Apparently our two remaining Democratic candidates for President value an endorsement from John Edwards, and maybe sooner rather than later. Both are making visits to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Senator Clinton made the first trip:
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew to North Carolina on Thursday to meet with former Sen. John Edwards, a Clinton official said Sunday, part of a lobbying campaign expected by both Democratic candidates. Details of the meeting were spare. But a Clinton official said the private session took place despite Edwards’ decision not to endorse either her or Sen. Barack Obama before the Super Tuesday races.
FDLers commented last night while watching Senators Clinton and Obama at the Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner in Richmond that they heard echoes of John Edwards in both excellent speeches. And Clinton spoke favorably of John Edwards in Maine yesterday:
Yesterday in Maine, during the question and answer session, a former Edwards supporter said she’s supporting Clinton now because she’s "a fighter" hopes Clinton will support some of Edwards’ policies. Clinton said she’d ask Edwards to be part of "anything I do.”
“Let me thank you for your support and let me also compliment Sen. Edwards, who is a fighter and really made poverty an issue that our country has to deal with again,” Clinton said. “We haven’t had a serious conversation about it in quite some time…. There is a lot that John and I have in common, and I hope he’ll fight. And I intend to ask John Edwards to be part of anything I do … when I’m in the White House.”
I wonder if "part of anything I do" came up during the discussions on Thursday in Chapel Hill? More indications that Edwards may be close to an endorsement:
The Thursday meeting, which took place at Edwards’ home in Chapel Hill, was followed by a Saturday night session during which the former North Carolina senator and several longtime advisers discussed many issues, including which candidate he should endorse.
At a Chapel Hill party yesterday for Edwards supporters, he gave no indication who he might endorse, or whether that endorsement is imminent. Some advisers are encouraging him not to endorse.
Powerful House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, the senior Democrat from Wisconsin and one of John Edwards’ premier Capitol Hill supporters, declared on Thursday:
"People will, and should, make their own choices, but I believe that, while both remaining candidates would make outstanding presidents, Senator Obama has the best chance of giving this country the new beginning it so desperately needs."
A number of John Edwards’ LGBT supporters endorsed Barack Obama before SuperTuesday:
A critical mass of John Edwards’s LGBT steering committee is going public with support for Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. Hillary Clinton. Twenty-two members of the Edwards campaign’s 59-person gay and lesbian committee will now be working for Obama victories next Tuesday and throughout the rest of the primary season.
The new Obama converts include Eric Stern, who headed up Edwards’s LGBT steering committee, and longtime gay activist David Mixner, who famously campaigned for Bill Clinton in 1992, holding some of the very first gay fund-raisers for a U.S. presidential candidate.
John Edwards’ campaign manager, former Congressman David Bonior, had this to say on Amy Goodman’s radio program immediately after Edwards ended his campaign:
Well, I think John is concerned primarily about the issues that he’s fought for, and he wants to listen and hear and see how the two remaining candidates stand up and fight for those issues. And we’ll see what they do and how prominent they, for instance, tonight, focus in on the issues that he cares about. And so, I don’t know what his future is with respect to endorsements, but my sense is that probably it’s not going to happen—if it does happen, it won’t happen right away, and if it happens at all. And so, we’re listening, and we’re waiting. We’ll be continuing to pressure our two candidates in the party to speak out forcefully, with passion, and—on these issues to make them essential parts of their campaigns. And we’ll see what happens from here.
And CNN got itself **updated** rather quickly today, with what sounds like a call from Elizabeth Edwards herself:
Two friends close to Elizabeth Edwards say she has been in support of Barack Obama, whose campaign has been touting a list of endorsements from former Edwards backers.
UPDATE: In response to such reports, Elizabeth Edwards flatly denies she favors Obama, saying she has "not even come close" to suggesting anything like that to any friend. Edwards adds that she has "no idea" why friends of hers would say that because it simply isn’t so.
I hope Candy Crowley was the recipient of that update. I wonder how far away from her ear she had to hold the telephone.
Barack Obama travels to Chapel Hill to chat with John Edwards tomorrow, the day before the Potomac Primary, having lost whatever benefit privacy might have conveyed:
NBC News also confirmed that Obama will meet with Edwards there tomorrow.
My question to you is this:
Does a John Edwards endorsement matter to you? Why?
Let’s not slay pixels hashing over who should get his endorsement, shall we?I’d really like know the value of John Edwards’ endorsement going forward in the primary campaign. Were you a supporter of John Edwards? Would his endorsement matter?
Would you be happier with our eventual nominee knowing s/he was endorsed by John Edwards?
Finally, if you haven’t cast a primary vote yet — would John Edwards’ endorsement sway your vote?



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TSF!!!
You’re soaking in it, Zed.
Hi Teddy, Congrats neuro.
teddy!
She went there to beg him not to endorse anyone till after the convention.
If he endorses at all, I would be surprised if it’s Clinton. I would expect Obama.
Early OT but -
By JILL ZEMAN, Associated Press Writer
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – Roy Scheider, a two-time Oscar nominee best known for his role as a police chief in the blockbuster movie “Jaws,” has died. He was 75.
But then, life is full of surprises.
Not really, but I truly miss his presence on the campaign trail…
Hi neuro, congrats on being first!
I went through Kucinich, Dodd, and Edwards before settling on Obama. Edwards’ endorsement won’t sway me either way.
Aed
Bed
Ced
Dead
Ed
Fed
GED
Hed
IED
Jed
Ked
LED
Med
Ned
Oed
Ped
Qued
Red
Sed
Ted
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Xed
Yed
ZED!
There! That about covers it!
Edwards will have to make a case as to why he supports whoever he choses. I would have voted for him here in Arizona but he dropped out too early.
Hiya wdd!
Hello, Suzanne. No dive?
The MSM really shat on him.
gotta link?
He should stay neutral. Just a gut feeling that he would be better keeping his cards close to his vest until the convention is near and see what the terrain is. With the race so close, simply not endorsing the one or the other is a bargaining chip he can use later. If he backs the loser, his role is diminished.
But he gives a great speech don’t he? Like Obi he can inspire like fire.
I’ll second that notion…!
Heh. No wonder you didn’t get the zed.
personal theory. She needs no more shoes dropping on her toes.
Hi Teddy!
