If – after a huge scientific study – you learned the area around the Great Lakes was so toxic as to cause:
low birth weights, elevated rates of infant mortality and premature births, and elevated death rates from breast cancer, colon cancer, and lung cancer.
would you:
a) tell everyone you knew
b) tell everyone you knew and – through media – you didn’t know
c) try and get the hell out of the blighted area
d) tell no one – and cover the whole thing up.
e) answers a-c above
OK – time to do a little scoring, class.
(sigh – not that sort of scoring, folks. Spring is coming, but save it for after class)
Now for the answers:
a) – good for you for protecting the folks you know – giving them the chance to decide what’s best for them.
b) – even better…you’re looking out for the whole community
c) – high marks for self-preservation; not so much with altruism. (selfish wanker)
d) – oh…you must work for the CDC.
Now what’s the CDC? Well, they’re the Centers For Disease Control: the Federal Agency charged with sniffing out new disease outbreaks (and recognizing when old diseases return in new visits).
Oh – and they’re also charged with telling other docs – and everyone else – that something down the block…or across the Lakes…is killing us.
The CDC is the nation’s – and often the world’s – medical Sherlock Holmes. The name for what their sleuths do is epidemiology, which is basically understanding how diseases move through populations. Ideally, the understanding comes pretty quick -especially with deadly diseases.
Having a really quick report on a deadly disease – or set of diseases – moving through the public is A Good Thing. Having a really slow report is A Bad Thing – because while we wait for the report, people keep dying.
This week Truthout carried news that:
Researchers found low birth weights, elevated rates of infant mortality and premature births, and elevated death rates from breast cancer, colon cancer, and lung cancer.
For more than seven months, the nation’s top public health agency has blocked the publication of an exhaustive federal study of environmental hazards in the eight Great Lakes states, reportedly because it contains such potentially "alarming information" as evidence of elevated infant mortality and cancer rates.
WTF?
The CDC – suppressing breaking public health news the nine million Great Lakes region needs to know?
Why?
Well, Sheila Kaplan and the good folks at the Center For Public Intergrity have the answer. According to the Center:
Canadian biologist Michael Gilbertson, a former IJC staffer and another of the three peer reviewers, told the Center that the study has been suppressed because it suggests that vulnerable populations have been harmed by industrial pollutants. “It’s not good because it’s inconvenient,” Gilbertson said. “The whole problem with all this kind of work is wrapped up in that word ‘injury.’ If you have injury, that implies liability. Liability, of course, implies damages, legal processes, and costs of remedial action. The governments, frankly, in both countries are so heavily aligned with, particularly, the chemical industry, that the word amongst the bureaucracies is that they really do not want any evidence of effect or injury to be allowed out there.”
OK – so some government docs sat on some study a bunch of DFH demanded and no one will ever read. No big deal, right?
Well, wrong. The study was a mammoth undertaking at the behest of the US and Canadian Governments:
The 400-plus-page study, Public Health Implications of Hazardous Substances in the Twenty-Six U.S. Great Lakes Areas of Concern, was undertaken by a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at the request of the International Joint Commission, an independent bilateral organization that advises the U.S. and Canadian governments on the use and quality of boundary waters between the two countries. The study was originally scheduled for release in July 2007 by the IJC and the CDC’s Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR).
Well, what the hell? Just another boring nerd exercise – let’s go fishing and forget the whole thing – let the pocket protector people play.
Uh – not so fast, tacklehead.
Might want to know more about the toxic fish you’re carrying home to the kids. Might want to know if your kids are more likely to croak just cause of where you’ve chosen to live. And about nine million other people may want to know, too.
The Center for Public Integrity has obtained the study, which warns that more than nine million people who live in the more than two dozen “areas of concern”—including such major metropolitan areas as Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee—may face elevated health risks from being exposed to dioxin, PCBs, pesticides, lead, mercury, or six other hazardous pollutants. In many of the geographic areas studied, researchers found low birth weights, elevated rates of infant mortality and premature births, and elevated death rates from breast cancer, colon cancer, and lung cancer.
Nice kettle of fish we have here.
Too bad they’re too toxic to eat.
But – hey – Big Test Tube is happy.
And if you’re the CDC leadership, you know who has the power – and, apparently, you don’t risk pissing them off. Not under the Bushies, anyway.
No matter how many people your secrets kill. Great work, docs.
But…uh…that whole "Better Living Through Chemistry" bit was just an industry slogan.
"First Do No Harm" is the healer’s ancient maxim.
Next time, how ’bout acting like physicians – not like ad men for Dow and Monsanto.
Wankers.
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((( Kirk )))
What’s up, Doc? ;-)
The CPI has pointed out that blame rests on both sides of the border…
Great post, Doc. Loving your sarcasm!
Well, I would have to say from January 2001 to today, agencies such as the CDC don’t run the way they should, meaning, cover-ups are all the rage. See?
The high school I attended in Cumberland, Maine was built on an old apple orchard (can you say ‘bad, bad, pesticides’?). Is there a connection of this old apple orchard to the high rate of brain/breast cancers around it? I think so. Oh boy.
SOBs.
Spit!!
Nice kettle of fish we have here.
Too bad they’re too toxic to eat.
Hi Kirk!
Isn’t that why (I think it’s RFK, Jr – but the ecologically-aware-and-vocal Kennedy) has a voice which is a wreck – from eating so much seafood laced with mercury?
Spit!
Yep, he said that if he was a pregnant woman, his child would be born autistic … and the Kennedy do not exactly eat low grade food !
Do you think this info would have been published under a dem administration? This is a straight question. Is it the repubs or is it govt. in general?
