Comments on: The Torture of John McCain http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/ Firedoglake weblog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:37:17 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lessa201 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259974 Lessa201 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:26:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259974 <p>You cannot further debase a man who has already thoroughly debased himself.</p> You cannot further debase a man who has already thoroughly debased himself.

]]> By: DeanOR http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259902 DeanOR Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:52:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259902 <p>I agree. We can debate McCain’s positions on their own merits. It is extremely insensitive to debase a victim of torture by condescendingly saying he has not come to terms with it (!) and using that claim to discredit his politics. btw, I don’t like him or his politics either, and I resisted both the Vietnam war and Iraq war from day 1.</p> I agree. We can debate McCain’s positions on their own merits. It is extremely insensitive to debase a victim of torture by condescendingly saying he has not come to terms with it (!) and using that claim to discredit his politics. btw, I don’t like him or his politics either, and I resisted both the Vietnam war and Iraq war from day 1.

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259671 Maddy Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:02:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259671 <p>Is it not frustrating perris, to see the obvious, to see some of the solutions, and watch everything take the opposite tack aaargh.</p> Is it not frustrating perris, to see the obvious, to see some of the solutions, and watch everything take the opposite tack aaargh.

]]> By: Lessa201 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259426 Lessa201 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:51:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259426 <p>Glenn, you make an excellent point there. Americans have proved over and over that we are not competent to govern ourselves. We’ve elected officials by the thousand who shouldn’t be elected manager of waste treatment plants, and see where it has gotten us. As long as we continue to elect these clowns based on what little solid information we have on them, we are going to be in the same sinking and stinking boat. I actually believed that the Democrats having a congressional majority was going to make a difference..so far they’ve only embarrassed themselves by being totally ineffectual. I live in the stone age (Mississippi) where local officials are elected based on how many signs they can plaster the roadsides with, and state and national elections still split right down the color line. Ya think we need a king?</p> Glenn, you make an excellent point there. Americans have proved over and over that we are not competent to govern ourselves. We’ve elected officials by the thousand who shouldn’t be elected manager of waste treatment plants, and see where it has gotten us. As long as we continue to elect these clowns based on what little solid information we have on them, we are going to be in the same sinking and stinking boat. I actually believed that the Democrats having a congressional majority was going to make a difference..so far they’ve only embarrassed themselves by being totally ineffectual. I live in the stone age (Mississippi) where local officials are elected based on how many signs they can plaster the roadsides with, and state and national elections still split right down the color line. Ya think we need a king?

]]> By: glennmcgahee http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259392 glennmcgahee Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259392 <p>And these are the people that Barack Obama expects to join hands with him for the good of America. Alot of these same people are just like those that he is appealing to through his gospel circuit church sermons. If he thinks that he is gonna be able to work with their support he is dreaming. And if as he says that his campaign is all about “you” and “you will be the gov’t. Sorry, but these people are why we can’t let every citizen run the gov’t. Some people need to be ignored not pandered to.</p> And these are the people that Barack Obama expects to join hands with him for the good of America. Alot of these same people are just like those that he is appealing to through his gospel circuit church sermons. If he thinks that he is gonna be able to work with their support he is dreaming. And if as he says that his campaign is all about “you” and “you will be the gov’t. Sorry, but these people are why we can’t let every citizen run the gov’t. Some people need to be ignored not pandered to.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259377 merkwurdiglieber Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:18:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259377 <p>Be careful on the road compadre, “we must hang together or surely we shall hang separately” has resonance for this election… I watched people<br /> dump the hump and we all got Nixon as a reward.</p> Be careful on the road compadre, “we must hang together or surely we shall hang separately” has resonance for this election… I watched people
dump the hump and we all got Nixon as a reward.

]]> By: Crosstimbers http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259373 Crosstimbers Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:13:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259373 <p>Merk and Lessa,</p> <p>I have to leave to drive to Austin, but I believe we generally agree. Lessa, I don’t view either Hillary Clinton or Barck Obama as critically as you do. I think they are both very capable people, and unless we allow the Democratic Party to split, I think there is a good chance we can take the whole governmentment in November. Then comes the work of trying to repair the damage, which is where I become a little depressed. I am encouraged that neither of them are dumb, and they both think they can, at least start.</p> Merk and Lessa,

I have to leave to drive to Austin, but I believe we generally agree. Lessa, I don’t view either Hillary Clinton or Barck Obama as critically as you do. I think they are both very capable people, and unless we allow the Democratic Party to split, I think there is a good chance we can take the whole governmentment in November. Then comes the work of trying to repair the damage, which is where I become a little depressed. I am encouraged that neither of them are dumb, and they both think they can, at least start.

]]> By: Lessa201 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259355 Lessa201 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:59:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259355 <p>To both Egregious and Crosstimbers, the examples I served up of what women go through was simply to point out that women also go through versions of inexpressible life difficulties. I would also point out that I have seen many women give birth as stoically as any Spartan, while others scream their lungs out cursing the men who put them in the predicament. There is no gender line that divides pain. McCain is a deadly threat to this country and must not be elected. At this point, to oppose him there are only a much-abused, much-vilified, and maybe a little insane woman, and a dark young man who seems to have a good heart but is naive and seems to listen to spiders sitting on his shoulder. I’m not at all sure I can support either of them, but the alternative is to sit home on election day and that just goes against the grain.</p> To both Egregious and Crosstimbers, the examples I served up of what women go through was simply to point out that women also go through versions of inexpressible life difficulties. I would also point out that I have seen many women give birth as stoically as any Spartan, while others scream their lungs out cursing the men who put them in the predicament. There is no gender line that divides pain. McCain is a deadly threat to this country and must not be elected. At this point, to oppose him there are only a much-abused, much-vilified, and maybe a little insane woman, and a dark young man who seems to have a good heart but is naive and seems to listen to spiders sitting on his shoulder. I’m not at all sure I can support either of them, but the alternative is to sit home on election day and that just goes against the grain.

]]> By: tw3k http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259348 tw3k Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:57:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259348 <p>MaCain is really just the frame the GOP will use market the Dems failing in the Middle East.</p> MaCain is really just the frame the GOP will use market the Dems failing in the Middle East.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259339 merkwurdiglieber Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:51:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259339 <p>Agree. My historical studies from the same time period were the same<br /> storyline, graduate studies added depth to the standard cold war line<br /> with some significant qualifiers, Ho was a nationalist first, anti-Chinese<br /> as any Vietnamese would naturally be and a communist last. Kennedy did<br /> not want nor believed in a military solution for SEA, LBJ had a different<br /> view, privately thought war unwinnable from the outset, fought it anyway.<br /> Revisionist view today is of winnable Vietnam War which is McCain’s expressed view. If he can make the war his issue, as it appears he does, he<br /> has a way to go to sell it to a nation falling apart around him and a broken army in the field. Whoever takes those tasks on has a huge uphill<br /> climb to make.</p> Agree. My historical studies from the same time period were the same
storyline, graduate studies added depth to the standard cold war line
with some significant qualifiers, Ho was a nationalist first, anti-Chinese
as any Vietnamese would naturally be and a communist last. Kennedy did
not want nor believed in a military solution for SEA, LBJ had a different
view, privately thought war unwinnable from the outset, fought it anyway.
Revisionist view today is of winnable Vietnam War which is McCain’s expressed view. If he can make the war his issue, as it appears he does, he
has a way to go to sell it to a nation falling apart around him and a broken army in the field. Whoever takes those tasks on has a huge uphill
climb to make.

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