When the "935 Iraq Falsehoods" report came out, Dan Froomkin noted that the Senate Intel committee's long-overdue Phase II report might actually see the light of day "before the end of Spring." While that would be a nice change of pace -- to actually complete and release a report we've been awaiting for years, I'm not exactly holding my breath on the cooperation of Kit Bond and his merry band of partisans refraining from "creating tension," which is apparently the hold up for Sen. Rockefeller, according to his spokesperson Wendy Morigi, as quoted by Froomkin.
(insert frustrated eye roll here)
So, while we continue to tap our toes waiting for the report that isn't yet, let's take a moment to peek behind the curtain of frustration that real, live intelligence analysts have to continue to live with, day in and day out, in Bushworld. CQ Politics has an interview with highlights A.J. Rossmiller -- of Americablog -- who is an upcoming guest on February 16th for our Book Salon for his new book, Still Broken. From the interview in CQ:
“Products were written . . . and then read by other people in the CIOC. Good analysis was done . . . and never seen by anybody who could do anything about it. We rarely received feedback, and we never had a solid conception of who our customers were or what missions we were serving.”
That would change when Rossmiller, a lowly GS-9, was eventually transferred to the Direct Action team, whose unofficial motto was “track ’em and whack ’em.” There he was an uncomfortable witness to U.S. soldiers screaming in English at Iraqis they’d rounded up. When they didn’t get satisfactory answers — there never seemed to be one — they dispatched their bewildered, hooded and quite possibly innocent captives to the soon-to-be infamous Abu Ghraib prison for interrogation.
After six months, Rossmiller left Baghdad with an assignment to the Pentagon to analyze intelligence and prognosticate on the chaotic Iraqi government. His entire time there, he and many other analysts never had their own desks or computers. Many of the computers weren’t equipped with the proper software to allow access to both top secret and unclassified materials.
To Rossmiller, the DIA’s Iraq intelligence teams, located in temporary, cramped offices along a hard-to-find hallway off a corridor, seemed like a nuisance or afterthought.
Unfortunately, one of his worst Baghdad bosses landed there, too, a right-wing war booster who was “running around the office and asking people what they were working on so he could add his opinion (that is, inject his ideology)” into their intelligence reports.
“He would launch tirades over minor analytical disagreements,” Rossmiller writes, “once telling an analyst, in all seriousness, ‘Well, it’s clear I have to do more micromanaging here!’ ” There were already layers upon layers of supervisors who could, and would, edit, rewrite or boil down the analysts’ reports....
Intelligence officials constantly berated and insulted the analysts’ sober reports on the growing chaos of Baghdad, the hopelessly splintered Iraqi government and the fighting among Sunnis and Shiites that had spun into a civil war.
The J-2, or top intelligence officer on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, fell back on rank to intimidate them into changing, or completely repudiating, their reports.
”You’re digging yourself a hole, mister junior analyst,” the (unnamed) J-2 would bark, or “I quit reading when I see stupidity in reporting.”
How ironic, in hindsight. It was the Joint Chiefs and other military brass who dug themselves into a big hole in Iraq by suppressing the intelligence.
Or, at least, it would be ironic if the cost weren't being borne on the backs of other people's children. (Warning: this article will infuriate you.) I first met A.J. at the first YKos in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, and we talked a bit about what he and fellow DIA folks went through trying to get truth through the maze of "more rose-colored glasses" demands from higher-ups at the Pentagon. While we're awaiting the Phase II report, A.J.'s book gives a horrid glimpse into the buffonery, the egos and the eagerness to spoon-feed cheery news to the brass and the Bushies at all costs.
It is a story that we ought to all learn from...even if the Bush/Cheney acolytes won't even bother. Because these are mistakes we cannot continue to repeat.
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Christy, I’m glad you will be on Sam Seder. I will listen to the show.
Well we wouldn’t want to create tension over a little thing like lying us into war, would we?
I can’t wait for the contractions to end and a brand new shiny candidate is born……labor pains suck (so I hear). I wonder if its a boy or girl?
I love Seder
Hi, Christy! Great post. It never ceases to amaze the extent to which physical reality is seen as just another competing interest by the Bush regime.
Is it malicious or just bureaucracy in motion? Why edit analysis? Just compile it and send it to the decider so there is only one liar.
