
shorter Club for Growth
Senator McCain kicked our asses in the primaries because the far right Republican base rejected our candidates in droves, but he'll have to dive into the tank for us to win in the general election.
Well, can't argue with that. Identifying himself with the currently-ascendant pack of movement conservatives should be a multiplier for his winning strategy of portraying himself as a twinkly-eyed independent maverick who stands up to the currently-ascendant pack of movement conservatives.
Also he should point out as often as possible that his stance on the hot-button issue of torture is much more nuanced than he's given credit for. After all, without Senator McCain's intervention, if the United States violated the Geneva Convention and practiced torture on the president's sayso there was a clear and present danger that somebody might get into trouble over it
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a prisoner during the Vietnam War who led the Senate rebellion against the administration's proposals, said, "The agreement that we've entered into gives the president the tools that he needs to continue to fight the war on terror and bring these evil people to justice." But he added: "There is no doubt that the integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved."
On the key issue of detainee treatment that had caused the impasse between the White House and the dissident Republicans, the two sides agreed on a list of specified crimes that could provoke prosecution of CIA interrogators and others. They also agreed that past violations of the Geneva Conventions, an international treaty barring degrading and humiliating treatment of detainees, would not result in criminal or civil legal action.
The White House, for its part, yielded in its demand to adopt, with congressional approval, a restricted definition of its obligations under Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. That article requires humane treatment of detainees and bars "violence to life and person," such as death and mutilation, as well as cruel treatment and "outrages upon personal dignity."
The compromise language gives the president a dominant -- but not exclusive -- role in deciding which interrogation methods are permitted by that provision of the treaty. It also prohibits detainees from using the Geneva Conventions to challenge their imprisonment or seek civil damages for mistreatment, as the administration sought.
As the talking dog points out, the McCain/Warner/Graham "compromise" with the White House means that the US reaffirms its commitment to the Geneva Conventions while doing away with the possibility that anyone can be prosecuted for violating them (more from Digby and Legal Fiction).
In the Only Nixon can go to China sense, only a man who has experienced torture at the hands of a lawless and conscienceless enemy could have been the "moderate" face of this particular compromise. I think Senator McCain should insist on being given far more credit by the Jack Bauer crowd as the man who removed a roadblock to their chosen form of amusement international relations.
He should hug Bush more too.
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John McBush has chosen his running mates.
-G
what a lovely couple….
Looking at that photo reminds me of people who have been kidnapped and kept in basements loving their captors.
707
Well, a parrot would be better than what we have now.
Does his chimp have to come?
Yes, a honeymoon in Key West I think is in order.
Uhhh… Sure they are… Why did all the JAG’s renounce it…
Our current 1480 Progressive Radio billboard has a pic of Bush with the phrase of “Had Enough”….. now they are thinking of putting up the “Bush Hug” Picture…. want four more years of Bush policies?
McCain is your answer…
Want more of the Iraq Depression?
McCain is your answer…
julia!
They hate him!!
He’s their candidate, and they hate him.
Go figure.
Hey, you. Happy friday.
I have seen those a couple of times when I was in Phoenix. Thought they are great but surprised the whackos haven’t trashed them yet.
i hate my candidates too. :(
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
happy forking friday to you too, julia
glad to see your focus on st john who sold his soul to bush for a hug
LS
You’re right. I should go crash. I thought I’d stay up for Bill Moyers, but, Oh God, I’m not in the mood for Guantanimo. See I can’t even spell it.
Night All.
See you in the morning.
Aww, Selise, isn’t hate a bit harsh? How’s about dislike…? ;-)
You only need Lieberman in the picture.
I did see spray paint on one on McDowell & the 143 & it was some quip that was really funny that fit the sign… like “more than enough” or “way past time”
Ya but I hate my candidates less than I hate theirs.
You mean the candidates that got chosen before you, as a citizen, had a chance to vote for or against in certain states and,therefore; you are stuck with who they chose for you…???? Gee…
I hear you.
Ain’t it grand?
I’ve always wondered how much soul he had to sell - all that reformery mavericity came after he was caught up in a huge dirty money scandal that would have made it very hard for him to be president if he hadn’t become A Force For Change.
Sleep, we’ll be there.
