When the "935 Iraq Falsehoods" report came out, Dan Froomkin noted that the Senate Intel committee’s long-overdue Phase II report might actually see the light of day "before the end of Spring." While that would be a nice change of pace — to actually complete and release a report we’ve been awaiting for years, I’m not exactly holding my breath on the cooperation of Kit Bond and his merry band of partisans refraining from "creating tension," which is apparently the hold up for Sen. Rockefeller, according to his spokesperson Wendy Morigi, as quoted by Froomkin.
(insert frustrated eye roll here)
So, while we continue to tap our toes waiting for the report that isn’t yet, let’s take a moment to peek behind the curtain of frustration that real, live intelligence analysts have to continue to live with, day in and day out, in Bushworld. CQ Politics has an interview with highlights A.J. Rossmiller — of Americablog — who is an upcoming guest on February 16th for our Book Salon for his new book, Still Broken. From the interview in CQ:
“Products were written . . . and then read by other people in the CIOC. Good analysis was done . . . and never seen by anybody who could do anything about it. We rarely received feedback, and we never had a solid conception of who our customers were or what missions we were serving.”
That would change when Rossmiller, a lowly GS-9, was eventually transferred to the Direct Action team, whose unofficial motto was “track ’em and whack ’em.” There he was an uncomfortable witness to U.S. soldiers screaming in English at Iraqis they’d rounded up. When they didn’t get satisfactory answers — there never seemed to be one — they dispatched their bewildered, hooded and quite possibly innocent captives to the soon-to-be infamous Abu Ghraib prison for interrogation.
After six months, Rossmiller left Baghdad with an assignment to the Pentagon to analyze intelligence and prognosticate on the chaotic Iraqi government. His entire time there, he and many other analysts never had their own desks or computers. Many of the computers weren’t equipped with the proper software to allow access to both top secret and unclassified materials.
To Rossmiller, the DIA’s Iraq intelligence teams, located in temporary, cramped offices along a hard-to-find hallway off a corridor, seemed like a nuisance or afterthought.
Unfortunately, one of his worst Baghdad bosses landed there, too, a right-wing war booster who was “running around the office and asking people what they were working on so he could add his opinion (that is, inject his ideology)” into their intelligence reports.
“He would launch tirades over minor analytical disagreements,” Rossmiller writes, “once telling an analyst, in all seriousness, ‘Well, it’s clear I have to do more micromanaging here!’ ” There were already layers upon layers of supervisors who could, and would, edit, rewrite or boil down the analysts’ reports….
Intelligence officials constantly berated and insulted the analysts’ sober reports on the growing chaos of Baghdad, the hopelessly splintered Iraqi government and the fighting among Sunnis and Shiites that had spun into a civil war.
The J-2, or top intelligence officer on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, fell back on rank to intimidate them into changing, or completely repudiating, their reports.
”You’re digging yourself a hole, mister junior analyst,” the (unnamed) J-2 would bark, or “I quit reading when I see stupidity in reporting.”
How ironic, in hindsight. It was the Joint Chiefs and other military brass who dug themselves into a big hole in Iraq by suppressing the intelligence.
Or, at least, it would be ironic if the cost weren’t being borne on the backs of other people’s children. (Warning: this article will infuriate you.) I first met A.J. at the first YKos in Las Vegas a couple of years ago, and we talked a bit about what he and fellow DIA folks went through trying to get truth through the maze of "more rose-colored glasses" demands from higher-ups at the Pentagon. While we’re awaiting the Phase II report, A.J.’s book gives a horrid glimpse into the buffonery, the egos and the eagerness to spoon-feed cheery news to the brass and the Bushies at all costs.
It is a story that we ought to all learn from…even if the Bush/Cheney acolytes won’t even bother. Because these are mistakes we cannot continue to repeat.
(YouTube of Rostropovich playing the Dvorak Cello Concerto. Lovely piece played masterfully.)
Related posts:
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- Saddam Interrogation: US Still Trying to Show 9/11 Connection as Late as Mid-2004
- Demagoguing Fort Hood, Hoekstra Adds to List of Lies
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Zedderiffic!
coffee anyone?
Christy, I’m glad you will be on Sam Seder. I will listen to the show.
Well we wouldn’t want to create tension over a little thing like lying us into war, would we?
I can’t wait for the contractions to end and a brand new shiny candidate is born……labor pains suck (so I hear). I wonder if its a boy or girl?
I love Seder
Hi, Christy! Great post. It never ceases to amaze the extent to which physical reality is seen as just another competing interest by the Bush regime.
Is it malicious or just bureaucracy in motion? Why edit analysis? Just compile it and send it to the decider so there is only one liar.
If you do it that way, there remains a possibility of accountability.
We can’t have that.
Stove pipe, cherry pick, VP’s Special Intelligence apparatus, slime any dissenters, Get Powell to disseminate your propaganda, Italian forged docs, expose Plame for Wilson’s op-ed, put Scooter on the hook, let Scooter off the hook. Put your right foot in, put your right foot out…
there have been so many things like this over the last seven years that one wonders if there actually can be a last straw, that there is any outrage or incompetency, any deception or arrogance which can tip the balance and cause any real movement to rectify the criminality of Fuckwad and Bicus Dicus. Scott Horton’s latest essay on the unimaginable “I-word” is a masterpiece (over at Harper’s Magazine). thoroughly persuasive, logical and convincing.
