After 22 primaries and caucuses last night, Senators Clinton and Obama are dead even. While final allocations of won delegates remain uncertain, neither candidate has a commanding lead, so the contest will continue with the next primary states having a significant say in the decision of who will be our next President.
Last night, Hillary Clinton won eight contests — Arizona, Arkansas, Calilfornia, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Okahoma and Tennessee. Her victories in California, Massachusets and New Jersey were impressive, staving off Obama’s surges in the last two weeks.
Obama was equally impressive, and he can claim some serious momentum, coming from behind to win contests in the remaining 13 states (except still undecided New Mexico), including a close victory in Missouri (so close a recount is legally permissible) and a surprise win in Connecticut. After the contests in January, it was not clear that the Obama surge would continue or stall, but it appeared to resume in the last two weeks.
Here’s the New York Times summary of last night’s results, and more from the Washington Post.
Just as Clinton did well with women voters (double digit margins), Obama continued to do extremely well with African Americans, winning about 80 percent in several states and providing large margins on victory in some states. But the news may be how well Obama did with white voters — above 40 percent in several states.
The large Latino vote turned out to be critical to Clinton’s victories in Arizona and especially California, where MSNBC exit polls indicate she got 65 percent to Obama’s 34 percent. With much of California’s Hispanic leadership endorsing Clinton early on, it would have been surprising if she hadn’t done that well. She had earned that over many years. At the same time, Obama did apparently well enough to make it very close in New Mexico, where over 35 percent of the voters are Latino.
The committed delegate count is still being sorted out; the allocation will depend on complex rules in each state and what happened at the district level. This morning’s AP tally has Clinton at 845 and Obama at 765; CNN has it 825 to 732 this a.m., so there are dozens of districts where the local allocation is still uncertain.
The contest will continue — on to Pennsylvania, Maryland, Texas — and the voters will continue to sort this out. Some in the blogosphere fear a drawn out process and a convention brokered by the "super delegates," but I think we’re doing just fine. It’s February, not July. More of the country will have it’s voice heard. It’s becoming a national decision. The country has never been this careful, never spent this much time or been more focused. More than ever before, we’re going to know the next President before we elect them, and that’s a good thing. And get this: Last night, according to CNN, about 18 million Americans participated in selecting the next President: 11 million voted for Democrats.
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I voted in Massachusetts and although I made a choice (for none of the reasons pundits usually give), I left still undecided — not regretting, just undecided — even though I’ve never been nearly as informed about the candidates’ positions and histories. We have two strong candidates, different people, different styles; they have different strengths, weaknesses and vulnerabilities; but both have something positive to offer the country.
Hillary spoke last night of the hard work ahead, not just in winning in November but also governing and getting Democratic programs adopted. She’s right and it’s important to hear that message; we face enormous obstacles — a horrendous legacy from Bush, an obstructionist party in determined opposition, a history of frightened leadership in Congress. No matter who is President, we’re going to need a lot more and better Democrats in Congress just to start climbing out of the hole Bush and the Republicans put us in, let alone to pass any decent agenda for the country.
But this election will not be about despair; it’s about Obama’s hope and Clinton’s determination: "We are the ones we’ve been waiting for," Obama said. "Our time has come." He was talking about all of us, and he’s right.



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Nice post bro!
Good morning Scarecrow.
Morning Scarecrow.
If it were up to us to save the country I’d feel OK. But it isn’t. I like Hillary’s determination but I hate the people in her inner circle and don’t trust a one of them. Obama’s message of hope is nice but Kumbaya isn’t going to work with the rethugs in congress. He’s not shown any kind of real leadership other than inspiring speeches.
That’s my dilemma.
Good Morning Scarecrow,
thank you, that’s quite a round-up you’ve provided, I’m going to need more hot chocolate.
Good morning Scarecrow.
clinton information= I have experience of being a woman
obama information =I am black and I want change.
Not so much on the issues.
At least they can’t use the campaign as an excuse not to show up and vote on FISA and the PAA.
or will they anyway?
Good morning, Scarecrow. Good piece, as usual. Next Tuesday will be my turn for the primaries. I still intend to vote for Edwards. Many of our friends are saying the same thing.
Excuse me, Rev, but you are the one we’ve beeen waiting for. We’ve been very careful not to decide this before it got to Pennsylvania, and now’s your chance. So quit grumping. We’re counting on you to help sort this out.
Good morning Deb.
Good morning everyone.
