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	<title>Comments on: Peggy Noonan Compares Hillary To Rasputin, Glenn Close In &#8220;Fatal Attraction&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: demtn</title>
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		<dc:creator>demtn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Peggy Noonan is Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;You’re Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;” Alright, Mr. Demille, I’m ready for my close-up…” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s Norma, being directed by faithful Max….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlhE32SoXs&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Peggy Noonan is Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard:</strong></p>
<p><em>You’re Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>” Alright, Mr. Demille, I’m ready for my close-up…” </p>
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<p>Here’s Norma, being directed by faithful Max….</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlhE32SoXs&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..re=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is high time for Americans to grow up.  To take the responsibility to know what is going on.  I don’t want to hear that they are “too busy working 2-3 jobs to keep up.”  That is a lie.  They have plenty of time to watch goofy Teevee shows.  After they get off work, after the kids are in bed, pick a couple of blogs — and find out what is going on.  Don’t have a computer?  One of your friends or family members do.  And if you are really, truly, too busy with working 3 jobs, that, all by itself, should tell you to vote Democratic.  (Either candidate will work.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the number of Americans who even believe this SH*T is unbelievable.  We get mad at corporations for advertising on their programs/newspapers, but WHY do they?  They get business for it.  And why is that?  You tell me.  Ignorant Americans.  No one wants to say it, but it is true.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is high time for Americans to grow up.  To take the responsibility to know what is going on.  I don’t want to hear that they are “too busy working 2-3 jobs to keep up.”  That is a lie.  They have plenty of time to watch goofy Teevee shows.  After they get off work, after the kids are in bed, pick a couple of blogs — and find out what is going on.  Don’t have a computer?  One of your friends or family members do.  And if you are really, truly, too busy with working 3 jobs, that, all by itself, should tell you to vote Democratic.  (Either candidate will work.)</p>
<p>But the number of Americans who even believe this SH*T is unbelievable.  We get mad at corporations for advertising on their programs/newspapers, but WHY do they?  They get business for it.  And why is that?  You tell me.  Ignorant Americans.  No one wants to say it, but it is true.</p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
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		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Peggy who???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy who???</p>
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		<title>By: SueN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SueN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Noonan misses the mark, as usual, in attributing the theme of toughness to Hillary, as if it originates with her.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ummm, I beg to differ. Hillary exudes a steely toughness, which is very different from any of the male candidates out there, including former candidates like Guiliani. Even W’s faux cowboy swagger and rhetoric is no where close to Hill’s steel. She’s had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at her, and she still manages to stay cool under fire. I still remember how she handled Tweety when he tried to diminish her by touching her cheek. She infantilized him very deftly and then brushed him aside. Contrast this to how Mitt lost his cool when he was challenged by the AP reporter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pray tell more about her “crime” of plaguarism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Noonan misses the mark, as usual, in attributing the theme of toughness to Hillary, as if it originates with her.”</p>
<p>Ummm, I beg to differ. Hillary exudes a steely toughness, which is very different from any of the male candidates out there, including former candidates like Guiliani. Even W’s faux cowboy swagger and rhetoric is no where close to Hill’s steel. She’s had everything and the kitchen sink thrown at her, and she still manages to stay cool under fire. I still remember how she handled Tweety when he tried to diminish her by touching her cheek. She infantilized him very deftly and then brushed him aside. Contrast this to how Mitt lost his cool when he was challenged by the AP reporter.</p>
<p>Pray tell more about her “crime” of plaguarism.</p>
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		<title>By: Bushsucks12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bushsucks12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding the Obama mantra of “HOPE”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope????HOPE????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WE DON”T NEED HOPE WE NEED HELP!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Obama mantra of “HOPE”</p>
<p>Hope????HOPE????</p>
<p>WE DON”T NEED HOPE WE NEED HELP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bushsucks12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bushsucks12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah and if only she was a man then well these traits would be……..AN ASSET? Oh peggy you are so confusing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What peggy sasy about a man who is tough….supposedly:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;————————————————————&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s Got Two of ‘Em’: Why I can’t stop being happy about the election result.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peggy Noonan right after the 2004 election:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Well, I just can’t stop being happy. I don’t mean elated–it’s hard to get elated by big history, as opposed to by the birth of a baby, say, or a child’s being elected president of the debating club–but I continue to feel relief (the exit poll hives have gone down) and satisfaction (my countrymen, such good sense they have). So let’s just let the mood continue and have fun. […]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the people tended toward Mr. Bush because they saw him as a good American man, a man they know–an imperfect one with an imperfect past who turned his life around with grit and grace. That’s a very American story. It’s one we all know, and respect. […]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The American people arguably did not pick the more interesting man in the race. Mr. Kerry strikes me as a complicated and intelligent person, and the one time I spent any time with him he seemed to be bright, and to have an interesting range of thoughts on many issues. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, does not strike me as the most interesting man in the world. That’s one of the things I love about him. I sort of have a theory that Americans don’t necessarily desire terribly interesting men as presidents. “Interesting” tends to bring with it a whole bunch of other attributes–”complicated,” “hard to figure,” “unknowable,” “startling,” even sometimes “tortured and tragic.” A lot of us are Republicans, and we just hate tortured and tragic. […]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;About a year ago I was visiting West Point, and I was talking to a big officer, a general or colonel. But he had the medals and ribbons and the stature, and he asked me what I thought of President Bush. I tried to explain what most impressed me about Mr. Bush, and I kept falling back on words like “courage” and “guts.” I wasn’t capturing the special quality Mr. Bush has of making a tough decision and then staying with it if he thinks it’s right and paying the price even when the price is high and–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I stopped speaking for a moment. There was silence. And then the general said, “You mean he’s got two of ‘em.” And I laughed and said yes, that’s exactly what I mean. And the same could be said of Reagan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah and if only she was a man then well these traits would be……..AN ASSET? Oh peggy you are so confusing.</p>