I’m with CT — an endorsement doesn’t matter to me all that much; I’m just hopeful that he’s on the short list for either BO’s or HRC’s administration, once the election is over.
I was an Edwards supporter, now leaning towards Obama, but I don’t know what Edwards could say to change my mind about Clinton. I just don’t trust her. And I’d rather not have another Clinton in the white house.
I think John will be offered a place in the next administration whether it’s Obi or Clinton.
Good post and good questions, TSF.
If I was voting, Edwards endorsement might get me to talk a second look at someone (because I have considerable respect for Edwards), but not likely to change my (non)vote.
I’d be interested in his endorsement for what it says about him.
My answer to the question: I guess it’ll matter if he endorses Hillary. I mean, look, I’m gonna vote for her if she’s the nominee. If Edwards endorses her I’d feel a teeney bit more comfortable about it. Really teeney. But my non-election day is over. If I had an upcomming primary, I’d be leaning toward BO and an Edwards endorsement of HRC wouldn’t change that.
i hope he doesn’t. his endorsement isn’t worth all that much and the race is so damn close, he could easily back the wrong horse. What good would he do himself that way.
nope – back is better (the rock is no longer under my shoulderblade) but its still tweaky
Teddy, that story from the Advocate read like a press release to me, not reporting. How can any GLBT story not mention some of the “pray away the gay” folks like Donny McClurkin that Obama has campaigned with?
I read this and I thought of NARAL’s endorsement of Joe Liebermann. Am I missing something?
Oh Teddy! Great post, by the way. And aren’t you glad football season is over?
Edwards for Sec of Sucky!
Hi Lou, how’re you?
Shat? It was like he didn’t exist or was a mere side story…!
I’d be surprised and disappointed if Edwards were to endorse HRC.
It ain’t over till it’s over!
Of course Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would appreciate the endorsement of John Edwards but it’s wouldn’t change my mind about who I would prefer.
Yes, but which position? and with how much independence?
What position do you see him filling? AG?
Uh huh.
absolutely. it was a disgrace. but i guess i should be used to disgraceful behavior from msm.
That’s good news, Ma Cheri!
There was a football season? And it’s over?
They are rocking at the Grammys.
Hey wangdang! Hanging in there…how ’bout you?
(oops – hit submit, not review. D’oh!)
Teddy, thanks for the good post and good questions.
It’s not over for me. It’s just enterd the celebratory phase.
I was an Edwards supporter up until he took his name out of contention in his New Orleans speech after the SC primary. I think his endorsement would have value to either candidate, and I hope he gives it to Obama, who I soon realized was my natural choice to support once John left the race.
The endorsement would matter to me, although my state has already caucused (I was elected an Obama alternate to the congressional district convention, where some of my state’s delegates to Denver will be elected). It would matter in the sense that if John endorses Barack, I might feel more inclined to give him money and make calls for him to other states that have not yet selected their delegates.
If, on the other hand, he endorses Clinton, I would have to listen carefully to his reasons and think about whether or not I wanted to play an active role in the Obama campaign in other states. I will support either candidate in November, without question, but an Edwards endorsement of Clinton (and a Clinton nomination) might make me more inclined to go and volunteer in a nearby swing state in the general election to help her win electoral votes (no chance in my state).
An endorsement of Obama, on the other hand, might make me more likely to go and make a similar effort for him if he wins the nomination.
In any event, I would like to know what Edwards is thinking about this race, and an endorsement by him could make a difference in what I do between now and election day. But I will support the nominee regardless.
Yes, we can! (one way or the other).
Trust me. You don’t want to get me started. And Suzanne will kill us both.
Hi Teddy. I supported Biden in Iowa, but Edwards got three of the seven delegates in our caucus. His supporters here were/are diehards. Most of them were for Edwards from 2003. I think it might make a difference to them if Edwards endorsed.
And before anyone laughs about how the caucus was over 1/3, our county convention is coming up on March 15. Those three Edwards delegates will have a decision to make, as will I, the Biden delegate. I will support Obama. There are conventions all over Iowa in the next month, where the delegates will be voted on. Some of them will go to Denver.
It isn’t just Iowa where this matters. All the caucus states have procedures for turning caucus votes into delegates. Anyone can go to a local convention, and if you wanna keep ‘em honest, you should go.
Preview is your friend, Doc.
Digging, planting. Planting, digging. It’s been in the 80’s this week.
Oh, can’t have that.
locked and loaded, ma’am.
BTW, Huck gave another very scary speech today. Lots of religion. Lots about those wonderful 10 comandments, which are all we need.
Now we have basketball fever to look forward to.
Hiya Betsy!
Stomp. Them. OUT!!!!!!
most of all when I click on it!
I thought that John said he didn’t intend to play “kingmaker” when he suspended his campaign? So all this talk of an endorsement at such a critical point of the race seems strange. If anything I’d think that he might release whatever delegates he has accrued.
I would certainly hope that he hasn’t decided to endorse someone because he has been offered a cabinet or VP spot at this point. It would appear his endorsement was “bought”.
Sipping on a nice Chiante Classico and enjoying the evening!
Yeah, who needs a constitution?
I call it the peterr prayer and find it works when chanted
preview is your friend
preview is your friend
preview is your friend
been in the 80’s where i’m at too. i just can’t get used to this kind of whether. i’ll take it. but it’s just weird.
I believe Edwards would make a truly outstanding attorney general.
I would hope he would be prepared (and have the backing of the prez) to prosecute some members of the current administration for their crimes against the American people.
Thank you for explaining your thinking. It sounds like Edwards would do best to wait and endorse the nominee — wholeheartedly — if an endorsement now would only change the degree of support which would obtain.
I’m not sure how many folks he moves. If there was more money out there from his supporters, wouldn’t they have donated to Edwards’ campaign when it counted? Would an endorsement make folks get up and work, knock on doors, make phone calls?
And in what states would his endorsement matter?
AG perhaps… Department of Interior or HHS or something where he can fight poverty.
Was and remain an Edwards supporter. In government or in the private sector, I fully expect he’ll be a leader worth following. In the ND primary I voted Obama…a tough choice. I considered voting Edwards.
Who I do NOT support are the TweetyBeard media…on full display in their latest, one Katie Couric: Obama’s great, what are you? pretty much summed up her segment on Clinton tonight on 60 Minutes. Cloying smarm.