We in this house cannot understand why the environment is not on everyone’s tongues.
Because according to Bush and his cronies, it is a non issue …
I like to think of Democrats as those people who uncover stuff like this and alert the public to protect it. Do you agree? To a republican, alerting the public about this kind of health hazard would mean towns/cities might have to take action and we all know action to a republican means spending money. They don’t like spending money on this sort of thing. Military bombs, guns, and hummers is what they like to spend their money on.
The folks in our home will pressing hard, the new Domocratic president, to put our planet’s health on the front burner. This is the imperative.
and the Kennedys do not exactly eat low grade food !
Aha – must explain the negative RSVP for my last dinner party… *g*
(still though, how ya gonna turn down pizza, popcorn, and two choices of ice cream for dessert?)
Hi folks!
Thanks for taking the time to read the post – and for being here.
CTuttle, thanks for your valid observation that regulatora on both sides of the border were in thrall to BIg Test Tube.
Kay, I fear the legacy of previous pesticide use will haunt much of America – and er soils – for genertions.
And Petro and jayt: wow. I beleive you both implicitly – if you have a ready linky at hand, I’d be tickled to know more.
solai, this sort of cover-up was unheard of before the Bushies.
Dr. Geberding (CDC head) is an SF doc who has previously displayed very high ethical standards. The fact the report was withheld by the CDC while she was at the helm reflects just how much power this WH has arrogated to the political opertives – ad just how much power those weasels now hold to disrupt and suppress Federal agencies.
From the sounds of the report, that would be rather dangerous…
Another glaring example of Corporate ass covering.
This makes the Love Canal look like back wash in a shot glass.
The word is out now apparently so it will be a massive effort from BushCo AND the Canadians to downplay, stall and spin until the levels of tracked disease and mortality get so high that something has to be done about it.
Curiously, I don’t see any mention of downstream problems,
Being the biggest fresh water lakes in North America, all that water born pollution flows downhill to someone else’s back yard.
This is hardly a scientific study but I’ve noticed an increase in birth defects lately. My niece’s son had a minor defect that required surgery, another relative born with a cleft palate, another with something wrong with his foot and a 4th with a ‘plumbing’ problem. None of the parents have birth defects in their family history. None seem to be drug users. All had prenatal care. Maybe it’s the environment. Scary.
I saw him on TV, giving a presentation in Toronto … sorry, no linky :-(
I live in New York State. Most of the fish in New York are now unsafe to eat from mercury contamination.
I have so much mercury in my body, I was told by Dr. David Carpenter, who is the national authority on mercury contamination, that if I were a woman of childbearing years and produced a child, that the child would have cognitive impairment, and, he estimated, a permanent IQ loss of five to seven points. There are 630,000 children born in this country every year who have been exposed to dangerous levels of mercury in the womb.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0223-25.htm
No two ways about it. This is 87-kinds of grim. Never has it been clearer to me when it comes to corporations and citizens, it’s the citizens that are expendable. I can understand an agency/government’s reluctance to release a report that is this damning… but I don’t understand what makes the agency/government cave to their basest instincts and fail to release. There’s the undeniable dread, followed by doing the right thing. Here, they clearly did the wrong thing. More incompetence from our science dismissive administration. Undoubtedly, further studies will be commissioned to
cast doubt, er, verify the results of this one; surely, the next team will be led by more credible (HA!) investigators.Isn’t it the CDC (or maybe it was NASA) where a ton of doctors/scientists quit because of the Bush crony put in place above them and who wanted them to rewrite old reports or something like that?
Republicans want to change their own environment so THEY can feel comfortable in it…even if it means changing reports by previous doctors/scientists so they can they were right all along! See? We need a republican-free nation at times. I’m serious. A week without them would be good for all of us. ;-)
Dr. Murphy, what’s your prescription for the depression caused by reading your scary but informative blog posts?
- Tom
The Democratic Party needs to not miscalculate on this. Your base is very concerned about environmental issues. In this house it is number one.
Boy have we poisoned out back yard. We can’t live because of toxic spills and run off, we can’t fish, we can’t eat the toxic food.
Lovely. All in the name of junk science and profit and utter disregard and lack of understanding for the environment.
In no time we will be dying like flies.
I’m actually relieved to read your answer. Thanks
When I left Oberlin College in 1966 to go into the Army, fish were dying on the south shore of Lake Erie and the canal could catch on fire. They pretended things were gettng better along ghe Great Lakes, as they patched up a few things here and there, making them into poster projects.
When it is cold and windy here in Alaska, and all I have to breathe is icy air, all I have to drink is pure water that doesn’t change litmus paper, and when I can use grain-fed chickens’ manure for my smelly compost, do I miss the smell of the Great Lakes dying?
Awesome post, Doc! Made me cry.
Obama or Hillary. Listen up. We want the next Democratic president to deal with our environmental ill health. We expect a decent prescription. You’d best deliver.
jayt and Petro – thank you both.
solai, there is indeed an increase in birth defects of the anogenital region – one of the regions in our body where “endocrine disruptors” (chemical pollutants that mimic our natural hormones) have the greatest likelihood of causinng…well..disruption.