<p>What peggy sasy about a man who is tough….supposedly:</p>
<p>————————————————————</p>
<p>He’s Got Two of ‘Em’: Why I can’t stop being happy about the election result.</p>
<p>Peggy Noonan right after the 2004 election:</p>
<p>“Well, I just can’t stop being happy. I don’t mean elated–it’s hard to get elated by big history, as opposed to by the birth of a baby, say, or a child’s being elected president of the debating club–but I continue to feel relief (the exit poll hives have gone down) and satisfaction (my countrymen, such good sense they have). So let’s just let the mood continue and have fun. […]</p>
<p>I think the people tended toward Mr. Bush because they saw him as a good American man, a man they know–an imperfect one with an imperfect past who turned his life around with grit and grace. That’s a very American story. It’s one we all know, and respect. […]</p>
<p>The American people arguably did not pick the more interesting man in the race. Mr. Kerry strikes me as a complicated and intelligent person, and the one time I spent any time with him he seemed to be bright, and to have an interesting range of thoughts on many issues. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, does not strike me as the most interesting man in the world. That’s one of the things I love about him. I sort of have a theory that Americans don’t necessarily desire terribly interesting men as presidents. “Interesting” tends to bring with it a whole bunch of other attributes–”complicated,” “hard to figure,” “unknowable,” “startling,” even sometimes “tortured and tragic.” A lot of us are Republicans, and we just hate tortured and tragic. […]</p>
<p>About a year ago I was visiting West Point, and I was talking to a big officer, a general or colonel. But he had the medals and ribbons and the stature, and he asked me what I thought of President Bush. I tried to explain what most impressed me about Mr. Bush, and I kept falling back on words like “courage” and “guts.” I wasn’t capturing the special quality Mr. Bush has of making a tough decision and then staying with it if he thinks it’s right and paying the price even when the price is high and–</p>
<p>I stopped speaking for a moment. There was silence. And then the general said, “You mean he’s got two of ‘em.” And I laughed and said yes, that’s exactly what I mean. And the same could be said of Reagan.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am desperate, absolutely desperate about the Clintons. I cannot bear the thought of 8 more years of the  24 year Clinton/Bush debacle. The Clintons are an absolute waste of time. But I am not trying to bully you into doing anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am desperate, absolutely desperate about the Clintons. I cannot bear the thought of 8 more years of the  24 year Clinton/Bush debacle. The Clintons are an absolute waste of time. But I am not trying to bully you into doing anything.</p>
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		<title>By: itunkala</title>
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		<dc:creator>itunkala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When are the Clintons going to stop&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when are the clinton bashers going to jump off the GOPer bandwagon and stop?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i get so damned tired of the Obama mantra on AUMF when his senate votes ( you know, the ones that count?) are identical to clintons - or worse from progressive punch vantage point - regarding every iraq vote since he’s been accountable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;do me a favor, okay? stop trying to BULLY folks from supporting a Hillary Clinton campaign. if you only knew how desperate you sound beating that drum.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are the Clintons going to stop</p>
<p>when are the clinton bashers going to jump off the GOPer bandwagon and stop?</p>
<p>i get so damned tired of the Obama mantra on AUMF when his senate votes ( you know, the ones that count?) are identical to clintons &#8211; or worse from progressive punch vantage point &#8211; regarding every iraq vote since he’s been accountable.</p>
<p>do me a favor, okay? stop trying to BULLY folks from supporting a Hillary Clinton campaign. if you only knew how desperate you sound beating that drum.</p>
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		<title>By: incontext</title>
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		<dc:creator>incontext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Noonan misses the mark, as usual, in attributing the theme of toughness to Hillary, as if it originates with her. Just listen to endless drone of George Bush’s oratory legacy: “tough on terror,” “tough on Iraq,” “tough on Iran,”…tough on whatever or whoever the voices in his head tell him are out to get him or his parent’s wealth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m joking, of course. Any voices Bush hears in his head don’t come from within. No. Between his large ears is an empty plain whose low winds are accompanied only by  faint noises of animal itchings and scratchings; and those, the low-wattage Bush brain primitively interprets as the disdainful murmurs of unnamed enemies bent on forcing him to face up to his humiliating absence of authentic personal power.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back in reality, the only distinct words George Bush hears in his head speak to him directly from an electronic earphone and were penned by a typical Republican speech writer who, like Noonan, consistently mistakes the intense fervor and paranoia of undiagnosed bipolar disease for patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary’s only crime, if any, is plagiarism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noonan misses the mark, as usual, in attributing the theme of toughness to Hillary, as if it originates with her. Just listen to endless drone of George Bush’s oratory legacy: “tough on terror,” “tough on Iraq,” “tough on Iran,”…tough on whatever or whoever the voices in his head tell him are out to get him or his parent’s wealth.</p>
<p>I’m joking, of course. Any voices Bush hears in his head don’t come from within. No. Between his large ears is an empty plain whose low winds are accompanied only by  faint noises of animal itchings and scratchings; and those, the low-wattage Bush brain primitively interprets as the disdainful murmurs of unnamed enemies bent on forcing him to face up to his humiliating absence of authentic personal power.  </p>
<p>Back in reality, the only distinct words George Bush hears in his head speak to him directly from an electronic earphone and were penned by a typical Republican speech writer who, like Noonan, consistently mistakes the intense fervor and paranoia of undiagnosed bipolar disease for patriotism.</p>
<p>Hillary’s only crime, if any, is plagiarism.</p>
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