Madam Speaker Pelosi? Majority Leader Reid? Are these not high crimes and misdemeanors? The whole world is watching. America’s honor and good name are tarnished and tainted almost beyond restoration.
Which neocon said that they create their own reality, ergo, we say what reality is?
One of the astounding counter-intuitive findings of the first Senate Intelligence 9/11 investigation was that there was no evidence that the White House exercise overt influence over the intelligence findings/interpretations; with Dick Cheney popping in every whipstich. I wondered if anyone else in the country have every work on the staff of a large company or organization. It doesn’t take a 20′ Sign to know what the bosses want. A raised eyebrow or looking askance will do.
mebbe if the MSM didn’t keep blowing away the other straws, they’d pile up enough to break the proverbial back.
here’s a sobering thought:
“…I no longer care much about the science. To me, the central question, and the one that few are willing to discuss in depth, is: Then what?
That is, if political leaders agree with Gore and others who believe too much carbon dioxide is bad, then what are we going to do? Fossil fuels now provide about 85% of the world’s total energy needs. Even more important is this corollary: Increasing energy consumption equals higher living standards. Always. Everywhere. Given that fact, how can we expect the people of the world–all 6.6 billion of them–to use less energy? The short answer: we can’t.”
Personally, I can’t take much more. How much more do we need to know? These guys should have been impeached years ago. They are dangerous. And from what I see, they’ve become more bold than ever. The signing statements haven’t stopped, they refuse to honor congressional subpoenas and now we have all these ‘executive orders’. And, just for good measure, torture is now admitted to with a ‘yeah, what are you going to do about it?’ attitude. I mean, really, wtf? Is there any other answer than to impeach? So, now I blame the dems.
Bicus Dicus was never a shrinking violet. Sarcasm and intimidation ooze from his smirk and dead eyes.
Another oxymoron from the era of “pro-life” espousers promoting child poverty and poor health, capital punishment, and an unnecessary ME war that has killed millions. The current era insists on fundamentalist biblical values of an eye for an eye accountability, in which political accountability as invisible. The shadow puppets we have elected as Democratics are so culpable in their devastation of the middle class (bankrupcy bill and off-shoring companies and billionaire tax cuts), a huge war machine agenda, and support of vast lobbying interests in big-pharma and insurance that they are afraid of any kind of accountability -else they will be seen for who they are as well.
i think this is rather on topic
No need for coffee, just walk outside with me for a while :)
What we need is:
critical thinking skills
facts
solutions based on the above 2
And
what is the expectation of the individual
what is the expectation of society and government
If, instead of Iraq, we had sunk a trillion dollars over 6 years into alternate energy development, production, and distribution, worldwide.
We would be the global leader, and think of all the jobs. It’s not so much using less energy as getting it from better places.
Although I guess building/dropping bombs does the same thing for the economy as the alternate energy… …so never mind.
Yup!
refraining from “creating tension,” which is apparently the hold up for Sen. Rockefeller, according to his spokesperson Wendy Morigi,…
So I guess the report gets released sometime in late November, 2008?
That is a poor excuse for congressmen and women not doing their jobs. The MSM is certainly at fault here but the buck stops at the doors to the House and the Senate. If we don’t even have an attempt to impeach, the crime of negligence falls right in the lap of Pelosi and then Reid. If the attempt is made and the Republicans and the Bush ‘Dogs obstruct it it will pass on to them. We have serious criminality being ignored and swept under the rug. It is somebody’s responsibility to deal with it. Waiting for an election is not an answer. That is pure cowardness. It’s immoral into the bargain.
Hear Hear!
What do you think would be the impact on the election season if the congress brings articles of impeachment?
Hillary has mentioned more than once creating ‘green collar’ jobs. As I envision it, it would be like Rosevelt’s WPA. I would cheer this enthusiastically. We need to transform this country to green energy and we need jobs. Screw the ridiculous rebate, the pittance of money isn’t going to help long term. But a work program…that would help.
Popular culture “gets it” long before The Village does. Closing credit line of The Breach: the full extent of damage done remains classified.
I figure we’ll have to find our accountability moment in a future Grisham or Baldacci novel.
And what’s up with NoMoDo on the NYT website. Is she in the print edition today? No mention at all online. Inquiring minds and all that….
the plebes always bear the cost. war is a high stakes poker game for the elite. instead of moving chips around the table, they move our kids and money around the globe. they use our kids as cannon fodder and tax the hell out of us to buy a seat at the table. we are never told the truth because we were trained to accept wild explanations for why bad things happen to good people. it’s really crazy making to watch. but watch i will. i’ll be waiting for the next wild story with bated breath.
I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
The rebate program…borrowed money [from China?] to put a wee sum in people’s wallets so they buy products [from China….] Good for their economy; ours, not so much.
Not just green collar jobs, but infrastructure restoration jobs. Put America back to work again.
The Village = the DeeCee Establishment.
I agree, but the expense of a WPA program probably prohibits it as a strategy, unless the unemployment rate goes sky high. More likely in my view are institutions such as universities and new town buildings going green and setting a precedent that others will follow (followed by stronger laws, and tax support for companies who take this road).
What do you think would be the impact on the election season if the congress brings articles of impeachment?
__________
I think we’d be quite surprised, that the majority of Americans would vigorously applaud such an action. Quite the contrary to what the Serious Ones from the Village would have us believe. I also think that moving forward with impeachment should be done without regard to what effects it might have on the election season. I don’t expect most politicians to disregard those effects but in the end I imagine it won’t matter.