Clinton persuaded me to give hot peppers a try…I suspect I’d be happy to do likewise for her if she’s the nominee.
And Elizabeth Edwards ab-so-lute-ly rawks. I dunno who her gabby “friend” is, but I suspect Elizabeth will find out.
hey!!! is the spell check working?????!!!!!!
wangdang and BFL, it’s 18F here — spring ain’t sprung yet.
I made a small contribution to the Edwards campaign and am still hoping to get my Edwards yard sign and bumper sticker.
Would his endorsement matter?
Probably in the long run, but in the the short term I hope he doesn’t endorse too soon.
No matter who ends up as the dem candidate, I’d like to see him in a position to influence the next administration.
He’d make a great VP (especially if he continues the trend of VP running special ops from the WH.)
Best for him to hold back until his endorsement makes the most amount of difference, even if that’s a month or two from now.
Night all.
You de best.
I would like to see someone like fitz or comey or goldsmith as ag and have edwards working health and human services or whatever that dept is called.
Where are you that 80 is weird this time of year?
why not vp?
42-30 NFC over AFC here in the Isles… *ducking* 8-P
The City Beautiful.
Apparently not.
They. Stomp. Them. OUT!!!!
Football Giants only had 1 guy in the game. That’s cool.
That’s why I’m down here!
Hi Susan! The subsequential processes — which are entirely invisible in the Traditional Media — are very important, as you point out. But will folks make their own decisions, or feel bound by an endorsement, I wonder?
I wish there was more sunlight on and information about these ongoing conventions and “upstream” delegate selections.
Edwards was my first choice, but no, endorsements don’t mean much to me. I’ve already made up my mind.
HRC should be trying to get Feingold’s endorsement, and perhaps Elizabeth Edwards. And maybe Jim Webb and John Tester. I don’t think Edward’s supporters are going to pay much attention to his endorsement when it comes to actually voting. Edward’s could be an asset if he went out and actually campaigned for one or the other, and that isn’t going to happen.
Windchill made it up above -40C today. That is progress.
And this is where? (Pardon my ig).
Why do I get the feeling that he won’t do that?
Fitz as the next AG would be awesome.
Bush in another tizzy: The Guardian
I second that emotion.
that would be fine if newprez would make that department a high proirity and really give him some power to get things done. I’d hate to see him waste away in bureaucratic Siberia, if that were not the case.
TWO friends, according to CNN.
Which may make it easier for Elizabeth to narrow it down. *g*
I don’t hold out a whole lot of hope for the working class with Edwards out of the race.
Teddy, although the vote here in CA is over…
Edwards’ reasons for his endorsement could help persuade me about one or the other Dem Senator (assuming the reasons were, well – reasoned….not a Dem version of Rethugs’ [wo]man-love)
Now that is just forking stupid.
That is pure bull manure… The sheer audacity shows no limits with this Maladministration…
wang, whereabouts are you?
(nowhere near a fridge, I hope)
I wonder if this will be widely reported in US media. mentioned in the previous thread, more news reporting from overseas would open the eyes of many.
I agree with many on here that have said to sit back and wait until
the Convention time….he will still have a wedge to get his positions
carried out. Even though he was out of contention, I still voted for him
in the MA primary last week…in our town alone he got nearly 300 votes…
I don’t think his endorsement at this point would sway many people…but
closer to the convention might have some thinking. I am tending towards
Obama at the moment as I think he can cause some changes….I still don’t
like the fact that Hillary has so many ties to DC….I don’t trust anyone
down there anymore.
Maureen
The discussions Edwards is having seem to center on his passion for speaking for the “voiceless.” I’m not sure what kind of iron-clad guarantees he can get from either candidate with regard to the “voiceless” but I hear echoes of JRE in both candidates’ speeches, as did other pups last nite.
I have been an Edwards supporter since the last election. Don’t you people remember in the debate when John talked at Obama about his ties to Nuclear Industry and the fact that they were helping to finance his campaign. John is against Nuclear Reactors but not your boy Obama, he thinks thats clean energy, and by God he will trust them to regulate themselves. I doubt John Edwards will be endorsing Mr Obama.
I think Paraguay should do a really deep background investigation on boosh before allowing him to set foot in that country for his self-imposed non-extraditable exile to his new ranch in that nation. e.g., past drug use, how many people has he tortured, how many innocent civilians has he murdered, etc.
i’ll put this up on the news ticker – thanks
Perhaps North Carolina and West Virginia. Maybe a l;ittle in Pennsylvania if he actually went out and campaigned for whomever he endorsed. I think that Obama will have Virginia and Maryland wrapped up but maybe Edwards is doing this now to assist Hillary in Virginia by reducing her losses. IF he endorses Hillary. That’s what worries me.
But he may find it a good time to endorse Obama at a time when his endorsement can’t be accused of having a major influence on an immediate election.
Come to think about it now would be a good time for an Obama endorsement by Edwards without stepping on Hillary’s toes too much. If he did it any later she’d be bitter that he did so to wreck her chances in Ohio or Pennsylvania. But because the next few weeks look “all Obama” his endorsement of Obama won’t affect things too much. If he waits off, it will. Maybe he told Clinton he’d hold off until after Super Tuesday and last weeks Primaries as a courtesy to her, but was going to endorse Obama.
I’ll keep you posted…
Hi Maureen!
We don’t call Senator Obama “boy” or Senator Clinton “girl” hereabouts, but welcome.
Austin. Texas. Y’all. Steering clear of the fridge.
To give a little perspective, 90% of flights from Europe to the Far East fly over Alaska, folks…
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Probably not.
Bob in HI
I hope they’re not just sucking up for Le Endorsemento.
First thing the next administration should do is seek an extradition treaty with Paraguay.
How much could that cost (in payoffs?)
Put it on our national Mastercard.
Priceless.
Hi Bob, so how would his endorsement matter if it probably wouldn’t sway your vote?
LOL! Abercrombie was here in Hilo yesterday, campaigning for Obama, Bob!
Edwards voted in favor of the Yucca Flats storage facility in Nevada, essential to the Nuclear Industry being able to expand their facilities in many States.
Bush orders clampdown on flights to US
I don’t get it. Why do people still want to come?
We’ve become the sort of nation the State Department used to warn us about.
An Edward’s endorsement will not be worth much, unless he goes out and campaigns for you.
