Attaturk!

Zed. You’re absolutely right, Attaturk. We are in very deep rouble here.

‘Mornin’ Biodun.

Zed.

Not…*g*

Morning…

I know..*g*

Attaturk! On fire this morning.

Gotta run. See al later.

Not only did we give them a training ground to go to pakistan and Afghanistan but that’s where they were in te first place. Now I’m far from a militray guy, but seems to me if we had just skipped Iraq and focused on ‘em in Afghanistand and Pakistan (shhhh. our guys aren’t supposed to go there)all along we’d be in better shape in terms of defeating the bad guys(if it’s possible to do so militarily.)

Gee, ya think?

my head was beginning to hurt with the last post. This post turned into a worthy of over the counter medication headache. nd it is a situation that no letter-writing can undo.

Meanwhile, if it is not OT, there are some pending affronts that can be affronted and assaulted with public opinion. Anything being organized about the Obambi-killer Maureen Dowd? About 60 minutes canceling their show on the Gov. Seigelman railroading (EWheeler has the address).

Off to the medecine cabinet. back latter.

If the Surge is working McCain then where is Ossama? I don’t care about Iraq at all where is Ossama? A Democratic President would never invade the WRONG FREAKIN COUNTRY John. Nor would we LIE about it to cover up our bosses mistakes.
By the way John nice work on approving all of Bush’s tax cuts. What after the Keating 5 Savings and Loan Scandal I thought you would run from any talk about money.
But here we are in 2008 with another Bush as President the Banks are in trouble this time not the S&Ls and John McCain is supporting more loser deals that got the banks in trouble in the first place.
If history is any guide if John thinks he has a good idea about money then run.
I wonder if Hilary has any tape of John criticizing Bill Clinton’s budget and policies like a lot of GOPers did back in the day saying that it would push the country into a recession.
Well under Bush the GOP had its day and look at what happened.

Good morning from L.A. Two excellent posts this a.m., attaturk, & thanks for the emergency donation info.

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Good Morning Attaturk,
Bush has kinda tornadoed all of Iraq

and that’s a good question, where’s Osama been hidin’?

The Taliban is not our enemy. They don’t want our country. We are just picking fights with them because they want to control a region WE WANT TO CONTROL. And we don’t live there… they do!

and that’s a good question, where’s Osama been hidin’?

I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that he’s in St. Louis.

Musharraf has been making deals with the tribal leaders in Wiristan, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda for quite sometime now…

I responded to your question about Paris in the last thread. I was enroute between workstations when you posed it…

Lest we forget: the parallel universe of Feb. 9, 2003.

I saw it,
nice! thanks B!

I mean, yeah. I think. But I dunno. I’m just not a military guy.

Thats it John hug the bastard who called your adopted kid a bastard! God you are so whipped any Father who does not defend his kid…let alone makes nice with the jerk should not be a parent much less president.

Success at what?

We are arming, training, and funding the Sunni insurgents (Awakening Councils). We are arming, training, and funding the mostly Shiite Iraqi military and police. In other words, we are increasing the lethality of both sides of a civil war. And, for what purpose? Are we patrons of the military arts who for amusement want to witness the bloodiest possible conflict?

Somehow, there has to be a better hypothesis. Hmmmmmm. I do recall Bush mentioning to his biographer Draper that he’d like to induce his successors to keep troops in Iraq. Perhaps, he reasons that by making the consequences of withdrawal as bloody as possible, he will force his successor to keep troops there longer for fear of the consequences of withdrawal. Ya think?

Very interesting.

These paragraphs, in particular, caught my eye:

The plan is in three stages: first, US-led military rule; second, a transitional phase with an American military governor ruling alongside a civilian leader appointed by (or at least acceptable to) the international community; and, finally, handover to a regime sympathetic to and nurtured by Washington.

[…]

The first phase, US-led military rule, would last between six and 18 months after the war. It would be policed by armies from the ‘coalition of the willing’, including a big British contingent.