There’s a BETTER photo now up on Huffpro.
it’s been a bad two days. which is no excuse, i suppose.
but no, i really do hate them both today. didn’t last week.
hey…
My dear you are brilliant.
i think he is already being set up to be the fall guy - ‘even bush supported him with the full weight of the presidency behind it and mccain still lost’ kinda deal.
they want him to lose so he gets the blame and not bush.
Yeah!!! Bring it
out!!!!on!!!!!My preferred candidate didn’t make it to my primary. It took me til the day before the voting to decide that it would be a candyass move to vote for him in a winner-take-all state.
I’m still sort of sorry I didn’t.
excellent point.
Show your displeasure on 3-18-08 Strike boycott. No work, no school, no shopping but do visit your congress critter to voice your displeasure or DC will have quite a crowd. This marks the 5th anniversary of the war. If nothing else wear an arm band w/ # 5 . Peace now.
That is exactly how I feel.
I don’t think he is being set up at all. He is being presented as the more “moderate” candidate. The one that the middle of the roaders should vote for over the liberal dem.
aw, shucks.
Wow! I ask and I receive. Hope plenty of more McCain posts in the works.
So, you know, I never really kept tabs on McCain financial issues. I bet he was a squeaky clean maverick all the way through the S&L crisis, huh? I think the public deserves in depth investigations of McCain’s claims to pure maverick integrity.
Oh, I forgot, he admitted he doesn’t know much about about economics, will let the ‘Fed handle it.’ So, probably nothing there.
I’d also love to know about his very advanced nuanced views of foreign policy. He will be hard to beat there. The pharse “bomb ‘em” is catchy, and seems to sum it up. Is there anything more to add?
—
this is a historical question now, but I do wonder. How, how on earth could the wingnuts believe Romney is a real conservative, and ever, in any rational world prefer him to McCain on that basis? On most issues, McCain is VERY conservative, and has a whole lot more in common with Bush/Cheney economics and values and outlook than Romney, even after taking his (now abandoned) reality based position on income tax into account.
Makes me suspect that the righteous wingnuts really care only about power and money, not morality or even remotely respectable conservative values. Because Romney was about power and money and nothing else.
Their preference of Romney over McCain is absurd otherwise.
Biodun!
Whoops. Like ships, in the night.
I’m taking my vicks and book and going to bed.
see ya tomorrow.
The other funny thing is the CW rumor out there that McCain should choose Condi as his VP to counter the Obama effect….. it just makes me laugh… he might as well pick Colin Powell …..
If any one things that more Repugs will vote for McCain with Condi as VP…. OMG…. ya just who dreamed up those racist ads against Harold Ford?
Yup! Either of the Democratic candidates is a whole lot better than the twits on the otherside and the jerk currently occupying the White House. We can only go up.
After the prostate massaging he’s been getting from Chimpy, I’m sure he won’t mind.
i see the condi crap as a craven attempt to try to pick up black and/or female votes. as if the r’s can draw off bo or hrc votes with condi (major eye rolling)
I think maybe what enfuriates them is that from the eighties on, the entire Republican movement has floated into power on a tidal wave of cash, and McCain cut off the spigot. Not just that, but he cut it off with a conspicuous air of virtue, as if he weren’t as dirty as they are or dirtier.
Me, I think he’s Bush Mark 2 - a son of and grandson of (admirals, in his case) who never amounted to much in school. He did, though, acquit himself bravely in a POW camp, and came home a hero.
I suspect he’s going to make them all pay for choosing the chickenhawk legacy underachiever over him if he can.
Seems to me that there are several video clips on McCain bald face straight out over the top jump the shark lying his ass off on TV over last few months. Seems like one should be able to pull a classic Romney clip-off on him. I hope to see many of those all over.
Bush and Rove for McCain. Rove ponied up.
He’d have more success with his base if he had Cheney on his tix… And Shrub was calling Darth the best Veep ever… Yee-haw…!
Exactly…. the back to back debate pretty much showed that and that kos diary about the kid reporting on the debate….. always see the Huck as Beagle eyes…
How about Deputy Dog = McCain & Huckleberry Hound = Huckabee
How could anyone seriously consider that McCain could/would be President????
What kind of insanity is this????