What do you expect him to say? “Yes, I’m going to be a kingmaker”? If you want to be a kingmaker, you can’t just come right out and say it. You gotta be coy about it.
Bob in HI
I really can’t see Feingold endorsing Clinton. He was against the War, against the Patriot Act, against the Iran as a terriost state vote, and against the flag burning adm. Feignold never panders or triangulates. I think his politics are not at all like Hillarys. He just thinks differently.
As for the Edwards endorsement. Obama is the only logical choice. He said that he and Obama were the “change” candidates and Hillary was the “status quo.” He also strongly critized her judgement on the Iran vote. If he were to endorse her over Obama, it would damage the credibility of his own words.
Bush orders clampdown on flights to US
“what are we gonna do now?
…
You start wearing the blue and brown and
You’re working for the clampdown
So you got someone to boss around
It makes you feel big now
You drift until you brutalize”
(Clash)
Yep! ‘State Sponsors of Terrorism’!
Health and human services.
welcome to the machine
Something was wrong over at TPM earlier today. I wanted to include Greg Sargent’s reporting on John Edwards’ endorsement in my post, but I couldn’t get into the site. Here’s his report now:
I din’t read the whole story, but Austin opted out of the second South Texas Nukular plant. Too risky, according to the headline…
Given what I know about the first one, no duh.
When a Canadian Court rules that America can be hostile to refugees, it should give every American an idea how far down the wrong path your Government has ventured.
I don’t. And I won’t.
W: Fink Ployed
the demo party rules in my state are such that even if Edwards had received 15 percent support in my local caucus to be “viable” to have delegates allocated to him (which he did not), it would have been a futile gesture to vote for him because it was pretty certain he would not have received 15 percent support throughout the congressional district, and thus would not have been eligible to elect any actual delegates to Denver.
the rules did not provide any opportunity for any Edwards delegates elected at the local caucus to the district convention to switch to another candidate at the district level (if Edwards failed to achieve 15 percent there), thus their efforts would have been wasted.
I am going to remember these facts and bring them to the attention of the state party apparatus three years or so from now when they are adopting their delegate selection rules for 2012. Delegates from the local caucus whose candidate has dropped out of the race should have an opportunity to switch to their second choice of candidate at the next level, not just be disenfranchised as they would have been under the current rules.
Why ever not … you could get a free trip to Syria !
Freedom, freedom, we will not obey..
Where are all my friends?
Freedom, freedom, we will not obey.
But everyone’s money spends so much farther here nowadays.
We could just call it “foreign aid.” You know, for the War on Terror, or something.
I was for Edwards from the beginning, and I was royally ticked off that he withdrew before our primary. I voted for Obama instead, because I think that Hilary can’t win a general election despite the R candidates being awful. Too many people can’t stand her. I don’t see how Edwards endorsing her is going to change that, and I don’t see the up side for him of endorsing either one of them in such a close race. He should hold on to his endorsement until the convention, and see the lay of the delegate land at that time. If he can use his delegates to support the popular vote winner and avoid a floor fight, great. Otherwise, he should free his delegates to vote their consciences.
Obama is gaining momentum, particularly with such a great weekend (5 to 0 for Senator O). This would add to the momentum. Momentum gets you more momentum with the press, the TV media, etc. It feeds on itself. Especially with Hillary having money trouble, staff shakeup and 5 losses, an endorsement could help.
Bush is going to require visas soon for blog comments originating from outside the US of A. Might want to get ready for customs inspections of your comments!
Even that Loonie money they have…! ;-)
I have family members moving to the US for work and I really wish they were not.
“Hi Bob, so how would his endorsement matter if it probably wouldn’t sway your vote?”
Geez, you’re quick!
I value his endorsement because I was one of his supporters.
But right now, I’m supporting Obama. So what if he decided to support Hillary? My first answer was “maybe,” but then I changed that to “probably not.” I guess my answer is that one of the few things that could convince me to vote for Hillary would be an Edwards endorsement plus a good explanation.
Bob in HI
((( TaaaayyDeeeeee Beeaaaaarrr )))
Edwards will endorse … Gore, at the Convention … I have the audacity to Hope or so I’ve been told …
G’nite pups. Gotta rest up for the new job tomorrow.
Time to buy a copy of V for Vendetta.
ha! my mom called tonight – her usual sunday call – and said the first time she called, it rang once and then disconnected. i told her my nsa handler musta been changing the tape recorder.
Which is why this is a really stupid time to make the life of travellers to the US more difficult.
I wonder what Bush is trying to bargain/threaten for.
“Visa, FISA, Foe-zuh, Fum…. I smell the blog of an Englishman”
*waving g’nite to the leaving sleepy pups*
Not to be relentlessly on-topic, but Mark Halperin claims to have “more on Edwards’ meetings with Clinton and Obama,” but it’s not more, really:
I did enjoy the “Elizabeth Edwards” line in the midst of his report — a clear shot at CNN’s required UPDATE.
* Fewer than 30 delegates are pledged to Edwards, which in overall numbers doesn’t amount to a fart in a hurricane.
* Both Hillary and Barack are hurting for credibility with the liberal/progressive base of their party, and an endorsement from Edwards could help in spite of his not-so-progressive voting record.
* I predict that Obama will enter the convention with a majority of the pledged delegates but will lose the nomination due to the influence of the Israel lobby on the super delegates. I’m not saying that it is unfair or unethical for The Lobby to support the candidate most favorable to Israel. I’m simply saying that The Lobby is very effective with the Democratic leadership and strongly favors Hillary: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p…..Page.jhtml
Aloha, WDD!
I think an Edwards endorsement would mean more for Obama than Clinton. Most of the Edwards supporters would head straight for the “Change” signs if Edwards went for Obama. Hillary not so much. If Edwards supports Hillary it might give her a day or two of headlines where with Obama it would add more significantly to his already huge momentum. Other than that, I don’t think an Edwards endorsement will matter to the mainstream voter anymore than the Kennedys endorsing Obama did as far as garnering extra votes.
anyone who would put Edwards on the Supreme Court would get my vote.
I was an Edwards supporter and was going to vote for him in CA even after he dropped out. HRC vote on Iraq was the big negative for her, but I still liked her and OB, as well.
Wolfson’s announcement that HRC would do Fox debate settled me to vote for OB.