Some researchers link increased endocrine disruptors to both:
(a) increased rates of infertilty / reproductive abnormalities
(b) iincreasing rates of learning/behavioral disorders (perhaps most especially in boys)
hi doc-
in ohio when you get your fishing license, you get a folder which tells you specifically how many fish are safe to eat and from where…….is very educational. and scary.
one of my best friends is a geohydrologist for the epa, she is very meticulous and serious about the work she does…..among other things, she checks wells required by the government to monitor areas that need monitoring, and yes, that sounds so general, cuz there are so many areas in the community and in industrial areas where they are monitored, gas stations, coal mines, industry, dumps….as she has said, she can’t help it if people don’t get the information from the government on what they find.
it’s all there, look it up and be appalled……….
she also has to do the plans for corporations when they want to establish in an area, like power plants, mines, where wells have to be set-up, etc…….all of the rigamarole that goes on is exhausting, yet, she does it day after day…….in an ethical way……..
so, anyone that has a problem with what is going on, go get the numbers that they register with the government and use them……..
it’s public knowledge.
there is a dump here that is affecting our watershed, it is just getting attention, because someone went to the office and got the discharge rates from it………..
numbers that my friend helped compile by doing her job, registering what they are, and people can take it from there.
Mitch Landrieu appears to be directly related to his sister… At least he’s wearing a blue tie.
what an inspiring Demo-Pub…
Even better: the full and complete name of the agency is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Given this post, it’s sadly ironic that even the folks that work there seem to miss that last part.
Weasels? Foxes in charge of the Hen Houses…!
http://www.cleanwateraction.org/takeaction/
Get active!
Regular bathing in the Lake, I believe.
Lahoma and I are long time scuba divers. Mostly in the Caribbean. Want to get a fix on how bad things are? Take a trip down your local coral reef and see for yourself. The oceans are suffocating.
The auto industry here is doing buy outs (replacing union jobs with low paid non union workers, some of them immigrants, whom I hear have “real” green cards”. I believe the contract they have people sign states you could never sue them. Could this be a reason for the quick buyouts and holding the info?
President Reagan. Contrary to your pronouncements. Trees do not pollute. We do.
Severe bleaching of reefs is happening here in the Isles too…
Mercury is a huge problem in most states for fish consumption.nearly every lake in Washington state has unnaceptable level in the Bass and the state recommended you not eat them years ago.
The Columbia river and it’s tributaries, ESPECIALLY the Willamette which runs through downtown Portland are both full of nasty chemicals, causing mutated fish.
The Columbia actually has measurable radiation in it from the Hanford nuclear reservation.
There are nowhere near the levels we are talking about here and nowhere near the levels of population, either.
Superfund sites are already hamstrung by Bushco and have been backlogged for years.
Unless serious pressure is brought to bear, I can see them kicking this down the road another generation.
Having a sense of Dr. G from her days in SF, I’ve often wondered how much of the squelching of things happens a couple of layers below her in the CDC food chain, done by Bush appointees of a lower pay grade. If it never gets to the boss’ desk, then she can’t release it, right?
Just a WAG, but given the BushCo track record . . .
They’ve got coral reefs in Oklahoma?
*g*
But you’re right on, in terms of watching for warning signs of problems. *sigh*
Severe bleaching of reefs is happening here in the Isles too…
Not good – and I believe you – still, I’d like to see that for myself… *g*
The biggest enemy of the environment in my lifetime, bar none, is George W. Bush.
Depression often brings a sense of helplessness. In our persoanl lives, we can try to live as free of chemical contaminants as our situations and incomes allow.
In the public sphere – kiddo has it right. Both Dem contenders
will beare frantic to get and edge with voters.Hammering both campaign HQ”s with specific demands and questions – and hammering the remaining debate questioners and (if the Primary Circus is coming to yuor region) sympathetic media with specific demands and questions is the best short-term antidote I can think of for my (admittedly) bleak posts.
And you can always look on the bright side: our readers only have to be reminded of this when I put it up here.
Things could be worse: one could have been thinking about this much of the day, for years – pretty flippin’ bleak, at times.
Working with you all at the Lake as part of team fighting to take back our land, air, and water – as well as our food and our childrens’ bodies – from Big Test Tube and their elected enablers…that can be a big help, too.
Don’t mourn – organize.
Reading stuff like the Truthout article, the stuff coming out these past few days about corporate “good citizens” getting advanced warnings of potential problems, the incredibly augmented powers of the Executive, the absence of our NG protection (who now swear a loyalty oath to the
FuhrerPresident), I can’t help but think that the icy-blooded actuaries behind the real powers behind the throne have decided they have to kill most of us real soon. The “if” and “how” are solved.They’re still working on the “when.”
We see that. And Lahoma and I are heartsick. We so love the sea.
That’s just . . . sad. On so many levels.
[Full disclosure: I caught my first bass when I was four — about three years after I tasted my first bass.]
Peterr, I really like that WAG. I very much hope it is true. Certainly, this sorry event is wholly unlike all of what my colleagues report about Dr. G’s previous ethical history.
Wow sunshine – that’s a really significant facet of this. If you can share that with the CPI non Monday, that would be great. Great “pick-up” (as we tell the med students) – you’re recognizing the pattern.
I don’t know that I like it, but it’s better than the alternative. Call it the lesser of two evils.
I was surprised that it was State Wide!
Over 75% of ALL lakes!
Washington has some really rural and outright wilderness area.
What was the old Dow advertising slogan Better Living through Chemistry!?
Right now in northern Arizona a Canadian company just got Forest Service approval for drill 7 uranium mine test holes south of the grand Canyon, NE of Flagstaff. The County Board of Supervisors is not supporting this.
Just a little tech question to anybody out there…I get the spinning wheel thingy almost constantly…is it my computer/server problem or does anyone else get it too?
I went to college at SUNY Oswego. Campus was right on Lake Ontario. We’d all go out often and sit on the shore and watch the sunset. Breathtakingly beautiful. I have special affection for that lake.
doc you say; don’t mourn-organize
ok, how do people best empower themselves?
seriously, and that is a loaded question, cuz i already have a response.