If you do it that way, there remains a possibility of accountability.
We can’t have that.
Stove pipe, cherry pick, VP’s Special Intelligence apparatus, slime any dissenters, Get Powell to disseminate your propaganda, Italian forged docs, expose Plame for Wilson’s op-ed, put Scooter on the hook, let Scooter off the hook. Put your right foot in, put your right foot out…
there have been so many things like this over the last seven years that one wonders if there actually can be a last straw, that there is any outrage or incompetency, any deception or arrogance which can tip the balance and cause any real movement to rectify the criminality of Fuckwad and Bicus Dicus. Scott Horton’s latest essay on the unimaginable “I-word” is a masterpiece (over at Harper’s Magazine). thoroughly persuasive, logical and convincing.
Madam Speaker Pelosi? Majority Leader Reid? Are these not high crimes and misdemeanors? The whole world is watching. America’s honor and good name are tarnished and tainted almost beyond restoration.
Which neocon said that they create their own reality, ergo, we say what reality is?
One of the astounding counter-intuitive findings of the first Senate Intelligence 9/11 investigation was that there was no evidence that the White House exercise overt influence over the intelligence findings/interpretations; with Dick Cheney popping in every whipstich. I wondered if anyone else in the country have every work on the staff of a large company or organization. It doesn’t take a 20′ Sign to know what the bosses want. A raised eyebrow or looking askance will do.
mebbe if the MSM didn’t keep blowing away the other straws, they’d pile up enough to break the proverbial back.
here’s a sobering thought:
“…I no longer care much about the science. To me, the central question, and the one that few are willing to discuss in depth, is: Then what?
That is, if political leaders agree with Gore and others who believe too much carbon dioxide is bad, then what are we going to do? Fossil fuels now provide about 85% of the world’s total energy needs. Even more important is this corollary: Increasing energy consumption equals higher living standards. Always. Everywhere. Given that fact, how can we expect the people of the world–all 6.6 billion of them–to use less energy? The short answer: we can’t.”
Personally, I can’t take much more. How much more do we need to know? These guys should have been impeached years ago. They are dangerous. And from what I see, they’ve become more bold than ever. The signing statements haven’t stopped, they refuse to honor congressional subpoenas and now we have all these ‘executive orders’. And, just for good measure, torture is now admitted to with a ‘yeah, what are you going to do about it?’ attitude. I mean, really, wtf? Is there any other answer than to impeach? So, now I blame the dems.
Bicus Dicus was never a shrinking violet. Sarcasm and intimidation ooze from his smirk and dead eyes.
Another oxymoron from the era of “pro-life” espousers promoting child poverty and poor health, capital punishment, and an unnecessary ME war that has killed millions. The current era insists on fundamentalist biblical values of an eye for an eye accountability, in which political accountability as invisible. The shadow puppets we have elected as Democratics are so culpable in their devastation of the middle class (bankrupcy bill and off-shoring companies and billionaire tax cuts), a huge war machine agenda, and support of vast lobbying interests in big-pharma and insurance that they are afraid of any kind of accountability -else they will be seen for who they are as well.
i think this is rather on topic
No need for coffee, just walk outside with me for a while :)
What we need is:
critical thinking skills
facts
solutions based on the above 2
And
what is the expectation of the individual
what is the expectation of society and government
If, instead of Iraq, we had sunk a trillion dollars over 6 years into alternate energy development, production, and distribution, worldwide.
We would be the global leader, and think of all the jobs. It’s not so much using less energy as getting it from better places.
Although I guess building/dropping bombs does the same thing for the economy as the alternate energy… …so never mind.
Yup!
refraining from “creating tension,” which is apparently the hold up for Sen. Rockefeller, according to his spokesperson Wendy Morigi,…
So I guess the report gets released sometime in late November, 2008?
That is a poor excuse for congressmen and women not doing their jobs. The MSM is certainly at fault here but the buck stops at the doors to the House and the Senate. If we don’t even have an attempt to impeach, the crime of negligence falls right in the lap of Pelosi and then Reid. If the attempt is made and the Republicans and the Bush ‘Dogs obstruct it it will pass on to them. We have serious criminality being ignored and swept under the rug. It is somebody’s responsibility to deal with it. Waiting for an election is not an answer. That is pure cowardness. It’s immoral into the bargain.
