
shorter Club for Growth
Senator McCain kicked our asses in the primaries because the far right Republican base rejected our candidates in droves, but he'll have to dive into the tank for us to win in the general election.
Well, can't argue with that. Identifying himself with the currently-ascendant pack of movement conservatives should be a multiplier for his winning strategy of portraying himself as a twinkly-eyed independent maverick who stands up to the currently-ascendant pack of movement conservatives.
Also he should point out as often as possible that his stance on the hot-button issue of torture is much more nuanced than he's given credit for. After all, without Senator McCain's intervention, if the United States violated the Geneva Convention and practiced torture on the president's sayso there was a clear and present danger that somebody might get into trouble over it
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a prisoner during the Vietnam War who led the Senate rebellion against the administration's proposals, said, "The agreement that we've entered into gives the president the tools that he needs to continue to fight the war on terror and bring these evil people to justice." But he added: "There is no doubt that the integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved."
On the key issue of detainee treatment that had caused the impasse between the White House and the dissident Republicans, the two sides agreed on a list of specified crimes that could provoke prosecution of CIA interrogators and others. They also agreed that past violations of the Geneva Conventions, an international treaty barring degrading and humiliating treatment of detainees, would not result in criminal or civil legal action.
The White House, for its part, yielded in its demand to adopt, with congressional approval, a restricted definition of its obligations under Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. That article requires humane treatment of detainees and bars "violence to life and person," such as death and mutilation, as well as cruel treatment and "outrages upon personal dignity."
The compromise language gives the president a dominant -- but not exclusive -- role in deciding which interrogation methods are permitted by that provision of the treaty. It also prohibits detainees from using the Geneva Conventions to challenge their imprisonment or seek civil damages for mistreatment, as the administration sought.
As the talking dog points out, the McCain/Warner/Graham "compromise" with the White House means that the US reaffirms its commitment to the Geneva Conventions while doing away with the possibility that anyone can be prosecuted for violating them (more from Digby and Legal Fiction).
In the Only Nixon can go to China sense, only a man who has experienced torture at the hands of a lawless and conscienceless enemy could have been the "moderate" face of this particular compromise. I think Senator McCain should insist on being given far more credit by the Jack Bauer crowd as the man who removed a roadblock to their chosen form of amusement international relations.
He should hug Bush more too.
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John McBush has chosen his running mates.
-G
what a lovely couple….
Looking at that photo reminds me of people who have been kidnapped and kept in basements loving their captors.
707
Well, a parrot would be better than what we have now.
Does his chimp have to come?
Yes, a honeymoon in Key West I think is in order.
Uhhh… Sure they are… Why did all the JAG’s renounce it…
Our current 1480 Progressive Radio billboard has a pic of Bush with the phrase of “Had Enough”….. now they are thinking of putting up the “Bush Hug” Picture…. want four more years of Bush policies?
McCain is your answer…
Want more of the Iraq Depression?
McCain is your answer…
julia!
They hate him!!
He’s their candidate, and they hate him.
Go figure.
Hey, you. Happy friday.
I have seen those a couple of times when I was in Phoenix. Thought they are great but surprised the whackos haven’t trashed them yet.
i hate my candidates too. :(
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
happy forking friday to you too, julia
glad to see your focus on st john who sold his soul to bush for a hug
LS
You’re right. I should go crash. I thought I’d stay up for Bill Moyers, but, Oh God, I’m not in the mood for Guantanimo. See I can’t even spell it.
Night All.
See you in the morning.
Aww, Selise, isn’t hate a bit harsh? How’s about dislike…? ;-)
You only need Lieberman in the picture.
I did see spray paint on one on McDowell & the 143 & it was some quip that was really funny that fit the sign… like “more than enough” or “way past time”
Ya but I hate my candidates less than I hate theirs.
You mean the candidates that got chosen before you, as a citizen, had a chance to vote for or against in certain states and,therefore; you are stuck with who they chose for you…???? Gee…
I hear you.
Ain’t it grand?
I’ve always wondered how much soul he had to sell - all that reformery mavericity came after he was caught up in a huge dirty money scandal that would have made it very hard for him to be president if he hadn’t become A Force For Change.