I don’t think an Edwards endorsement alone would sway my vote. It would be the content of his argument.
Good luck! Bring a good pen, tomorrow is all paperwork anyway….
Now that is a very gloomy but quite plausible prediction.
Raw Story running a piece on why the goopers are doing everything they can to make sure that Obama is the nominee. Interesting.
Well, if more Europeans/Canadians travel to the U.S. and talk to his “base”, the Neocons might lose some supporters …
Cute!
goodnight, wang.
….and keep one eye open for the appliance that can not be named – they only move at night
(well, that is to say i’ve never seen them moving in daytime)
kirk, are you becoming fridge-phobic?
Hello, punaise.
…and time to listen to this
G’nite all, have a safe and happy week !
Please don’t kill the messenger. Sigh!
I think an Edwards endorsement would have helped me to decide once and for all with respect to who I would caucus for.
As it turned out, I leaned towards Obama, but stuck with my original plan of skipping the caucus and supporting the eventual nominee.
I have no idea what you are referring to. I was speaking about JE’s Senate vote for the Nuclear Repository at Yucca Flats, Nevada back in 2002. Despite intense lobbying by anti-nuclear groups and a pledge to oppose the site, he reversed himself after speaking with lobbyists from the nuke industry, arguing that the 6 reactors in North Carolina needed some place to store waste.
It’s true that Edwards now says that he regrets that vote (a statement made at the Nevada debate where Yucca Flats is a “hot issue”) and opposes the use of Nuclear power to reduce energy dependance on ME oil and to reduce the production of Greenhouse gases. Obama says that he would go with the Scientific view on safety and storage issues and that nuclear power might be part of a mix of energy options, but he would emphasize solar and non-food bio-fuels (like switchgrass). Clinton evaded the question about nuclear energy IMO, and simply focused on sustainable energy options.
I can’t tell.
I shiver whenever I walk in the kitchen, but they be from the tub of ice I’ve been keeping the persiahbles in.
that’s funny, I keep hearing how they are doing everything they can go make Clinton the nominee ’cause they want to run against her…
Aloha, Petro! I hope ya find a publisher pretty quick…! 8-)
Interesting commentary again from the Guardian by Simon Schama in Atlanta
Saturday February 9, 2008
Messy – and brilliant Super Tuesday left Republicans reeling and Democrats contemplating many more months of bruising combat. But this is exactly how democracy is supposed to work
that may be from the tub of ice I’ve been keeping the perishables in.
(the pariahables just had to go…)
Are delegates actually bound to the candidate they were pledged to if the latter drops out? If so, that’s screwy?
Talked to an Uber gooper friend before the california primary- he crossed over and voted for Obama- to help make sure that Hillary would not be the nominee. His brother is one of the gooper cable teevee talking heads.
I think they want Obama and badly- I don’t know why.
Keith Olbermann as the next press secretary would be awesome too.
Yes (in this case Edwards dropped out prior to the caucus, but a few of his supporters thought there was value in carrying his banner forward. But they would not have been able, for example, to make a deal with the Obama forces at the district level to get an Edwards supporter elected as an Obama delegate in exchange for the votes for Obama of Edwards supporters; they would have just been out of luck. They could only have done that during the first round of the local caucus).
Goopers may think that no matter what they say- americans will NOT vote for an african american for president-or maybe they think they have some deadly dirt on Obama- don’t know.
hey there, TSF!
Edwards was always MY second choice, so yes, it matters to me, BUT it won’t effect how I vote. He certainly would do well, IMHO, placed in any of several cabinet position, or elsewhere in the new administration. He would have been a good president. Just wasn’t able to stand up against stellar others and a slanted media.
nope, i want KO right where he is – although with a d president, i do have dreams of his bushed series being expanded to a daytime show called ‘impeachment hearings’
Interesting at the podium. But I wouldn’t wish that on folks I dislike :-)
Hi Loo Hoo!
I would even be willing to Pay-Per-View for that show…
sounds good to me. we gonna live blog it right here?
I agree it would add to momentum, but not as much as it would a week before the Ohio, Pennsylvania primaries. Obama will get lots of momentum from the Potomac Primaries and Edwards announcing at this moment will actually be somewhat muted.
I suspect that if he is announcing now its actually to avoid too much influence on the races. Imagine if he had done this before Super Tuesday. Or even last week when Washington, Maine, and Nebraska were in play. The Potomac States are pretty much Obamas…Edwards endorsement won’t shift things too much.
I think he told Hillary “I’m going to endorse Obama”, and he agreed to wait until this time simply because it would have minimal impact on the race. An endorsement anytime before, or much after, would tend to have a much greater “shock impact”.
iirc, it was carried for free on the network channels 30 odd years ago. maybe we can convince them to do it again but include all the cable channels this time.
Why would Bushco go after the tourist industry? This I cannot figure out.
nope, i want KO right where he is …
it’s not as if things will all of the sudden be peachy with a Dem admin. things will be better (by orders of magnitude) but there will still be feet to be held to the fire, regardless.
More than an hour into this discussion, I’d like to thank everyone for keeping it civil, polite, and about the issues, rather than the personalities. I know some people are fiercely adherent — more so, perhaps, for seeing our favorite candidate drop out — and it makes discussions about the presidential primary hard-edged.
But this is a wonderful community, one that I treasure for our ability to discuss the fate of our country without banging each other over the head with kitchenware.
With talk of a long nominating season, I’m thinking of greyhounds lured to keep going past the sprint they expected…
Teddy, is it possible Edwards may be choosing to stay just out of reach – pulling both candiates from the (near) right to the progressive center?
(in this model,the greyhounds are running widdershins – Edwards along the inner rail, drawing them left.
and “campaign contributions” equal dogfood.)
because he wants to – and because he can – in other words, his usual motivators.
terrorist, tourist — it all sounds the same in his fake Texas accent.
The True will set you free – The New York Times
i think of the movie, they shoot horses don’t they, and those dance until you drop dances people did out of desperation.
Tourists are foreign.
Dayam, pun.
So who do we have to elect to stop torture if the Dmes will do it, too?
I was in my first year of community college and used to come home from school and watch the Watergate hearings for the rest of the day. It added a lot to my formal education, and was quite entertaining as well.
We need to raise a new generation of impeachment hearing fans.
I find that the tone of the post strongly influences the tone of the thread.
F*%k You.
