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRbonBSHVj0

True. She was excellent.

i said something’local’ in ohio that was taken totally wrong by a whoosier………go figure………i said ’you shits’ and it was returned with a ’fuck you’//////

and i might be in trouble by rpg even saying this……

we don’t hate each other, just vernacular was taken totally wrong…….if he would come here, he would see that that term is used in a normal manner…..kinda like blacks use terms we don’t, except in private……

oh well, this one, i;m not backin’ down from, cuz it’s true.

i remind, my bumper sticker says–
when you tell the truth you don’t have to remember what you said.

i’m not the enemy.

Ding!

Gotta run. Everybody be nice to one another.

oh do NOT relive it!

Watertiger upstairs.

what’s rpg?

I got some of the same shit the other night. ya come here. put up hundreds of comments. thousand and thousands of words. say one thing that rubs somebody the wrong way – without any malice – and you get jumped all over by a couple people. most people aren’t such bug-up-the -ass types, so i keep commin’ back.

Sllep well, wang!

and sleep well, too :)

i give up, i really do.

Just so we’re all on the same page, some folks would say the middle initial in my name stands for Bonehead.

yes, beerfart, there is a distinction, and that was my point, thanks.

boregarad(sp?)………..

or been there done that, try something else.

Bricks my we will need something that reaches out just a little futher….

He was weaned with a coke spoon up his nose…he is one insane individual.

Andrew Horne dropped his challenge to Mitch McConnell.

Damn, damn, damn. Local rag says Horne likely dropped out b/c (a) he was up against two millionaires in the primary and (b) the DSCC is quietly backing one of the two (Lunsford).

Horne is a good, decent person. I’ll miss having him in the race.

No problem! It turned out to be fitting, with Chris Dodd doing his bit to carry her flame.

Yes! Shirley Chisholm is my hero. She was the first serious woman presidential candidate.

My favorite quote of hers:

“When profits come up against morality, it’s rare theat profits loses.” (I’m paraphrasing)

She and Barbara Jordan and a few others were very strong women of whom other women could look up to and emulate. Honestly, I don’t see that in any women leaders of today.

I admired Barbara Jordan, but that doesn’t make me all giggly about the Democratic Party’s candidates simply because of one’s gender and the other’s partial race. One is a triangulator with few apparent principles, the other a storm of hot air with no experience and vague promises that could easily turn out to be very Republican. I’ll wait to be happy when the candidates are decent, ethical people. But that probably won’t happen before the Republican faithful get their long-hoped-for Armageddon.

Bah…

Barbara Jordan. i’m late to the party but i was there when she made
some of her more memorable speeches. her character and moral authority
continue to offer us much to live by. i will always remember her voice.

Now she was the black candidate I could have happily supported for POTUS. She was supremely qualified!