Just stop the world! I want to get off. Now, goddammit.
The Village = Those individuals, both elected and members of the chattering class, mostly residing inside the DC beltway who try to tell us what we should believe and do. Also includes folks in NYC. They talk mainly to each other and have absolutely no clue about life anywhere in the US outside of DC and NYC.
solai February 10th, 2008 at 8:03 am
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I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
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it refers to D.C. elites. the ones that seem to stay there regardless of who’s in the White House.
solai February 10th, 2008 at 8:03 am
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I’m here quite a bit, but I’ve never figured out “The Village” reference. Please enlighten.
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and if i’m not mistaken, Digby coined this particular usage ……
This is OT but it ticked me off so that I’m still thinking about it. Above is a quote from Allen Raymond (How to Rig an Election) during yesterday’s Book Salon. Am I too naive? Politicians are in it for the money???? It brought to mind Bush’s “It’s our due” statement. This is the repub mindset. But, I refuse to believe it’s a motivation for either Hillary or Obama. Or maybe, I’m a fool.
I looked at the CPI study web page. They have various ways of summarizing the “935 Falsehoods,” but has anybody found those falsehoods enumerated 1 through 935, sort of like Hugh’s list is enumerated – currently, one through 310…?
Good Morning from the mountains of Oregon-going to breakfast=
I would reply-What you all said,
Hugs for all children today, thanks for the wit and intelligence
Great post Christy, but sad-I am not going to be that way today.
“expense of a WPA program probably prohibits it as a strategy” WTF! Trillions for absolutely nothing gets a pass, but spending fractions of that amount putting americans to work is ‘prohibitive?’ Revoke tax cuts for the 1%’ers, revoke the freakin’ subsidies of oil companies and slap an excise tax on them and the other war profiteers proportional to the fraud that has been commited against this country. Confiscate their property, confiscate their companies and put them in jail.
although a lot of people seem to think they can read Hillary’s mind, the ones that say it probably can’t. successful politicians will end up making a lot of money unless they go out of their way to not make a lot of money. it’s a given.
There will soon be 9 billion of us and we will use less oil for energy sooner. Peak oil will come unbidden and with a vengeance.
How true Christy, other people’s children, such as the 5 Million Orphans in Irak and the children of the estimated one million widows in Irak.
Erdla
It’s such a mess. I was reading about the Iraqi women’s issues that have gotten some press here the last few days…and getting more and more disgusted and what we have wrought.
Not to mention Afghanistan…
impeachment will never happen. congress is clearly protecting their own. when i saw nancykins run after denny hastert while he was leaving the house, i threw up in my mouth a little bit. i think all of them must be removed and replaced with vetted citizens. there’s a wild new show called “the moment of truth”, it’s so wicked. they hook these people up to lie detector monitors and ask them 51 questions. i’d like to see most of congress sit in the chair to answer some real questions. they’d most likely all be in jail by the time it was over.
American participation in war have created these war orphans for decades. When I adopted my two kids from Korea….. someone said to me…..”Are they some of those Korean War orphans?” …. Thirty years after the stop of that war. [people ask the stupidest questions in front of my adopted kids]
It will be the hinge of our survival-a scenario juxtaposed to my children I find extremely difficult to deal with in my thinking. My wish for the world to come together is perhaps? an Ideological pipedream, but I dream it anyway.
Beautiful music to start the day Christy.
Face The Nation: Huckabee.
I tuned in to watch the McCain/Obama match up.
Okay, I’ll Calm Down and try to be patient.
Not my strong suit.
The story of how the Neocon appointees ‘Bolton’d’ their underlings in Baghdad is the Bush-junta modus. Even those of us who knew their bench was thin never thought in our wildest imagination that the government would be staffed by fascists. We only feared it would be directed by them.
The next administration (I’m assuming a Democratic one) has to fund a serious investigation of all the crimes of this kind (and worse) committed over the past seven soon to be eight years. Whatever their differing beliefs with respect to the American role in the world, Americans will not put up with this kind of jackboot administration. If they know about it, they will rebel against it, and perhaps some fresh air will reduce chances of it happening again. If this stuff is swept under the rug again, we will live through it again, and might not have the good luck to have a moron in the White House.
I’ve read your comments here and IMHO you are far from a fool. But (IMO) yes, a lot of politicians are in it for the money, especially the Republicans for whom that author worked. Even those who run with the purest intentions are liable to succumb to the temptation to “cash in” (think: take care of my children).
It’s all part and partial of an economic system based on a moral inversion: that “greed is good.”
part and parcel. Damn.
Check your Facebook in a few…
Well if you want to get really upset you could try reading some of ourWomen’s Rights they’re a mix of Arabic, Bi-lingual (English translations accompanying the Arabic article), and English. A lot of the writers on our site are women, they’re very tough – they need to be.
I miss David Schuster.
Via TPM:
So far, until 2006 the idea of cutting taxes and running a huge deficit was a political winner. Bush never mentions the National Debt, can you impagine a CEO who “forgot” to mention how much debt the company has? By the way the two largest holders of our national debt are Japan and China. Is is a lie to cut taxes and increase spending?
Hi, Sweets.
How long is his Time Out?
Reagan discovered deficits don’t matter.
The last report I wrote when I was on Wall St was titled “Surpluses Are Worse than Deficits,” February 00. The logic being that surpluses remove what little fiscal discipline there is on the federal government. And you can see the results in the last 7 years. W will leave a great deal of “discipline” on the next D prez.