-G
Thanks- this president has absolutely NO management ability- and that is why damned near EVERYTHING is fucked up in this government right now. The article you posted reinforces everything we’ve heard about this incompetent bozo.
I just sent this to Huffington Post
I am so distressed by the tone of your blog (Huffington Post)any more. Your vitriol and uncivilized discourse aimed at Hillary are enough to make me cry. Excuse me. Is this the outcome you teach your girls in “Becoming Fearless” to attack a woman who has the courage and fortitude and intelligence to run for President of the US? I have watched Hillary over the years. I have never seen her come close to the nastiness both you and this blog display. You have shown more civility to GW Bush than you have to her and Bill Clinton. Remember how positive you were in your GOP worshipping days? Could you please step back a second and think about your hatred of Hillary and Bill. I find it over the top. It is as if you have returned to those days of yore and reverted to the Arianna of old. You are helping split the Democrats like they have never been split before. Obama, the man who claims to be a uniter has a hand in this split. His hands are far from clean. I am certain his campaign had a strategy of laying in wait to destroy Bill, and in turn it would allow him to destroy her campaign. His cries of racism were out of line and he used false arguments and half truths and lies to distort many things to lay claim to being a victim of their racism. PLEASE. He has been let off scott free from any GOP or press scrutiny. His biggest liability is the fact that his accomplishments are so slim as to be nearly non-existent. He has done so little that he doesn’t even have a failure to rely on to test his mettle. Excuse me if I don’t jump on a bandwagon of hope and change. I am very leary of charismatic leaders and what they do to crowds. People want to fall in love. They have about as many analytical skills as a turnip anymore. It is like listening to Bushbots. You are either for us or you are against us. It is sick and dangerous. Hillary, for all her faults has many, many qualities that I think will serve this country well. Barrack, I am not so sure. When the GOP put their sights on him he will be shell shocked. He thinks he is running such a great campaign. Well it is easy to run a good campaign when the media annoints you and the GOP lays off you. As it stands now, he is barely beating McCain. And he has had no scrutiny at all from the king of sleaze, Rove. Just wait. He will not win any southern states or border states. And even states like PA will be in play. At least with Hillary, all the negatives will be old news. Obama will be hit with shit and it will be new and different. The media love nothing better than to build one up and then tear them down. They do it for sport and they do it for their bosses. The media hates the Clinton’s because they could not defeat them. They threw everthing they had at them, but failed. And now the Democrats have done to them what the GOP couldn’t.
Don’t you think if the Clintons were so horribly corrupt they would have been able to accumulate a little more than 5 to 20 million dollars in net worth after 35 years in public life?
I bet they are not worth what you are, Arianna? I think Obama has a house worth more than the Clinton’s. How did that happen?
And to top it off I saw this ad on your site. SICK
Hillary Clinton Toilet
Bowl Brush Cleaners. Put the First Lady to Work in the Bathroom!
http://www.Teptronics.com/ClintonBowlBuddy
SHAME!!!!
Turns out it wasn’t a dirty bomb, it was a dirty bum.
Suspected dirty bomb radiation turns out to be a chemo patients turd in a porta potty.
-G
We must give up our civil liberties to help our government protect us from the tourists.
I find that the tone of the post strongly influences the tone of the thread.
Teddy runs a pretty toney establishment…
that he does.
hi alibe50
we tend to prefer that folks keep their disagreements with other blogs at the other blog and not here.
Me, too. I was a life guard that summer. Worked the early shift and would spend the rest of the day watching the hearings.
The night Nixon resigned, we had a big party at my sorority house. Lots of people over to watch his statement, then partied. I wouldn’t want my own children to miss out on what we had. Impeach, now.
They are drunk on power. I had said some time back that the massive security apparatus that has been directed outward would turn inward before Bush left office.
It is beginning. It will be getting worse as the year moves on.
-G
Edwards endorsement will not influence my primary vote as I already voted- For Him!
That’s what I’m talkin’ about.
Why do I keep having deja vu when I read over the last 100 comments?
Anyway, I think Edwards should not endorse Hillary. Her campaign is sinking, and if he endorsed her, and she lost anyway, what good does that do him?
I think Obama, feeling the big Mo, doesn’t think he needs Edwards. Anyway, it would be a huge gamble for him to endorse either front-runner at this time. It only makes sense if he knows candidate A is going to lose without his support, and can win with his support.
Bob in HI
Hey ya Teddy.
-G
I don’t think that Goopers necessarily have some unified strategy. Some may have crossed over simply because they really HATE Hillary. And in voting for Obama they may have cut their own throats.
I sincerely doubt that there is some “secret disclosure” out there that could be kept secret by tens of thousands of cross-over Republicans saboteurs. If they believe they have anything like this it’s likely the “Obama is a ManchurIslam Candidate”. Which is so stupid that almost everyone other than the extremist nutcases themselves (and likely not these folks either) actually believe it. Maybe some believe they can use his teenage drug use as a lever. Or the Rezko stuff.
yes, as I said earlier…TSF!!!
BushCo has been messing with the Tourist trade since 911…. TSA, the water/liquid resitricts, cute little RFI chipped passports, forcing foreign airports to enforce OUR water restriction. How about the need to get permission before you can even fly domestically.
Now with our dollar in the toilet…. one source of income would be Europeans coming over to buy our cheep stuff…. BUT we want all their info, all their family info….
I think Keith is way too candid to be a mouthpiece for the prez.
Wouldn’t work for either.
Better he should keep doin’ what he’s doin’. (with more Rachel Maddow.)
yes. and more cowbell.
Yes and yes. I’ve already voted in the primary, but I am still considering how much energy to put into the general election. I would want to know not only Edwards’ choice but why that person is the one to carry his ideas forward. Of course I will *vote* for the Dem but how hard will I work for them?
Hey G
I like this quote from the article – “pragmatism vs. idealism.” nice summary of H vs. B.
I expect to work hard in the general- whover the nominee is- to keep McBush out of the WHITE HOUSE.
more cowbell
Oh..the Joint Terrorist Task Force.
When the FBI came to SF to protect us all from the like of Josh Wolf, the local defense bar recognized one of the JTTF officers as being on the Portland JTTF.