“President McCain announced today that he has ordered the massive bombing and attacks on Iran…
Insanity…..Insanity…..
Actually, it might happen prior to a McCain presidency…
Now, on Bill Maher, they are bringing up the suggestion that Condi would be McCain’s VP to offset Hillary…
I am never surprised.
Process of elimination.
The perfect ticket to make Hillary seem like a breath of fresh air.
And Bolton for McCain. And I just read McCain was a big Bolton supporter for posts where Bolton could do most damage -includeing UN. That is scary.
That tells you who McCain really is. The world needs to know: McCain = murderous self-righteous war-nut. Not a warmonger, not a militarist, no, a war-nut. That is the only term that fits. War is his hammer and the rest of the world is the nail.
Desperate times in the Lily-white Party!
I thought KO nailed it today… Instead of Think Condi, it should be Think, Condi! We might not be in such a mess then… ;-)
And the sun rises in the east.
How is McCain being president any less believable than Little Boots receiving the position?
Good lord.
I can’t imagine how he plans to look his wife and daughter in the face for the rest of his life.
Of course, he’s managed it since he went hat in hand to Bob Jones University (is BJU the worst name for a school or what?) and Jerry Falwell.
Yes Condi!
But the GOP doesn’t play ‘identity politics’ like the Democrats.
I’m gonna puke, get me a bucket.
-G
Iraq is on the fast track to coming fully undone.
The Kurds are now saying FU to the national government and they appear to be cutting their own oil deals.
Also, the US isn’t getting anyone to sign on as ‘awakening groups’ in order to take on Mosul.
Turkey is hammering the Kurds again too.
Plus Ayatollah Sisatani is slowing down and that may open up a whole new battle for power if his power wanes.
Also the Al Sadr ceasefire ends on 2/23. We’ll see if he renews it.
McCain and Condi- That would be GREAT- a dedication to prolonging policies Bush…they’d get clobbered by thirty points- even if the DID pick up five more points with african americans- which is doubtful..
Yup.
Filed under unfortunate lapse in judgment by the best (and progressive) MSM reporter on air:
Seven years of outrageous, never before seen criminal activities from BushCo has opened a lot of eyes.
That’s it in a nut shell (so to speak).
Tancredo . . . Hunter . . . Thompson . . . Giuliani . . . Romney . . . Paul . . . Huckabee . . . McCain . . .
I know there’s got to be a nominee in there somewhere.
Condi would be the anti-Hillary and the anti-Obama….all wrapped up in one.
One friggin’ incompetent shoe-shopping, plane hopping, Bush-worshipping, person unable, to quote Trump, unable to “close the deal”. Trump said that all she did was get in and out of cars and wave…and had been unable to complete any deal at all.
BJU = Blow J*b University
Kurds need to quickly capitalize what they currently believe is their oil- it’s about to get taken away. If they sell it to Exxon- GW Clusterfuck will protect it for a year.
*ouch*
Got me there. Who could have anticipated . . .
Well, maybe more the Lily-pink Party!
Not a woman and not an African American.
Ron Paul?
But I hear that Bush stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so it’s all good.
I’d love to see a McCain/Rice ticket. It wouldn’t help the repubs one iota, but it might nullify the woman-hater/racist anti-vote.
I may be wrong but my bet is McCain will pick the Huck….the Huck can win the wingnut south and McCain the war party…. there you go….. God’s War rolled right into one package…
I don’t choose the GOPer nominee — I just calls ‘em as I see’s ‘em.
And this moronic bit:
Heh. She covers all the bases.
The more noise the Kurds make about autonomy, the more Turkey and Iran bring on the military heat.
The more that happens the less likely the Kurdish military can be relied upon to keep the lid on Iraq.
Seems some people predicted that shattering Iraq might lead to some unintended consequences.
-G
Agreed. Proof-positive that McCain’s vision of a hundred years in Iraq really is his vision.
You know what I’d really like to see? Hillary speak out on this Schuster thing herself. Schuster is among the best at the network, and just blew it. Hillary could acknowledge that she is just sick of others at the network, Tweets, Joe and Tucker, give examples of what they have said, and forgive Schuster publicly. That would be a winner.
The one in Bahrain worth 3 billion dollars with all of the beautiful ocean sand shipped in from Algeria?