Isn’t it rather ironic that our politicians all have their hands in the big corporations pants, all in the same water/oil bed, but there are not the same expectations for how they manage their business.
Is the answer that stockholders have a higher bar than citizens do?
Just some musings about FL and MI delegates not being seated and the Dem’s likelihood of reaching the finish line:
What might well be more important to Clinton than having FL and MI delegates seated would be to make sure that the required delegate finish line isn’t moved forward by 366 delegates (FL+MI) needed for the automatic bid.
For every state whose delegates are disqualified, the overall winning percent needed to gain the automatic bid increases if the total delegates required stays the same. That helps neither Clinton nor Obama, but especially not Clinton if momentum is any indicator. If you do the math for delegates needed from all 50 states minus 366, I’m guessing Obama can reach it with the remaining states.
As opposed to speculation about Clinton trying to reverse an agreement by arguing to include the disqualified FL and MI delegates, Obama might very well have a legitimate point in arguing that those delegates be removed from the total pool for calculating the automatic bid.
thoughts?
Two of Du and mine children are recently adopted Iraki orphans – the youngest of them is approaching 9 months old. Within weeks of his arrival we discovered that the repeated typhoid infections had left one of his kidneys with huge amounts of necrotic tissue and it had to be removed.
Nobody has tried making any comments along those lines either to Dubhaltach or to me or our new daughter yet. They’d better not try it either.
Our daughter came and asked us one night how you actually used this makeup?
I am still trying to get my head around the idea of a little girl who didn’t know what a box of water-colour paints was for. It’s the little things like that are so unbearable.
Good heavens — it is so windy and cold outside today. Our windows just rattled around a little from the last blast of air. Poor little birdies are freezing their feathered tushies off this morning…good thing I filled the feeders up again yesterday.
I’ve been accused of being a pessimist. I think I’m a realist and there is very little to be done but to wait and see. Prepare for a flood and get blown away by the wind. I have no better options but to do nothing. Let’s get black. World cereal crops have been in slow decline or at best even for the last several years. (Rice production has declined for the last six) Nitrogen fertilizer use was up 5% in 2005 and crop production up 1.3%. This is a product of crude oil. No oil no ammonia. No ammonia no yield. Phosphate rock mining is and has been at the wall for the last 5 years selling and using every ounce produced. Yet we keep burning more and more gas in ever larger and inefficient auto. Sorry, I’ll shut up now as I’m depressing myself.
Do you know why birds don’t get cold feet?
That’s too bad, isn’t it? I miss him too, badly. The only progressive voice besides Keith. Why did he say something that stupid? That’s how fragile contemporary professional life is…one stupid mistake and you’re gone! Just like that…Even if he comes back from suspension, things will never be the same for him…
I have, unfortunately, seen that same sort of issue with kids in abuse and neglect cases here (in one case, a young boy who had no idea what toilet paper was supposed to do). It just rips out your heart to see a child having gone through something that leaves that sort of empty hole in their understanding of life.
Hugs to you and Du and the kids. You are doing such a wonderful thing by giving them a good home where they can play and laugh and grow with love.
Fahrender… keep spreading the word on this important document, all who care for our country need to make sure they read it and then spread it to all of their contacts, whether Democrats or Republican, and especially to independents!
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002302
Are you speaking about MN? -11 F air temp, -37 wind chill…I had to go to a cafe that has hot spot because my cable (TV and modem) went down. I’m sure the cold has something to with that…Outside ain’t pretty…
A WPA type program focused like a laser beam on infrastructure improvements is exactly what this country needs, at (dare I say it) whatever the cost.
First off, the jobs created can’t be sent offshore- a bridge or sewer system in Kansas has to be built in Kansas- so it would help in re-creating middle class job opportunities. Because of taxes on this income, 25-35% of this money would find it’s way back into the govt’s pocket.
Secondly, this work has to be done. Politicians have avoided dealing with this for years because fixing an underground water main doesn’t help you get re-elected, therefore it’s easy to pass it on to your successor. But ask the people of Minneapolis (home of the section of I-35 that collapsed last year) how urgent this issue has become.
As for the cost, no question we’re talking lots o’ cash (1.6 trillion by some estimates) but again we’ve got no choice. Stopping our misadventures in Iraq would provide a significant down payment.
maybe this has already been discussed, and i missed it… but matt tabbi has an excellent, must read piece in rolling stone mag:
imo, if we want accountability for the lied we’ve been told, the place to start is with our own party.
Schuster’s just got a little time out- he’ll be back- older and wiser.
Actually, I think the place to start is with Dick Cheney and his cronies who ginned up the bullshit in the first place. Not that the Dems are blameless, but honestly it starts with the neocons and works outward from there.
No matter how pissed I am at various factions and fractions within the Dem political apparatus, the blame starts on Dick Cheney and George Bush’s doorstep.
While visiting tornado-ravaged Tennessee, President Bush stopped in to speak to residents affected.
We’re sorry you’re going through what you’re going through.
You know, life sometimes is, uh, you know, is unfair, and you don’t get to play the hand that you wanted to play. But, the question is, when you get dealt the hand, how do you play it?
And I’ve come away with this impression of the folks of Macon County. One, you’re down-to-Earth, good, hard-workin’ people. They have a respect for the Almighty, and this community’s going to be as strong as ever. That’s what I think.