The second phase is seen as being a kind of international civilian administration, backed by a diminished military presence. Here, the inspiration being worked on is the protectorate in Kosovo.

But if the Americans are hoping for a broad, UN-led international coalition to take on the task of running Iraq, the United Nations is dreading the role. Officials at UN headquarters speak about having to ‘clean up the mess ‘ at the end of a war which may not have been sanctioned by the Security Council.

‘In American logic, the UN seems to have an advisory role when it comes to making war, the easy part; but becomes essential when it comes to making peace, i.e. the difficult part,’ said one official.

[…]

The key unknown for the third stage is the state of Iraq after the war. A document prepared for the State Department predicts ‘disruption of law and order, the food distribution systems and emergency healthcare’. Fear would be ‘widespread,’ says the government report. So, experts say, would ’score-settling’. A secret UN memo, leaked to the press, forecasts ‘devastation’. Injuries and trauma could, says the report, ‘devastate’ the population, with up to 500,000 needing treatment. ‘The outbreak of disease, in epidemic if not pandemic proportions, is very likely.’

[…]

All Washington’s calculations depend on a quick war and an easy victory. ‘There’s an assumption that the Americans will be greeted as liberators, and very little consideration of the deep anti-American sentiment as the result of 10 years of poverty due to the sanctions’, one UN official said.

‘No decisive policy is without its risks,’ retorted a senior US official.

That worked out well, didn’t it.

We’ve got to rub these bastards noses in this.

Elliott (if you’re still about) -

Left you a note in epu-land downstairs.

thanks, I’ll go look for it

From Froomkin:

Walter Pincus writes in The Washington Post: “After the hearing, Hayden told reporters that the information obtained from those detainees amounted to a quarter of all the human intelligence the CIA gained about the terrorist organization between 2002 and 2006.

“‘We would not have done it if it were not that valuable,’ Hayden said.”

Mikey always seems to get his logic backwards:

1. We tortured these folks first.
2. Then got intel from them.

So, how did Mikey know before torturing them, that he’d get valuable intel?

He didn’t, he couldn’t, so it appears Mikey is lying, again!

All Washington’s calculations depend on a quick war and an easy victory. ‘There’s an assumption that the Americans will be greeted as liberators, and very little consideration of the deep anti-American sentiment as the result of 10 years of poverty due to the sanctions’, one UN official said.

‘No decisive policy is without its risks,’ retorted a senior US official.

God, I love plans whose success depends on miracles. Faith-based planning. What a riot!

The doublespeak that comes out of this government makes my head hurt.

There they go again: the hoped-for end justifies the means.

People will use the Bush Presidency Wars to illustrate to military students what happens if you don’t study hard and master Sun Tzu’s the Art of War.
They will study the generals who supported Bush’s war and hold them up as responsible for America’s defeat because they didn’t oppose his stupid plans.
General Shinski though will get credit for being right:)
And John McCain will get credit for being a solder who took orders from his boss in the field and in politics, but given his support of the war history will not remember him as a strategic thinker.

Elliott:

Check your Facebook in a few…

OT, but thought I would mention our little friend Sara Taylor showed up on Fox & Hacks this morning to discuss the horserace. Fox has certainly become a wasteland for former Bush adm “officials”.

People will use the Bush Presidency Wars to illustrate to military students what happens if you don’t study hard and master Sun Tzu’s the Art of War.

For example:

When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, […] you will exhaust your strength, and if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the state will not be equal to the strain. […] In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the distasterous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close.

[Sun Tzu, The Art of War, 400BC]

OT… lovely:

he vast expanse of debris – in effect the world’s largest rubbish dump – is held in place by swirling underwater currents. This drifting “soup” stretches from about 500 nautical miles off the Californian coast, across the northern Pacific, past Hawaii and almost as far as Japan.

Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch” or “trash vortex”, believes that about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region. Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Mr Moore founded, said yesterday: “The original idea that people had was that it was an island of plastic garbage that you could almost walk on. It is not quite like that. It is almost like a plastic soup. It is endless for an area that is maybe twice the size as continental United States.”