-G
Run away!!! Run away!!!
I agree Katy, McCain will pick Huck. That will help him.
As much as Ron Paul is a nut…. he isn’t crazy enough or would loose his principles to hug the McCain…. just won’t do it….
Rice would remind people of Bush. How could McCain run away from Bush with Rice tied to him like an anchor. And the issue of Rice’s incompetence would come up. I would think Dean would have the guts and nerve to bring up her malfeasance in runup to 9-111, and lying and ass-covering afterward. (actually doing that would take only common sense and patriotism, but for today’s standard cowardly bigsthot Democrat it would take guts and nerve)
McCain has a problem that needs to be exploited. He needs to keep the CPAC and religious right crowd in line, while conning gullible moderates and independents into thinking he is not VERY conservative, and on war, worse than Bush.
Yep, in a perverse, ironic kinda way…
Keating Five
Katrina Birthday Cake
Kerry’s Running Mate
Who exactly is voting for McCain and why do they do it? There issn’t much of War Party left and most of the evangelical conservatives belong to that group. I think McCain will have trouble finding someone who brings him anything.
I’m thinking Brownback.
Huckabee’s said a few too many nasty things, and he’s not the only one who can reach out to the fundy wing of the party.
McCain is going to be lead around by how Al Qaeda will react to world events.
Earth to John……Al Qaeda will always boast that they are winning.
Asshat.
-G
Um…can I have my country back please? Oh…”please” apparently doesn’t work with these people…oh, yeah…I knew that.
Are you talking about my senator?
Good… about damn time!
IRT, Schuster: While I’m not defending him, doesn’t it seem like his remark was not as offensive as other things I’ve heard. I heard Andrew Sullivan use the phrase “Hillary Cooties” and he shuddered. Everyone laughed. That was on the Sunday Chris Matthews Show. I found that offensive.
I thought that only Republicans did that. Isn’t it always good news for the GOP, regardless of what actually happens?
yeah, but how heavy is the presidency these days?
The after this, Darth went hunting for the weekend:
Same link as74.)
Similarly, the Surge is working and we’re winning…!
Wednesday at our DFA meeting two of the election observers spoke about the process and the results…. the interesting thing is that the mail-in vote was 47% Romney and 41% McCain AND the polling scanned ballot results was just the opposite. We all thought that Romney would win AZ with the Mormon factor….
the truth has never stopped an R attack before
Whoa! Anybody hear about this leaked memo from a Republican operative named Manuel Miranda who was tasked with assisting the political operations at the Iraq Embassy. He lists a litany of failures and cover-ups in the process of making Iraq a sovereign nation, calls the diplomatic mission there a bunch of incompetants, and even says his “fearless leader” is espousing “reed-thin” successes while ignoring the wreck of a government.
This is a guy that is basically a “true-believer” (and a Bush dirty-trickster of long repute) who has swallowed the Kool-Aid that one can actually “ignore” the past history of a region and their cultural conflicts and wave a magic wand to produce Western-Style Democracy…yet when he actually talks about whether it is occurring he sees only failures and an inability of those tasked to resolve the political miasma.
The Miranda Leak
The Actual Miranda Memo
This is reassuring…
Romney got the eastern counties - Navajo, Apache, Gila, Graham and Greenlee. No shortage of LDS in those counties.
Then if that is so why Senator McCain did you surrender in Vietnam??
Whoo Hoo!! Thanks Hmmmm for this:
And about Barry’s youthful indiscretion:
OT-Over at SadlyNo there are 11(or so) posts from the CPAC convention. Really great. Here’s just a small sampling:
Question:
Is anyone having problems with a Trojan virus attack called Vundo?
This Trojan is a downloader virus from adware that opens the door and downloads additional virus. Fought off 22 different virus last week & two this week. Trying to figure out the source…
Even better Bush-McCain hug…
What about the prospect that after the vote is finished in the Democratic primary, the Super Delegates choose someone the voters didn’t choose in their caucuses and primaries when they’re over in June in the symbolically non-smoke filled smoke filled rooms?
That’d be another example of the voters cut out of the picture.