Well I know you’ve written about how wonderfully rewarding adopting can be in the past and hope you will do so again. I’ve known Du since we were very small children and some his siblings were adopted. Some of his father’s (markfromireland’s) siblings were adopted. So I knew from direct observation of two generations that this is one family tradition that really works. :-)
thanks – I love his work. Just beginning to read it, but already I like this:
Solidifying his reputation as one of the biggest pussies in U.S. political history, Reid explained his decision…..
Christy:
You have incoming…re: image…
What an embarassment. Did he take enough photos hugging people?
GWB, Fathead- in- Chief. They’ve just gone through a huge tragedy, & then have to listen to crap like this?
As for Shuster, he said something very stupid trying to sound hip. Older people still take the word “pimp” in a very literal way; younger people not so much (ever seen or heard of the television show “Pimp My Ride”?)
Of course he should’ve apologized, as he has. But this unfortunate remark shouldn’t cost him his job.
IMHO, the Clinton camp is keeping this alive to control the news cycle and move the focus away from the butt kicking she got yesterday.
If I were a tornado victim in Macon County, I’d tell George W. Clusterfuck to take his fuckin poker analogy and shove it where the sun don’t shine and to either DO somethin ta help or get the fuck out of the WAY!
George W. Clusterfuck- america’s disaster specialist.
Fixed.
Obama on a run- Hillary needs to get her ass down court and stop these fuckin fast breaks or she’s toast.
I don’t know…
W to Macon County – trust in the Almighty ’cause you’re getting squat from me.
I’ve never stopped a guy from scoring by yellin at him- ya gotta get your body between him and the bucket and serve him up some leather.
As usual you are spot on. And I love the way you get the order of blame right, (Darth first then Pres. McFlightsuit). He’s just been going along for the ride.
You could probably count the initiatives that have come from Dubya over the last 7 years on one hand, minus your thumb and forefinger.
re-fixed
I just think if we’re going to assign blame, it’s important to put the jackasses who ginned up the whole mess in the first place at the front of the line. There are a whole host of things broken that need fixing…and a lot of them started out as toys and amusements those two have now thrown on their “tired of this” trash heap.
While there are any number of disappointments and betrayals and outright moments of disgust in the news, the genesis of just about every mess we are dealing with at the moment starts first and foremost at the Dick Cheney and George Bush Craptastic Caravan of Craven Neoconnary.
Shorter Bush to twister victims: Sucks to be you.
Mr. Compassionate in action.
Also over at TP Bush is giving advice to the ‘Democrat’ Party about how to run their elections.
“If they talk about me, they are talking about the past and that won’t win over voters.”
Idiot Bush is so stupid to realize that his talking points are designed to marginalize him. He is too stupid to realize that. I find that profoundly funny.
-G
I totally agree that it is all Dick Cheney and George Bush’s doorstep. The only thing is that the centrist dems bought it. They need the commander and chief power to propel the unitary executive. What do they plan to do with it?
McCain promising to bring us eight more years of Bush policies- wrapped in a patina of dementia.
Why does he even bother? I cannot look at or listen to that freak any more. He’s absolutely repulsive.
i think the blame starts with johnny q. when the supremes anointed this jackass, the public should have gone wild and stormed the white house. we should have demanded that they count the votes.
Since he fucked up Katrina he is forced to go to every fuckin little disaster- hell- HE hates it to- but what’s an idiot to do?
lol! :D
ive said for years…anybody serving time for PERJURY shoud be freed…OPEN THE PRISON GATES …the REAL murderers,prostitutes,and RACKETEERS Aare on the outside…STORM YHE BASTILLE!
ooops, meant the whole line:
McAnus is promising ‘more wars’ plural for heaven
s sake.
More WARS. John McCain’s campaign slogan:
There will be blood.
-G
all his minnions repulse me too. its the Nazi propaganda machine
The fine FDL talent for comp. visuals could no doubt devise something appropriate for this description ;->
Perjury, still a crime…still needs jail time. As someone who has had to sort through lies and the backtracking and needless stalling and problems it can cause to an investigation, liars don’t get a pass. But maybe that’s just me…
the man does not look well,almost like he is on his last leg
i think you miss my point,the hypocracy for those who lie,us into WAR as opposed to somebody who told a personal lie….they are despickable
the problem is that so long as we do that, our efforts for accountability will be seen as partisan hypocrisy – especially if it’s done during an election season while we’re cheering on the same dems who’ve facilitated the debacle.
if we hold our own party leaders to the highest of standards – then we will have the moral standing, even in the eyes of many of the republican rank and file, to go after cheney et al.
morally, it’s the same story as the torture issue – we americans have to hold ourselves to the highest of standards, otherwise we are just seen as hypocrites by the rest of the world – even those who’s torture practices are 100x worse than ours.
yeah, it’s not fair. but if we want to end the policy of torture in the world, the place we have to start is at home – even before going after the worlds worst.
likewise, if we want accountability in politicians, our first priority is cleaning up our own house.
that’s the way we show others that we mean it, that accountability is something we really value and not just a weapon we use against our political adversaries. (not saying anyone here thinks that way – but that is the way we are viewed).
More WARS. John McCain’s campaign slogan:
There will be blood.
But, but – noted pacifist John Bolton is backin’ Crazy Train…
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/08/bolton-mccain/
What’s with the one big cheek? Reminds me of when my lab had cancer, actually. He does not seem well, does he?
