Comments on: Clinton, Cash and the Fox F*%kup http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:30:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1259049 mui1 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:55:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1259049 <p>I don’t see Obama having a problem appearing on Fox. Especially in these clips where he’s yakkin it up on with Fox and Friends on the preznit’s “committment” to following through on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Z1HXCqIMk" rel="nofollow">AIDs </a> and then on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBaAOEaERE" rel="nofollow">the surge</a>. Message seems all nicely tailored to a Faux friends audience.</p> I don’t see Obama having a problem appearing on Fox. Especially in these clips where he’s yakkin it up on with Fox and Friends on the preznit’s “committment” to following through on AIDs and then on the surge. Message seems all nicely tailored to a Faux friends audience.

]]> By: CognitiveDissonance http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258779 CognitiveDissonance Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:37:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258779 <p>In this election cycle, amazingly Fox has not been anywhere near as bad as MSNBC/NBC. Big Tent Democrat over at Talk Left is now calling them the Obama Network. And it isn’t just the messianic Obama message, it’s the 24 hour a day ranting of the Clinton hate. So I have to ask: why wouldn’t Hillary prefer even Fox to more of that crap? Why should MSNBC/NBC continue to be rewarded and Fox be punished? Yes, we all know what Fox is. But when they are actually less biased than another network that is getting a lot of the debates, I can’t see any reason to continue to punish them. Perhaps a better idea is to do all debates on PBS and don’t reward any of them.</p> In this election cycle, amazingly Fox has not been anywhere near as bad as MSNBC/NBC. Big Tent Democrat over at Talk Left is now calling them the Obama Network. And it isn’t just the messianic Obama message, it’s the 24 hour a day ranting of the Clinton hate. So I have to ask: why wouldn’t Hillary prefer even Fox to more of that crap? Why should MSNBC/NBC continue to be rewarded and Fox be punished? Yes, we all know what Fox is. But when they are actually less biased than another network that is getting a lot of the debates, I can’t see any reason to continue to punish them. Perhaps a better idea is to do all debates on PBS and don’t reward any of them.

]]> By: wobblybits http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258452 wobblybits Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:33:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258452 <p>i was addressing another post that stated the KO was unfair to Hillary. I responded that he rightly clowned her because she was down in Florida giving a victory speech like it had been a contest where all candidates had been able to campaign. It was a totally just criticism</p> i was addressing another post that stated the KO was unfair to Hillary. I responded that he rightly clowned her because she was down in Florida giving a victory speech like it had been a contest where all candidates had been able to campaign. It was a totally just criticism

]]> By: JoeBuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258213 JoeBuck Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:29:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258213 <p>kmdata: Democrats can win without taking a single Southern state, other than Florida which isn’t culturally Southern except in the far north.</p> <p>Even so, either Clinton or Obama has a shot at some of the border states. Not Alabama.</p> kmdata: Democrats can win without taking a single Southern state, other than Florida which isn’t culturally Southern except in the far north.

Even so, either Clinton or Obama has a shot at some of the border states. Not Alabama.

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258058 tanbark Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:33:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258058 <p>“Colossally stupid”</p> <p>One of your most perceptive posts, Jane. </p> <p>Politically, she and her staff just don’t understand what’s happening. </p> <p>Not. A. Clue. </p> <p>She shouldn’t give Fox the time of day. Not only because they are the people who’ve savaged she and her family for practically every minute of the 11-plus years they’ve been in existence, but because it gives Obama the opportunity to define her as being that much closer to the republicans. </p> <p>Which he WILL do. :o)</p> “Colossally stupid”

One of your most perceptive posts, Jane.

Politically, she and her staff just don’t understand what’s happening.

Not. A. Clue.

She shouldn’t give Fox the time of day. Not only because they are the people who’ve savaged she and her family for practically every minute of the 11-plus years they’ve been in existence, but because it gives Obama the opportunity to define her as being that much closer to the republicans.

Which he WILL do. :o)

]]> By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258011 SueN Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:19:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1258011 <p>“millions of Obama supporters WILL NOT support her should she become the nominee”</p> <p>Oh, OK. Your implicit threat convinced me to see the error of my ways. Kumbaya.</p> <p>“She will not win the Presidency without full Democratic support. Your continued support for Clinton is actually a vote for McCain. Sorry…..these are just the facts!”</p> <p>Actually, she appears to be leading when it comes to traditional democrats (excluding, of course, the AA vote, understandably). Obama’s strength is with independents and new (youthful) voters. And the number of votes that she got in the big populous states overwhelm anything the McCain received in the same states. But facts are facts. Can’t argue with them.</p> “millions of Obama supporters WILL NOT support her should she become the nominee”

Oh, OK. Your implicit threat convinced me to see the error of my ways. Kumbaya.