We do not see a positive connection between good mental and physical well being and air and water pollution.
no problem here. (Windows 2000 PC)
Purging the thousands (tens of thousands?) of the true believers from the Federal Gov’t has got to be one of the top priorities of the Dem president. It isn’t going to be easy..they will try to hang on with every legal and administrative ploy available. Every “alphabet” agency and Federal board has been corrupted.
For me, the proto-typical example of the evil of George W. Bush and the Republican Party is the lead advisory board. This is a small board that gives advise about lead in the environment especially how lead affects children, particularly brain damage due to lead. On of Clinton’s last appointments was a world recognized expert to head the lead board. When Bush took office, he blocked that nomination and appointed a Tulsa pediatrician. Bushes nominee made a good living testifying for the lead industry in court cases. His testimony was that it was not proven that lead cause brain damage. Fuck children..Fuck the country..Bush’s legacy.
Doc you’re gonna love this one:
“…The vast expanse of debris – in effect the world’s largest rubbish dump – is held in place by swirling underwater currents. This drifting “soup” stretches from about 500 nautical miles off the Californian coast, across the northern Pacific, past Hawaii and almost as far as Japan.
Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch” or “trash vortex”, believes that about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region. Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Mr Moore founded, said yesterday: “The original idea that people had was that it was an island of plastic garbage that you could almost walk on. It is not quite like that. It is almost like a plastic soup. It is endless for an area that is maybe twice the size as continental United States….”
No Prob here… Run an anti-spyware program, like AVG anti-spyware, which you can download free…!
Don’t have to be a scientist when it comes to the Great Lakes.
Corporations (toxic effluents) and individuals (sewage, pesticides, etc.) have been poisoning the Great Lakes for many years.
thanks Kirk James Murphy, M.D, the evil Bush ‘Death Squad’ strikes again!
Try rebooting I did earlier and it went away, I use FireFox.. But IE has similar problems. The root of the problem is your browser thinks it is still waitng for more bits from the website and it just waits. the spinning is just it’s way of letting you know that.
doc, i hate to be a pain in the ass, but my 32…………..
ANYONE can go and get the epa’s testing levels………..anyone……….
they are done on every single industry and mining, etc………every single one.
pubic access, all you have to do is ask for them.
the numbers are there for people to go and get and use.
i want it stressed and announced, go get them and use them.
we are, here.
Time to go good folks. I made banana and ‘nilla wafer pudding earlier for snacks tonight. And I’ve just had an email from upstairs questioning my thoughts on a movie and something sweet to eat. That does it for me pals.
L and okk.
LS I get lots of slow downs and weirdnesses. I use FF with XP and I assume it is the internet server somewhere…
I think the new site is slower and I miss EDIT.
I hate the way the site loads now with this new version waiting for the advertisements of something. hmmmmm
OH . MY.
I haven’t had that in YEARS!
My Granny used to make that all the time with fresh banana slices around the edges.
Yuuuum Yum!
Getting up to speed on the issues.
Sharing their concerns with their neighbors.
Pushing their concerns to their members of Congress.
Then pushing again and again.
And just when you think things are not going to chance, remember this: Richard Nixon signed the act creating the EPA.
Aloha!
Thanks for your help to all. I’ll reboot…drives me nuts….
OfT – Noron is doing an entirely credible job tonight on MSNBC – guess there’s a first time for everytrhing.
And, damn, Rachel Maddow is good – while Pat Buchanan spins wildly and dementedly for HRC, Rachel keeps pummeling him with facts..
As I said earlier, most interesting contest of the night, by far, is Rachel vs. Buchanan.
Sorry for the OfT, Kirk.
Our city drinking water comes from Lake Michigan. We have been a city that historically depends upon industry for our major source employment – paper industry, chemicals, foundry, etc.
We’re also at the mouth of a river that has acted as a waste disposal mechanism for paper mills upstream for generations.
Do you think there may be bad news for us in that report?
digg this post and help spread the word.
Thanks Kirk!
Try this too…
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/do…..e/us/frt/0
Following up to my note – under Clinton, when there was more funding for Superfund cleanup, there were at least six sites in our city. Now, there are none.
No cleanup was ever done, the money just dried up, so the classifications went away.
I get so sad about the earth…
Today..I saw 10 butterflies (yellow ones and a couple of orange ones)…several honeybees..2 red-shouldered hawks…a cara cara (Mexican eagle), a bunch of cardinals, titmouses, and chickadees (they travel together, but live here year round) and a pair of ravens…oh, and 2 roadrunners…beep, beep.
Kirk another great post!! I look forward to these informative posts. We know that the Republicans under Bush especially is the reason why so much information is with held from the people. As was stated above all of these Bush appointments need to be purged just as fast as possible so all agencies of the government can back to doing the peoples work and not the corporate protectionist work.. Greed Greed and more thats whats is all about with the Republicans.
Thats why I will vote for whom ever wins at the convention and of course at the local level. Again Kirk a great post.. please keep us informed, we need it.
EdwardTeller February 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
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Reading stuff like the Truthout article, the stuff coming out these past few days about corporate “good citizens” getting advanced warnings of potential problems, the incredibly augmented powers of the Executive, the absence of our NG protection (who now swear a loyalty oath to the Fuhrer President), I can’t help but think that the icy-blooded actuaries behind the real powers behind the throne have decided they have to kill most of us real soon. The “if” and “how” are solved.