Hear Hear!
What do you think would be the impact on the election season if the congress brings articles of impeachment?
Hillary has mentioned more than once creating ‘green collar’ jobs. As I envision it, it would be like Rosevelt’s WPA. I would cheer this enthusiastically. We need to transform this country to green energy and we need jobs. Screw the ridiculous rebate, the pittance of money isn’t going to help long term. But a work program…that would help.
Popular culture “gets it” long before The Village does. Closing credit line of The Breach: the full extent of damage done remains classified.
I figure we’ll have to find our accountability moment in a future Grisham or Baldacci novel.
And what’s up with NoMoDo on the NYT website. Is she in the print edition today? No mention at all online. Inquiring minds and all that….
the plebes always bear the cost. war is a high stakes poker game for the elite. instead of moving chips around the table, they move our kids and money around the globe. they use our kids as cannon fodder and tax the hell out of us to buy a seat at the table. we are never told the truth because we were trained to accept wild explanations for why bad things happen to good people. it’s really crazy making to watch. but watch i will. i’ll be waiting for the next wild story with bated breath.
I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
The rebate program…borrowed money [from China?] to put a wee sum in people’s wallets so they buy products [from China….] Good for their economy; ours, not so much.
Not just green collar jobs, but infrastructure restoration jobs. Put America back to work again.
The Village = the DeeCee Establishment.
I agree, but the expense of a WPA program probably prohibits it as a strategy, unless the unemployment rate goes sky high. More likely in my view are institutions such as universities and new town buildings going green and setting a precedent that others will follow (followed by stronger laws, and tax support for companies who take this road).
What do you think would be the impact on the election season if the congress brings articles of impeachment?
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I think we’d be quite surprised, that the majority of Americans would vigorously applaud such an action. Quite the contrary to what the Serious Ones from the Village would have us believe. I also think that moving forward with impeachment should be done without regard to what effects it might have on the election season. I don’t expect most politicians to disregard those effects but in the end I imagine it won’t matter.
Just stop the world! I want to get off. Now, goddammit.
The Village = Those individuals, both elected and members of the chattering class, mostly residing inside the DC beltway who try to tell us what we should believe and do. Also includes folks in NYC. They talk mainly to each other and have absolutely no clue about life anywhere in the US outside of DC and NYC.
solai February 10th, 2008 at 8:03 am
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I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
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it refers to D.C. elites. the ones that seem to stay there regardless of who’s in the White House.
solai February 10th, 2008 at 8:03 am
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I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
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and if i’m not mistaken, Digby coined this particular usage ……
This is OT but it ticked me off so that I’m still thinking about it. Above is a quote from Allen Raymond (How to Rig an Election) during yesterday’s Book Salon. Am I too naive? Politicians are in it for the money???? It brought to mind Bush’s “It’s our due” statement. This is the repub mindset. But, I refuse to believe it’s a motivation for either Hillary or Obama. Or maybe, I’m a fool.
I looked at the CPI study web page. They have various ways of summarizing the “935 Falsehoods,” but has anybody found those falsehoods enumerated 1 through 935, sort of like Hugh’s list is enumerated - currently, one through 310…?
Good Morning from the mountains of Oregon-going to breakfast=
I would reply-What you all said,
Hugs for all children today, thanks for the wit and intelligence
Great post Christy, but sad-I am not going to be that way today.
“expense of a WPA program probably prohibits it as a strategy” WTF! Trillions for absolutely nothing gets a pass, but spending fractions of that amount putting americans to work is ‘prohibitive?’ Revoke tax cuts for the 1%’ers, revoke the freakin’ subsidies of oil companies and slap an excise tax on them and the other war profiteers proportional to the fraud that has been commited against this country. Confiscate their property, confiscate their companies and put them in jail.
although a lot of people seem to think they can read Hillary’s mind, the ones that say it probably can’t. successful politicians will end up making a lot of money unless they go out of their way to not make a lot of money. it’s a given.
There will soon be 9 billion of us and we will use less oil for energy sooner. Peak oil will come unbidden and with a vengeance.
How true Christy, other people’s children, such as the 5 Million Orphans in Irak and the children of the estimated one million widows in Irak.