This might be the best political week I’ve had in over 18 months.
Starting with last Thursday’s announcement of CT House Speaker Jim “I will crush any idiot” Amann announcing for governor (with “Crush Amann” protesters outside”), then the McCain rally on Sunday with Chris Shays planting a wet one on Lieberman, then the rockin’ Obama rally on Monday in Hartford, followed by Super Tuesday. I ran through 5 mini-DV tapes at the various events.
It’s been a political junky’s DREAM week!
Good for you. As of now Edwards holds enough delegates to be kingmaker and the more delegates he gets the stronger his position.
misplaced faith.
Good morning from L.A. Vote tally for John Edwards in CA per CNN- 163,578 votes, 4% of total, one of them mine.
What’s your state? From the state surveys, looks like Edwards was getting from 1% – 6 % in some states. Not usually enough to have turned the results one way or another, so it looks like the Edwards supporters have pretty much decided between the remaining two.
I literally did not know what I was going to do until the instant I did it.
Buenos Dias Amigos! I waiting for the sun torise but gotta a cup of hot chocolate so am good.
MD
as of now my plan is to write in Edwards.
Coalition for peace action will be doing voter guides in Penna.
Please read my comment in last thread, 63? This here’s for all the marbles.
Morning, Bob. Send us your best video when ready.
It astounds me that there are folks who can’t make up their minds. One candidate has experiance and accomplishments out the wazzoo along with almost two decades track record of dealing with all the lies and false smears the wingnuts and MSM can make up and try to spread. The other has pretty good oratorical skills if you like a televangilists delivery, ZIP experiance or accomplishments, VAST ethical and probably legal problems looming on the horizion and a side by side tape documantable problem with telling the truth. Tough choice huh.
hey thanks!
obviously not for you, eh not?
baloney
Sure, but I’m gonna take a day or so to recover. I’ve already got four videos on my blog from this week. I’d like to compile the best bits into a short vid for laughs.
accomplishments out the wazzoo
like what?
And your voting for who?
Sounds like it’s a good thing your preferred candidate is still in the running. We’re saved.
I believe both candidates have websites where they clearly state their positions on the issues. If you are uninformed on their positions, do not blame them.
This is unsurprising, I think, especially for those voters who get their information from the MSM and don’t care to delve deeply into the candidate’s stated positions. But, I’ve promised myself that I’m going to make this primary vote on principle. I don’t have strong druthers between Hillary and Barrack. Come November I’m expecting not to be able to vote on principle.
Actually I agree that Hillary has more experience in the Senate but I personally disagree with her foreign policy votes. Hillary also has very high negatives which could hurt her chances in November.
Bollixed healthcare. Working as a corporate lawyer. Voting for war. Supporting NAFTA. o mention a few.
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”
That is one hell of a concept, and Obama has got him some fine writers. That is a line worthy of the Kennedy Brothers. Or perhaps closer to the mark, FDR. This is why I favor Obama. He will clearly use the office to motivate and inspire citizens to their better natures.
I wish Obama and Clinton would announce that they would run as a ticket with the American people choosing the top. Now would be a perfect time since they’re basically tied.
Surprising win for Hillary with the all the free coverage that Senator Obama has gotten. Especially in light of the fact that Oprah and the Kennedy’s had named him the baby jesus. No mention of that fact though anywhere. Also, its not important that Obama didn’t win Kennedy’s state of Mass. People must remember that we didn’t do so bad financially under the Clinton presidency. Thank goodness because there was nobody to remind them that we had a surplus under the Clintons. I did notice that Senator Obama won the big RED states. Yoy know, the ones that go Republican in the General Election.
Reminds me of “We Are the People Our Parents Warned Us About!” shake it up baby.
Hot chocolate sounds like a really good idea. Back in a few.
AZ — have you seen a breakdown of Latino votes in Arizona? Percentage of total? Records? Split between Dems/Repubs and between obama/clinton?
I am pleased with the results. I just dont want to see our country go back. Bush,Clinton,Bush……Clinton? Just not American.
I think Obama may surprise all of us . He can get the best and brightest around him. Im excited.
Yes it’s a tough choice.
The one with all the experience also has the union busting Mark Penn running her campaign, Rahmbo the corpo loving principle selling congresscritter calling the house shots for her, various surrogates spouting out dog whistle racial jargon.