They’re still working on the “when”
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edward, around here, in rural seohio, there are many constitutionalists, well, that’s what i’ll call them, and they COMPLETELY believe that the ’new world order’ is intent on reducing the population…………….they are convinced that is what is going to come down in the process that is already happening.
they have many weapons.
and love thier country.
and, i might add, they are the same ones who went to the epa to get the numbers on the discharge from the dump that is right next to the watershed……….
right wingers who are doing the work of the environmentalists, side by side……..scary thing, it is.
we have a local call-in show here that is so diverse it would scare you, called viewpoint, i wish everyone could hear it, you wouldn’t believe it.
absolutely blows my mind. no joke.
but, that is what is happening here, people joining together in an area that was ravaged by mine spoilage and industry………..they’re both pissed off, outta say something, doncha think????????????
What is wrong with the Republicans? What is wrong with Bushco? They are so disconnected from everything that is “alive”. Their disregard for life is unfathomable.
DONE DUGG it!!
Barak won LA! 3fer
dmac, with Federal power alomst wholly co-opted by the corporatists, often the most powerful tool for changing official policy will come through effrts at the state and local level.
One example:
In 1998, I was one of five people in a group – LA Safe Schools – meeting with the LA Unified School District (the nation’s largest single district) in an effor tto change their pesticide use policies.
We had the support of two school board members (not a majority) and were up against a institution notoriously refractive to change – whether requested by the Board or anyone else.
Yet childrens’ health is incredibly emotive – and we used that emotional energy in the public, the network of grass-roots support in the community groups (some of) the six of us were from, and the goodwill of the many LAUSD staff and employees who cared about children’s health – and their own.
Monsanto was so scared about the outcome they sent corporate reps to the first meeting (public under the Brown Act).
We used that to spotlight the corporate sell-out of kids health and lkept plugging.
We obtained – by March 1999 – a truly revolutionary policy which turned the burden of proving “harm” into the burden (on Monsatan and the like) of proving “safety”.
The policy even included the precautionary principle – the most powerful conceptual tool we citizens have to defeat toxic crap…and already the basis for toxic substance regulation in the EU.
That’s one organizing idea – make the big changes locally, then let them percolate up through society and across geography.
[Oh - and I’d give a copy of Sandra Steingraber’s books Living Downstream and Having Faith to every mom – or wanna-be mom – I knew..and make certain no to ge in their way when they’d finsihed.
dmaz, what strategies and ideas do you (and others) have for how we can best empower ourselves?
Pat Buchanan makes a good point (again, a night for firsts), that it’s entirely possible that Obama could go to the convention with the lead in committed delegates, only to have the super-delegates take it away from him – a formula for Chicago 1968…
dmac – you are NOT a pain in the ass.
The data you describe in your # 32 move communities FAST.
Industry hates those toxic substance release inventories precisely because communities go ape-shit when they read the volume of toxic crap in their local neighborhod.
Good on your friend for compling the data – good on you for makinig certain we know of that resource here.
Gasp.
Robert Kennedy, Jr. supports HRC…that might be a good sign for the pollution issues…right?
er..uh…while I appreciate everyone’s interest in the horse race, we do have a lovely post just downstairs focused on exactly that topic…..
I haven’t decided who to support (my guy was Edwards) but this struck me as funny. MSNBC had someone on saying that this was no surprise to the Clinton campaign. “Obama was helped by the black vote in state x and was helped by the young educated vote in state y.” I’d say that meant he appealed to everyone, but hey, that’s just me.
Kirk, great (if disturbing) post!
So it’s a documented fact that autism is caused by pollution?
ls-Today..I saw 10 butterflies (yellow ones and a couple of orange ones)…several honeybees..2 red-shouldered hawks…a cara cara (Mexican eagle), a bunch of cardinals, titmouses, and chickadees (they travel together, but live here year round) and a pair of ravens…oh, and 2 roadrunners…beep, beep.
when i was reading that, i was stroking my gray tabby who was standing on my printer——-and i never noticed she has a wide black stripe halfway down her back……i always see her from other angles…..because of you i noticed that………it made me think of little things in nature that i keep track of………as a gauge.
thanks.
kirk, you didn’t answer any of my comments, and they were posted to add to the artillery………..for people to go and request epa’s onfo, it’s public knowledge and can tell people what’s in the dirt and water where they live. (expletive)
25yrs ago a parents group in my small town tried to fight having high-powered lines going in not far from the elementary school (and the playground). We raised money, hired lawyers etc. We never had a chance. All sorts of studies came out saying they were not harmful. (Which might account for my distrust of govt. studies no matter who’s in power)
I grew up on the shores of Lake Huron. Played in the beaches and fished with my dad and no few cousins as a kidlet. The lake doesn’t ‘look’ bad, but i haven’t taken a swim in years because by the time i was 13, the pollutants were visibly floating in the water at one of my favorite beaches we used to visit in ontario. It’s probably gotten a lot worse since.
Our Governor has been fighting the dumping of bilgewater(one major factor besides Big Test Tube) into the lakes, since that carries a lot of nasty pollultants and hijacking critters too! But there’s also the factor of a few large companies not telling anyone they’re dumping large amounts of chems in too into Lake Michigan. It’s a long fight and i’m sure that they’re aware of it in Lansing. I doubt this report went unheard either in those halls! I’m more than annoyed that the CDC thought they could get away with not telling us in the first place. We’re aware of the problems with the varying industries on the lakes, but egads. Insulting the citizens and government alike like that on a national level.
We want to keep our lakes, it’s a resource that is likely to come into play later, the way things are going. Those of us that grew up on these shores? Especially so. We’ve got a long, hard fight ahead of us. Being fought tooth and nail every step of the way by a stupid and contrary Rethug lead congress, even with our smart lady Governor Granholm.
I’d say that meant he appealed to everyone, but hey, that’s just me.
Well, you obviously have no future in punditocracy… *g*
That is very good news – we may be divided by our politics, but we our united in biology.