The answer to your lament about candidates out of the race before the majority of states voted is regional primaries that rotate which regions are first every four years, the way the Superbowl site or anything else gets rotated. You cut out the me first compression that now has the very real prospect being discussed of Michigan and Florida voting over toward the last of the primary giving them plenty of significance but with different timing.
The goofy primary timing and the lack of voting machines with a paper trial are two big problems that should have been solved long ago.
Dr. Dean is a very bright, talented guy, but if he has head aches and fears now–he knows why.
I had to delete a post from my blog because of some virus that another blogger informed me had attached itself to a comment. I’m sort of virus-proof, Mac-wise, but I don’t want to infect anyone else.
Yep. Virus protection on the Mac is about good citizenship.
Um. Because he had two broken arms and a broken leg?
I have no patience with him - he voted with Dick Cheney and Jesse Helms against the MLK holiday, which is pretty much a life-defining decision - but I think as these things go, he behaved pretty well while being tortured (which, needless to say, makes his activities on allowing Bush to torture incoherent and evil, because he knows better).
Yes, the House Managers can and will strip immunity out of the Senate’s boondoogle…! 8-)
Is there a McCain-Bush version of the Brokeback Mountain photoshop gimmeck that was done for Bush and Cheney?
Leonard Pierce is quite a writer, don’t you think?
Oh man. This is gonna be tough.
So many pictures…
http://bushstole04.com/Editori.....age004.jpg
So many songs for McCandyCain snark videos…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aWj.....re=related
or
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8zKfd8BcM
and on it goes…
that photo needs the caption “I can see us in iWaq for a hundred years” or “I need to read a book on economics”
katymine - Avast antivirus is great for auto-updating and I haven’t had a lick of trouble. It’s also free.
404 error, ET!
Ouch… wish I could hit this link.
John Mcbush would say in his loud, peeved voice: We ARE winning.
-G
Yes.
Hells bells whats a couple broken legs to a hero like him
Yeah, that was my takeaway when they chose Alan Keyes to run against Obama.
You saw that Reid filed a bill that would extend PAA until 2/31/08 to allow for a workout between House and Senate this afternoon before happy hour?
Ya mean we’re not? *g*
That is what Rove and Bush said right before the 2006 elections….it is worth being even more wary of the voting “machines” prior to the 2008 elections though.
I am going to qualify myself here first before commenting… my parents are WWII Vets, sister & ex is Vietnam vets…. I was the only person in the family who did not serve but was a dependent wife x 12 yrs…
McCain was a POW…. he was not participating in the war, he was not guiding policy & war plans. He was sitting out the war as a POW. He did not return home during those 6 years and experience the change in the country like my cousins who served two tours in Vietnam. He did not see the changes the country experienced by seeing the war up front on our TeeVees.
McCain did not fly 4 years of medivac flights to the states like my uncle who saw the guys injured and broken by the war.
Yes he served our country but he did not experience it like those of my family.
Another 15 day extension? Hmmm… Didn’t Shrub threaten to veto the original 30 day extension…?
ET i tried to fix the link but could not figure out where it was supposed to go
sorry dood
I just figure the man’s life is so full of conspicuous indecencies that I can spot him the one brave thing - and letting someone else go home when you’re having your limbs systematically rebroken is a brave thing.
My patience for him fades once he got home.
Wait a minute there’s only 29 days, can’t be 2/31!
Had not thought of it that way. That’s very clear and concise thinking. Thanks
I understand what you’re saying - my family was in the service too, although not to the extent that yours was.
I truly don’t admire anything else about the man, and I don’t think he should be in the White House on the strength of it, but he seems to have handled that with some grace.
He hasn’t done anything I’ve admired since.
Noo….Alan Keyes just ‘happened to be African-American’.
-G
I’m just snarking him… I’ve never had a good thought for that man.. his true self seems to always show through. How could he dump his first wife after she stood by him during his time at Hanoi Hilton??
Yes…. but what has John McCain done since he returned from Vietnam?
That is how he should be judged…
OMG… Fred Thompson has endorsed McCain… local news story…
Gosh, was Alan Keyes african american?
That was a truly noisome race.
Of course we’re winning….that is why the US is launching raids on Iraqi dental schools.
-G
I know it is not talked about in polite circles, but mccain was tortured while a POW. He is reputed to be a hothead, has a nasty temper and has made questionable decisions/statements ever since being freed.
