In the late-20th century and especially in this first decade of the 21st century, there have been impassioned and highly controversial debates about the merits and demerits of trade agreements like the World Trade Organization (WTO), North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA), and the Dominican Republic-Central American Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA)–which was simply called CAFTA before January 2004 and renamed after. Recent discussions about globalization and the asymmetries of these agreements can be found here, here, and here. And yet, as I’ll show, these agreements simply formalized (or attempted to formalize) a sub-rosa globalization and a new international division of capital and labor that began to operate defacto since the mid-1970s. Capitalism and technology played a huge role in these developments, with both equally contributing to this enterprise.
Before the mid-1970s, there was a pact between capital and labor in general, and in particular, among labor, management, and the state: that is, with the cooperation of labor and management, the state regulated and arbitrated productivity, wages, and profits. The production of consumer products developed mass consumption–in other words, supply worked to create demand. Americans became consumers of their own products–pace Henry Ford: "Our workers shall also be our customers," a capitalist model commonly known as Fordism.
However, by the mid-1970s, the saturation of domestic markets for consumer products led to the expansion of capital into third-world countries for the production and increasing consumption of these products by a robust and cheap third-world urban labor force ready for work but disorganized. Capital then became extremely fluid, eroding to a certain extent the boundaries and functions of traditional nation-states: no restrictions on first-world investment and transfers of capital, as third-world governments lusted after first-world revenues, and as first-world global (transnational) corporations lusted after cheap and robust third-world labor. This was a truly symbiotic relationship indeed, which eventually led to two condominiums.
The first condominium comprised first-world imperial agents and a third-world local elite that needed the same (and phenomenally contradictory) obligations from third-world countries: a weak government in relation to capital (no restrictions on the fluidity of capital) and a strong government in relation to labor (to guarantee a needy domestic labor market by imposing taxes and overpricing punitive to the poor). Now, this new international division of labor and capital started working for the free global circulation of humans, products, and information. Which brings us to the second condominium, a logical corollary and in fact the result of the first one: that of capital and technology.
In the first world, in the mid-1970s and through the early 1980s, capital began to assign value to information and knowledge. Put in other words (so to speak), capital began to value information as a product. Now in capitalism, what is valued is what can be exchanged: a product has exchange-value. Once this new value process began to value information, as distinct from concrete products like soap and furniture, the time of information (which capital has now determined to have labor-power) began to free itself from the time of concrete labor. As a result, capitalism began to lose interest in organizing space into sectors for labor production, and began to focus instead on capturing all of time under its own laws of asymmetric exchange. (Needless to say, this new development dissolved the old pact between capital and labor.) In this new regime created by capital and technology, time and human bodies were liberated from the space of labor production, and home and work became indistinguishable (pace the rapid acceleration of telecommuting). The sequence worked thus: information as product allowed capital to free time from the space of concrete labor; then capital was free to lock up time all together and to conscript human beings into the service of capital and of time. (Time itself played the contradictory and peculiar roles of master and slave. We recall here that popular expression: "Time is money and money is time." ) (and its vulgar cousin expressions "I’m running short on time" "Do you have enough time to do this?" "You have too much time on your hands" and so and so on) And Eric Alliez has spoken of human beings as civil servants of time.
Capital and technology eventually produced a teletopia that erased the duration of time and the extension of space. This teletopia can also go by another name: globalization, which depends on absolute speed (pace Paul Virilio) to produce unequal exchanges between capital and labor, on the one hand, and unequal relationships and asymmetrical "formal" trade contracts between the first world and the third world, on the other hand. In the US, globalization can also be simply understood on one level as the flight of domestic jobs into the global labor market.
To repeat: WTO, NAFTA, FTAA, and DR-CAFTA simply formalized this new regime that had been in operation since the mid-1970s. The problem is that these trade agreements are among unequal and asymmetric countries. As an example: NAFTA established trade contracts among first-world countries (US, Canada), third-world countries (Mexico, all the Central American countries, and almost all South American countries except Chile–see below); and the only country in NAFTA that strands the first-world and the third world–Chile, which is neither completely first world nor completely third world–and which is a phenomenon that deserves its own analysis at some point…
(Image courtesy Hoodwinked: The Myth of Free Trade)



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You beat me physioprof! Congrats to you and Biodun.
Hi, Biodun! You are so right that “free trade” sucks for the average worker, so long as there is such extreme asymmetry in standard of living between countries. However, it works quite well for the global corporate oligarchy.
Suppose we were to offer protection to our markets from “outsiders”–tarrifs set high. Would America be in better shape? Would labor benefit?
Biodun! Good to see you up there.
Going up to read.
If americans were willing to pay a premium to “buy american”- this would be a non-issue. But given the realities of the marketplace- they buy Chinese- or they buy Toyota rather than Chevy because of a quality differential.
Hey Richmond…Thanks…
EPUd
I suspect that the premise is that FDL accepts the system of government, parties the media and so forth and thinks it just needs to be set right by clearing away the bad apples and miscreants. That the system should work if every plays by the rules and is fair.
Some on the left would say that the system itself is the problem and it will always favor the oligarchy, the privileged few, the already powerful. That unless and until you have a real level playing field it will alway be an unjust system of the upper class with their boots on the neck of the lower class.
Though we had a decent middle class, we’ve never eliminated poverty and suffering in this country and our system seems to thrive on an underclass, be they unorganized workers or exploited immigrants. And the underclass is growing, and the middle class is now is decline. The rich are doing fine.
