Comments on: Carl Levin: The Surge Failed http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:56:53 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1260726 tanbark Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:35:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1260726 <p>The gooper rats put a foot on the gangplank, and then they pull it back to see if the voters are getting REALLY pissed about Iraq. </p> <p>Maybe, but it has yet to hit firestorm proportions, and that’s what it will take, to get them to head down it, once and for all.</p> <p>That, and us nominating a candidate that isn’t a political lifeboat for them. :o)</p> The gooper rats put a foot on the gangplank, and then they pull it back to see if the voters are getting REALLY pissed about Iraq.

Maybe, but it has yet to hit firestorm proportions, and that’s what it will take, to get them to head down it, once and for all.

That, and us nominating a candidate that isn’t a political lifeboat for them. :o)

]]> By: siri http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1260063 siri Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:54:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1260063 <p>I’m late! Just got here. HAD to let out a huge “WHOOOOP!” over this one!<br /> SOMEBODY SAID IT OUT LOUD!<br /> Validating what’s been said in the Blogosphere for months and months, and also validating what WE SAID would be the result of the escalation in the very beginning!</p> <p>IIII Feeeeel GOOD! DADADADADADADA<br /> I KNEW THAT I (We) WOULD, NOW!!!!!!! DADADADADADADA</p> I’m late! Just got here. HAD to let out a huge “WHOOOOP!” over this one!
SOMEBODY SAID IT OUT LOUD!
Validating what’s been said in the Blogosphere for months and months, and also validating what WE SAID would be the result of the escalation in the very beginning!

IIII Feeeeel GOOD! DADADADADADADA
I KNEW THAT I (We) WOULD, NOW!!!!!!! DADADADADADADA

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259636 Maddy Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:49:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259636 <p>LS<br /> That is truly frightening.</p> <p>LS are you a musician? Just askin’-music is the best</p> LS
That is truly frightening.

LS are you a musician? Just askin’-music is the best

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259625 Maddy Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:46:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259625 <p>Two friedman units?</p> Two friedman units?

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259507 PetePierce Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:43:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259507 <p>And yet, every single Iraq appropriations vote, Warner will cave and vote with Bush as will most of the Democrats because they simply can’t and won’t find a way to get out of Iraq. Warner has voted the Cheney ticket on every single vote that has come up on Iraq and appropriations. The only thing that will ever stop Warner from doing that is his retirement this year.</p> <p>I’ll believe Iraq withdrawal from any of the Democratic candidates when I see it as promised during 2009. I’m willing to bet heavily it won’t happen. </p> <p>There is another huge appropriations as a supplemental budget/slush fund with no acountability set to roll October 2008. It’s business as usual–hemorrhage of lives and treasure.</p> And yet, every single Iraq appropriations vote, Warner will cave and vote with Bush as will most of the Democrats because they simply can’t and won’t find a way to get out of Iraq. Warner has voted the Cheney ticket on every single vote that has come up on Iraq and appropriations. The only thing that will ever stop Warner from doing that is his retirement this year.

I’ll believe Iraq withdrawal from any of the Democratic candidates when I see it as promised during 2009. I’m willing to bet heavily it won’t happen.

There is another huge appropriations as a supplemental budget/slush fund with no acountability set to roll October 2008. It’s business as usual–hemorrhage of lives and treasure.

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259390 merkwurdiglieber Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:27:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259390 <p>The surge was part of the McCain campaign from the outset, drag out the<br /> war, grind up some insurgents, but the political situation in Iraq is<br /> unchanged at best, meaning the surge failed except in the domestic US<br /> political market, where war is a romantic abstraction for the political<br /> class and their pundit enablers. Campaign should center on rebuilding<br /> this country and repairing a broken army, both of which will take time.</p> The surge was part of the McCain campaign from the outset, drag out the
war, grind up some insurgents, but the political situation in Iraq is
unchanged at best, meaning the surge failed except in the domestic US
political market, where war is a romantic abstraction for the political
class and their pundit enablers. Campaign should center on rebuilding
this country and repairing a broken army, both of which will take time.

]]> By: Jonathryn http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259389 Jonathryn Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:27:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259389 <p>Is this posting from a year ago?</p> Is this posting from a year ago?

]]> By: wasabi http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259388 wasabi Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:26:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259388 <p>Arwa Damon who has been doing a great job reporting from Iraq for CNN did a piece this morning on the situation in Basra. Women have been seriously targeted there since the British moved out. Shia fundamentalists have been killing females that go out in public with their hair showing or makeup on. The police there are infiltrated with militias and have not been able to exert any control over the killings. Several professional women were interviewed and they all appeared very concerned with the situation developing down there.</p> <p>I think this is one of the great tragedies of this war. Before 1991 Iraq was the mecca of the Middle East. Women had rights nearly on par with the men. Baghdad was a secular city and most women did not need to cover up. After Gulf War I Saddam had started to “get religion” and allow greater control by the sheiks over their members in a bargain for allegiance. It quickly became apparent that women’s rights began to suffer. Honor killings increased. </p> <p>With Gulf War II we have effectivly taken away any restraint on the part of the fundamentalists. Laura Bush used to crow about how the war in Afghanistan freed up the women there. I don’t see it and in Iraq we have effectively set the women back at least 50 years.</p> <p>And there are no solutions to this problem. A very big shame.</p> Arwa Damon who has been doing a great job reporting from Iraq for CNN did a piece this morning on the situation in Basra. Women have been seriously targeted there since the British moved out. Shia fundamentalists have been killing females that go out in public with their hair showing or makeup on. The police there are infiltrated with militias and have not been able to exert any control over the killings. Several professional women were interviewed and they all appeared very concerned with the situation developing down there.

I think this is one of the great tragedies of this war. Before 1991 Iraq was the mecca of the Middle East. Women had rights nearly on par with the men. Baghdad was a secular city and most women did not need to cover up. After Gulf War I Saddam had started to “get religion” and allow greater control by the sheiks over their members in a bargain for allegiance. It quickly became apparent that women’s rights began to suffer. Honor killings increased.

With Gulf War II we have effectivly taken away any restraint on the part of the fundamentalists. Laura Bush used to crow about how the war in Afghanistan freed up the women there. I don’t see it and in Iraq we have effectively set the women back at least 50 years.

And there are no solutions to this problem. A very big shame.

]]> By: LS http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259382 LS Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:20:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259382 <p>Wow…I thought Blackwater was bad…now after the Kos diary about Infragard, I found my local Infragard website…they are all over the country. Make sure to look at the crazy links these people are using….this is really scary, it is prep for martial law:</p> <p><a href="http://infragard-texas.us/links.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://infragard-texas.us/links.shtml</a></p> <p>This is a link they link to:</p> <p><a href="http://www.cicentre.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cicentre.com/</a></p> Wow…I thought Blackwater was bad…now after the Kos diary about Infragard, I found my local Infragard website…they are all over the country. Make sure to look at the crazy links these people are using….this is really scary, it is prep for martial law:

http://infragard-texas.us/links.shtml

This is a link they link to:

http://www.cicentre.com/

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259369 rwcole Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:11:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/carl-levin-the-surge-failed/#comment-1259369 <p>Levin’s right, of course, but that won’t get through to the public. They’re only thinking of casualties- and less is lots better than more.</p> Levin’s right, of course, but that won’t get through to the public. They’re only thinking of casualties- and less is lots better than more.

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