I wonder how much his being tortured has impacted his thought processes - and whether or not that should be looked into regarding his fitness to serve as president.
Oh, yeah, I absolutely agree. His record since has been abysmal.
I’m just wanting to spot him that one thing.
After all, it was forty years ago, and he never did anything brave again.
My bad it’s Feb. not leap year so 29 days–so I guess the count would be working days M-F–not sure about the exact day there.
I don’t know about a Bush threat on the last extension–I thought it was an agreement by the “leadership” rather than a bill that got an up or down vote–although the way the agreement might have started was by filing a bill.
The Bushies will try to resist any extension.
As you know, the House passed a version with immunity stripped out. I’m always skeptical of this Congress, so I don’t know what the actual bean counting or prosepcts would be in a Conference Committee. I hate Conference committees, because although many of the biggest bills get decided there, it’s secret–and we don’t find out who voted for what or what was traded or promised for the vote.
No kidding. Should I add Fred Thompson to my fake tough guy endorsement count?
No, I agree with you. McCain hasn’t done a whole lot I’ve respected since.
I’ll still spot him that one thing, preferably in private life.
Fixed it - we need one like that for McCain and Bush
Since Bush…. I have wondered if as Americans need to have a PSYCH profile of a candidate to identify issues. Something along the line of Justin Franks who wrote “Bush on the Couch” where he used CIA techniques to do a profile.
Pretty scary book, read it the summer of 2004…. spurred me to volunteer for the Kerry campaign.
OK - try THIS one!
That should be considered, he certainly does seem unhinged at times and his record is very questionable, I wonder he really made during the S&L scandal. He was let off the hook by his buddy Senators.
hahahahah 3rd times the charm, ET
In fairness, he was said to be kind of an entitled jerk before he went. He graduated near the bottom of his class from the naval academy, which for the son and grandson of an admiral is pretty sad performance.
I really do see an awful lot of GWB parallels. Maybe that’s why they don’t like each other.
I agree, but if the house chairs are opposed to immunity it does bode well for us… And let Shrub veto it… ;-)
Is leap year. Got it.
The one you posted at 106 says it all… Sometimes the best ones don’t need to be photo-shopped…! *g*
Tomorrows NYT
Democrats May Again Seek to Delay Eavesdropping Vote
snip
Keyes certainly ain’t no Marvin Gaye in the vocal department. More like Roseanne Barr:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eZgdkykWmyA
There’s a bunch of vids on YouTube of Obama debating Keyes. Obama does a pretty good job of handling the zaniness, and trying not to laugh at some points. Man, Alan’s kooky!
Julia great post and discussion… I just had to digg ti for you, as everyone else was tooo busy :>)
I don’t know how to read what is shaping up because I’m not sure who will represent the House or the Senate in these committees. I know who I’d pick for my starting teams to go into that conference.
I’m sure there will be an informed article soon from Glenn who was travelling from California to NYC this weekend on the prospects in conference.
As usual, Cboldt has detail on the bills–scroll all the way down to the bottom.
crap, thanks for that nahant (chagrined look on face)
What about breaking the law do they not understand?
What about the Rule of Law?
Just what about your oath of office do you not understand?
IOKIFYAR
that will be $00.25 please.
forking swear jar follows me all over the place
Oh, you aren’t kidding. Keyes was a total embarassment during that race, right from the point where they asked him to explain why he attacked Hillary the year before for running in New York when she wasn’t from there when he came flying in from Maryland to run against Obama.
Then he shanked his daughter and it wasn’t funny any more, but for a while it was a laugh riot.
thanks :)
I’ll 2nd that…and done went and dugg it.
MSNBC has dumbed misogyny down: it’s okay if it’s about Hillary, but not about her kid. Tucker’s talked about having to cross his legs whenever he hears Senator Clinton’s voice, and there’s Tweety’s constant man-cave wailing.
The Clintons have given up defending Hillary from the peacock’s crap, but going after Chelsea was, well, it was going after Chelsea.
Which brings me back to Senator McCain. How long is his Chelsea Clinton suspension? After his ten-years-ago offense? Which was, in case you’ve forgotten:
This is why I never felt so bad as many others did about what Rove did to McCain in SCarolina in 2000. Daughters were fair game, as of 1998.