Did anyone else hear Powell’s comments to CNN on Friday? He actually said the following:
Uh, Colin? You are the one who lied to the world and thereby got us into Iraq, which is why the world has no “confidence in America” and why we are not viewed “favorably”. I wrote more about this at my blog.
McCain workin hard to prove that he will kill more muslims than the dems. The war on terror ain’t dead till he kills em all.
And the efforts we’ve been putting forth to hold the Blue Dogs to account don’t seem to do that for you, then?
I disagree. Dems are scared to look weak on national security.
That war thing is so strong in the american consciousness that opposing ANYTHING related to the military is not only “weak” but unpatriotic and anti american.
Dems let themselves get boxed into the war meme for decades, a legacy of the cold war… another phony get rich scheme for the right, but one which assured them of cash flow through ANY administration.
Almost the whole nation has been brainwashed with the “paranoia” theme and its twin… we need to be strong and fight the enemies of america.
They took 911 and ratcheted it up a few notches, slide into Iraq on lies and Afghanistan on the questionable notion that the Taliban is a threat which needed to be crushed.
And gave us the Patriot act and DHS and took away a whole bunch of our rights to let us know that this threat is real and worth letting the big boys take care of it.
What we need to destroy is the entire narrative. Not the dems who bought the myth much as the people did.
Who got all the “anthrax”? Dems and that was enough to remind them not to question the narrative in play.
ATTACK THE NARRITIVE and the whole thing crumbles and maybe democracy has a chance. Now we have a neo feudal fig leaf democracy. Call it like it is.
The Bush/McCain hug has been updated to show a newfound closeness.
-G
“likewise, if we want accountability in politicians, our first priority is cleaning up our own house.”
100% correct
They are playing his U.N. presentation several times today on CSPAN3. It’s on right now. I watched a lot of it earlier.
There’s perjury and there’s perjury. Let the punishment fit the crime. Send someone to jail about lying about drugs? Or about their taxes? Ha?
i never said anything about the blue dogs – matt’s article is about the party leadership.
He had cancer in that cheek and surgery several years ago.
So, that is what Craig was doing. Waiting for this damn report.
that is what im meaning…it makes the system look ridiculous imo
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Cheney was behind the anthrax.
“liars don’t get a pass. But maybe that’s just me…”
Clearly it is, because in Washington you can tell 935 of them (on just one subject no less) and get a pass. And that doesn’t even include Scooter!
selise, your a powerhouse in this line of reasoning, love it!
The fact is that we have been messing about with sovereign countries for 6 decades… militarily and in black ops and with brides and shock doctrine crap and every other manner. We have been engaged militarily continuously since the end of WWII.
We have over 200 military bases off shore.
We are either extremely paranoid or up to no good.
That’s the spirit! Falls right inline with selise’s point, imo.
Whoever is the Dem nominee needs to continually tie McCain to the butcher’s bill for Iraq & any potential other wars he talks up. Pin that toll of blood/morality/treasure lost on St. John’s back like a kick me sign.
The Blue Dog efforts — as well as Blue America — are designed to put pressure on the party leadership. We can’t do anything without leverage. And to get leverage, we have to have a bigger majority of people willing to take a stand. To get that, you have to have more progressives in Congress — or put better pressure on the Blue Dogs.
I understand frustration, truly I do…but how thin can we spread ourselves before we have nothing at all to work with? How pure does a politician have to be before they are free from reprisal? How much inter-party destruction is enough, giving the Republicans an even better shot at re-taking Congress which is exactly what we do not want to see happen because they could seriously give a shit about reform?
It’s a marathon, not a sprint. And we’re trying to work about a bazillion angles at once, none of which are going to reach immediate results. No matter how much we may want immediate change, it isn’t going to happen as quickly as any of us would like it to do so. That’s the truth of it.
The GOP appears destined to sacrifice themselves on the altar of Bush’s grossly malformed and over inflated ego.
Bush’s minions are pushing for a death embrace on their failed, mentally deluded leader.
Operation Embrace the Albatross.
-G
p.s. i’m not really sure why you said that… i’ve always praised the blue america work.
…. and just to be clear, not trying to be critical towards anyone here. was arguing for a point of view. i really wish i knew how to disagree without it being taken as a personal criticism. i’d be grateful for any suggestions on how i could do that.
We have flawed Ds. That’s a given.
What we have is a intellectually dishonest read on the world out there.
What we have is an intellectually dishonest read on the forces at play in the nation.
And an intellectually dishonest read on what this economy is.
Let’s get real and call a spade a spade.
My children are all I can think about in relation to now-thank you for sharing that-when people ask what to do ..you are doing it.
use imo …i do
a commenter here (sorry, i forgot who) said it was neither… it was an endless chess game.
i liked that metaphor a lot, because it captures both the long view – much longer than any of us will be around – with the idea that each and every move is critical and one small misstep now can set us back strategically for years.
i guess that’s why sometimes is feels like BOTH a sprint AND a marathon.
This approach, the marathon is only one. And it may be too slow for what is needed.
I suspect that the next 3 or 4 years will be disasterous for this country. All the result of what has been festering for decades and sped up by the most recent period of stupidity in DC.
We need to get moving a lot quicker than in a marathon. We will need some sprinting. We need both I suppose.
But we need to focus on the whole bogus narrative out there in the media, in the minds of americans.
Take a trip to Europe and speak to the people there. They see things very differently. Why?