It’s all about the money, some would say. Our free market capitalism is exploitive and keeping too many people down.
I think that’s what the US is trying to do to China right now..Whether Congress will actually let that happen is another thing…
Here’s a conundrum – more corn is being sold as an alternate fuel, leaving starving people.
In small town Amerika I am the eccentric professor who drives a “rice burner”(Toyota)
Biodun, very profound. Thanks JLC
SanderO – whether or not I agree with your takes here, who is this “FDL” you mention?
Great post, Biodun. I hadn’t heard the term teletopia before. It’s a keeper. The only thing that I would add to this is the issue of the cold war and how things have changed. The Cold War (Soviet vs the West) was a “hot” factor then, East and West block countries siding up with every third world country big and small with arms deals etc as aid in part to get them on their side for UN votes and the sale of foreign goods. . Gary Trudeau’s cartoon about Benin (West africa) was part of this. Television and other propaganda was controlled in key parts of the east block world (in places like Africa) with North Korean input.
What has happened, in my view, post cold war (aided by the world bank, IMF, state department etc) is a peeling away of government controls so as to allow venture capitalists to control more of the industry, minerals etc. in a “free for all” atmosphere in which individuals of power and wealth (both inside and outside the country) are benefitting hugely, but not the people at large. THis also serves to disempower local national governments, and to promote civil war (outside financiers and investors can benefit far more if they don’t have to give a cut to national governments (say Congo) and only have to pay off military officers in one side or the other of a civil war. In some ways what we are seeing – framed in both contexts – is a new and in some ways more dangerous era of international colonialism.
Thanks…
When American consumers had job and housing security, they would have gladly paid a premium to buy a Toyota over a Chevy. Tarrifs on Toyotas would have worked – that is before Dubya’s ownership economy totally wrecked everything.
Nafta, Cafta and the WTO surely have helped so called third world countries and banana republics. Why just look how these enactments have put an end to immigration and settled poor foreign folks’, (not to mention poor domestic folks) economic problems. Illegal and otherwise. Nobody wants to leave “paradise” anymore. And then we have that paradigm for helping the poor: the DLC. Obviously what is needed is more Carlyle Groups and the like. It’s all so ‘complicated’. It’s about greed and connections. And that’s it.
Does Naomi Wolf’s “Disaster Capitalism” play a huge role here as well?
Biodun, did you mean to have that “(a)” in the title of the post? It seems out of place.
The comment was a response to a post about behind the curtain here… here being FDL.
I understand we are about to be sued for $3,000,000,000 by Brazil for exceeding our cotton seed oil production in this country. This is free trade?
As always with economic posts, the one question that the marketplace idealists can never answer: What happens when the folks for whom the product is supposed to be marketed can no longer afford the product? If salaries and wages are continually pushed down, there has to be a point where there is no one able or willing to buy the product.
Or I may be an idiot.
It’s about greed and connections…
You’re right about that one, as you are with a lot of other concepts.
It’s a ubiquitous truth.
Ah, well. You see, the historical conditions I set forth began in the mid-1970s, and the new regime was full-blown by 1991, when the Soviet Union and communism collapsed. Get my point? I basically was laying the terrain that capitalism and technology laid out for operations that agreements like GAT, which preceded and morphed into WTO, NAFTA, etc tried to rein in…, to control…
Jim Clausen: I am really embarrassed to say I haven’t read it yet. I need/want to. No doubt, Biodun would have a good perspective on this too.
Biodun – This is quite a piece of research and well expressed.
Yesterday, I wrote about Western economics dealing in parts of a whole instead of all the components of the whole. Therefore, it will only serve a few, leave the largest percentage out altogether, and will throw crumbs to a substantial group called the Middle Class.
There are societies who developed economic systems that included the entire society, found mostly in Asia. These were balanced societies. They deal with the whole and base every aspect of the society on the interdependence and interrelation of one part on the other parts.
I see WTO and NAFTA as deformed thought. The ideology is stunted. It came out of a ruling hierarchical class and large surfdom social structure.
On purpose, sir. (a) signals “agreements like NAFTA”: NAFTA or its brethren or sisters…*g*
Absolutely. You just made me think historically about how other things had changed too. Powerful piece you have written. Thanks.
Capitalism has become a word for accumulation and concentration of wealth in just (by comparision) a very few hands. “Capitalism”? Bunk. What’s needed is a drastic redistribution of wealth.
Got it. But who the fuck is “sir”? It sure ain’t me!
I see it as more of an international corporation vs. government via the anti-President Bush administration.
Agreements may have favored the so called first world governments because they hosted the corporations that benefited from them. However since that time and before, corporations have grown increasingly non-nationalistic and more to a mercenary fair winds country of choice.
Now that international trade agreements have supplanted legitimate governments it could even become anti-social to protest for environmental issues and labor rights. A corporate Blackwater could come in and enforce some trade court verdict that favors the corporation.
Scary stuff and not very far fetched.
Oh well at least it will not be the U.S. Army and Marine Corp.
God Bless and good night.
No you’re not. No one can your question. Maybe it has to be framed differently.
Great post, Biodun. Good to see you on the front page!
LOL! Sorry about that…I think I was fooled by the Physio part…
Thanks, MayDaze…
I am off to oversee my kid’s birthday party – I check back in later. Again, Biodun, great post!