The funny thing is that Alan Keys got 974 votes here in AZ…
But Teddy… that was McCain … who can do or say anything…. just like Bushhhhhhh
ding
Fricking Hoyer! I won’t argue with a separate bill handling immunity, but, there won’t be any lapse in FISA if nothing is passed… Aargh, it is infuriating when they can’t grasp the realities…!
Glad to of service to the writers at the Lake… they are the best!!
That clever Harry Reid!
nahant, what did the doc say?
McCandyCain still goes running to his mommy when people are mean to him. How old is John-boy? 74?
Bet his mommy never thought she’d have to change his diapers again. Guess it all Depends.
Mommy Dearest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....83173.html
Hah, We could only be so lucky…! ;-)
Keyes….batshit crazy and still campaigning after all these years.
-G
He’s like a bridge over trouble water. An I-35 bridge in Minnesota that is…
you must be listening to the adoptive mother ….
I was asked at DemocracyFest 2005 in Austin what I thought of McCain and I called him a traitor …. not to his country but to his family….. explained that I was a adoptive mother of two kids from Korea and NO ONE disses my kids… no one…. my kids are known not to tell me of incidents because they did not want to invoke the Mama Bear that came out to slay anyone who messed with my kids.
THAT is why I have no respect for McCain. When you adopt and bring children into your family, I felt a bond to those kids, even more so than my own bio kid.
I ended up just talking to a nurse and got some antibiotics so we shall see if this knocks the bug out of me. That steroid sure does make one hungry.. Two bowls of black beans and rice a couple of hours later I polished off all the left over pasta and sausage and just now two big pieces of pizza… I just all that makes it to bed time.. or I will be in the fridge again..:>)
The thing I hear non-political “civilians” say about McCain is
That’s a great bumper sticker, actually.
He had what is called a Mohs procedure which is radical excision of skin cancer that went from his temple to below his jaw. That is a major issue. Would need to do the google but thought it was melanoma…
Another great bumper sticker {h/t kiddo}
Practically unimaginable, I know — but it’ll get people thinking.
Oh dear.
I swear by acidophilus, for what it’s worth. It really helps get things back in order when you’ve been taking antibiotics.
*rubbing hands together gleefully*
i like it teddy - thanks okkiddo
Here ya go!
Note the TradMed love from the NYTimes in the lead (my bold):
Has he released all his medical records? Shouldn’t we start calling for them?
I’ve never understood that, and it kind of makes me wonder that his wife keeps making the point that it wasn’t his decision.
It’s a shame. She looks like a fine young woman.
Oooo…just saw this good news:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....alifornia/
The effort to revive the California electoral shenanigans by the Repubs failed miserably. An FDLer was involved in fighting this, so they must be happy today! YeeHaw!
Thanks Julia, But not until I am done with them… besides I normally don’t have problems with antibiotics, just as long as I eat good food,, no junk food I made every thing myself… not from a package or anything, oh yeah and lots and lots of water
bonkers, twas oldcoastie who was leading that strong defense
hip hip hurray
OMG… you should ask the Tricare (military insurance) if they think that Cindy is a “fine young woman”
How about bitch…. ?
Somebody could make a lot of money on the road-side selling little pink Bibles or jars labeled Pickles for Children, Not Bombs!
Laura Bush Plans Trip To Atkins (Atkins Arkansas, home of Atkins Pickles)
ATKINS - First lady Laura Bush plans a trip to Atkins next week to tour the tornado-ravaged community.
The first lady’s office announced her plans Friday night. Bush plans to visit Atkins on Tuesday afternoon.
Her schedule also includes a stop in Cecilia, Ky., another area struck by the tornadoes, which killed at least 59 people in five states.
President Bush on Friday toured hard-hit areas in Tennessee.
I meant their daughter. I feel badly for her.
Oh yes, that’s who! It really seems like this was triumph of grass/netroots action. I would suspect it would’ve sailed through under the radar without our pushback, just as Repubs have been able to do over and over again the last 20 years or so.
Cheers for OldCoastie!
young should have tipped me off - the mrs looks like she’s been to the skin tightener a few too many times - i think if she smiled her face would break.