The other one, as you said has problems too.
i actually don’t agree, I think if Obama gets the nomination, he wouldn’t ask her, she wouldn’t accept, and she shouldn’t accept. If she’s not the nominee she has a strong career ahead of her in the Senate, in Senate Leadership. And personally, if she’s not the nominee she brings waaAAay too much baggage to the ticket.
specially in light of the fact that Oprah and the Kennedy’s had named him the baby jesus.
What a crock, wtf is someone supposed to do when they endorse someone, diss em?
Goddamn. 45 dead in the tornadoes so far.
Viva La Insiders!
What do we want?!? Entrenchment! When do we want it?!?! Now!!!
No accomplishments, huh? He and Michelle got himself into this position all on their own. No money. No connections. Very unusual upbringing around the globe. This is the kind of “experience” and “qualification” that works for me. An American Dream story for the history books.
For years, I’ve been wanting someone who doesN’T “know how Warshington works.” You do. To each their own…
I finally ended up last night pulling the lever (however accurate, “pencilling in the Scantron” is so much less poetic) for Obama, in Massachusetts.
In anything like normal times, I’d have voted for Clinton. I think she’s a policy technician and would very accurately find the local optimum.
But when I look out over our economy and our country, the structual problems seem severe–the sorts of problems that John Edwards was pushing our polity to talk about. When sober and informed former cabinet secretaries are willing to even whisper the “D” word, painful times are ahead. In such difficulties, you must cast a wide net in the search for solutions. I sometimes think of Clinton like Wolfgang Pauli’s quote, that “When I was young, I could be clever and creative, but now, ach, I know too much.” Non-disinterested opposition to fixing things will be strong. I simply don’t think Hillary has it in her to rouse the rabble enough to really shake out the most serious problems. I’m not sure Obama can generate the popular will to overcome that opposition, but I think he’s a better shot at that than Clinton.
In a way, I’m buying the hype. But when it comes to rousing the populace to action, hype will actually matter.
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FWIW, around my parts (Cambridge, MA) at least, it looked to the eye as if Obama had a massively better ground game than Hillary, with sign-waving supporters at every little polling place. But it seems kos is right–the endorsements you really want are from machine mayors, who can deliver patronage votes even if it’s a less flashy way to go about it. Boston’s mayor Menino was for Hillary, and perhaps that was no small part of her victory.
My bold. That, to me, is her biggest problem The damn machine. DLC. Corporate power.
By the way could you have a Guinness for me at the Plough or Cellar today?
We seem to have a retarded Sec of State office(She’s Republican). The only thing I can find is the prez results with no breakdowns by groups. Haven’t found the House reults neither.
Pumpkin Head “the only people that can unite the pubs behind McCain are Bill and Hillary Clinton”.
” Last night, according to CNN, about 18 million Americans participated in selecting the next President: 11 million voted for Democrats.”
Hmmm? 18-11=7 million for the GOP, 11-7=4 Dem total minus GOP total is 4 million, The remainder of 4 million – GOP total is 3 million which is less than 1/2 the GOP total of 7 million 7-4=3
I think we had better than a 50% turnout than the GOP did on Super Tuesday.
Maybe I’m atypical, but I find this off-putting. If I weren’t already committed to the candidate, it would probably make it less likely they’d get my vote.
Horrific what this morning reveals. From Google News:
Deadly Tornadoes Sweep Southern U.S.
Aren’t Obama and Hillary going to spend too much money now fighting this to the end, and not have enough to deal with McCain in November?
That about sums up the way I feel about this election. Man I wish Edwards was still in this thing. I will obviously support whoever wins this primary but right now I’m leaning Clinton if only for the fact that she can handle the Repubs and their press machine.
I’ve heard the line, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” or some variation before, including from RevDeb. I’ve heard her say it to her congregations.
While I doubt this is going to stay out the headlines forever, Bush put his budget out there with almost no fanfare or attention considering what a catastrophe it is – not just because it would mean spending so much, but because it basically says that for all the money we’ve already spent, we have nothing to show for it.
Don’t worry we are leading the GOP in cash. Every Primary we have gets free network publicity because people are interested in the issues this time.
Its better to have Hilary and Obama debate each other than to give the GOP nominne any publicity.
Now if we could only get them to talk about the issues more.
I voted in Nashville, and it was a great feeling. We had all of the original dems on our ballot, and just reading the list of our candidates was a pleasure. We don’t see the r ballot on our touchscreen, but I was mentally comparing our real human beings to the plastic people and warbots on the other side.