Costa Ricans have been raising their own cattle. The meat is usually a bit tougher than what Nortes are accustomed to eating, but it tastes much better. The cows eat lots of natural plants and are not full of hormones and chemicals. Through CAFTA, Costa Rica will be receiving their US beef as we speak. The people fought against CAFTA for several years, but it finally got rammed down theit throats. It sucks.
Want to bring down an economy? Spend $15,000,000,000 per month on unwinnable wars. Cut taxes. Institute loose available credit, and spend, spend spend.
Brilliant post!!!!!!!!!
My take is that the corporations with their think tanks leading the charge basically convinced government that what’s good for corporations is good for… everyone. Slide over and let us make everyone have a better life. The rising tide lifts all ships meme.
The convinced the US which had control over capitalafter they crashed the economy in 29, they they could make it work again if they removed ALL restraint. Without the USSR we could have it all.
Capital is simply looking to extract wealth from labor whether it is work, or intellectual property. Intellectual property is very much like financial instruments, which have no inherent value. You just create demand and trade them as if they were commodities.
Capitalism is, of course a ponzi scheme. And a ponzi scheme works for those except on the ground floor and best for those way up at the top of the pyramid. There is no other way for capitalism to work. You have to accept that there will be an exploited underclass, for the rest to have “wealth”.
Globalization is the process to seek a new floor for the ponzi scheme… ever widening and each person required to add just a tiny bit, but multiple that billions and you see how it works.
To fuel capitalism you need energy and credit. One is a relatively finite resource and the other is simply made up from whole clothe and inserted into the economy as “assets” even though it is quite the reverse debt.
A bank can write billions in loans and they show as assets… but they don’t exist unless those loans are repaid. And when will that be? See it’s another aspect of the illusion of wealth in capitalism and the ponzi scheme.
That’s where credit comes in… and that is just another name for feudalism and slavery.
I meant: no one can answer your question…
I ain’t “ma’am”, either!
This is also a great example of how much more effective the corporatist message machine is at controlling the terms of discourse than progressives. I mean, who could be against “Free Trade”?
wow Biodun! good post!
One thing I find hopeful and exciting is the influence we as consumers and activists can have in all of this. Thanks to the anti-sweatshop folks and similar movements, the large companies who approached globalization as a get rich quick game are being forced to establish social audits and account for their treatment of workforces, the environment and impacts on their local communities. When you see Kraft, Wal-Mart and more expanding their Fair Trade offerings, you’re seeing the results of consumer pressure – driven by activist education programs – create a shift in this whole dynamic. Pretty powerful stuff.
You get it. You’re no idiot. We always use cars as the example for why Americans don’t buy American products. That isn’t true. The auto companies made a deal to produce a poor product and milk the citizens for everything that have. The deal was/is made with other industries such as oil and gas.
This is also true of washing machines and dryers. When last has the design and technology been updated in the past sixty years other than switching knobs around? Never. The Swedes made machines that were energy efficient, heated its won water, used almost no soap and gave you eight rinses. They were also small and compact and too little space. Their dishwashers werre so silent you had to put your hand on it to see if it was running. American corporations opted not to do that and to continue to play us for suckers.
Cloths manufactured in the US were far superior to what is manufactured in countries outside of Europe. And they are very expensive and fall apart. The lie is that Americans want cheaper products. I can produce beautiful clothes made with high quality fabric and dyes for less than Wal-Mart sells its trash.
When is the last you were able to add to your savings account?
When I was out shopping earlier, I saw a person wearing a t-shirt that said, “We’re not happy, until you’re not happy.”
Prolly not the intention of this agenda, but, perhaps an underlying effect, nevertheless.
I drive a twenty year old Chevy V-6 S10 Blazer. My lady drives a ten year old four-banger Toyota PU. The point is: Americans must also assume responsibility for the economic mess that’a coming.
I’m not sure it can be asked differently. As the world exists today,few people in the countries now doing the manufacturing can afford the products, no matter what products it may be. Clothing, electronics, cars, whatever. Most of these are priced beyond the range of the people who build them. And with the purposeful depression of wages in the US and the rest of the so-called developed world, it seems logical to me that the same point will be reached here sooner rather than later. It appears undeniably obvious to me yet the multi-national corporations and the governments just continue on like there will always be someone there to spend the money.
At one point- shipping costs were a built in tarrif. Now many of the products being traded have virtually no shipping costs (eg software) and for others the shipping cost has become a miniscule part of the overall cost. So we now are close to a world economy- good and bad in that.
*So, imagine if the Democratic Party stopped counting votes in order to allow Sen. Clinton to win?
Think the media would be manning the ramparts and laying siege to the Clinton campaign?
Well, it looks like the GOP stopped counting votes in Washington state at 87% counted in order to prevent a 3 state McCain slaughter by Huckabee.
Count every vote!
-G
*Don’t perceive this as a slam on Senator Clinton.
Thanks, Siun…you see, globalization is here to stay, unfortunately. You can’t put toothpaste back in in tube…It’s not a question of anti-globalization but how we can organize globalization differently to bring in fairness…That where the activism comes in..
FWIW, food products – meat, poultry, fruits and vegetables offer much better quality and flavor in many third world countries than US (and often Canada) products from giant agri-businesses. Chickens and pigs actually get to walk around on the ground in Mexico and Central America.
I don’t agree with this post. Though it’s bad taste to pull rank on a democratic blog like this, I have to say that I study this type of thing for a living, and though I am hardly a free-trade fundamentalist, and am fully aware that such deals do not emerge fully formed from the head of some economist, and that they have a ’history’, the basic premise still strikes me as off-track.