Colby King proposes some ideas for McCain’s running mate: Lindsey Graham, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Huckabee.
I like the representation Lindsey would give my community, especially if Obama and Clinton teamed up on an all-het ticket.
Wow!
Yep. OC is an original, and a heroine.
I know what you mean - we don’t have processed food around, mostly (but the kid sometimes sneaks cup o’ noodles into the house. I would despair, but I used to trade my mom’s cheese on whole grain bread with mustard for my grade school friends’ fluffernutters…)
Hey Suz I meant to tell you I love the picture of token up on the digg site, Julie said he was cute :>)And I do like your profile LOL LOL falling on the floor 82 year old damsel ha ha ha
Oh I agree… my daughter was adopted 21 years ago from Korea ….. the fact that McCain DID NOT use his cozy position with the media to fight back from the trashing pretty much cooked me with McCain back in 2000.
He has no values… you do not let others defame your wife and child without a fight… ya just don’t.
One thing is for certain. FISA has to go to Conference Committee. They’ve set it up to slam dunk the Intelligence S. 2248 through in the Senate. As Glenn G. said ihis column yesterday:
I don’t know how many people from each body get on a conference committee or the dynamics of who gets picked. That’s a huge conference coming up. I’m sure I’m about to find out.
she doesn’t seem to be a particularly happy woman.
a lady never gives away her true age is what my mama always told me
double crap - that was in response to nahant
What’s your daughter doing now? (and good for you)
Damn straight. I’m keeping my true age. I’ve earned it ;)
yer showing your age :>) all of 82??
Well, having Laura there will definitely help the tornado victims. I just haven’t figured out how. WTF, why not send Babs so she can tell the American people how the tornado victims are really better off now.
my ortho doc told me my knee was aged 85 or more (before he removed it)
but he’s not OUT!
yea Sharks win in OT 2-1… pk sports report is over ..now back to the latest in politics from the best at the Lake
ASU grad 2006, she is manager of a Guess store right now… ya know it is a bad economy and she was promoted in her college job.
My babies from Korea are the greatest… felt I owed them a good start to life and made sure they got it. Her bio brother (yes I adopted siblings) is majoring in alternative energy…
and as the sun sinks gently over the horizon somewhere six hours behind here, we bid farewell to the late night thread because Her Majesty is marching in the New Year’s parade tomorrow and I can’t handle firecrackers without getting some sleep.
As ever, thanks for having me.
Props to her and him and you. It’s nice that there are good families out there.
g’nite julia - a pleasure having you here :)
I agree, if the House managers don’t agree to Immunity, they can force the issue by stripping it out or by forcing it to the House for a full vote on that issue… Or force the bill back to the Senate… A lot can be done in Conference Committee, the main thing, if the Senate includes Immunity is hold the House Dems feet to the fire, particularly since they have to answer to us in November…!
Good night, Julia, and thanks.
Aloha, Julia!
Good night ad as they say see you on the flip side… just don’t wait tooo long :>)
This is one of the sickest and most disturbing things I have seen in a while. America the good is dead and gone. What we have done, and are doing, in Iraq is not only no better than Sadaam Hussein, it is worse. Read this stunning article from Solomon Moore in Saturday’s NY Times and try not to cry for both Iraq and what is now the rotting festering shell of America:
But, hey, being the beacon of light, democracy, sanctity of life, truth, justice and accountability that we are under the
Pol PotBush Administration; we meted out fair and equal justice, because “As part of his sentence, Sergeant Hensley was demoted from staff sergeant”. Words jusFrom this thread’s front page:
[Emphasis added and three links omitted but available above.]
In the crafting of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, of which the McCain/Warner/Graham compromise was a part, the Bush administration attempted to hold the make their past and future outrages (e.g., waterboarding) unprosecutable by:
— limiting the jurisdiction of federal courts
— playing Humpty Dumpty games with the meainings of treaties.
I’ve spent some time trying to figure out to what extent they succeeded, but without success. Recently, I ran across a very helpful online document from The American Society of International Law: “The Military Commissions Act of 2006: “Examining the Relationship between the International Law of Armed Conflict and US Law.” I’ve not had time to study it in depth to determine how well BushCo succeeded in putting themselves beyond the reach of justice.