My daughter talked me into voting for Obama, but I still wanted to vote for HRC. Obama can solve one of the three big problems we have, the total lack of confidence in our vision, which the current crowd of law-breakers and thugs has inflicted on us. HRC can fix the broken government inflicted on us by the same crowd. Vision seems more important to me and there you are: a rationale.
You have indeed, many times.
Now you didn’t expect originality did you.
Oops. sent too soon Hopi
GeorgeSimian@53 Don’t worry I’m on it! from the last thread
Bush’s budget is a tax increase in three ways first after all if the Federal government cuts spending the states have to raise taxes or cut the program. This passing the buck needs to be called out.
Second if the population increases then we need more money for schools, police, roads etc. Freezing or cutting spending means that the states have to raise taxes or cut programs because the increase in population means increased costs.
Third the dollar is dropping in value that makes the price of everything go up in relation to the drop in the dollar. Police need uniforms, Schools need desks, Firemen need ladders and roads need tar. Freezing or cutting the budget forces cutbacks or higher taxes from the states.
I think this cheap trick is one of Karl’s surprises for November he and Bush are creating higher taxes and the GOP wants that as an issue in November.
We need to make noise on this issue and place the blame straight on every GOPer who supports his budget.
Yeah, but McCain is going to be able to stop campaigning and start fundraising, while Clinton and Obama are going to be broke by May. This was part of the problem with the Democrats in 2004, albeit they were against Bush who didn’t have to run a primary. But remember what Rove said? The Democrats will have spent all their money and Bush will have more money than God. McCain will have the military industrial complex solidly behind him, and that’s a lot of money.
Well, I still believe we have two good candidates and the first real opportunity in years to take over the White House and both houses of Congress. Heaven knows we need it to start repairing the damage, if it can be repaired. Most skills I know of, you work from the general to the specific, from the broad to the detailed. I agree with getting better Democrats, but first we need Democrats. So, I would like to see the canditates show their skills eviscerating Republicans, rather than each other.
I’ve been writing letters to the editor to no avail on this budget. It’s killing me that the military spends more than every other country in the world combined and yet our army is bogged down with old equipment and poor recruitment. And if we needed to fight a war with just one more country, it’s doubtful we could handle it. Something needs to be done about this boondoggle.
All the more reason for Hillary to drop out now.
Haven’t seen this reported at in BigMedia. She finally released her fundraising numbers for Jan, and we can see why they held onto them for as Wolfson said, “the appropriate time.”
In Jan, since they actually started going head-to-head in Iowa on Jan 3, Obama brought in $32 million. Clinton brought in $13 million during that same time. Unbelievable. His biggest day was the day after NH. Obama is shattering records for the amount of individual donors in primary season across the country.
Sure seems like “the people” are speaking. Clinton held on to some big states yesterday where one of her campaign managers, Terry McAuliffe had spent years and years building political machines as chair of the DNC, and literally ignoring and eliminating Dem offices in most of the states Obama has won so far. Suggests to me they’re calling out a lot of favors from Establishment Insiders in these big states. It’s all the Clintons got.
As John Edwards would say, Hillary is standing in “history’s path.” If she was really concerned about the “will of the people,” she’d step aside IMHO (of course she won’t, because it’s all about keeping power).
Re the Bush budget, I think Froomkin did a masterful job showing the media’s contempt. e.g.:
This morning’s editorial pages tell the story well. The Washington Post editorial board writes: “Seven long years ago, . . . George W. Bush grappled with the supposed challenge of dealing with a projected surplus of $5.6 trillion over the next decade. The president proposed to pay down the debt by $2 trillion during that time, which, he said, was as much as could be responsibly redeemed. . . .
Don’t be too sure. He’s been a thorn in the side of Lockheed Martin – a huge part of that complex – on a number of issues. Boeing, too, to a lesser degree. I don’t think they’ll be too keen on McCain.
tornado sirens were going off here in Indianapolis last night too. Nothing major ended up developing, just some high wind damage – no casualties, thank heavens.
Tornadoes are some scary effing things. They’ve scared me silly since the day in ‘74 when I stood outside my high school and watched one coming right down U.S. Hgwy 40 at me, before it veered off at the last minute and totally leveled a little down about 3 or 4 miles away.
(Most) hurricanes end up being property-damaging inconveniences – tornadoes kill people. All best wishes for those to the south of me.