It’s clear that falling costs of communication, both in air travel and electronic communication have made it possible to organize production of certain new classes of commodity over much wider spaces than was previously conceivable. Down to the 1930s, that organization was pretty much confined to homogeneous commodities like agricultural and mineral raw materials. It now encompasses objects that are highly differentiated and whose characteristics often change quickly in response to fashion or new technologies.
I think most economists, myself included, believe that this is all to the good. NAFTA, for example, has been very good for Canada, though the recent very large rise in Canada’s dollar has undercut some part of that good from the standpoint of manufacturing employment. Looking further afield, it is hard not to attribute the rising living standards in the two most populous nations in the world to the growth of world trade.
Now, it is all very easy for tenured economists to bloviate on the wonders of free trade when they don’t have to worry about losing their jobs in the process (at least not yet). But there are a lot of things that can be done to help people in such circumstances. It’s not rocket science. We only have to look to countries like Denmark and Sweden and Germany to see how highly open economies manage to preserve living standards of persons who lose out when trade undercuts their living.
It’s not the trade. It’s the way our government treats our poor.
Your mattress will guarantee you a safer and equal return.
Dak,
What you will see is a change in the nature of what is produced.
The workers will be offered low cost, low quality necessities which they can barely afford. It will keep them going and producing.
Then there will be production of luxury items which the top can afford.
We will have a society with a small elite, a tiny middle class to cater to them and a huge working class to slave away.
Ultimately they will eliminate the lower class because they will become unnecessary and a drain on the planet. Why waste some much energy on the worker bees and the drones?
My brother and I own a bike shop. 95% of what is sold there is from China. A chinese bike can be wholesales for as little as $100. There is zero US competition at that price point. The amount of tarrif protection required to get us back in that business would be incredible- at least 200% of value.
Then how do you explain China? Where manufacturers will soon be transformed into consumers…then watch out! The biggest mofo market in the whole world…
Huckabee should send a mob of evangelicals into the Washington State GOP chanting ‘count every vote’.
‘Cept he should make ‘em wear overalls and plaid….instead of Brooks Brothers suits.
-G
Damn you RWCole, I always slip into Cole Slang when you are around…..
Don’t like the economic ring of things? We elected Reagan twice. We elected Bush twice. And in effect we elected the “Third Way” and the DLC twice. And on that note we are perhaps poised to “elect” the ‘third-Way’ and the DLC potentially twice more (Sen. Clinton).
In any event, the thought here is we are headed straight for protectionism and a very nasty recession. “Recession”? Some may well have another word for this.
Me too!
This is true. Produce from the Agromonsters are terrible and very high prices, many coming from farms off-shore that once belonged to independent farmers.
There are many organizations in the US that advocate community suppported agriculture. Most of these are small organic farmers. I call it real food. They do the same thing with meats. Small local farmers need to be supported. We hold the purse. Stop shopping at Wal-Mart and giant supermarkets.
Have to admit that this topic is over my head- and I had many credit hours of economics in college eons ago. Would require a LOT of study to get up to speed. This is COMPLICATED!
Have you read Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism
Author: Ha-Joon Chang? He was just on CSPAN2.
Huckabee should raise hell over this evil shite. McCain killed McAbel!
eCAHN, what is your take on Knut’s argument that the issue isn’t “free trade”, but rather specific policies to help the poor.
Hucky’s gig ain’t up yet. He’s still got a few numbers ta do- break a leg Hucky!
The middle class (and certainly the service sector worker, and the poor) doesn’t save anymore. Why? Because there’s nothing left over at the end of the month to save. But… there is a certain segment of society that is able to save and invest a bundle each year. I wonder who that ’segment’ is?
If China becomes the leading consumer nation in the world I might believe it but right now, I don’t see it. There’s far too large a gap there between the haves and have nots and if they try to move too fast, I would not at all be surprised to see a repeat of the Cultural Revolution. You know, another one of those deals where folks who forget history repeat it.
Its the one-percenters. And they ain’t no motorcycle gang.
My response to Knut @ 53…
The government sets up the trade agreements whose effects then turn around to hurt the poor. And it’s the way those governments set up those trade agreements to begin with.
I have no comment on tenured economists not having to worry about losing their jobs part…
My bold. Academics and refugees from academia know exactly what this means…
Scandi countries are highly regulated and not free market examples. They are much closer to social welfare states and nothing like the US model.
World poverty is growing even if manufacturing skills are spread around and raising some in formerly very poor countries. Wealth continues to concentrate without intervention for some sort of redistribution and that is not going to happen in unfettered market based economies. Profits keep moving to the top. That’s the idea isn’t it?
Some early results coming in from the Pine Tree State (that’s Maine) Caucuses.
Turn Maine Blue Caucus Live Blog
You need to thoroughly understand this: A few are meant to be rich; most are meant to live a life of varied degrees of poorness. That’s just the way of things.
There is no such thing as an unfettered market based economy…The economies of the world show differences in degree- not differences in kind. All have SOME restrictions- none totally abandon the market.
The chinese cannot be consumers unless they sell to the rest of the world so that they can have wealth. If the rest of the world can’t even afford chinese stuff they will have to produce for their own economy.
What happens if the US defaults on all their chinese and japanese bonds? Poof all the wealth disappears!