Erdla
It’s such a mess. I was reading about the Iraqi women’s issues that have gotten some press here the last few days…and getting more and more disgusted and what we have wrought.
Not to mention Afghanistan…
impeachment will never happen. congress is clearly protecting their own. when i saw nancykins run after denny hastert while he was leaving the house, i threw up in my mouth a little bit. i think all of them must be removed and replaced with vetted citizens. there’s a wild new show called “the moment of truth”, it’s so wicked. they hook these people up to lie detector monitors and ask them 51 questions. i’d like to see most of congress sit in the chair to answer some real questions. they’d most likely all be in jail by the time it was over.
American participation in war have created these war orphans for decades. When I adopted my two kids from Korea….. someone said to me…..”Are they some of those Korean War orphans?” …. Thirty years after the stop of that war. [people ask the stupidest questions in front of my adopted kids]
It will be the hinge of our survival-a scenario juxtaposed to my children I find extremely difficult to deal with in my thinking. My wish for the world to come together is perhaps? an Ideological pipedream, but I dream it anyway.
Beautiful music to start the day Christy.
Face The Nation: Huckabee.
I tuned in to watch the McCain/Obama match up.
Okay, I’ll Calm Down and try to be patient.
Not my strong suit.
The story of how the Neocon appointees ‘Bolton’d’ their underlings in Baghdad is the Bush-junta modus. Even those of us who knew their bench was thin never thought in our wildest imagination that the government would be staffed by fascists. We only feared it would be directed by them.
The next administration (I’m assuming a Democratic one) has to fund a serious investigation of all the crimes of this kind (and worse) committed over the past seven soon to be eight years. Whatever their differing beliefs with respect to the American role in the world, Americans will not put up with this kind of jackboot administration. If they know about it, they will rebel against it, and perhaps some fresh air will reduce chances of it happening again. If this stuff is swept under the rug again, we will live through it again, and might not have the good luck to have a moron in the White House.
I’ve read your comments here and IMHO you are far from a fool. But (IMO) yes, a lot of politicians are in it for the money, especially the Republicans for whom that author worked. Even those who run with the purest intentions are liable to succumb to the temptation to “cash in” (think: take care of my children).
It’s all part and partial of an economic system based on a moral inversion: that “greed is good.”
part and parcel. Damn.
Check your Facebook in a few…
Well if you want to get really upset you could try reading some of ourWomen’s Rights they’re a mix of Arabic, Bi-lingual (English translations accompanying the Arabic article), and English. A lot of the writers on our site are women, they’re very tough - they need to be.
I miss David Schuster.
Via TPM:
So far, until 2006 the idea of cutting taxes and running a huge deficit was a political winner. Bush never mentions the National Debt, can you impagine a CEO who “forgot” to mention how much debt the company has? By the way the two largest holders of our national debt are Japan and China. Is is a lie to cut taxes and increase spending?
Hi, Sweets.
How long is his Time Out?
Reagan discovered deficits don’t matter.
The last report I wrote when I was on Wall St was titled “Surpluses Are Worse than Deficits,” February 00. The logic being that surpluses remove what little fiscal discipline there is on the federal government. And you can see the results in the last 7 years. W will leave a great deal of “discipline” on the next D prez.
Isn’t it rather ironic that our politicians all have their hands in the big corporations pants, all in the same water/oil bed, but there are not the same expectations for how they manage their business.
Is the answer that stockholders have a higher bar than citizens do?
Just some musings about FL and MI delegates not being seated and the Dem’s likelihood of reaching the finish line:
What might well be more important to Clinton than having FL and MI delegates seated would be to make sure that the required delegate finish line isn’t moved forward by 366 delegates (FL+MI) needed for the automatic bid.
For every state whose delegates are disqualified, the overall winning percent needed to gain the automatic bid increases if the total delegates required stays the same. That helps neither Clinton nor Obama, but especially not Clinton if momentum is any indicator. If you do the math for delegates needed from all 50 states minus 366, I’m guessing Obama can reach it with the remaining states.
As opposed to speculation about Clinton trying to reverse an agreement by arguing to include the disqualified FL and MI delegates, Obama might very well have a legitimate point in arguing that those delegates be removed from the total pool for calculating the automatic bid.
thoughts?