McCain’s latest strategy is getting all the Rightwing haters like Coulter and Limbaugh to hate him, so he can position himself as a centrist. I don’t believe any of it. I think Limbaugh loves McCain. And anyway, it’s a moot point because, who is Limbaugh going to support: McCain or Clinton? Give me a break.
If McCain is their nominee, Ann Coulter will back Hillary.
Heh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc
I think Obama and Clinton both realize that the more they venture into hard policies the less the public is interested. Not the “informed” public, but the vast amrican beer drinking mortgage paying, everyday person.
The electorate are not wonks and don’t care about how their lives will be better, they just want to believe that someone will make it better.
So it’s all down to image and illusion in these national campaigns.
If they do issue detailed positions they get slammed by the MSM or some segment of it and it reads as “bad press”.
Obama chose the meme “we” and “yes WE can” and Hill chose “experience”.
My sense is that the Obama approach is more “reganesque” in that it captures the hope of a better america and Hill’s is more… “I know how to make the system more just and work for a better USA”.
Neither are true progressives, but a dem sweep might push the congress a bit to the left and get rid of some of the hard right obstructionists regardless of which of the two wins.
The R’s are breaking apart and that is a very positive development for the body politic. They have been caught on the BS and are spouting nothing more than “patriotism is US”. People are hurting economically and have seen into the Iraqi “myth”.
Unfortunately we have an uninformed electorate and it is THEY who have to be “sold”. You don’t do it with wonky positions.
I can’t remember where I read it, but I remember that McCain sold out to Bush/Cheney on the torture bill so that he could get the military endorsement. Right around the time his numbers tanked.
Wonder what the title of coulter’s next book would be.
Great post, Scarecrow!
And good morning firedogs.
TPM had a study up this week analyzing BigMedia press coverage of the race. CrazyTrain absolutely dominated the time. He might of had more than the percentage than Obama/Clinton together, if memory serves correctly.
Perhaps it was the cat fight in the Repube race, and it’ll die down now, but I’m not so sure that’ll happen, since we know all too well the Conglomerate Press exists in present form to advance BigMoney-approved storylines onto the electorate.
What we’re looking at is a real mess, no matter who the next president is. I’m thinking the Beck/Coulter/Limbaugh types are doing two things. Thinking the American people will blame democrats for the mess because they are in charge, and that they can take credit for a democratic win. Just to show how smart and influential they are.
I hear tell she’ll be on Larry King tonight, so will Michael Moore.
This is the first time in decades that we have more cash than the GOP in a Primary. The military industrial complex can figure out that 70% is more than twice 30% so if they give to the GOP they risk losing contracts to companies that gave to Dems.
After all people are paying attention to the issues, people are pissed at the GOP and unless the GOP can win in Iraq and lower gas prices before November I don’t think they can change anyones mind even if they do outspend us 3 to 1 in comercials.
Also after today every Africa American who can give will give cause Obama really does have a chance.
My one friend pointed out that it’s unlikely either would pick the other. She argued that Clinton or Obama would need a southern white male for their VP slot. I understand where she’s coming from.
Will Moore announce that if Clinton is the nominee, he’ll vote for McCain? :)
glad to see you’re OK, jayt – I was just thinking about you…
Oh, wow, talk about the odd couple!
Does Hilary have campaign debt?
LOL!!
It worked in the caucus states — Obama did significantly better than Clinton in those states, even in ones where pre-election polling had Hillary ahead.
It’s the ground game, baby.
Ohhh. Inquiring minds want to know.
Makes sense to me. On the other hand, I think a Clinton/Obama ticket would work rather well and be hard to beat. To recycle an old saw, it seems to me these two must hang together or they’ll hang separately and we’ll end up with President McCain, which is a scary thought (and God knows who he’ll pick as vice president. Given his age, that’s a real concern….)
Yup. He bested her in fundraising last month by nearly 3 to 1, and if that trend holds up he’s set for the general as well.
Last night, at my MN caucus — the same caucus that attracted 650+ attendees in the record attendance year of 2004, rendering the state Dem party orgasmic — last night, attendance in our district was 3,077. It was chaotic, wild and absolutely wonderful.
It’ll be huckleberry hound
Hooray for the turnout! Folks who vote in primaries tend to come back to the general election and bring along others. For the first time in years, Texas will actually get to vote before every thing is declared. Hooray!
If Clinton and Obama can maintain civility, wonkiness, humor, and help for down ticket Dems, this could put the Republicans in a hole so deep that either of them could work well with the Congress. More and better Dems.