The same incitement strategy described in the Rolling Stone article was used by the paid FBI infiltrator/informer Anna – she paid for the house and transport for three young men (one of whom she misled into becoming her lover), pushed plans to sabotage eco-tragets, drove the men to buy the bomb-making supplies she requested (and paid for)…
and sat in the car while the FBI arrested her marks.
Hey – we just needed the message that we’re being cared for – right?
Jawohl.
McBush out Bush’s Bush with his 100 years in Irag bullshit. No Way!!!
you can never have enough cowbell…
no such thang as too much cowbell
Teddy,
Man of the Hour, I salute you. Love Sunday Late Nite.
OT-Where does Christy live? She’s nowhere near the fire, I hope.
Especially the ones from the Great White North. They have been eyeing Minnesota for a while now.
I seem to be in the odd position of being an Edwards supporter who thinks that on poverty and economic issues Clinton is better than Obama. I think people are getting caught up in the optics and identity stuff a bit too much–if Krugman has problems with Obama on economic issues, so do I. And, as far as that goes, I’ve read his policies and they are slightly to the right of Clinton’s in my judgement.
Which is not to say Obama wouldn’t make a fine nominee and fine president, he would. The difference is marginal. But it does, in my opinion, exist.
Will Edwards endorsement matter? I think a little bit, and more to Clinton than to Obama. But if he really wanted to be kingmaker he should have stayed in the race.
you talking about the fires in VA and the Carolinas? CHS is in West VA
…and we really need to watch out for those eco-tourists.
Thanks.
Like others, I was going to vote for Edwards, but he dropped out, saving me a wasted vote. So — it’s obvious I admire him in many respects. But sway my choice of Obama or Clinton? No.
Hell no. We’re gonna take over someplace warm.
tourists are better than won.
Good question. Per Glenzilla:
IMHO, the answer to your question is: “better Dems.” And, I agree, that isn’t easy. I simply don’t see a viable alternative.
groan (nice to have ya working your word magic, pun)
Hmmm! The Clintons only have 5-20 million in net worth? How in blazes was Hillary able to loan her campaign $5 million without even disposing of any assets? And Obama’s house cost them a bit under $1.3 million using a 30-year mortgage (Michelle Obama is an upper level administrator at the University of Chicago Hospitals). I have no idea what the Clinton’s house and apartments are valued at. But neither fact indicates any “corruption”.
I’m frankly surprised that you would suggest as much in a letter arguing that someone is using GOP attacks.
As OKKiddo sez.
Pass it on.
we need to defeat the tourists over there so we won’t have to fight them over here
Thank you, and hello Christine!
If you liked Bush, you’ll love McCain!
-G
Mississippi?
Deserving of a Firestorm?
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002353
no tourists in the skies above ‘murikan soil
Well, maybe not quite that warm. And with better hotels.
Y’know there hasn’t been a single tourist attack since 911! So how dare we criticize the policies of our Fearless Phosdick?
I have to agree. They are like two bell-shaped curves. Similar midpoints, but Obama is the flatter curve: greater chance of being great, and greater chance of being horrible. We pretty much know what another Clinton administration would be (but without the dot-com boom to balance the budget).
I wonder if Edwards would therefore be able to extract more from Obama than from Clinton. If Clinton really is closer to JRE on economics, maybe we need him to endorse Obama, and have Obama pay the price of that endorsement in modifying his health plan.
Just a thought.
we need to defeat the tourists over there so we won’t have to fight them over here
you go to war with the tourists you have, not the tourists you wish you had…
“we need to defeat the tourists over there so we won’t have to fight them over here.”
That’s what my sister’s Tlingit husband sez. And when he says “tourists” sometimes it sounds like “terrorists”. Maybe that’s because too much of his tongue is in his cheek?
Bob in HI
I will remember that when I arrive in Costa Rica on Wednesday. And I will think about wile I am defeating beers on the beach.
Kevin Drum
wow
It has become clear that we need to erect a giant wall around our borders to keep ALL the tourists out–and protect Amurikan souvenirs.
Unless the neocons are comfortable with Hillary, they need McCain. And they are perfectly capable of engineering an October surprise.
The last few times I have arrived back in the usa from an international flight, I was encouraged to say that I was happy to be back in the homeland. It was weird…
yeap, another worry of mine
By whom?
Encouraged by whom?
No kidding. Customs, Loo Hoo?
I don’t know if he could endorse his health plan without looking weak. But his other economic policies could shift left without it being a big deal.
Chimpy is down to 26% approval in NH. NH the one time most Republican state in the nation has the sitting GOP president in Ted Bundy territory.
-G
I’m with you there, Ian… I moved from Edwards to vote for Clinton last Tuesday…
My primary here in Oregon is in May. I feel like my mind is made up and an Edwards endorsement won’t change it. It really does seem to be in the voters’ hands right now. I’d like to see the heavyweights hold their endorsements at least until the people decide, and consider choosing not to endorse if it runs counter to whoever is leading.
But the dot-com boom was strongly encouraged by the Clinton administration in a number of ways. I agree about Obama, he’s a real gamble and I fear that people are reading into him. Clinton we know what we’re getting.
I just had an email from Jennifer Laesch updating me on the John Laesch campaign’s status, so I will share it with you:
Yeah. He does seem to be a perfect vehicle for projection.
But so is Clinton, in a very different sort of way.
I also found Clinton stronger on education issues – in particular special education, health care and her position of allowing reimportation of prescription drugs…
Agreed. And if I may be blunt, I trust Hillary more to “reach across”, not “reach around.” Sick and tired of treating these folks like friendlies.
Yes!
No more tour buses screwing up Westwood Blvd so these people from somewhere else (clutches pearls) can pose in front of the UCLA sign and do their funny talk.
Bwahahaha -
at last…an enemy worthy of the Joint Terrrorist Task Force
[memo to tourists: don’t let Anna buy you lunch. Ask Eric McDavid.
In the Homeland, entrapment is the new patriotism.
And Green is the New Red]
Specifically, it was set off by legislation put through by Al Gore a few years before, and by Al’s proselytizing immediately after the inaguaration. By March 1993, there were whole bookshelves at Barnes-and-Nobel filled with Internet books. He didn’t invent the Internet, like Saint Paul didn’t invent Christianity!
Have I lost my commenting abilities? Two of my comments have not posted.
ofg – they poofed into nsa air – i checked and they are not caught in any filters
I guess it’s my computer. It’s been sorta twitchy lately.