Both. The author I mentioned in 63 argued compellingly that almost every developed country did so thru protectionist policies. And that developing countries following Washington Consensus rules saw growth slow after they switched gears. But he also points out that there is less resistence in Europe to losing industries to foreign trade because they have a much better social safety net, so that the death of a particular industry in a particular country does not mean the end of life for the workers in that industry.
The power mix between capital & labor has shifted too much to the former. Trade rules that benefit capital & harm labor in both trading partners is only one of the many indications of that power shift.
Excellent post. The freeing up of capital favored development when directed and speculative schemes when it wasn’t. It also resulted in investors being favored over workers. Workers’ wages have stagnated since. It takes more time at work to stay in place for most people. They’re just treading water. I don’t know that technology caused this change so much as facilitated an investor driven economy which favored this happening.
The problem with globalization is that it was incompletely applied. There was globalization of capital markets and the labor pool. There was not globalization in terms of workers’ rights, worker safety, quality control of products, and environmental protection. The result is that we have effectively exported much of our pollution abroad. We have supported some development but this has often been erratic or temporary. Jobs exported to Mexico went to countries like Bengladesh and then to China. Workers in the Mexicos and Bengladeshs of the world dried up and with them development. The invisible hand created cheaper products but as we have seen with lead paint in toys and poisoned petfood these products can be dangerous.
All sides have won and lost in this process. I would say compared to a more reasoned and sustainable approach to development all have done worse than they might have. Foreign workers get jobs and some development but at great cost to themselves and often with only temporary benefits. Investors get large profits which are usually squandered in speculative bubbles. American workers get cheaper goods but lose their jobs only to find ones that pay less and with fewer benefits.
China has a massive starving class that exceeds the US total population. Once you step outside the major cities, it is five hundred years ago. With the size of their population even one percent is one gigantic market. I’ll take one tenth of one percent. That would put me in competition with Bill Gates.
Nature of the Chinese. By nature they are a frugal people. They don’t consume and toss the way Americans do. Neither do Europeans for that matter. Americans are rediculous.
They are way past that. The genie is way out of the bottle. I spent some time there in 2002. From what I saw, no way. Leo Gerstein, the former IBM CEO, went back to school to study Chinese civilization because he said China’s where it’s at in the 21st century…The Atlantic Monthly’s James Fallows is living there right now for the same reason. I think a lot of people would not agree with you here…
By comparision… to say the likes of the Bush family, I am very poor. But I realize I’m poor because I choose to be poor. I like it.
‘The fastest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket’
Attributed to Mark Twain.
And one of these days, China will overtake the United States in gross national output of air pollution.
A lot of Canadians would give you an argument on how great NAFTA has been for us. We would also be happier if the US could bring itself to honour agreements and dispute resolution mechanisms – softwood lumber comes to mind.
Exactly. I was hoping you’d be at the Lake…
Hugh – This is my point @26. We only address one part of the whole. It has to be addressed in total to work.
I hope that you are correct. If that happens, maybe the US will become a manufacturing nation again and redress the trade imbalance.
I have been pointing out for a long time, there is no such thing as “free trade”, corporations will take advantage of the society whenever possible
if they can get away with 60 hour work weeks, slave labor, child labor, and dumping garbage in the air without cleaning it up, that’s what they will do
when a company exports jobs and imports profit, we MUST tariff that product if the corporation is producing it by avoiding it’s bills
a corporations bills are as follows
rent
electricity
heat
water
labor
infrastructure
cleaning up after itself
the health and welfare of it’s workforce
there are other expenses but everyone gets the idea, that a corporation MUST pay these bills, they cannot defer those costs onto the laborer
when they export jobs in their effort to avoid paying their own bills, we MUST tariff them so that the bills they haven’t payed are not payed by the laborer
very simple stuff here, this is NOT taxation it’s collecting the bill producers incur
Now I see that Leo Gerstein might be a bad example, given what he did to IBM…*g*
The price of raw materials and the energy to transform them, coupled with wages and benefits is what drove a lot of manufacturers out in the first place.
Like someone upthread said, I’m not up on all of the details of this, but I know how I make money, how much I have, and how to spend it.
I try to be green.
I try to be healthy, in all senses.
What I do understand is my particular circumstances.
I joked here after Xmas that my sister had given me a $10 WalMart gift card.
Ha ha.
But, I’m seriously on the edge, financially, and when my son asked to move back home, of course I said yes. He’s a college student. His glass broke. I checked three different places for prices, like a responsible consumer.
Oh, I have to admit that I took him to WalMart. I paid one-half the price I would have anywhere else.
Did I feel guilty? Yes.
Did I feel good that he has two new pairs of glasses? Yes.
I’m just saying that I cannot afford to Politically Correct everytime I purchase things.
And, I also don’t buy my dog bottled water. :) (Hi, Busted!)
I don’t follow this point…
“…in the mid-1970s and through the early 1980s, capital began to assign value to information and knowledge. Put in other words (so to speak), capital began to value information as a product.”
While capital does assign value to information and knowledge, it didn’t begin in the ’70s, it has always done so since the invention of capital. It began in the empires of early history, Egyptians, Romans etc.
The availability of consumer computer technology through relatively inexpensive microproccessors was a 70s era advance, but it didn’t originate the assignment of value to information and knowledge. What it did was originate new ways of marketing it.