Sleep, we’ll be there.
There’s a BETTER photo now up on Huffpro.
it’s been a bad two days. which is no excuse, i suppose.
but no, i really do hate them both today. didn’t last week.
hey…
My dear you are brilliant.
i think he is already being set up to be the fall guy - ‘even bush supported him with the full weight of the presidency behind it and mccain still lost’ kinda deal.
they want him to lose so he gets the blame and not bush.
Yeah!!! Bring it
out!!!!on!!!!!My preferred candidate didn’t make it to my primary. It took me til the day before the voting to decide that it would be a candyass move to vote for him in a winner-take-all state.
I’m still sort of sorry I didn’t.
excellent point.
Show your displeasure on 3-18-08 Strike boycott. No work, no school, no shopping but do visit your congress critter to voice your displeasure or DC will have quite a crowd. This marks the 5th anniversary of the war. If nothing else wear an arm band w/ # 5 . Peace now.
That is exactly how I feel.
I don’t think he is being set up at all. He is being presented as the more “moderate” candidate. The one that the middle of the roaders should vote for over the liberal dem.
aw, shucks.
Wow! I ask and I receive. Hope plenty of more McCain posts in the works.
So, you know, I never really kept tabs on McCain financial issues. I bet he was a squeaky clean maverick all the way through the S&L crisis, huh? I think the public deserves in depth investigations of McCain’s claims to pure maverick integrity.
Oh, I forgot, he admitted he doesn’t know much about about economics, will let the ‘Fed handle it.’ So, probably nothing there.
I’d also love to know about his very advanced nuanced views of foreign policy. He will be hard to beat there. The pharse “bomb ‘em” is catchy, and seems to sum it up. Is there anything more to add?
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this is a historical question now, but I do wonder. How, how on earth could the wingnuts believe Romney is a real conservative, and ever, in any rational world prefer him to McCain on that basis? On most issues, McCain is VERY conservative, and has a whole lot more in common with Bush/Cheney economics and values and outlook than Romney, even after taking his (now abandoned) reality based position on income tax into account.
Makes me suspect that the righteous wingnuts really care only about power and money, not morality or even remotely respectable conservative values. Because Romney was about power and money and nothing else.
Their preference of Romney over McCain is absurd otherwise.
Biodun!
Whoops. Like ships, in the night.
I’m taking my vicks and book and going to bed.
see ya tomorrow.
The other funny thing is the CW rumor out there that McCain should choose Condi as his VP to counter the Obama effect….. it just makes me laugh… he might as well pick Colin Powell …..
If any one things that more Repugs will vote for McCain with Condi as VP…. OMG…. ya just who dreamed up those racist ads against Harold Ford?
Yup! Either of the Democratic candidates is a whole lot better than the twits on the otherside and the jerk currently occupying the White House. We can only go up.
After the prostate massaging he’s been getting from Chimpy, I’m sure he won’t mind.
i see the condi crap as a craven attempt to try to pick up black and/or female votes. as if the r’s can draw off bo or hrc votes with condi (major eye rolling)
I think maybe what enfuriates them is that from the eighties on, the entire Republican movement has floated into power on a tidal wave of cash, and McCain cut off the spigot. Not just that, but he cut it off with a conspicuous air of virtue, as if he weren’t as dirty as they are or dirtier.
Me, I think he’s Bush Mark 2 - a son of and grandson of (admirals, in his case) who never amounted to much in school. He did, though, acquit himself bravely in a POW camp, and came home a hero.
I suspect he’s going to make them all pay for choosing the chickenhawk legacy underachiever over him if he can.
Seems to me that there are several video clips on McCain bald face straight out over the top jump the shark lying his ass off on TV over last few months. Seems like one should be able to pull a classic Romney clip-off on him. I hope to see many of those all over.
Bush and Rove for McCain. Rove ponied up.
He’d have more success with his base if he had Cheney on his tix… And Shrub was calling Darth the best Veep ever… Yee-haw…!