Great use of Logic! Still I think he just admitted to war crimes by the government?
Hayden has both a false logical premise and he admits guilt in the same sentence? Hmmm? when Karl was in the White House this would have never happened…except when Bush himself spoke.
Just who is running things now in the White House who if anyone is the new Karl?

Yeah look what debt financing of this war has done to the value of the dollar.

The Stimulus bill will do far more to protect this country from “terrorists” than the FISA bill could ever do.

The so called “war on terror” will continue and spread world wide until there is a revolution. As long as this country, and other countries with economies based on unrestrained capitalist greed continue to treat workers like slaves, allow the super rich to accrue masses amounts of wealth on the backs of the needy and global corporations are allowed to pollute our natural resources no amount of military might will keep industry and or the powerful safe.

How do the powerful and greedy think they can suppress the revolution that they call the “war on terror”? Super fast airplanes, massive bombs and prisons filled with tortured prisoners will not keep the people from rising up against the oppressors. With no unions to fight for the worker the workers will be forced to take up arms against the industrial empire. With corporate owned countries there will few politicians willing to fight for the rights of the citizenry, the citizens will be forced to take up arms and reclaim the countries for the people. With the courts stacked by friends of the industrial empire there will be no justice for the people and the people will take their justice as they can. The revolution is inevitable, it is ongoing now, it will grow, it will blossom in the garden of greed and unrestrained capitalism and the greedy that promote it will be destroyed.

The only way to stop the revolution is to redistribute the wealth not by listening to telephone calls.

It’s amazing. Now they are actually admitting that Bush authorized the waterboardings:

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The CIA director on Tuesday publicly named for the first time the three suspected al Qaeda detainees who were subjected to the harsh interrogation technique of waterboarding.

[…snip…]

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, who also testified at the hearing, said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA’s arsenal, according to The Associated Press. He said it would require the president’s consent and legal approval from the attorney general, the AP reported.

Not just the dollar, it is one of the bubbles along with debt financing by every person in the USA and especially CCards and mortgages which will see the end of America as an economic “power”. We lost.

That Sun Tzu quote alone explains most of why our economy is in the crapper.
Of course Greenspan should get credit and so should Laffer and Milton Friedman.

I think that sums up how things are going.

Those who credit Reagan with defeating the Soviet Union by forcing them to excessive military spending are now doing exactly the same thing to the United States. Go figger!

On topic:

Condi has some empty words as usual:

Filed at 8:22 a.m. ET

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Thursday the Afghan government must meet its responsibilities in fighting a resurgent Taliban as the United States and Britain lead an effort to boost the number of NATO combat forces.

In a show of unity, Rice was making the point as she and British Foreign Secretary David Miliband got a firsthand look at the front lines of the NATO-led fight against insurgents in Kandahar, visiting an alliance airfield in this former Taliban stronghold in southern Afghanistan.

”The Afghan government has responsibilities, too,” Rice told reporters ahead of her meeting with President Hamid Karzai. ”This is a two-way street, and I think everybody has to step back and concern ourselves with the Taliban.”

Don’t blame it all on the Chicago School evil as they are. They didn’t event monopoly capitalism and corporations which function only to accumulate profit and extract wealth from labor. These fellows just got the government to support rather than control corporate excess.

Why do we have to concern ourselves with the Taliban?

What I thought these guys were about protecting Bush! If they are willing to repeat what they just said under oath then Bush is guilty of war crimes.
Ends justify the means is not going to float as a legal defense. Especially when Bush still won’t go after Ossama. After all why torture people if you are just going to let Ossama live?

Bush and the petro-borgs have created one giant, bloody, zit, and it’s looking like they might be able to get out of town as it “pops”, on the demcrats watch.

The ecological effect of that has got to be enormous. And no one want to take responsibility for cleaning it up. It’s just going to swirl around out there forever.