“She will not win the Presidency without full Democratic support. Your continued support for Clinton is actually a vote for McCain. Sorry…..these are just the facts!”

Actually, she appears to be leading when it comes to traditional democrats (excluding, of course, the AA vote, understandably). Obama’s strength is with independents and new (youthful) voters. And the number of votes that she got in the big populous states overwhelm anything the McCain received in the same states. But facts are facts. Can’t argue with them.

]]> By: gregjones http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257977 gregjones Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:08:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257977 <p>ATTENTION HILLARY SUPPORTERS ! SPECIAL NOTICE: </p> <p>Due to the under-handed tactics and inner-party polarization of Hillary Clinton, millions of Obama supporters WILL NOT support her should she become the nominee. This, in part, is due to the fact that many feel that she is already trying to cheat her way to the nomination by claiming victory in Michigan and Florida. Hillary Clinton has totally alienated even her own party members. This is sad….but true. She will not win the Presidency without full Democratic support. Your continued support for Clinton is actually a vote for McCain. Sorry…..these are just the facts! The really sad thing is….we used to like the Clintons ! </p> <p>One new slick Clinton tactic is the request for weekly debates. The Clintons know that when Obama spends time in a state….they get to know him and he does well. So if they can disrupt his campaign schedule they’d feel successful. And if he refuses….they’ll act like he’s in hiding from the debates. THE TRICKS NEVER END !!!!!! BUT IT’S ALL IN VAIN…..she’ll never win the presidency without Dem support…..WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p> ATTENTION HILLARY SUPPORTERS ! SPECIAL NOTICE:

Due to the under-handed tactics and inner-party polarization of Hillary Clinton, millions of Obama supporters WILL NOT support her should she become the nominee. This, in part, is due to the fact that many feel that she is already trying to cheat her way to the nomination by claiming victory in Michigan and Florida. Hillary Clinton has totally alienated even her own party members. This is sad….but true. She will not win the Presidency without full Democratic support. Your continued support for Clinton is actually a vote for McCain. Sorry…..these are just the facts! The really sad thing is….we used to like the Clintons !

One new slick Clinton tactic is the request for weekly debates. The Clintons know that when Obama spends time in a state….they get to know him and he does well. So if they can disrupt his campaign schedule they’d feel successful. And if he refuses….they’ll act like he’s in hiding from the debates. THE TRICKS NEVER END !!!!!! BUT IT’S ALL IN VAIN…..she’ll never win the presidency without Dem support…..WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: SueN http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257932 SueN Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:48:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257932 <p>Digby has a wonderful commentary, High School Psychodrama, on MSNBC’s biased coverage during Super Tuesday. <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/</a></p> Digby has a wonderful commentary, High School Psychodrama, on MSNBC’s biased coverage during Super Tuesday. http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

]]> By: ChrisO http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257923 ChrisO Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:44:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257923 <p>I read exactly what you wrote. I’m criticizing Matthews, and you’re saying what he did was perfectly appropriate, but you’re not “defending” him? By stating exactly why I thought the coverage of Florida should have been more balanced, and making the case that the Clinton campaign running an event on election night was perfectly appropriate, I responded directly to your statement that her presence was “asinine.” You may not agree with my points, but I feel to see how you interpret this as not responding to you.</p> I read exactly what you wrote. I’m criticizing Matthews, and you’re saying what he did was perfectly appropriate, but you’re not “defending” him? By stating exactly why I thought the coverage of Florida should have been more balanced, and making the case that the Clinton campaign running an event on election night was perfectly appropriate, I responded directly to your statement that her presence was “asinine.” You may not agree with my points, but I feel to see how you interpret this as not responding to you.

]]> By: lily15 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257918 lily15 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:42:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/clinton-cash-and-the-fox-fkup/#comment-1257918 <p>Is that the whine you’ll use when Obama is compared to McCain the true war hero? You’ll get no sympathy when complaining how unfair it is to compare your candidate’s character with that of the real war hero, John McCain. It looks ridiculous to sound like a cry baby when you lose…and the reason is immaterial. It does not matter where Obama began or that he lost by 10 points instead of 15. Or that he had momentum 3 days ago but on voting day, she surged…are you suggesting it was unfair that the election wasn’t delayed a few days to give him a better chanced? No one loses by that much who has broad popular support. Excuses don’t cut it.</p> Is that the whine you’ll use when Obama is compared to McCain the true war hero? You’ll get no sympathy when complaining how unfair it is to compare your candidate’s character with that of the real war hero, John McCain. It looks ridiculous to sound like a cry baby when you lose…and the reason is immaterial. It does not matter where Obama began or that he lost by 10 points instead of 15. Or that he had momentum 3 days ago but on voting day, she surged…are you suggesting it was unfair that the election wasn’t delayed a few days to give him a better chanced? No one loses by that much who has broad popular support. Excuses don’t cut it.

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