I’ll say it again. If the Dem nominee can’t beat this warmonger, the Democratic party needs to disband. All they have to do is to tie the “Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran” video to the “100 years in Iraq” piece and run it in an endless loop for a country that is sick of war.
I offer this excellent campaign advice at no charge.
or monopoly….these fools would always lose at chess imo…lol
Its a wave and a particle :)
zacktly…specially the global warming problems
i did at first, but not later. thank you for the suggestion, i’ll try to do a better job of following it.
omg. i’m crying, i’m laughing so hard.
:)
Goopers welcomed the opportunity provided by 9/11 to turn “the war on terror” into the new cold war. God they missed the OLD cold war. It enabled em to win elections by calling dems commie lovers- and then trade weapons systems for campaign cash and bennies with the military industrial complex. It was the best scam that they had ever discovered.
They aren’t about to let “Cold War 2- The Resurrection” go away without a fight- and that’s McCain’s job-
ahhhhhhhhhh your such a good wittle girl …imo
Exactly… the right has used the “national security/paranoia” meme to suck America’s wealth for 6 decades now.
It’s bogus. We saw that when the USSR turned out to be all hat and no cattle. The CIA et al should have been made to account for that LIE.
“CONFESSIONS of an ECONOMIC HITMAN”
How about this as a compromise solution. Shuster is reassigned to cover non-campaign activity issues…like the Iraq War, Pakistan, House and Senate investigations, etc.
That way the public gets him where he is needed, and in an area where is has a good track record…and away from an area where there are so many reporters and pundits that it detracts from the coverage of the real issues in the country.
In my opinion Shuster wanted to make a splash and break out from the fold by using imagery that was inappropriate. Put him in a spot where he isn’t going to have to do that.
Also MSNBC and other networks should be on-call that using sexist and racist code-words or language…is not tolerable. That rule should apply to not only “reporters” but also the folks like O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and the myriad others that use the public airwaves to drop bombs on the voters.
There was that ex-RNC creep on the Book Salon yesterday who never actually revealed his methods at “fixing” elections…essentially saying “Buy My Book”. But what was clear was that the fellow had no moral compass or ethical guideposts even now. His sole barometer was “Is what we are doing currently LEGAL”. He appears to have no idea that the laws which exist are derived from ethical and moral concerns and are created to inoculate the public from people that lack the “angels on their shoulder” and a deeper sense of what is the entire rationale of democracy.
I suspect that one technique is the defamation of character that is released at a critical moment. If the response is too late and the meme spreads virally before a response, or the response is too nuanced for the public to understand…its a quite effective method. It’s equivalent to Goebble’s quite effective “Big Lie”. One mobilizes the public to such a degree that the respondant is already marginalized before they have a chance to respond…and the response is used as “proof” that there is something to hide.
I know Portman’s work. And there are others. All the “think” tanks that the right stood up were a way to mold public opinion and push the national security paranoia meme onto the public… along with their selfish agenda of greed is good. It work so well in getting people to spend money they didn’t have to acquire illusory status… all while making the corporations who run the tanks richer.
Century of the Self… See it.
Trouble for the goopers is that there might not be any more attacks for a long time- in which case Cold War 2- is dead in it’s tracks. By invading a few more moslem countries, we can stir up enough hornets to insure a few more bombings- and then it’s “game on” for the goopers.
I think Schuster is an Obama partisan and was trying to talk with the lingo of the young folks who are enthusiastic about Obi. It was a dumb move.
Nothing wrong with Chelsea as a partisan. But how do these people get non listed numbers to make calls like that?
Calling the View was a dumb idea unless all they wanted was publicity… any publicity. It’s a duimb gossip show… Does she think they would then go press for hill because chlesea called? Dumb move.
If america ever learned where it’s defense spending was going- what bizarre totally stupid projects were being funded on a cost plus basis- they’d rebel. Fortunately- that’s largely classified!
That is unless you believe in false flag ops.
Who sent the anthrax?
Most likely it was from someone INSIDE this country and not a “sleeper cell”. It was some sort of a right wing op. or False Flag.
It is a story that we ought to all learn from…
oh please. The people that never had anything to learn because they could read bush/cheney regime lies a mile away still don’t have anything to learn. The rest still don’t want to know or are on-board with the lies and dissembling to achieve the neocon objective of all war all the time.
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It would be interesting…as the Republicans may very well try to advance the pace of such an impeachment process to occur before the next Congress takes over. If the articles were still “active” at that point…the effect would be to have an imopeachment of a departed President, VP or other executive officers.
The articles would then face two possibilities…the Democratic-controlled Senate might say…Bush and Cheney are gone why impeach. Let’s move on.
OR the Senate might say…Bush and Cheney can still veto the release of their Executive Records even if the sitting President authorizes that. Only if there is a conviction by impeachment can the powers of a former President or VP be removed
[Actually there are two other methods, but these would require court challenges…a) if the sitting President reviewed the records and found evidence of a crime, or b) if the sitting President revised the prior Executive order on Presidential Records, which might be challenged re.ex post facto.]
Impeachment after an individual has left office has both logical and legal precedent. The Secretary of War under Jackson was impeached by the House and resigned to avoid having the charges voted upon in the Senate DURING the trial. The House and the Senate voted overwhelmingly that such charges were still valid even though the officer had already resigned since conviction not only entails REMOVAL, but also a BAN on holding future positions of “honor, trust and profit” under the United States, and a removal of all emoluments of former power (pension, franking privilege, etc.).