Two of Du and mine children are recently adopted Iraki orphans - the youngest of them is approaching 9 months old. Within weeks of his arrival we discovered that the repeated typhoid infections had left one of his kidneys with huge amounts of necrotic tissue and it had to be removed.
Nobody has tried making any comments along those lines either to Dubhaltach or to me or our new daughter yet. They’d better not try it either.
Our daughter came and asked us one night how you actually used this makeup?
I am still trying to get my head around the idea of a little girl who didn’t know what a box of water-colour paints was for. It’s the little things like that are so unbearable.
Good heavens — it is so windy and cold outside today. Our windows just rattled around a little from the last blast of air. Poor little birdies are freezing their feathered tushies off this morning…good thing I filled the feeders up again yesterday.
I’ve been accused of being a pessimist. I think I’m a realist and there is very little to be done but to wait and see. Prepare for a flood and get blown away by the wind. I have no better options but to do nothing. Let’s get black. World cereal crops have been in slow decline or at best even for the last several years. (Rice production has declined for the last six) Nitrogen fertilizer use was up 5% in 2005 and crop production up 1.3%. This is a product of crude oil. No oil no ammonia. No ammonia no yield. Phosphate rock mining is and has been at the wall for the last 5 years selling and using every ounce produced. Yet we keep burning more and more gas in ever larger and inefficient auto. Sorry, I’ll shut up now as I’m depressing myself.
Do you know why birds don’t get cold feet?
That’s too bad, isn’t it? I miss him too, badly. The only progressive voice besides Keith. Why did he say something that stupid? That’s how fragile contemporary professional life is…one stupid mistake and you’re gone! Just like that…Even if he comes back from suspension, things will never be the same for him…
I have, unfortunately, seen that same sort of issue with kids in abuse and neglect cases here (in one case, a young boy who had no idea what toilet paper was supposed to do). It just rips out your heart to see a child having gone through something that leaves that sort of empty hole in their understanding of life.
Hugs to you and Du and the kids. You are doing such a wonderful thing by giving them a good home where they can play and laugh and grow with love.
Fahrender… keep spreading the word on this important document, all who care for our country need to make sure they read it and then spread it to all of their contacts, whether Democrats or Republican, and especially to independents!
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002302
Are you speaking about MN? -11 F air temp, -37 wind chill…I had to go to a cafe that has hot spot because my cable (TV and modem) went down. I’m sure the cold has something to with that…Outside ain’t pretty…
A WPA type program focused like a laser beam on infrastructure improvements is exactly what this country needs, at (dare I say it) whatever the cost.
First off, the jobs created can’t be sent offshore- a bridge or sewer system in Kansas has to be built in Kansas- so it would help in re-creating middle class job opportunities. Because of taxes on this income, 25-35% of this money would find it’s way back into the govt’s pocket.
Secondly, this work has to be done. Politicians have avoided dealing with this for years because fixing an underground water main doesn’t help you get re-elected, therefore it’s easy to pass it on to your successor. But ask the people of Minneapolis (home of the section of I-35 that collapsed last year) how urgent this issue has become.
As for the cost, no question we’re talking lots o’ cash (1.6 trillion by some estimates) but again we’ve got no choice. Stopping our misadventures in Iraq would provide a significant down payment.
maybe this has already been discussed, and i missed it… but matt tabbi has an excellent, must read piece in rolling stone mag:
imo, if we want accountability for the lied we’ve been told, the place to start is with our own party.
Schuster’s just got a little time out- he’ll be back- older and wiser.
Actually, I think the place to start is with Dick Cheney and his cronies who ginned up the bullshit in the first place. Not that the Dems are blameless, but honestly it starts with the neocons and works outward from there.
No matter how pissed I am at various factions and fractions within the Dem political apparatus, the blame starts on Dick Cheney and George Bush’s doorstep.
While visiting tornado-ravaged Tennessee, President Bush stopped in to speak to residents affected.
We’re sorry you’re going through what you’re going through.
You know, life sometimes is, uh, you know, is unfair, and you don’t get to play the hand that you wanted to play. But, the question is, when you get dealt the hand, how do you play it?
And I’ve come away with this impression of the folks of Macon County. One, you’re down-to-Earth, good, hard-workin’ people. They have a respect for the Almighty, and this community’s going to be as strong as ever. That’s what I think.
