Comments on: FDL Book Salon: They Knew They Were Right — The Rise Of The Neocons

By: ckls

ckls — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:58:14 +0000

Ian –

The Passionate Attachment by George Ball sheds light on the origins of our pro-Israel tilt.

http://www.amazon.com/Passiona.....0393029336

Combined with the AIPAC zero tolerance for deviation from any politician, it’s a tough nut politically.

By: GorillasGuides

GorillasGuides — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:15:47 +0000

Perhaps that’s because we’ve learnt our lesson. I’m married to a woman whose grandfather was a Jew smuggler. When the Germans eventually caught up with him they slammed him into Neuengamme and told him that as he loved Jews so much they were going to treat him like one.

I can just about barely remember him. He always looked like a walking skeleton, couldn’t speak above a whisper, and he had a number tattooed on his arm.

Racism is always racism, war crimes are always war crimes, and you don’t need concentration camps to commit genocide. Bombing the water treatment plants followed by sanctions followed by “shock and awe” followed by a savagely brutal occupation does the trick quite nicely thank you.

By: LS

LS — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:13:05 +0000

Bravo Jacob!! Another fabulous book to read.
Bravo Steve Clemmons!!

By: Ian Welsh

Ian Welsh — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:11:00 +0000

Well, in case you drop back in let me say that I’d love to hear why it’s a false choice. Every poll I have ever seen on the subject shows that the biggest problem the US has in the Middle East amongst the population (which the non-democratic elites occasionally have to bow down to) is US support for Israel.

I’d also like to hear what the US’s shared interests are with Israel. Because most of the ones I hear always seem rather forced to me.

US strong support for Israel is one of those things that players of the game can’t admit is wrong, because it’s an unforgiveable sin. But it makes no sense in Realpolitik terms that I can determine and on moral terms let’s just say that the case is at very best mixed.

By: sadlyyes

sadlyyes — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:09:43 +0000

60 million men,woman ,children,millions of pets,all dear life slautered in WW2 …seems the Europeans dont have the taste for war,that we do

By: kirk murphy

kirk murphy — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:08:51 +0000

Steve, thank you for hostinig – and Jacob, thank you for your work and effort to open the neocons up to sunshine. May it prove a powerful disinfectant for our body politic.

By: selise

selise — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:06:45 +0000

thank you jacob, steve, joe, ecahn and everyone. very interesting discussion, and i’m definitely putting the book on my list.

By: GorillasGuides

GorillasGuides — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:06:25 +0000

You know political thinkers in Washington seem to have gone sadly downhill. There was a great American who said of another countrys leaders as they stood in the dock that they were not being tried for losing the war they were being tried for starting it.

You could try looking it up and learning the lesson.

By: CTuttle

CTuttle — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:06:10 +0000

Mahalo, Steve and Jacob for being here at the Lake and answering our questions! It has been most informative…

By: Steve Clemons

Steve Clemons — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:05:34 +0000

Thanks again to all….I will assume that Bev Wright or other FDLers will figure out how to archive and draw the online discussion to an ending punctuation point.

I’ve got to run — or will be in big trouble at home. ;-)

Kudos to Jacob Heilbrunn for an excellent book.

best, steve clemons