—–
Another point I see in a different perspective:
Rather than “…information as product allowed capital to free time from the space of concrete labor”, I think the reality is a little more tangible. Post WWII saw a surge in domestic American industrialism, to fill the gaps in the economic cycle created during the Great Depression and WWII.
But as the post alludes to with, “these trade agreements are among unequal and asymmetric countries”, American industry could not market as well to lower tiered economic markets, so those markets industrialized for themselves. The result was lower cost production which could be marketed back to the U.S. at a lower price, so competitive, it drove American industrial production out into the cheaper labor market.
In simple terms, the basic economic law – supply and demand.
And now on the horizon; the long-sleeping giant, China, is awakening.
You should check out this book. Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism
Author: Ha-Joon Chang
In addition to making his argument by looking at the data (what a radical idea), he’s also funny. For example, he shows a picture of several U.S. presidents who could not get a loan from the IMF by today’s rules. And then he flashes on the screen a picture of the U.S. $1, $5, $20.
Followed an SUV home last night with business stickers on it- “organic food for dogs and cats”
Is this what led to the decapitation of the rich during the French Revolution?
Gates has spoken. I feel all better now. And what’s more my lady wants to go down to the Red River, two miles from here, and read to me while I fish for cats. Life is good.
AP – Hard choices face Iraq’s political leaders on how to stabilize the country despite promising new signs of progress toward reconciliation, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.
In the DVD The Corporation, the word externalize is used. Corporations externalize their expenses. Wal Mart for example. Their low wages and unusable health insurance externalizes costs. Earned income credit, food stamps, subsidized housing, medicaid for delivering babies, emergency rooms for medical needs, etc.
We feed our pets cake. ;0)
Demi says,
You crack me up!
Hi back at ya!
Agreed, but information was not the full-blown commodity that it is now…in a service economy. The economies of the Egyptians and Romans were decidedly not service economies…
Biodun,
I guess I already knew most of what you wrote in your essay – just had never articulated it to myself or anyone else nearly that clearly. Thanks! I’m going to make my kids read it before they get any more money from me.
Then we need to re-assess how we deal with time, and the peculiar notions humans have of it, namely past, present and future. The arrow of time points one way for humans, while physics essentially denies that arrow as having any validity. Measurements are a case in point. If I want to measure the lengh of something, I take my ruler, set the beginning and end points and read off the results. Hmmm, not quite right, so I go back to the end point as make sure it’s properly placed, and read off the results, and so on.
Take speed (distance over time) I set the starting place in space and set the clock at zero, then start the measurement, reading off the result. Hmm, not sure of my answer so I go back….hey! That starting time is past! Can’t get it. Got to start all over again.
This may sound off the wall, but it isn’t. It illustrates the problems we have as a result of operation, or trying to operate equally in past, present and future.
Zen has it right!
Thanks. I’ll check it out…
Thanks, ET. lol..re: the kids..
Good one! I hope you and lahoma enjoy the reading/fishing!
Gone fishing. Lahoma tells me if I catch ‘em and cook them she will clean them. Experience has shown me that this deal doesn’t usually work out that way. I catch them. I cook them and I clean ‘em.
Hey kiddo, you should read this.
Thats the difference with information though, time sort of stands still, for example, we are still using math formula’s developed by the Greeks nearly two centuries ago!
Wasn’t pyramid building “funereal services”?
That and that they were incentivized to leave. Economics is essentially social engineering pretending not to be social engineering. Behavior which can be incentivized can be disincentivized. There neither was nor is some natural law that says corporations must pursue their short term bottomline no matter what ruin they inflict on the people in whose societies they operate.
The United States is the only country that does not own is central bank.
Our Federal Reserve Bank is owned and run by Anglo/Dutch/Swiss interests whose main goal is globalization. IOWs the US has not the control and financial muscle to protect its industrial base.
There is no mystery to our huge balance of trade deficits while the rest of the world enjoys a trade surplus.
A woman cutting-edge particle physicist (who has devoted her time to studying time) was quoted in the Science section of the NYTimes saying “I don’t know what time is.”
Filed under a dusty cabinet named Ethics and Morality 1.0.
Shorter Gates: Iraq, blah, blah, progress, blah, blah, must stay, blah, blah.
thanx for tha hackworth, “externalized”, sounds more benign then deferred
we need an even more descriptive word then either
they are stealing from us, getting us to pay their bills and neither “externalize” nor “defer” describes what they are doing accurately
subsidized
Re Gates again, does anyone remember back when he was being sold to us as the guy who was going to be the “voice of reason” at the Pentagon?
Service economy was a very small part of imperial economies…
welfare-ized?
Better still–the corporate welfare state. What’s the corproate analogue to Reagan’s welfare queen?
Got my private pilot ticket out of Ft. Lauderdale Int’l. in 1977. I like your plane.
Late to thread (just back from Farmers’ Market)…
Biodun, this post is amazing – congratualatons. You’ve created the most succinct description of the global trade “agreement” (like…uh…when did we agree to gut our manufacturing sector…and create the Rust Belt?) I’ve ever seen.
I wish you’d been in Seattle for the WTO – this crystalline explanation is a great asset to those who seek to protect local and national rules from the corporatists’ “one treaty fits the planet” scam.
One treaty to rule us all
One treaty to mind us
One treaty to rule us all
And for the Trade Lords, bind us.
I was kind of just kidding around with the pyramid thing, although having made the joke, I am now thinking seriously about this point. Haven’t there tended to be vast numbers of personal servants working (or slaving) for the well-off in empires? Has this ever constituted a significant portion of their total economies?