They didn’t event monopoly capitalism and corporations which function only to accumulate profit and extract wealth from labor.

We’ve got to give Harvard Business School some credit for this Vince Lombardi school of management: “Maximizing return on investment isn’t everything; it’s the only thing — a CEO who settles for less than maximum ROI is shirking his fiduciary responsibility.”

The problem is that there is no prosector or judge who will take these cases on.

It’s as if we care, but those in the “judicial system” don’t.

The CFR (Center for Constitutional Rights) seems to be screaming into padded room and no one hears them and when they do, the courts tells them to go away.

What I thought these guys were about protecting Bush! If they are willing to repeat what they just said under oath then Bush is guilty of war crimes.

IIRC, this was testimony before congress, which I think is sworn.

The laws that matter are things like people smoking pot, or speeding, or parking illegally. We have huge apparatus to deal with THAT kind of law breaking.

But this administration and these ethically challenged government people don’t even consider the law when they act.

We need an accountability YEAR.

Could this be the thing that finally puts impeachment back on the table? It’s not too lat, in fact, it’s the absolutely perfect time to do it.

IIRC, a federal prosecutor has to prosecute for a trial to come before a federal court, and those guys report to guess whom. ;-)

Those Chicago guys thought that markets were rational and did not need rules. Markets are not rational, but markets ran by evil Bushies in a business climate with no rules is worse.
Milt should have foreseen that yes some market actors are self destructive and or evil. Conservatives when they think about money though are so hopeful and naive.
It is interesting that we Lefties are hopeful and maybe naive about people where the Conservative is not. But the Conservative feels that way about money and markets? I’m thinking somebody was not hugged enough as a child.

Which is why we need a Special Prosecutor.

I can hear Dana already: “Of course it’s a great success!”

Meanwhile….Taleban to reap £50 million from opium

I sure hope so. Here is made the war-crimes case as brief as I could.

ThingsComeUndone@47; actually, he can’t go after Osama. If he sends troops into Pakistan, with or without Musharraf’s permission, all hell will break loose. Either way, it could topple Musharraf, and right now, he’s one of the “foundation” cards in the Bushco “house”.

Some “stability”, huh? :o)

No, I think that bush has only this left: to keep strutting and smiling, and pretending that he’s on top of it all, as he frantically tries to keep the pin in the turd-grenade, until he can yank the pin, and hand it to the democrats in November.

Hey! Am I the only one thinking that we’re in such deep shit that the republicans are perfectly willing to lose this election and go oppo, as the dems try to deal with what they’ve created?

It’s like the old joke about winning a vacation lottery:

“First prize is a week in New York City. Second prize is TWO weeks.” :o)

The opium oved by CIA and military assets and sold to the west to make money for illegal weapons and fodder for the prison complex.

Drugs, like war is a racket and you know who is making out.

Then they have to impeach! If I walk into a police station and confess to a crime I get arrested right?
Congress is the Court where impeachment is decided if they were sworn in then the only thing left to do is get G.W up on the stand to respond to these allegations from his own government people.

CIA head Hayden sez the Taliban has been completely defeated in Afghanistan & is not longer present. Move along. Nothing there.

It’s amazing that people who insist that there has to be intelligent design behind the scenes in biology will simultaneously insist that the economy has to be a completely self-organizing system and that any intelligent input will screw it up.

Hey! Am I the only one thinking that we’re in such deep shit that the republicans are perfectly willing to lose this election and go oppo, as the dems try to deal with what they’ve created?

No, you’re not the only one. The Bride has been saying for months that the cons don’t want to win this election.

And I agree with her.

Exactly! And as I said downstairs:

It is complicitous of Congress to let this war criminal continue his reign of terror. Along with Bush, our congressmen now carry an ever increasing moral and legal burden for which they may some day have to pay the price.

Then you had to go and ruin it.

“First prize is a week in New York City. Second prize is TWO weeks.” :o)

It’s a good thing you put that little smiley face in there….grrrrr! ;>

Only the Ds want to win the 08 election. What does that tell you?