Throughout the Bushie reign, the vast majority of the US public favors protecting the biosphere and our health.
In Appalachia, the Mountain Justice Summer campaign has succeeded by uniting enviros and locals against Big Coal’s destruction.
Together, we Americans already defeat the megacorps.
Let’s make it a standing engagement.
Kirk, when does Julie Gerberding get fired as head of the CDC?
and no resignations allowed on this one. enough’s enough
oh, sorry for the (expletive) part, i saw you answered……..
(bipolar, remember, i have to really work on patience)
it’s just that people don’t understand that government records are accessible and most times, FREE……..
that you have a right to them, that being the kind of person that goes and gets records and reads them is just as important as the person who demonstrates and rallies…………
that’s all……
epa records are PUBLIC……..go get them for your neighborhood.
Oh dear – if I said that, I was in error,
TO ddate, increased pollution has repeatedly been shown to correlate with increased rates of learning disorders.
I don’t know of unequivocal finndinngs that this relationship has been shown for autism…
Apologies for my lack of clarity.
She serves at the pleasure of the president . . . so January 20, 2009.
But I’ll repeat what I said above. Given the (admittedly secondhand) opinions of Dr. G. I picked up in SF, I have to wonder at what ISN’T getting to her desk, so she can’t deal with it.
A small piece if good news is a Fed Court is blocking the new Mercury non-standards. Clinton admin had a program in place to eliminate 90% of Mercury release into the environment. Bush scrapped that program. Coal fired plants release ~ 50 tons of Mercury/year into the environment. Bush and the Republicans didn’t give a shit that 60k kids are put at risk.
I live on a lake in mid Mi and for about 20 years the lake association has hired companies to put chemicals in our lake to TRY to control weed growth. Now our problem is just as bad if not worse. At the beginning we were told they could only use the chemical for a number (3?) of years, but they just keep finding weeds with different names and chemicals with new names and putting them in the lake. All made possible with the help of our local township that puts it on our property tax bill. Some times we can’t water our lawns and gardens, our pets can’t drink the water and we are told we can’t swim in it. They used to cut the weeds and put them on farmers fields for fertilizer. Now we get “chemicaled”.
I’ve had a miscarriage and 2 preemies. It does seems to be common around here. I am not saying the lake chemicals or DOW & auto industry pollution caused it. I just have never known what did.
Obama up live on MSNBC…
(sorry Kirk, trying to multi-task here…)
Everything seems to be going to hell. Fireworks in an hour and a half at the new Chinatown center in North Austin. Happy New Year, all you rats. I think I’ll go watch it all blow up.
We just defeated a plan to build a 100MW – to be greatly expanded later – coal plant a few miles away. Now we’re aiming at taking over the utility board that wanted to do this to us. It was a coalition of greenies, young Dems, survivalists, Libertarians and independents who did it. Run-of-the-mill GOP and industry and Chamber of Commerce types are fighting us every inch of the way. And losing.
We’ve fought a lot over water quality issues, but this was our first air quality issue we’ve won.
She won’t be fired. Don’t you know who will pay for this PR disaster? (And that’s how the repubs will view it-a PR problem). The one to be fired is the stupid son of a bitch that allowed this study to happen in the first place.
Think Mad Cow. We have no Mad Cow problem because we don’t do testing. No tests, no bad results, no problem.
no worries dmac – I’m a slow typist.
and the pwoerful tool you are sharing with us bears repetition.
your raising the issue gave me the idea for a post desribing how to find that and other local info on pollutant discharges – so againi, thank you.
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Elliot, this is also a WAG – but I’ve wondered if the Bushies pulled a national security classification gmae to prevent release of the report. The fact it didn’t leak form the US side – despite lots of people who knew of it for years – makes me wonder wat very big guns were brouhg out to protect Big Test Tube.
Dr G sure as hell owes us ALL an explanation – a very good one – by Monday.
Julie Gerberding has been a disaster at the CDC. Morale has been rock bottom since she’s been there. When she was on the short list in 2001, and the postal workers in Brentwood postal center in Washingtonn were struck with Anthrax, instead of testing the samples and treating them promptly with Cipro-esque Quinolones, CDC allowed DOJ to grab the samples, time to elapse and five people died because treatment was never instituted.
Feds Completely Unprepared for Anthrax; Bush HHS Secretary Not a Doctor; Has No Clue
Inhalation of diacetyl from microwave popcorn, the flavoring that makes it taste good, has also been causing popcorn lung, aka bronchiolitis obliterans in which the small bronchioles are plugged with granulation tissue from the diacetyl.
How many people who don’t work in popcorn plants but get close to the microwave popcorn fumes when they make it and munch on it isn’t known.
What’s typical of the government though, is the coverup and the slowness with which this is being fixed.
OSHA and CDC haven’t done diddly squat about it. You can run out to the grocery right now and grab some because while the companies are removing diacetyl eventually over a period of months or years, they aren’t removing it from the grocery shelves.
Microwave Popcorn Could Damage Your Lungs Significantly
And finally the CDC has been reported to be covering up a link between formaldehyde levels in the trailers of Katrina victims that acts as a carcinogen at high levels.
A physician named Chris DelaRosa who tried to make the risks public was reportedly removed from his job and given a dummy job where he is asked to do nothing.
Health Effects Of Katrina
CDC under investigation over Katrina cancer risk
KS Gov Kathleen Sebelius is in a similar fight. Her administration blocked a big coalfired plant in KS, specifically citing CO2 emissions and greenhouse gasses as the reason. Big Energy and the business wing of the KS GOP are both completely bent out of shape, but it’s getting a new coalition of folks together.