Yupper. We almost never outvote the GOP in primaries or special elections. This bodes well for November.
Your opinion means so much to me. LOL!
thanks – fine here – spent a lot of time staring out the window last night, lookin’ for trouble, which might have made sense it it hadn’t been, you know – *dark*. *g*
Glad it was only a high wind situation up near you, jayt.
Drove very close to a tornado in the panhandle of OK a long time ago, which was enough to move fear of tornadoes to the top of my list. Used to be forest fires, from living through a bad one up in NW Maine as a kid.
Relief funds will no doubt be set up soon for the victims. I’ll look around & post any links I find that IMO check out as legit…
I doubt it since she had such an advantage to begin with (she kept a lot…10 million I believe…from her NY Senate run…how ya like that NYers?), and she was doing fine leading up to Jan. If it continues at that Jan rate however, I’d bet she could start having money problems in the next couple of months. We’ll see if yesterday changes much.
Amazing numbers; encouraging.
PW, really enjoyed your reporting from the Raucus Causus last night! thanks
So with the focus on the election,will the fact that they admitted torture and that the Pres signed off on it, wont that be enough for impeachment? Does he have to do it himself?
I voted for Obama, but sense several ‘republicans’ in our midst who voted for Obama. One was retire military, and he liked McCain alot. But, claimed anyway, that the country needed a new direction. I believe at this point that republicans are crossing over to vote Obama believing that in a general election, in the privacy of election booths, the nasty racist feelings will come forth and drown him. Heard several people mention they were afraid of Obama. No reason given…
No matter which candidate emerges, winning in November will be difficult, no matter the dem genertic advantage. I hope someone, anyone, can find a fetter forcast than that. I voted, liked our candidates generally, but am more fearful than ever this morning.
So where are things now? Does it boil down to a race of popular vote against delegate count?
Senator Clinton can’t go back to the well unlike Senator Obama who continues to reap new donors and new money every day. That’s why Senator Clinton’s advisors want to debate every week, publicity that they can’t afford to pay for now. I’m excited that more of the country will be able to have a stake in our next president. It’s far from over. In fact, it’s really just beginning.
If the media won’t talk about the budget then we can talk about it here and in every other blog we post comments on until the MSM pays attention.
There is you and me here plus our friends and I’m sure other people on the Net are going to make noise on this too. We can and have gotten media attention on issues before when we tried.
However its the Spineless Center Dems that I worry about they don’t think anything is a good idea unless a lobbyist slips them some cash.
That’s always been conventional wisdom but I’mnot sure it’s true this year. I don’t think the Democrats stand a chance to win the deep south other than Florida and, perhaps Tennessee. So why try. On the other hand, the west and parts of the midwest may be waking up to the desperate shape the country is in. Increasingly, it seems to me that a ticket composed of the two current candidates has a very good chance.
I was disappointed with the results yesterday from the two really strong Blue America candidates, Laesch and Pera. I thought they’d do better, so gives me some pause about where a lot of the electorate is at. Of course this was just Illinois though…
Maybe we’ll be able to focus our energy and money on some of the other Blue Americans now at least, provided nothing changes in a recount.
I’m terrified of another Clinton Presidency.
I can give you a long list of reasons why.
Did you see why Obama won Conn? Because of the Lamont people. It is over on Kos. They know that Lie-bermann and Hill are buds.
Yeah, that would be WAY worse than another gooper administration.
Forgot to add this GrandmaJ at 97:
Bad weather headed for this part of TN. We are tucked up against the mountains so are probably safe.
idk, another gooper admin could really enable a FDR type candidate.
stay safe snowbird -and everypup in the path of the storms.
Can someone explain to me how Obama is going to unify the country? Is he going to agree with the Rs that tax cuts for the wealthy are a good thing? Is he going to appoint “originalist” Supremes? Is he going to support construction of a Wall? Is he going to support the “surge?” In other words, unless he agrees with some part of the program on the other side of the aisle, he can’t reach across it, and his rhetoric is empty.
Scarecrow, caw, caw! Great post as usual.