My ankle is much better today. I’m able to walk. Thanks much fo your upport last night…*g*

Osama bin Laden is safe so long as Bush is in office. The Bush family will do no harm to their cronies. It’s bad for their business.

” Hey! Am I the only one thinking that we’re in such deep shit that the republicans are perfectly willing to lose this election and go oppo, as the dems try to deal with what they’ve created? “
No the GOP plan might be to repeat the Carter Presidentcy with a bad economy lower dollar high oil prices etc. After all Cater raised taxes took the heat and for taking the heat the voters gave us Reagen.
If I were a GOPer I would be planning the same thing. Still Bill did better than Carter did on the economy.

Oh that’s great news.

Who is the enemy that we need our DOD for these days?

On NPR yesterday, some conservative was comparing the 2008 election to Goldwater’s defeat in ‘64 and Reagan’s primaries loss in ‘76. “It’ll be a good time to step back and retrench.”

Excellent!

Iran, of course.

Nixon to Ford to pardon to Carter. One term,stagflation,high interest rates, birth of the disloyal opposition(Rethugs and Rush conservatives)

I think there is a pattern here.

Do not forget that an attack on Iran is STILL on the table! Over at Alternet is an article about whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg:

Daniel Ellsberg, perhaps the country’s most famous whistleblower, fears that before the Bush administration leaves office, it will try to attack Iran.
Indeed, Ellsberg’s argument gained merit as George W. Bush increased his rhetoric against Iran when he delivered his final State of the Union Address. Bush accused Iran of training militia extremists in Iraq and emphasized the United States will confront its enemies.

Consider this with the recent “cave” (yeah, right) by Bush on the military status of forces agreement with Iraq. Recall that he was attempting to force us to stay in Iraq indefinitely by creating a non-treaty treaty with the Iraqi government with permanent bases in all but name. Now that plan is out the window but NOT because of Bush falling to Congressional pressure (there IS no Congressional pressure, only Congressional Fluffing). THE reason it is no longer on the table is the Iraqi government’s demand that it include a ban on the US attacking any of Iraq’s neighbors from within Iraq. Now, since the Iraqi government, as dysfunctional and worthless as it is, IS much more functional and powerful than the Democratic Congress, Bush had to throw out his plan for a forces agreement.

Consider that Firepups. THE reason that agreement fell through is because of the restriction it would have to include on preventing US forces from attacking any Iraqi neighbor (*cough!* Iran *cough!*). Thus, Bush DOES have a plan in the works, fitting with his insane STFU speech segment on how Iran is the greatest menace the universe has ever seen, to attack Iran. If he actually pulls it off, it will be timed try to screw up the outcome of the November election.

Eye on the ball people, eye on the ball.

Bye Folks got to sleep. Your the smartest morning talk ever:)

It’s good to know that Angelina Jolie is looking out for us in Baghdad.

Per the front page of this morning’s LA Times:

WASHINGTON — The White House said Wednesday that the widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding is legal and that President Bush could authorize the CIA to resume using the simulated-drowning method under extraordinary circumstances.

The surprise assertion from the Bush administration reopened a debate that many in Washington had considered closed. Two laws passed by Congress in recent years — as well as a Supreme Court ruling on the treatment of detainees — were widely interpreted to have banned the CIA’s use of the extreme interrogation method.

Let me emphasize yet again that under Common Article 3, whether it’s torture or not:

CRUEL TREATMENT OF DETAINEES IS A WAR CRIME.

And, war crimes are federal crimes per the War Crimes Act of 1996.

Has Romney gone home yet?

If impeachment does not go back on the table over the spring and summer we need to work to turn the the frame from “impeachment” to “war crimes prosecution” during the fall.

War crimes prosecution looks like a slam dunk, and war crimes are certainly a “high crimes,” and are thus impeachable offenses.

Has Romney gone home yet?

not yet, but I hear tell it may be soon

I hope he doesn’t have his dog with him.