The most recent converts are a number of farming interests, who have realized that you can put up wind turbines in the middle of wheat fields.
Sadly, yes I do.
The situation you describe is one in which drinking purchased water from safe aquifers seems like a prudent choice – but that option is only available for those with the extra money to pay…which is totally f’d up.
If it came down to a tussle between CDC and DOJ, I’d never bet on CDC. Not ever. Wouldn’t even think about it for a minute. Not under Bush.
CDC may have its problems, but I don’t think they willingly allowed DOJ to do anything. They may have gone along with it, but not happily.
Kirk, didn’t mean to give the impression you said autism was caused by pollution, just thought it was implied by the data presented. In other words, as you just said, a correlation. Just wanted to see if there was any confirmation through studies, apparently not.
I just get a little irritated with all the media doctors saying, “we don’t know what causes autism.” It may be a true statement, but they could state the correlation.
that’s a scary thought, very scary
Great news, ET!
Pete, I’m not certain the CDC had the power to force Bush’s DOJ to do anything, seeing as the DOJ is a law (lawless?) unto itself.
Throughout the Executive Branch (which is all the regulatory agencies), the titular heads are completely undermined by industry-whoring appointments at senior levels.
I’m not trying to let Dr. G off the hook; I am trying to focus on systematic sabotage f our health and saety regualtors which render any poor schmuck “in charge” completely irrelevant.
Water is already the new oil.
Wars are going to be fought over it.
MayDaze, one problem is assessing causality with autism is a lack of certainty about whether the set of symptoms defined as autism reflect:
a) a single biological cause common to all patients
b) multiple biological causes leading to the syndrome diagnosed as autism in all patients.
This makes designing studies to assess possible env. causes far more difficult -
and leads to the uncertainty which frustrates physicians and families.
sunshine, that is the opposite of the precautionary principle
(and really f’n dumb, too.)
Jeebus – that must be so frustrating for you and your neighbors…
first from peterr–
”Getting up to speed on the issues.
Sharing their concerns with their neighbors.
Pushing their concerns to their members of Congress.
Then pushing again and again.
And just when you think things are not going to chance, remember this: Richard Nixon signed the act creating the EPA.”
well, peter, minister, i see where you’re coming from, but missed. it starts in your own home, then branches out, you of all people know that. then the plan you laid out. it starts with one, then two, then three…….you know that, cuz that’s how you spread what you teach. it was a trick question.
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kirk says–
”dmac, with Federal power alomst wholly co-opted by the corporatists, often the most powerful tool for changing official policy will come through effrts at the state and local level.
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i say—-ok, break here, this is where conscientious people with the epa enter in………..NINE power plants want to be here in ohio…..NINE COAL PLANTS……..NEW ONES……….. my friend lays out what they have to do in order to do business here, it takes months and months of planning and back and forth and sometimes legal issues to go through………she is on the first front line…….she lays it out for them, where they have to have testing wells, where they have to do everything, and it all has to be completely neutral, and scientific……….
THAT IS THE FIRST LINE…………..and people are protesting, some of them she knows……….yet, it has to be done in a scientific way, and it’s all layed out……….and it gets decided by people higher up than her. her job is to do the geologic survey. science.
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kirk says—–One example:
In 1998, I was one of five people in a group – LA Safe Schools – meeting with the LA Unified School District (the nation’s largest single district) in an effor tto change their pesticide use policies.
We had the support of two school board members (not a majority) and were up against a institution notoriously refractive to change – whether requested by the Board or anyone else.
Yet childrens’ health is incredibly emotive – and we used that emotional energy in the public, the network of grass-roots support in the community groups (some of) the six of us were from, and the goodwill of the many LAUSD staff and employees who cared about children’s health – and their own.
Monsanto was so scared about the outcome they sent corporate reps to the first meeting (public under the Brown Act).
We used that to spotlight the corporate sell-out of kids health and lkept plugging.
We obtained – by March 1999 – a truly revolutionary policy which turned the burden of proving “harm” into the burden (on Monsatan and the like) of proving “safety”.
The policy even included the precautionary principle – the most powerful conceptual tool we citizens have to defeat toxic crap…and already the basis for toxic substance regulation in the EU.
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i say—my mom was a principal and made the same changes, all it takes is for someone to say, do it differently and here’s how. ………she was administrator of the year……..
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kirk says-
That’s one organizing idea – make the big changes locally, then let them percolate up through society and across geography.
[Oh - and I’d give a copy of Sandra Steingraber’s books Living Downstream and Having Faith to every mom - or wanna-be mom - I knew..and make certain no to ge in their way when they’d finsihed.
dmaz, what strategies and ideas do you (and others) have for how we can best empower ourselves?”
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hmmmmmm, well, start with your own house…………what you buy, what you eat, how you do things, how you approach things……….make it count…………when you eat, make it count, enzymes, concentrated impact, when you talk, make it count, concentrated words, when you interact with your community, make it count, have something to say, when you act, be a good example of a fine human being……….it ripples out.
learn about things you don’t understand so you can understand what you know.
love you doc.
Spew alert!
Good one, Albatross – thanks for the laugh.
one thing I’ve learned from ecology is that every niche is important.
In bringing change, some folks will focus on local action – some will focus on central power (state / Federal / WTO).
I see change coming most rapidly when those seeking change fiind the niche that best fits their situation, and then work for change while respecting and celebrating the work towards the same goal conducted in all the niches.
Hey – an ecological organizing model for eco-protection. What’s not to like?