Exactly…. the back to back debate pretty much showed that and that kos diary about the kid reporting on the debate….. always see the Huck as Beagle eyes…
How about Deputy Dog = McCain & Huckleberry Hound = Huckabee
How could anyone seriously consider that McCain could/would be President????
What kind of insanity is this????
“President McCain announced today that he has ordered the massive bombing and attacks on Iran…
Insanity…..Insanity…..
Actually, it might happen prior to a McCain presidency…
Now, on Bill Maher, they are bringing up the suggestion that Condi would be McCain’s VP to offset Hillary…
I am never surprised.
Process of elimination.
The perfect ticket to make Hillary seem like a breath of fresh air.
And Bolton for McCain. And I just read McCain was a big Bolton supporter for posts where Bolton could do most damage -includeing UN. That is scary.
That tells you who McCain really is. The world needs to know: McCain = murderous self-righteous war-nut. Not a warmonger, not a militarist, no, a war-nut. That is the only term that fits. War is his hammer and the rest of the world is the nail.
Desperate times in the Lily-white Party!
I thought KO nailed it today… Instead of Think Condi, it should be Think, Condi! We might not be in such a mess then… ;-)
And the sun rises in the east.
How is McCain being president any less believable than Little Boots receiving the position?
Good lord.
I can’t imagine how he plans to look his wife and daughter in the face for the rest of his life.
Of course, he’s managed it since he went hat in hand to Bob Jones University (is BJU the worst name for a school or what?) and Jerry Falwell.
Yes Condi!
But the GOP doesn’t play ‘identity politics’ like the Democrats.
I’m gonna puke, get me a bucket.
-G
Iraq is on the fast track to coming fully undone.
The Kurds are now saying FU to the national government and they appear to be cutting their own oil deals.
Also, the US isn’t getting anyone to sign on as ‘awakening groups’ in order to take on Mosul.
Turkey is hammering the Kurds again too.
Plus Ayatollah Sisatani is slowing down and that may open up a whole new battle for power if his power wanes.
Also the Al Sadr ceasefire ends on 2/23. We’ll see if he renews it.
McCain and Condi- That would be GREAT- a dedication to prolonging policies Bush…they’d get clobbered by thirty points- even if the DID pick up five more points with african americans- which is doubtful..
Yup.
Filed under unfortunate lapse in judgment by the best (and progressive) MSM reporter on air:
Seven years of outrageous, never before seen criminal activities from BushCo has opened a lot of eyes.
That’s it in a nut shell (so to speak).
Tancredo . . . Hunter . . . Thompson . . . Giuliani . . . Romney . . . Paul . . . Huckabee . . . McCain . . .
I know there’s got to be a nominee in there somewhere.
Condi would be the anti-Hillary and the anti-Obama….all wrapped up in one.
One friggin’ incompetent shoe-shopping, plane hopping, Bush-worshipping, person unable, to quote Trump, unable to “close the deal”. Trump said that all she did was get in and out of cars and wave…and had been unable to complete any deal at all.
BJU = Blow J*b University
Kurds need to quickly capitalize what they currently believe is their oil- it’s about to get taken away. If they sell it to Exxon- GW Clusterfuck will protect it for a year.
*ouch*
Got me there. Who could have anticipated . . .
Well, maybe more the Lily-pink Party!
Not a woman and not an African American.
Ron Paul?
But I hear that Bush stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so it’s all good.
I’d love to see a McCain/Rice ticket. It wouldn’t help the repubs one iota, but it might nullify the woman-hater/racist anti-vote.
I may be wrong but my bet is McCain will pick the Huck….the Huck can win the wingnut south and McCain the war party…. there you go….. God’s War rolled right into one package…
I don’t choose the GOPer nominee — I just calls ‘em as I see’s ‘em.
And this moronic bit:
Heh. She covers all the bases.
The more noise the Kurds make about autonomy, the more Turkey and Iran bring on the military heat.
The more that happens the less likely the Kurdish military can be relied upon to keep the lid on Iraq.
Seems some people predicted that shattering Iraq might lead to some unintended consequences.
-G
Agreed. Proof-positive that McCain’s vision of a hundred years in Iraq really is his vision.