First of all, Jerome Armstrong really sucks at political prediction! Second, so far I’m batting zero; every candidate I finally chose after much deliberation ends up falling by the wayside. Even Obama didn’t succeed in dislodging Hillary in AZ, though our Dem Governor endorsed him. Maybe I should just not chose because it seems to be a curse on every one of my choices. Third, NBC has the delegate totals within ten points between Hillary and Obama. Really close race! Fourth, I still don’t trust Rethug tactics. I know that more Dems voted, but I personally know at least two people with Dem voter IDs, but if you walk into their home, their TV is always on Fox and if you discuss politics with them, they always spout Rethug talking points. I would not put it past Rethugs to deliberately vote in Dem primaries to choose the person easiest to beat. No getting cocky, this is not over! I will not be able to accept another Rethug administration in the WH. Period! That means, we need an overwhelming win!
Obama, for represents a grass roots challenge to back room party politics.
That challenge seems to be doing quite well.
One candidate also rallies the oppositions base more than “Gay Marriage” and IslamoFascism. Hmmmmm, I wonder who that is?
Good morning Scarecrow, pups!
Unify is empty rhetoric I think. I suppose he means to energize people from every state to get involved more in politics.
Who would want to get repugs on board? I want to banish them to the Caymens forever.
It would be my guess that most people of FDL know pretty much what there is to know about HRC and BHO and have given a lot of thought to the election. Personally, I enjoy the discussion, but any thing which causes me to jump dramatically to one side would have to be some verified new discovery or act by the candidate, not a stark statement of someone’s opinions and grudges. Frankly, the strong statements for and against either of the two candidates is somewhat insulting and off-putting. But that’s just me.
Uh, no doubt up in #92. Need more java.
Culled from my bookmarked list- volunteermatch.org for disaster relief volunteer opportunities:
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Good morning. Are you all moved in down on the farm?
The larger the race, the less substance you will see in the discussion.
In other words, unless he agrees with some part of the program on the other side of the aisle, he can’t reach across it, and his rhetoric is empty.
I’m with Obama – I wanna reach across the aisle too – just not for the same reasons. *g*
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Bob, didn’t know Shays laid a wet one on Lieberman. Glad it happened – might prove useful down the road. You CTers are sooo creative.
I think he is using the Jedi mind trick to sway those dis-illusioned with the extremism of the GOP. :-)
If elected President Obama will use his oratory skills to reach the American public. I envision that President Obama won’t have to reach across the aisle because the Republicans will.
“Moved in” being a relative term where I have wifi but no furniture except a bed. But yes. Everyone here has been very kind. I imagine it will all feel less strange and weird as the days go on. My car might come today, the moving van in another week and a half.
If I’m banishing them, they aren’t going to the Cayman’s that’s for sure
egr, morning. Is your body clock reset yet? I’m going to miss you at the crack of dawn.
I’m not that cruel. As long as they leave out country they can burn their butts in the hot sun til they pass out.
This sure feels like the crack of dawn, 6.30 here.
Raven thanks for the hug :)
ah, Feng Shui
Is that what that means???? :)
He kissed Lieberman too? He did it to Bush at the SOTU.
Me too. Problem is I am almost as afraid of an Obama presidency. And surviving the presidential election after heartbreak in 2000 and 2004 might be too much for my elderly mind and spirit. All that mudslinging…
The ONLY reason to me to vote for Clinton is because I know she and Bill will fight dirty to win. And it might just take that kind of politics to win.
Did I mention I was grumpy? Sorry.
You mean is Obama going to be the Most Spineless Dem of All if he seeks compromise with the nocomprimise Bushie GOP? That is a worry.
But forget the 30%ers the country is already united 70% is a majority, 70% is more than twice 30%. Not only that but the race has just started I’m sure we can up these numbers if our people go further LEFT.
Whomever is our nominee this time very well might get vote totals that could rival Reagen or FDR. With a mandate like that and the real political capital that comes with it well only a fool compromises when they have no real opposition.
Hopefully Obama is not a fool.
Obviously not.
But what a Clinton II Presidency will do is lull the rank and file Democrats into complacency, since they think things are fine with a “Democrat” in the WH, which is what Bill did.
Then, they sell us out to the BigMoney interests. Happened throughout the 90s. Do you think the Party gained strength through the 90s up to Howard Dean’s leadership? Of course not, it was literally being dimantled by a current Clinton campaign manager, Terry McAuliffe, in favor of getting big money. Terry made no bones about this plan.
Through all this time, I came to the belief that the DLCers intentionally infiltrated the Party to destroy it from within. They throw Liberals enough bones to keep enough satisfied and voting them in, but all the while selling out America, and making sure no social upheaval like the 50s and 60s happens again. This last year of Dem “leadership” has proven this for me.