Well I know you’ve written about how wonderfully rewarding adopting can be in the past and hope you will do so again. I’ve known Du since we were very small children and some his siblings were adopted. Some of his father’s (markfromireland’s) siblings were adopted. So I knew from direct observation of two generations that this is one family tradition that really works. :-)
thanks - I love his work. Just beginning to read it, but already I like this:
Solidifying his reputation as one of the biggest pussies in U.S. political history, Reid explained his decision…..
Christy:
You have incoming…re: image…
What an embarassment. Did he take enough photos hugging people?
GWB, Fathead- in- Chief. They’ve just gone through a huge tragedy, & then have to listen to crap like this?
As for Shuster, he said something very stupid trying to sound hip. Older people still take the word “pimp” in a very literal way; younger people not so much (ever seen or heard of the television show “Pimp My Ride”?)
Of course he should’ve apologized, as he has. But this unfortunate remark shouldn’t cost him his job.
IMHO, the Clinton camp is keeping this alive to control the news cycle and move the focus away from the butt kicking she got yesterday.
If I were a tornado victim in Macon County, I’d tell George W. Clusterfuck to take his fuckin poker analogy and shove it where the sun don’t shine and to either DO somethin ta help or get the fuck out of the WAY!
George W. Clusterfuck- america’s disaster specialist.
Fixed.
Obama on a run- Hillary needs to get her ass down court and stop these fuckin fast breaks or she’s toast.
I don’t know…
W to Macon County - trust in the Almighty ’cause you’re getting squat from me.
I’ve never stopped a guy from scoring by yellin at him- ya gotta get your body between him and the bucket and serve him up some leather.
As usual you are spot on. And I love the way you get the order of blame right, (Darth first then Pres. McFlightsuit). He’s just been going along for the ride.
You could probably count the initiatives that have come from Dubya over the last 7 years on one hand, minus your thumb and forefinger.
re-fixed
I just think if we’re going to assign blame, it’s important to put the jackasses who ginned up the whole mess in the first place at the front of the line. There are a whole host of things broken that need fixing…and a lot of them started out as toys and amusements those two have now thrown on their “tired of this” trash heap.
While there are any number of disappointments and betrayals and outright moments of disgust in the news, the genesis of just about every mess we are dealing with at the moment starts first and foremost at the Dick Cheney and George Bush Craptastic Caravan of Craven Neoconnary.
Shorter Bush to twister victims: Sucks to be you.
Mr. Compassionate in action.
Also over at TP Bush is giving advice to the ‘Democrat’ Party about how to run their elections.
“If they talk about me, they are talking about the past and that won’t win over voters.”
Idiot Bush is so stupid to realize that his talking points are designed to marginalize him. He is too stupid to realize that. I find that profoundly funny.
-G
I totally agree that it is all Dick Cheney and George Bush’s doorstep. The only thing is that the centrist dems bought it. They need the commander and chief power to propel the unitary executive. What do they plan to do with it?
McCain promising to bring us eight more years of Bush policies- wrapped in a patina of dementia.
Why does he even bother? I cannot look at or listen to that freak any more. He’s absolutely repulsive.
i think the blame starts with johnny q. when the supremes anointed this jackass, the public should have gone wild and stormed the white house. we should have demanded that they count the votes.
Since he fucked up Katrina he is forced to go to every fuckin little disaster- hell- HE hates it to- but what’s an idiot to do?
lol! :D
ive said for years…anybody serving time for PERJURY shoud be freed…OPEN THE PRISON GATES …the REAL murderers,prostitutes,and RACKETEERS Aare on the outside…STORM YHE BASTILLE!
ooops, meant the whole line:
McAnus is promising ‘more wars’ plural for heaven
s sake.
More WARS. John McCain’s campaign slogan:
There will be blood.
-G
all his minnions repulse me too. its the Nazi propaganda machine
The fine FDL talent for comp. visuals could no doubt devise something appropriate for this description ;->
Perjury, still a crime…still needs jail time. As someone who has had to sort through lies and the backtracking and needless stalling and problems it can cause to an investigation, liars don’t get a pass. But maybe that’s just me…
the man does not look well,almost like he is on his last leg
i think you miss my point,the hypocracy for those who lie,us into WAR as oppose