I will provide my analysis of this for your consideration:

First, start with the objective fact that whatever Bush wants, Congress gives him.

Telecom immunity. Though it has absolutely NOTHING to do with FISA or any other valid surveillance program, it is the showstopper that garners a veto threat if not included. Why? Because it gives Bush and all his minions legal protection. It buries their crimes until some future date when it is too late to do anything. Congress will ultimately give it to him. Get out of jail free legislation.

Torture. Waterboarding was and remains torture. Unequivocally. The Bushies, however, have been chumming the water with claims that it is “unclear” or is in a “grey area”. Now, Bush see’s the way telecom immunity IS going to go and from there see’s the way out of torture convictions: force Congress to pass a law that makes waterboarding specifically illegal. Ta-da! Another get out of jail free card!

He and his minions can “reasonably” claim in the aftermath of such legislation what they have claimed all along, that waterboarding was in a grey area and it was unclear whether it was torture or not - Congress had to pass a law making it illegal to clear up the “confusion”. It obviously couldn’t be illegal until Congress passed a law making it illegal so…GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD!

All thanks to Reid and Pelosi.

This is a shrewd move on Bush’s part to force Congress to yet again avoid holding him or anyone else in his Administration responsible for very real crimes. Congress under Reid and Pelosi do nothing but avoid doing ANYTHING that would force legal action. So-called investigations are allowed, consciously, to languish and die. Subpoenas are either put off the table indefinitely or those that already exist are not served. Think about that. Why is this the case? TO AVOID HAVING TO DO THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES! They are fully complicit by their failing to act in every single case!

Hey! Am I the only one thinking that we’re in such deep shit that the republicans are perfectly willing to lose this election and go oppo, as the dems try to deal with what they’ve created?

Spot on!

Hey! Am I the only one thinking that we’re in such deep shit that the republicans are perfectly willing to lose this election and go oppo, as the dems try to deal with what they’ve created?

I agree but how can they possibly lose with McBane and huckthe fu**? They needed the ghoul

Sangemon; nothin’ against the big apple. I could have said Myrtle Beach (which is the heartclog-plaque and kitsch-capital of the East Coast. :o) )

And what’s so crazy is that the democrats, by their quiescence, seem to be perfectly willing to get stuck paying the political child support for the little monstrosity-baby of Iraq, etc., after bush has knocked up Rosemary.

The question remains, did they have options?

I think they did, and to start with, there were 21 democratic Senators who exercised that option, when they refused to vote to authorize the invasion. (What say we put those names in a hat and draw one? :o) )

After that, with our troops essentially trapped in Iraq, it would get politically painful to yank on the funding chain. But of course, it’s like genital lesions; they tend to get worse if you ignore them.

And now, there are only 8 months to lay the blame for this squarely on Bush’s head.

I’ve sure God gone off on Hillary on here, and that isn’t likely to change, but give her this:

More than a year ago, she said words to the effect of:

“We expect President Bush to have this resolved before he leaves office and dumps it in his successor’s lap.”

For me, that was the high point of her campaign. If she’d manned THOSE guns continuosly, I could forgive her a lot of the bushCo glute-massages she’s given them.

Now, it’s too late, and the twin Smilodons of curtailing the Kurdish drive for independence, with it’s implications of a Turkish response, and even more important, the huge increase in Iranian power and influence in the mid-east, are about out of the bag. And the only way to stop them, is to keep one hell of a lot of our military stationed in or around Iraq.

It’s fair to ask; should they be “stopped”? What kind of deal could be struck with the Turks to get them to recognize a Kurdish State? And who, finally, gets control of Kirkuk and those big fields in the north?

We know one thing: When bush sent that first Abrams across the Kuwait border, he crossed one FUCK of a dry-bed Rubicon.

Nomolos@88; the entire loon-crusade is like an insanity pebble—make that a boulder—dropped into the world pond. The ripples are soaking everything and everyone.