No matter what they say it is ALWAYS the opposite. Bank on it.
hey, good to see you ecahn, battery about to go dead so all I can do is ask a question and get back here for the answer later;
what percentage of taxes contribute to government income for investing in our infrastructure?
the reason I am asking, since the fed loans us money at interest, I am wondering if the government became the fed and therefore had a percentage of every dollar spent, would that compensate for income tax?
whatcha think?
I know you are a fan of the fed but I am againt corporatizing any of the commons services
Ding!
Thanks for continuing to point out that “economics” rests not upon natrual laws, but upon humans’ social conventions…
(and over the past 50 years – mercilessly enforced social conventions).
True. But at the risk of splitting hairs:
They were predominantly means-of-production based, rather than predominantly service based. However, to the point of information as a commodity, they did have as much.
With the invention of tools to leverage and increase surplus production, they found a need to market the surplus. To do so required the invention of money, banking, engineering and economics. Implementing and managing these was essentially a service, which became a commodity to be bought and sold.
So while ancient societies may not have been predominantly service based, they certainly had service elements.
“That dude’s a corporate welfare queen! He drove a company and its workers into the gutter, took a $100 million bonus, and is flying around in a LearJet.”
Bush’s Barmaid?
Rove’s Pimp-Daddy?
Delay’s boy-janitor?
My girl is yelling at me from outside saying she is going to the river with or w/out me. I better get a leg up, since she has indicated a preference for catfish for supper tonight. Gotta go.
Thanks, kirk…
If you’re talking about 1999, I was there…
Peace, kiddo!
It’s a very sweet ride.
what drove manufacturers out in the first place is the fact that we have allowed them to produce their product in countries that don’t charge them for what they are using, and they are allowed to import that product here
we are subsidizing slave labor, child labor and dumping crap in our water and air when we let that happen and that has to stop
You know, that’s not only very funny, but very clever.
Slave economy is not (quite) the same thing as service economy…
Dayam – good on you!
Apologize for my mistaken assumption.
What I should have said – I wish you’d been writing the information /press releases for our side – your prose rocks.
And I wish I’d met you there – hope you had fun!
[PS - Hope you (and your lungs) came through well]
capitalism is another world for slavery. No plantations, but YES exploitation.
Halliburton
You’re probably better at this than I am…You seem to be an economist. I’m not…eCAHN might shed more light on this specific point…*g*
Instead of ”Greed and connections” I would have gone with ”Greed and Corruption”..
Excellent Post Biodun..
First there is absolutely no such thing as a ”Free Market” this is a term corporatists use to thinly veil their wet dream of ”Free Labor”
The severe acceleration of economic disparity in our country and globally has crushed our society since the bloodless coup or 2000..
If there is justice in this world the first act of President Obama or Clinton will be to send BushCo. (Cheney first)) to The Hague to face an exhaustive list of Crimes against Humanity..
Am I being too harsh ?? :-)
Thanks again, kirk. Appreciate it…
I don’t understand your Q, as it seems to have several interrelated parts that I can’t sort out.
Without looking up the data, most infrastructure spending is done by state & local govts. Even highways, where the money is collected by the federal govt gasoline tax is passed onto other govts for the actual construction.
you and I disagree on that point, as I said, I am right of center
I like capitolism, I like reward, I just want everyone to pay their own bills without trying to get subsidized
Actually I’m not; but I did fall asleep watching PBS the other night.
here’s the question;
if the government became the fed, would that inherant income be large enough to replace the income tax
Did I forget to thank you here? Thank you…
ah, that question is to ecahn in response to her answering my original question
this was in response to sandero
out of juice, see all later
Yes.
People don’t give enough credit to past economies for innovation, either. In history, I think it’s called the sin of presentism, i.e., looking at the past from the POV of the present.
Egypt certainly had plenty of innovation to figure out how to construct the pyramids. We’re not even sure today exactly how it was done (or at least according the last NatGeo I watched on the subject.)
My prize for best innovation of all time goes to the cave woman who figured out that she poke holes in the ground near the cave & plant seeds, making food production much more efficient than gathering.
Biodun,
Thank you so much for your post.
It’s all way over my head, but I learned some things.
Good Job. Thanks again.
No.
707!
I thought you were going to do the But I did sleep at the Holiday Inn Express last night…
I’m kind of embarrassed to ask this, but what’s “707″? Is it upside-down LOL?
Maybe this is worth mentioning;
While captital is a useful tool for leveraging production, that does not justify living in service of the tool. (no lewdness intended :)
Which is a way of saying, capital is usefull, but we shouldn’t have to live in service of capital-ISM.
For Bio and ECAHNomics only,
everyone else close your eyes.
Ybnormal is …
Mr. Demi.
The hammond B-3 organ player.
Ha!
Interesting indeed…
Why doesn’t the US government own it’s own central bank?
It seems like the fed is a uber bank whose sole customer is the needy US government and it prints money and sells it to Uncle Sam. Who actually owns the FED?
Unofficial caucus results from Turn Maine Blue indicates that Mainers are going for Obama by about 63% to 37% with a few odd undecideds and supporters of Edwards and Kucinich still about.
Note the results are very unofficial…just my number crunching the data submitted by attendees. Most precincts are going for Obama, and those supporting Clinton are usually small or very close.
Turnout consistently is reported as very high, sometimes 5-10 times the previous caucus.