Yes, I cannot not see that question.
-G
hi OFG!
I know a lawyer for one of the defendants
hiya ofg!
can you share any observations the lawyer may shared with you, john?
Here’s a story on the case
He wouldn’t divulge anything – too good for that ;-)
He’s very well respected. He’s argued in front of SCOTUS
My vote at the Presidential level is not based strictly on looking at an issues list and placing check marks next to each issue to see who is better. There are important leadership and trust issues for me. I no longer trust the Clintons. And I was a HUGE supporter of Bill in 1991 and 1992 as his primary efforts were gearing up.
But all the DLC triangulation tactics have severely turned me off. Bill immediately caved in on the gays in the military issue. Then Hillary caved on health care and never returned it. And more recently, Hillary decided to co-sponsor a flag burning bill with a Rethuglican. I’ve “had enough”.
I’ll vote for her in the General if I have to, though.
great article, john – it even draws the link between Anna and the FBI’s informant in the farcical entrapment of the Hatians described in the Rolling Stone article GregB linked to above.
I also was an Edwards supporter and after his departure had to REALLY study upon both candidates. Some things were preferable on HRC’s side, some on BO’s side. I will say that being the child of immigrants, I like BO’s take on immigration much better so I moved firmly over to his side. As many others have stated, I will support the nominated candidate in the GE.
Kirk. That meme is at least 55 years old: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants
And here’s the text: http://books.google.com/books?…..-thumbnail
oh yeah, the question. ‘No’ on all fronts
Tactically, I have problems with promising to support the Dem candidate at this point. IMHO, we should hold our feelings hostage, like the conservatives do. We should hold out for say Feingold as VP. YMMV.
I did not know HRC and BHO differed enough on immigration issues to make a difference. Can you say more about the distinction you found between their policies on this?
They are very similar except that part of Obama’s solution is to promote economic development in places like Mexico. I have always believed that if the economic situation were better in Mexico, it would do much to stem the amount of people illegally entering for economic reasons. To a lesser degree the driver’s license, I think that they should have them.
wow wigwam – I had no idea.
thanks.
And it sounded all fresh and shiny to us enviros -
when it had really been recycled.
It seemed fairly clear that Edwards was more aligned with Obama through the campaign, especially the NH debate where it almost seemed they ganged up on Clinton.
I wonder if Edwards is letting things shakedown a little more before endorsing for a couple of reasons. If he and Obama are planning to work together (VP?), it makes sense for Edwards to hold out right now since Obama has a ton of momentum on his own, and doesn’t really “need” an Edwards endoresement at the moment. An Edwards endorsement right before TX, OH, or Penn, when Obama needs every boost he can get would help get some votes I think, and perhaps more importantly steal headlines for a day or two.
Even if Edwards personally leans toward Obama, holding out also gives him the opportunity to back Hillary if she starts to become a clear frontrunner (ugh.), and he would help solidify her support going into the General and perhaps have some influence with her. This might explain his good faith efforts with both Clinton and Obama right now.
Whatever Edwards does, it’s not going to effect my decision anymore, and I’m a former Edwards backer.
Here’s a daydream I keep having…
Obama/Edwards vs. McCandyCain/Traitor Joe.
Imagine the VP debates between Edwards and J. Low. That would be comical! Edwards would simply embarrass Senator Small Man Syndrome.
The fact that Traitor Joe said there’s no way he’d be McCandyCain’s running mate basically proves he will be IMO, given Joey ShortRide’s history with telling the truth.
They want to know what John will accept in the administration. I think he is discussing policy for the convention and party planks. hope
John Edwards should not endorse anyone, I would like to see
him as AG in the next administration.
As an Edwards supporter, I now support Obama, so an Edwards endorsement wouldn’t affect my vote.
I do think an endorsement of Obama helps solidify Obama’s progressive change status. I think a Clnton endorsement would seem opportunistic. I also think that Edwards’ support will generally be fragmented: his progressive change message to Obama; his economic populism message– which crosses party lines to inclde some white conservative huckabee-like populists split between obama and clinton, and some even going to Huck. Finally, folks concerned about the details of Edwards health care policy are likely to go to Clinton, because their proposals almost match. The issue of mandates is likely to scrape some edwards supporters away from obama. i happen to think edwards would make a terrific AG!
There are some good things about Obama and there are some good things about Clinton. There are also some bad things about both. I probably lean slightly more towards Obama but if Edwards were to endorse Clinton that would make me sit up and take notice. I would wonder what he knows that I don’t know. So yes, an Edwards endorsement would make a difference for me.
I would like to see
him [Edwards] as AG in the next administration.
That’s the best idea I’ve heard in a long time.
I was a John Edwards supporter in MN. As I had a hard time deciding between Clinton/Obama, his endorsement would have meant something before superTuesday. But he didn’t, and I had to decide who to back, and I chose Obama. I have committed, and his endorsement now will not matter to me.
Yes they did, but twasn’t the media that voted.
For reasons passing my comprehension, Democratic primary voters prefered DLC-types, and that is what we have.
Well, with my state’s primary not until May, we have all the time in the world for Edwards to make his play.
I would LOVE to see him as Attorney General! Or Vice President.
His endoresement would mean something, but one of them picking him up as a running mate would get my vote, definitely.
“John Edwards should not endorse anyone.”
I think that’s on the wish list for Hillary. :0)
And Bonkers@285 might just have nailed it. If Edwards is coming out for Obama, and If Obama feels confident going into Virginia and Maryland and D.C. tomorrow, Barack may want to save him for Texas and Ohio.
Of course, the OTHER shoe is Gore. After 8 years with the Clinton’s, it could be the knockout punch, if HE comes out for Obama. :o)
If Barack wins Texas and Ohio, the pressure on Clinton to get out will start building. In fact, we’ll be hearing some of it tomorrow night, if Obama wins the three contests tomorrow. We may get to see how many of her supporters really ARE interested in “unity”. :o)
At this point, I don’t think many democrats want this to go to a brokered convention, and if one of the candidates is clearly pulling away, there are going to be some democratic heavies weighing in on the side of resolving it before the convention.
If Edwards takes a spot in the next administration, I think it should definitely be A.G. The Veep spot is a political graveyard. And seeing John in the A.G’s office would nebbout be a wet dream come real, for me; and a nightmare for the republicans. :o)