I completely agree. BushCo tried to get a pass on war crimes via the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It is very complicated and my study of it is very incomplete and IANAL, but from what I can see they did not succeed.

BERKELEY — While anti-war protesters chained themselves outside a U.S. Marines recruiting center here, a spokesman said Corps does not plan to abandon the office even though the City Council has officially rolled up the welcome mat.

The Berkeley City Council voted Tuesday to tell the Marines that if its recruiters choose to stay in their rented downtown space “they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests.”

Gunnery Sgt. Pauline Franklin said Friday that while the Corps respects city officials’ right to free speech, the Marines would not be leaving.

Conservative bloggers and Republican Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, lashed out at Berkeley following Tuesday’s resolution. DeMint said he would draft legislation to strip the city of federal money, including funds destined for UC Berkeley, for school lunches in the Berkeley Unified School District and public safety.

“The First Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money,” DeMint said in a statement.

Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates said he would speak with the Marines’ landlord to see if the recruiters could break their lease early without penalty.

A retired Army captain, Bates also said Friday that he wants the council to amend its resolution because it “did not adequately differentiate our respect and support for those serving in the armed forces and our opposition to the Iraq war policy.”

Berkeley police arrested three of the protesters who chained themselves together and blocked people trying to enter the recruiting station. They were cited for misdemeanors and released.
Copyright 2008 by KTVU.com. The Associated Press contributed

Right. And Nancy’s gonna step right up and do that. First thing.

Jeeze Raven I thought what the hell is this from 1972?

But impeachment is off the table!

tell you what;

pelosi needs to be impeached and charged right along side bush

this man has admitted to war crimes and claims the right to commit them again and again

she is an accomplice since she knowingly allows these crimes to take place

Good morning Attaturk, pups!

Under the doctrine of command responsibility, members of congress might be incurring legal liability under international law for tolerating Bush’s infractions. Per the Wikipedia:

The first international treaty to comprehensively codify the doctrine of command responsibility was the Additional Protocol I (“AP I”) of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949.[4][6][7] Article 86(2) states that:

the fact that a breach of the Conventions or of this Protocol was committed by a subordinate does not absolve his superiors from …responsibility … if they knew, or had information which should have enabled them to conclude in the circumstances at the time, that he was committing or about to commit such a breach and if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent or repress the breach.

Someone should point this out to Nancy.

let’s be clear here;

the president has admitted to torture in at least three occasions to at least three people

and he reserves the right to do it some more

it is a crime to NOT prosecute

the fact that a breach of the Conventions or of this Protocol was committed by a subordinate does not absolve his superiors from …responsibility … if they knew, or had information which should have enabled them to conclude in the circumstances at the time, that he was committing or about to commit such a breach and if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent or repress the breach.

not only to nancy, but to every single member of both houses

these are now criminalsof the same order of those who committed torture and watched others commit torute in nazi germany

what have we become?

Correction: The president has admitted to “waterboarding,” which the White House insist is not torture when the U.S. does it.

as far as john mccain;

let me tell everyone here, I was proud of john during the 9/11 hearings, it really looked to me like he was not afraid to hold the administration to account, i remember specifically when he forced condi to tell us the president knew we were about to be attacked, it was a beutiful thing to behold

what happened to that man?

they cannot insist on defining a crime, it’s torture, we prosecuted people for war crimes who committed it

if he wants to claim it’s not torture he needs to do that before a court

an international court would be best I might add, no roberts or alito, that is a conflict of interest

check this out from the link posted up top;

“Al Qaeda is improving the last key aspect of its ability to attack the U.S. — the identification, training and positioning of operatives for an attack in the homeland,” said Michael McConnell, director of national intelligence, which oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.

Intelligence officials also said they used a controversial interrogation tactic known as “waterboarding,” which some people regard as torture, only on three senior al Qaeda members early in the war on terror and that it has not been used in five years.

you see that?

inteligence gathered through water boarding

now how valuable is that?

not at