In this case the critical privilege would be Bush or Cheney’s ability to constrain Congress, the Courts, Investigators and the Public from having access to Executive records. That alone makes impeachment a necessary measure to take EVEN AFTER he leaves office.
In addition there is the disgrace element that will constrain future executives from ever considering egregious violations of the rule of law and their Constitutional oath ever more. I’d throw in the inability of a disgraced President to fashion a false legacy by using material acquired during that Presidency to fill their Presidential
ShrineLibrary. They, and other Executive officers impeached. would be constrained from lobbying Congress or Branches of the Government, receiving grants or contracts, using the regalia of their office (no use of the term former “President of the United States” unless it specified “impeached and convicted former President of the United States”. No use of the Great Seal, or “Hail To The Chief”, no office space, and no Secret Service protection.If Condi were impeached her dream of being Commissioner of the NFL would be quashed. No “Special Ambassador” position for Bush to Paraguay or the Chamber of Commerce of Guam. And no return of many of the younger of these freaks to serve under some future right-wing El Presidente!
i really doubt they would.
Don’t give up the ghost just yet my friend, this is just one chapter and I will say this again and again-The fat lady has not sung her song.
As Yogi said, it aint over ’til it’s over. :) :)
You’re right- I got a little carried away there.
Shuster used the word in a manner that even young people would have found unfamiliar. He appropriated the phrase “pimped out” to not mean
“customized or accessorized in a grandiose manner”…or even the more generic “cool, groovy, out-of-sight” sort of use.
Pimped Out
He used it to suggest that Chelsea was sent out involuntarily and abusively, and tasked to wile others (Super Delegates) with her “charms”.
That’s not how young people use the phrase, and I’d suggest it’s actually “inside the beltway” slang. In this usage the “tasker” is a “pimp”/”madam” (I wonder if Hillary is covertly referred to as “Madame/ Mistress Clinton”), and the involuntary underling is a “whore” and “prostituting themselves” by “whoring their services out”.
Schuster fucked up and he’s getting his hand slapped. I don’t see anything more to it than that.
Different groups will try to appropriate the rules of the contest to whatever advantage that serves. If they can only win sprinting, then they try to make it into a sprint. If they can’t win right away it’ll be a marathon. In many cases the rules are set already. And if a group wants to pillage the Treasury, and the reality is that this will cause the collapse of the system, they only have a short period of time to do so…
at the same time one has to wonder where they were going to put their assets if they actually succeeded? If the stock or real estate market collapses, or the dollar drops, or there is a widespread depression…where are they going to put anything that they stole?
even here at the lake they have a hard time looking behind the curtain
Your evidence for that would be? Don’t just throw something out without providing linkage, please.
Because we spend a whole helluva lot of time peeking behind a whole helluva lot of curtains. Casting aspersion is easy when you aren’t the one who has to do the shitload of research it takes to put up a well-researched piece that stands up to scrutiny. So links, please…
Okay, so we have all this information. Now what? This excellent site and numerous others, which constantly present details that should by all rights, have our POTUS in jail, are it seems, just for our own continuing frustration. Certainly no one in power is reading them, or if so, are not taking them to heart and acting upon them. So what do we do. We need to find the next step. It’s a question I put out there, because the level of group intelligence here at FDL is most excellent and far superior to my own ideas. So please help me, us, before all the anger and frustration that is out there in the progressive blog world spills out in an unproductive way. Thanks, AngryB
Yes, I think I did wake up a little cranky today. *g*
Wow, that doesn’t say the half of it…
When I think that that soul-damaged fuck of a President sent these young men off on his goose-chase, and now that they’re back with these severe brain injuries you’ve got penny-pinchers counting out the care that they’re given… after they’ve sacrificed everything for their nation…
May the President be afflicted with a conscience and live a very, very long time.
it’s just my view and how i see it. also, i think your blog is one of the best so i’m sorry if my view is out of line.
I suspect that the premise is that FDL accepts the system of government, parties the media and so forth and thinks it just needs to be set right by clearing away the bad apples and miscreants. That the system should work if every plays by the rules and is fair.
Some on the left would say that the system itself is the problem and it will always favor the oligarchy, the privileged few, the already powerful. That unless and until you have a real level playing field it will alway be an unjust system of the upper class with their boots on the neck of the lower class.
Though we had a decent middle class, we’ve never eliminated poverty and suffering in this country and our system seems to thrive on an underclass, be they unorganized workers or exploited immigrants. And the underclass is growing, and the middle class is now is decline. The rich are doing fine.
It’s all about the money, some would say. Our free market capitalism is exploitive and keeping too many people down.
NP — I’m cranky today, I think. Have been fielding a bunch of “why aren’t you fixing this” and “why aren’t you doing something about that” and all sorts of whinging e-mails lately. Sometimes, being one person who is trying to make a difference and having people get pissed at you because you aren’t making a difference fast enough for their liking…gets on your last nerve. (According to one person, for example, the FISA mess is all my fault. SIGH)
Today, after a long week of those sorts of e-mails, is just one of those days for me, I’m afraid. Calgon, take me away…
Corporate ownership of the MSM
(((CHS)))
I really value all the hard work you do even if I do come off a grumpy myself sometimes :)
i do so love the lake
The Lake is a stimulating place. Tt’s making things change, one mind at a time.
me too.
disagreement does not affect that.