True, difficult to study. Fact is, CDC isn’t doing much of anything to try. They’ve done the research, know the truth, and are sitting on the study. When people tried to FOIA the data they shuttled it off to a private warehouse to keep it under wraps. Lots of new research, and new tests that are available for total body burden of heavy metals and other toxins, are going to bring diagnostic breakthroughs in the next year or two. (Like Dr. Nataf’s urinary porphyrin profile). The truth will out in the end. (Hint: It’s in the shots.)
Thanks for this post. I have a friend who grew up near Chicago and was diagnosed with ALS at a very young age. There were four or five other people in their area who also developed ALS too — practically an epidemic given the rarity of the disease.
Off for dinner here – will check in later.
Thanks to all who took the time to read this post and to all to took the time to share their questions, ideas, and observations.
Together, we will win.
Ohh, my fav is butterscotch pudding and vanilla wafers.
kirk the doc says–
”one thing I’ve learned from ecology is that every niche is important.
In bringing change, some folks will focus on local action – some will focus on central power (state / Federal / WTO).
I see change coming most rapidly when those seeking change fiind the niche that best fits their situation, and then work for change while respecting and celebrating the work towards the same goal conducted in all the niches.
Hey – an ecological organizing model for eco-protection. What’s not to like?”
on the small town radio show here the talk lately has been whether to vote on a republican ballot to make national change (ronpaul fans) or to vote democratic to affect the sheriff and prosecutor offices locally……..
i call in to remind people that they have themselves talked about change in their own homes first.
you change yourself, then that affedts your family, that affects your neighbors, that affects your block, that affects your community, that affects your city, that affects your state, that affects your country……….
it is always most important to change yourself first, then you know where your convictions lay/lie, then you can influence what matters to you……….that’s how it happens………that’s how empowerment happens, and it may be someone else or some other thing that spurs/inspires it in you, but it still comes from you.
go get those epa reports people, they’re just waitin’ for you to read.
We have one of those booklets that warn of polluted fish here in Mi too. Or at least we use too. In the past year I have looked for an updated version, but haven’t found one yet. In Mi’s booklet there were many different warnings like don’t eat bottom eating fish, don’t eat fish a certain length (the longer the fish the older it is, the more toxins the fish could have), only eat this type of fish once a week, only eat that kind once a month, etc. The known toxins for each type of fish was listed. After reading that booklet who would want to eat fish at all.
Too many of their scams have an all-out, go-for-broke quality.
I’ve just been hoping that, as is often the case with those who think there’s no tomorrow to deal with, there’s much more resiliency and sheer size in the system that they have thought.
CDC has hundreds of terrific, exceptional people to be sure, but a lot of things have happened there to make many of them leave and a lot are unhappy.
The tragic thing if you read that NYT account of the postal workers at the Brentwood Station in Washington was that one of them was begging for Antrhax treatment and being told for several days he couldn’t have gotten Anthrax because he didn’t inhale enough spores (not knowing that they didn’t know how many spores you might need to inhale). He knew what he had; was begging for treatment and couldn’t get it.
What gets really ironic, although anyone like that needs IV antibiotics from the quniolone group and very intensive pulmonary care, in big cities for a period of time right after that scare pharmacists couldn’t keep a stock of Cipro and the other members of its family. People were buying it in droves to stock up–including physicians. One pharmacist told me that physicians snapped it up. That group of drugs is known to build resistance in bugs very rapidly.
Arrrgh! I used to live their! Just when I think things can’t get any worse! I want the CDC the EPA and the Bushies to get sentenced to drinking the water!
Sorry I’m late this post was a Scoop! Kirk it deserves to be repeated and it needs some mainstream media attention.
It needs some attention from our Presidential candidates as well. Nothing else says what the difference is between LEFTY Democrats and the GOP.
The GOP makes money killing people in wars or with pollution often with government cash and then they try and cover it up.
We think that people come first. Granted if a Woman chooses not to have a child we think that is her choice.
But if she choose to have a child the GOP would not and has not told her about the pollution affecting her chances her desire to have a child.
Free choice individual need to know is more important than Souless Corporate Money.
I say that if the only way you can make money is by hurting people then you are in the wrong business, a poor businessman, and you need to go to jail.
This Darth, liberals don’t understand we need oil might have been true in the 70s but we also started building electric cars prototypes then too.
We would not be in an oil war today if people like Darth in the 70s said sure oil is cheaper now but who wants to bet on peace in the Middle East?
Get mine today Damm the future is a conservative view point. We say what if?
Uh that orange water in the picture what causes it? We had a stream just like that that led into the lakewater near my home.
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jayt and Petro – thank you both.
solai, there is indeed an increase in birth defects of the anogenital region – one of the regions in our body where “endocrine disruptors” (chemical pollutants that mimic our natural hormones) have the greatest likelihood of causinng…well..disruption.
Some researchers link increased endocrine disruptors to both:
(a) increased rates of infertilty / reproductive abnormalities
(b) iincreasing rates of learning/behavioral disorders (perhaps most especially in boys)
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Learning disorders in boys? like Attention Deficit Disorder, Hyperactivity, lower than average IQ (I don’t care what the media says his IQ is) Dyslexia? Bush might be the first enviromentaly challenged President!
hi things – glad you liked the post.
the news IS a scoop, but the scoop is from the center for public integrity
(and h/t truthout!)
I don’t know what is causing the color of the polluted water. wish we knew what it was and how to make it go away.
i think a number of pollutants (and combinations) may cause a similar color.
blergh
Thanks I think I drank some of that water as a kid. Sometimes light would go all prism colors at the top of the water like when gas on water reflects sunlight. But I think I’m ok now.
Dr. Murphy,
any prognostication… if sea levels rise will the pollutants spread faster than cleanup can be accomplished?