You know what I’d really like to see? Hillary speak out on this Schuster thing herself. Schuster is among the best at the network, and just blew it. Hillary could acknowledge that she is just sick of others at the network, Tweets, Joe and Tucker, give examples of what they have said, and forgive Schuster publicly. That would be a winner.
The one in Bahrain worth 3 billion dollars with all of the beautiful ocean sand shipped in from Algeria?
-G
Run away!!! Run away!!!
I agree Katy, McCain will pick Huck. That will help him.
As much as Ron Paul is a nut…. he isn’t crazy enough or would loose his principles to hug the McCain…. just won’t do it….
Rice would remind people of Bush. How could McCain run away from Bush with Rice tied to him like an anchor. And the issue of Rice’s incompetence would come up. I would think Dean would have the guts and nerve to bring up her malfeasance in runup to 9-111, and lying and ass-covering afterward. (actually doing that would take only common sense and patriotism, but for today’s standard cowardly bigsthot Democrat it would take guts and nerve)
McCain has a problem that needs to be exploited. He needs to keep the CPAC and religious right crowd in line, while conning gullible moderates and independents into thinking he is not VERY conservative, and on war, worse than Bush.
Yep, in a perverse, ironic kinda way…
Keating Five
Katrina Birthday Cake
Kerry’s Running Mate
Who exactly is voting for McCain and why do they do it? There issn’t much of War Party left and most of the evangelical conservatives belong to that group. I think McCain will have trouble finding someone who brings him anything.
I’m thinking Brownback.
Huckabee’s said a few too many nasty things, and he’s not the only one who can reach out to the fundy wing of the party.
McCain is going to be lead around by how Al Qaeda will react to world events.
Earth to John……Al Qaeda will always boast that they are winning.
Asshat.
-G
Um…can I have my country back please? Oh…”please” apparently doesn’t work with these people…oh, yeah…I knew that.
Are you talking about my senator?
Good… about damn time!
IRT, Schuster: While I’m not defending him, doesn’t it seem like his remark was not as offensive as other things I’ve heard. I heard Andrew Sullivan use the phrase “Hillary Cooties” and he shuddered. Everyone laughed. That was on the Sunday Chris Matthews Show. I found that offensive.
I thought that only Republicans did that. Isn’t it always good news for the GOP, regardless of what actually happens?
yeah, but how heavy is the presidency these days?
The after this, Darth went hunting for the weekend:
Same link as74.)
Similarly, the Surge is working and we’re winning…!
Wednesday at our DFA meeting two of the election observers spoke about the process and the results…. the interesting thing is that the mail-in vote was 47% Romney and 41% McCain AND the polling scanned ballot results was just the opposite. We all thought that Romney would win AZ with the Mormon factor….
the truth has never stopped an R attack before
Whoa! Anybody hear about this leaked memo from a Republican operative named Manuel Miranda who was tasked with assisting the political operations at the Iraq Embassy. He lists a litany of failures and cover-ups in the process of making Iraq a sovereign nation, calls the diplomatic mission there a bunch of incompetants, and even says his “fearless leader” is espousing “reed-thin” successes while ignoring the wreck of a government.
This is a guy that is basically a “true-believer” (and a Bush dirty-trickster of long repute) who has swallowed the Kool-Aid that one can actually “ignore” the past history of a region and their cultural conflicts and wave a magic wand to produce Western-Style Democracy…yet when he actually talks about whether it is occurring he sees only failures and an inability of those tasked to resolve the political miasma.
The Miranda Leak
The Actual Miranda Memo
This is reassuring…
Romney got the eastern counties - Navajo, Apache, Gila, Graham and Greenlee. No shortage of LDS in those counties.
Then if that is so why Senator McCain did you surrender in Vietnam??
Whoo Hoo!! Thanks Hmmmm for this:
And about Barry’s youthful indiscretion:
OT-Over at SadlyNo there are 11(or so) posts from the CPAC convention. Really great. Here’s just a small sampling:
Question:
Is anyone having problems with a Trojan virus attack called Vundo?
This Trojan is a downloader virus from adware that opens the door and downloads additional virus. Fought off 22 different virus last week & two this week. Trying to figure out the source…