Comments on: Obama Blowing Out Clinton in Maine http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:51:46 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: spbayer http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1266891 spbayer Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:57:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1266891 <p>Obama’s strength in the Midwestern states is not at all surprising as long as you remember one simple fact: Midwestern farmers are part of Obama’s “base”. That was true in 2004, when he won the Illinois Senatorial primary, carrying the South Side of Chicago, the affluent liberals, AND the downstate corn farmers. It is even more true today when his opponent is Sen. Clinton.<br /> When Obama talks about working across the aisle and finding common ground with the Republicans, the Midwestern farmer understands this as common sense. On the other hand, a candidate who says that Republicans are not to be trusted is way off base. Republicans are not a vast right-wing conspiracy, they’re our friends and neighbors (and in-laws).<br /> Senator Clinton’s feminism, which wins her the votes of working women in the Metropolitan areas, means nothing to farm women. There’s no glass ceiling on the farm, just sky. No issue of equal pay for equal work, just work.<br /> And the fact that Obama is black is neither here nor there to the farmers, an interesting fact perhaps, but one that comes with no political baggage. None of the racial politics of the cities has anything to do with farmers.<br /> You can talk about Kenya and Indonesia and Harvard Law and community organizing on the south side, but don’t forget: there’s a whole lot of Kansas in Barack Obama.</p> Obama’s strength in the Midwestern states is not at all surprising as long as you remember one simple fact: Midwestern farmers are part of Obama’s “base”. That was true in 2004, when he won the Illinois Senatorial primary, carrying the South Side of Chicago, the affluent liberals, AND the downstate corn farmers. It is even more true today when his opponent is Sen. Clinton.
When Obama talks about working across the aisle and finding common ground with the Republicans, the Midwestern farmer understands this as common sense. On the other hand, a candidate who says that Republicans are not to be trusted is way off base. Republicans are not a vast right-wing conspiracy, they’re our friends and neighbors (and in-laws).
Senator Clinton’s feminism, which wins her the votes of working women in the Metropolitan areas, means nothing to farm women. There’s no glass ceiling on the farm, just sky. No issue of equal pay for equal work, just work.
And the fact that Obama is black is neither here nor there to the farmers, an interesting fact perhaps, but one that comes with no political baggage. None of the racial politics of the cities has anything to do with farmers.
You can talk about Kenya and Indonesia and Harvard Law and community organizing on the south side, but don’t forget: there’s a whole lot of Kansas in Barack Obama.

]]> By: charlottemom http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1266064 charlottemom Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:05:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1266064 <p>BTW, the Maine caucus numbers (total 3,000 roughly <a href="mailto:O@2" rel="nofollow">O@2</a>,000 and <a href="mailto:H@1400)" rel="nofollow">H@1400)</a> are representative of STATE DELEGATE counts NOT total voters. I believe the voter numbers are close to 40,000</p> BTW, the Maine caucus numbers (total 3,000 roughly O@2,000 and H@1400) are representative of STATE DELEGATE counts NOT total voters. I believe the voter numbers are close to 40,000

]]> By: kenoshaMarge http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265979 kenoshaMarge Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:05:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265979 <p>at 99% it is Obama @ 59% with 2,079 votes and she comes in at 40% with 1,396 voters. How is this in any way representative of the people of the State of Maine? The population of Maine is 1,274,923. And about 3500 voters get to decide? This is why I dislike Caucuses so much. At least this one was on a Sunday so that even working people could participate.</p> at 99% it is Obama @ 59% with 2,079 votes and she comes in at 40% with 1,396 voters. How is this in any way representative of the people of the State of Maine? The population of Maine is 1,274,923. And about 3500 voters get to decide? This is why I dislike Caucuses so much. At least this one was on a Sunday so that even working people could participate.

]]> By: Dismayed http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265730 Dismayed Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:09:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265730 <p>I’m a long time Next Hurrah follower, been having log issues over here - but to pipe in on Texas - I’d say no Hillary does not have it locked up.</p> <p>In the columns I’d say the following, we have a pretty substantial black population which should help O, but we have a HUGE latino population that will tilt in favor of H.</p> <p>However this state is predominately Republican Dallas and Houston in particular, and as we all know the right wingers have beaten on Hillary for years and years, so there are a lot of people around here who just don’t like Hill.</p> <p>Texan’s, as a general rule, are not racist (as opposed to Oklahoma, where they are very racist, but don’t like to admit it - I’ve lived twenty years in each state, so I know both pretty well) That cuts in Obama’s favor and is the primary reason he did so poorly in OK - they don’t really like Hillary that much up there either.</p> <p>If it weren’t for the big latino population in TX I’d say Obama would win, but with the way the latin vote has been going it’s anybody’s guess. Obama needs to reach out the Texas Latino’s big time. Most of the latinos I know here don’t like the war, so perhaps he can build on that with them.</p> <p>That’s my two cents - I don’t think Hill can count on Texas. It’s up for grabs as far as I can tell.</p> I’m a long time Next Hurrah follower, been having log issues over here – but to pipe in on Texas – I’d say no Hillary does not have it locked up.

