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	<title>Comments on: Border Crossings Start in the Boardroom</title>
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		<title>By: IntelVet</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257645</link>
		<dc:creator>IntelVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For reading about this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Take this job and ship it” by Senator Dorgan&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For reading about this:</p>
<p>“Take this job and ship it” by Senator Dorgan</p>
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		<title>By: Alecia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257633</link>
		<dc:creator>Alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be nice to know how the Clintons would fix&lt;br /&gt;
this horrible trade policy and outsourcing of American jobs&lt;br /&gt;
as well..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to know how the Clintons would fix<br />
this horrible trade policy and outsourcing of American jobs<br />
as well..</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257575</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m an economist and followed the sorry the sorry history. And am not a particular fan of either Clinton. But the story is more complicated than a a nasty conspiracy from the top. I think attempting to prevent future disasters like NAFTA by using flawed conspriacy theories about how the world works will fail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m an economist and followed the sorry the sorry history. And am not a particular fan of either Clinton. But the story is more complicated than a a nasty conspiracy from the top. I think attempting to prevent future disasters like NAFTA by using flawed conspriacy theories about how the world works will fail.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257565</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;p.s. commenting does not work in Firefox.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like your version is too old…&lt;br /&gt;
Clear Private Data and reload page, perhaps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>p.s. commenting does not work in Firefox.</p>
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<p>Sounds like your version is too old…<br />
Clear Private Data and reload page, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: shmooth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257563</link>
		<dc:creator>shmooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The problem starts with trade deals negotiated without consideration of the impact on workers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know all the facts, here, but I suspect NAFTA was negotiated with very careful/thoughtful consideration of its likely impact on wages/workers. In fact, I suspect that decimating work conditions and wages, and eventually the workers, was at least one of the objectives, if not &lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt; primary objective of NAFTA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think there’s any reason to give these people (Bill Clinton) the benefit of the doubt - they know what they’re doing. It’s time we stop saying, “Oh - they were trying so hard for a good result, but unfortunately, these side effects just kinda popped up - but the planners really &lt;em&gt;intended well&lt;/em&gt;.” No - in fact, they did not ‘intend well’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s. commenting does not work in Firefox.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.p.s. i wish i could just ‘comment’ on the article instead of replying to someone else’s comment, which might not be what i want to do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The problem starts with trade deals negotiated without consideration of the impact on workers.</p>
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<p>I don’t know all the facts, here, but I suspect NAFTA was negotiated with very careful/thoughtful consideration of its likely impact on wages/workers. In fact, I suspect that decimating work conditions and wages, and eventually the workers, was at least one of the objectives, if not <em>the</em> primary objective of NAFTA.</p>
<p>I don’t think there’s any reason to give these people (Bill Clinton) the benefit of the doubt &#8211; they know what they’re doing. It’s time we stop saying, “Oh &#8211; they were trying so hard for a good result, but unfortunately, these side effects just kinda popped up &#8211; but the planners really <em>intended well</em>.” No &#8211; in fact, they did not ‘intend well’.</p>
<p>p.s. commenting does not work in Firefox.</p>
<p>p.p.s. i wish i could just ‘comment’ on the article instead of replying to someone else’s comment, which might not be what i want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257559</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fantastic post, bringing attention to a very important but usually overlooked aspect to the US undocumented worker problem. NAFTA and CAFTA are NOT mostly about trade in real goods, or measures that might help small to medium size business people and farmers and workers in Mexico and South America. To some extent they are, but those potentially useful true free trade measures are swamped by international crony capitalist investment insurance and subsidies, and experiments in new corporate friendly intellectual property regimes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On top of that, US has been very creative in maintaining discriminatroy agricultural trade barriers and Mexico ignored provisions to assist ordinary working people, farmers and business people in adapting to new trade and international finance regime. In fact, I think case can be made that Mexico implemented the provisions in a way that would maximize the damage to workers, small-medium size farmers and small business people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recent rise in agricultural prices due to increased agricultural commodity demand from Asia and US bio-energy subsidies as given some small farms in Mexico a lifeline. However, the effects of NAFTA have a lot to do with recent increase in undocumented workers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember all those poor Mexican workers, farmers and small businesspeople NAFTA was supposed to help? Remember how opponents of NAFTA were demonized as being elitist do-gooders who were actually working to harm these lower income populations? Well, OK, lemme tell you -NAFTA went through and these vulnerable populations cynically used by NAFTA proponents to sell their schemes got crushed. And many came north because they needed to feed their families. Remember that for next time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, bringing attention to a very important but usually overlooked aspect to the US undocumented worker problem. NAFTA and CAFTA are NOT mostly about trade in real goods, or measures that might help small to medium size business people and farmers and workers in Mexico and South America. To some extent they are, but those potentially useful true free trade measures are swamped by international crony capitalist investment insurance and subsidies, and experiments in new corporate friendly intellectual property regimes.</p>
<p>On top of that, US has been very creative in maintaining discriminatroy agricultural trade barriers and Mexico ignored provisions to assist ordinary working people, farmers and business people in adapting to new trade and international finance regime. In fact, I think case can be made that Mexico implemented the provisions in a way that would maximize the damage to workers, small-medium size farmers and small business people.</p>
<p>Recent rise in agricultural prices due to increased agricultural commodity demand from Asia and US bio-energy subsidies as given some small farms in Mexico a lifeline. However, the effects of NAFTA have a lot to do with recent increase in undocumented workers.</p>
<p>Remember all those poor Mexican workers, farmers and small businesspeople NAFTA was supposed to help? Remember how opponents of NAFTA were demonized as being elitist do-gooders who were actually working to harm these lower income populations? Well, OK, lemme tell you -NAFTA went through and these vulnerable populations cynically used by NAFTA proponents to sell their schemes got crushed. And many came north because they needed to feed their families. Remember that for next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257517</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy has a new post upstairs ready and waiting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy has a new post upstairs ready and waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257507</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CEOs of Death, Destruction, and Mayhem&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEOs of Death, Destruction, and Mayhem</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257502</link>
		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops, you have a misspelled word, which I rarely see from you.&lt;br /&gt;
Did the good docs give you something special for the pain?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, you have a misspelled word, which I rarely see from you.<br />
Did the good docs give you something special for the pain?</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/border-crossings-start-in-the-boardroom/#comment-1257498</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My ex-wife’s mother is Chilean, we have had many conversations over the years, as we have remained friends, her family is very well educated, her brother was a professor at the University in Santiago. Her beautiful accent always captures me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex-wife’s mother is Chilean, we have had many conversations over the years, as we have remained friends, her family is very well educated, her brother was a professor at the University in Santiago. Her beautiful accent always captures me.</p>
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