It’s LOL leaning and/or rolling back on your chair, I think, with hands up..
The Bush economy is at it again. Home owners were told their homes had tripled in value and encouraged to spend it all as they refinanced with
shark loansmortgage companies . Now the housing values have inverted and people are walking away, collapsing neighborhoods and communities as houses are boarded up.No problem, Bush has moved onto phase II: Just Put It on My 401(k) Debit Card Borrowing against your nest egg is becoming as easy as stopping at an ATM.
A growing number of companies now offer employees the option of being issued a debit card that taps a 401(k) loan. The card, called ReservePlus, allows workers to withdraw funds from their 401(k)s.
The immediate concern for consumers is that impulse spending desires could trump their long-term savings needs.
Here’s how it works: After a company adopts the program, employees can transfer their approved loan line into a ReservePlus account online. Later, they receive a debit card that they can use to take out as much or as little as they need of the loan amount — on average taking out 35% less than they applied for, says David Young, director of Reserve Solutions at The Reserve, the company offering the cards.
The loan begins only after the money is removed from the account. Instead of a payroll deduction, participants are billed directly, and then pay back the loan through the same mechanisms used to repay a credit card. Depending on the employer, some may also qualify for a revolving loan — taking out and paying back money as they need it.
http://www.thestreet.com/s/jus…..98317.html
I recall that there was once something called the Bank of the United States in the 1820’s…it collapsed due to a take-over by outside investors and subsequent corruption. It was the principle reason for a major depression and the rise of Andrew Jackson to the Presidency.
I remember learning somewhere that what kick-started the Egyptian dynasty was the invention of the plow, to take better advantage of the Nile overflowing regularly with fertility.
The resulting surplus was then marketed for profit, and the rest as they say, is history.
The Fed is part of the government, kinda. While it’s supposed to be independent, the chair is appointed by the prez and serves at the prez’s pleasure…
You’re welcome, demi…
Revealed!!!
In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free (Reference 12, P. 265). Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED’s books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it.
After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson’s campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3, 4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), “I have unwittingly ruined my country” (R
More of an in-ing than an out-ing
The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share – the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest.
Capitalism is for the little people. On the otherhand the US government has been practicing Corporate Welfare, notoriously starting with Chrysler. When corporations go belly up the taxpayers step-in and bailout the Corporations for deliberate and fraudulent risks. As we speak the banks have -negative- reserves. This is a period of Banks Gone Wild. The banks want to dump this on our backs. Fraudulent ponzi schemes; CDO’s, SIV’s, CDS’s, Hedge funds, derivatives, offshore pirate coves… with a big helping deregulation hand from the Evil Wizard Greenspan. No jailtime for any of these scam artists. And now our Consumer economy is in the tank. May they all move to Paraguay via Air Force One.
Guess where the elitist bankers met to hatch out the Federal Reserve…Jekyll Island
The 1910 “duck hunt” on Jekyll Island included Senator Nelson Aldrich, his personal secretary Arthur Shelton, former Harvard University professor of economics Dr. A. Piatt Andrew, J.P. Morgan & Co. partner Henry P. Davison, National City Bank president Frank A. Vanderlip and Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. partner Paul M. Warburg. From the start the group proceeded covertly. They began by shunning the use of their last names and met quietly at Aldrich’s private railway car in New Jersey.
http://www.jekyllislandhistory…..erve.shtml
Hey Biodun Great post on a subject that truly needs airing out for all to see and understand why we are in the mess we are currently enjoying care of corporate America and the republican party.
Oh yeah will someone else digg this great post?? I started it… you guys give Biodun your support
I have been saying the same thing for years. When there are no more good jobs in this who will the products being imported into this country!!
i think there’s a lot to criticize about nafta and the rest, but i can’t make heads or tails of this post. really – i have no idea what it is saying at all. none.
can i get an amen??
p.s. hey! y’all fixed firefox commenting – sweet!
Good post Biodun.
Excellent, but confusing I think to me anyway.
Bioden you probably won’t see this I am late for dinner. I have been reading some things on this.
There should always be m-valued monetary systems, and there should always be m-valued trade agreements that address the particular needs of any one country in respect to the others participating.
We don’t have that now, these agreement are not the way to go at all in my mind. What I have seen happen as a result of these agreements is for example, a dairy farmer in Jamaica pouring his milk out of a tanker truck onto the highway, because he cannot compete with what is imported. I understand vaguely, I think, what you are talking about as far as time and communication shortening time and opening the globe to trade in an instant but does that really help those who need protection from the vultures who continually rip countries resources out of their very grasp? To me these things need to be completely redesigned with economic equality in mind, by that I mean that trade has to consider who it is trading with in a very practical and beneficial way, we cannot have capitalism run rampant or you get what you are looking at in America and it isn’t pretty.
I would appreciate a reply Bioden if possible only to point out whether I got the gist of what you are saying, I have very strong feelings about this issue vis a vis labor.
thx
Maddy
The Fed is a private banking institution, privately owned. At the time of it’s creation in 1913,it was founded by the likes of Paul Warburg(sp). Cornelius Vanderbilt, J.P. Morgan (get the picture), and other esteemed human beings, There were many who opposed it. The law that created it was passed during a Christmas break in congress which should tell you more about its character.
Before the bank was created there was no inflation to speak of, after its creation that is not the case. In other words in this radicals mind it was a f09king bad idea and many people far more knowledgeable than I have so stated. It is a god damned racket.