In the columns I’d say the following, we have a pretty substantial black population which should help O, but we have a HUGE latino population that will tilt in favor of H.

However this state is predominately Republican Dallas and Houston in particular, and as we all know the right wingers have beaten on Hillary for years and years, so there are a lot of people around here who just don’t like Hill.

Texan’s, as a general rule, are not racist (as opposed to Oklahoma, where they are very racist, but don’t like to admit it – I’ve lived twenty years in each state, so I know both pretty well) That cuts in Obama’s favor and is the primary reason he did so poorly in OK – they don’t really like Hillary that much up there either.

If it weren’t for the big latino population in TX I’d say Obama would win, but with the way the latin vote has been going it’s anybody’s guess. Obama needs to reach out the Texas Latino’s big time. Most of the latinos I know here don’t like the war, so perhaps he can build on that with them.

That’s my two cents – I don’t think Hill can count on Texas. It’s up for grabs as far as I can tell.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265683 4jkb4ia Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:27:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265683 <p>Caucuses–community organizing; appealing to professional activists. People have said this.</p> <p>Obama is from Illinois. He has gotten people in rural Illinois and southern Illinois to buy into him as a senator. Not to insult Jane, but I am not sure we would be asking why Obama was taking the Midwestern states if he was white. Also stereotypically Midwestern values are about “solving problems” rather than “scoring points”. Being a Democrat isn’t a cultural thing in these states as much as a belief about how government can solve problems.</p> Caucuses–community organizing; appealing to professional activists. People have said this.

Obama is from Illinois. He has gotten people in rural Illinois and southern Illinois to buy into him as a senator. Not to insult Jane, but I am not sure we would be asking why Obama was taking the Midwestern states if he was white. Also stereotypically Midwestern values are about “solving problems” rather than “scoring points”. Being a Democrat isn’t a cultural thing in these states as much as a belief about how government can solve problems.

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265558 tanbark Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:18:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265558 <p>MarkH; I don’t think he sucks at all. I think he’s a huge winner for our side, and if he continues winning, I think in the general, he’ll shred John McCain’s ass like it was lettuce. :o)</p> <p> I also think we’re on the verge of making some serious political history. </p> <p>At this point, I’m really not missing Edwards so much. I don’t think he could do what Obama has done. :o)</p> MarkH; I don’t think he sucks at all. I think he’s a huge winner for our side, and if he continues winning, I think in the general, he’ll shred John McCain’s ass like it was lettuce. :o)

I also think we’re on the verge of making some serious political history.

At this point, I’m really not missing Edwards so much. I don’t think he could do what Obama has done. :o)

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265553 tanbark Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:15:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265553 <p>Jane, thanks for the clickback. Nothin’ against your flexing your impressive analytical skills.</p> <p>I just think we’re getting close to the point that the impetus for making Obama our nominee is becoming very strong. </p> <p>But, we’ll know more about that Tuesday night. </p> <p>And again, who’s she going to “debate” on Faux, tomorrow night? </p> <p>Giuliani? :o)</p> Jane, thanks for the clickback. Nothin’ against your flexing your impressive analytical skills.

I just think we’re getting close to the point that the impetus for making Obama our nominee is becoming very strong.

But, we’ll know more about that Tuesday night.

And again, who’s she going to “debate” on Faux, tomorrow night?

Giuliani? :o)

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265351 MarkH Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:10:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265351 <p>This love affair between Obama and his supporters is quite something. But, sorry to say, their candidate sucks.</p> <p>Of course, Hillary sucks more, so who can blame them (Obama cult members) at this point.</p> <p>Man, this whole thing sucks big time.</p> <p>I wonder what the effects will be as, over time, his supporters begin to see how he governs and how much he truly sucks. Will they crash & burn or just sizzle with anger? It’s inevitable of course — after all their candidate sucks, they just don’t realize it yet.</p> This love affair between Obama and his supporters is quite something. But, sorry to say, their candidate sucks.

Of course, Hillary sucks more, so who can blame them (Obama cult members) at this point.

Man, this whole thing sucks big time.

I wonder what the effects will be as, over time, his supporters begin to see how he governs and how much he truly sucks. Will they crash & burn or just sizzle with anger? It’s inevitable of course — after all their candidate sucks, they just don’t realize it yet.

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265337 Jane Hamsher Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:06:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265337 <p>And yet she wins some states, so the original question cannot be answered simply by the seemingly all-purpose “my candidate is teh awesome,” it really requires some analytical skill to discern why he wins supermajorities in midwestern states specifically.</p> And yet she wins some states, so the original question cannot be answered simply by the seemingly all-purpose “my candidate is teh awesome,” it really requires some analytical skill to discern why he wins supermajorities in midwestern states specifically.

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265327 tanbark Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:04:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/10/obama-blowing-out-clilnton-in-maine/#comment-1265327 <p><a href="mailto:DennisQ@308:" rel="nofollow">DennisQ@308:</a></p> <p>“SOMETHING.”</p> <p>Dennis, you got a tough row to hoe. Good luck! :o)</p> DennisQ@308:

“SOMETHING.”

Dennis, you got a tough row to hoe. Good luck! :o)

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