So yea, a Clinton II Presidency scares me. Not as much as a CrazyTrain, but I do think the DemocratIC Party would be set back for years again.
What gives me hope if that we have the blogosphere this time around, but not sure how much sway we have yet, and the numbers have seemed to plateau somewhat, unfortunately.
rarely do people fall toward the shot, cept on tv
Grumpy is okay. RevDeb has the grumpy caucus over in the chapel.
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Senate Armed Services Committee on CSPAN 1
bonkers at 106, yeah I was surprised by the comment. But I do believe that they (the republicans) are actually preferring Obama because he is untried nationally and can easily smear him without a response — him wanting to reach across the aisle and all and be friendly. one can swing a politcal knife with a smile plastered on one’s face. Obama needs to practice.
Well, the Senate and Congress is on C-Span….
Well okay, no, but you knew what I meant. What are the chances that the Rebpulicans will ever reach out a hand to us in the near future?
How many times will Hillary mention Florida and Michigan this week?
Just heard from Howie, who says the vote in New Mexico still being recounted; only 120 vote difference.
I’m torn between thinking that Clinton is such an easy, favorite target of the Right with 15 years of hate built up against her that she’ll never win and thinking that the people who hate her are sick of the lies, don’t want to hear about Whitewater again and maybe she’ll win over some of those haters. It’s hard to imagine. People who hate the Clintons don’t really have a reason, they’ve just been sipping the same kool-aid that the Right has been feeding everybody for the past decade and a half. After a while, it has an effect on almost everybody.
To bad they don’t count and Hilary better not try to change the rules.
lol, right, nothing to do with policy what so ever.
I agree Repubs unlikely to be helpful in Congress, and rightwing talk shows will be vicious, as always. What the next Dem needs is a greater willingness of more Dems in Congress to defy the Republicans. If the Prez can rally the public, that can help.
The next president will be a dem and will win very handily.
That president will inherit a crash economy and a pair of failed wars.
That president will have to take some radical moves to save the nation.
That president will have the opportunity to move to the left because the right’s approach brought us to where we will be on Jan 09.
The key thing for “the people” is to vote in HUGE numbers and provide an overwhelming victory that cannot be stolen.
Once in power the accountability moment for the last administration and all the stealing will begin.
One can hope.
Maybe “If I Had Any Brains, I’d Be Dangerous.”
Actually, one of the reasons I don’t want to relive “Clinton II” is that “Clinton I”, while accomplishing many positive things as President, managed, through his (and her actions), to basically destroy the Democratic party at the state level for at least 8 years.
fixed
I was kiddin
Heard the local rightie radio host (Boortz) talking about Clinton yesterday. He was asking if the MSM was going to bring up her “perjury” and “covering up for a rapist” in the general election – “If they don’t, I sure will.” This is what we have to look foreward to if Clinton is the nominee. Frankly, I don’t want to live through another 8 years of that crap.
some republican –tom coburn — on MSNBC says what Rush Limb needs to do is take a breath. I thought that’s what mouth breathers did.
TPM has a collection polling graphs, and it really is quite stunning to see the gains of Obama in the last month. Some look like straight lines up while Hillary stays about the same. Has he maxed out? I sure don’t think so. I think people are just beginning to get the message and they’re obviously liking it. Putting Obama and CrazyTrain side by side, it’s almost laughable. I think Obama would dominate.
The old tricks aren’t working anymore for the Repubs. There are new rules be written right before our eyes. Rush, Coulter, Hewitt and fellow slimeballs came out hard for Mittens The Tax Whisperer, yet he went down in flames.
We need to stop being worried and afraid, just as Obama says. Forward Liberal Soldier!
That is truly amazing. My daughter lives in Santa Fe and does not have nor watch any television (although she does watch TV shows on DVD). She was calling us all night asking about NM and we could tell her nothing.
That’s pretty edgy.
I absolutely agree. But to base your whole Presidency on it not so much. If the gentleman wins the Primary, I’ll be there 100% working for him before and AFTER the win. I’ll even keep my snarky remarks to myself. Well, I’ll try.
The next administration and congress has to roll back corporate consolidation, has to break up media monopolies, has to change the entire mindset of how laws are passed, get lobbyist completely out of the halls of congress, end privatization and reverse it by nationalizing energy companies.
We will need a real paradigm shift, not this nibbling around at the nonsense that we have.
2009 is the accountability moment. The people have to DEMAND IT.
I definitely need to caucus with the “Grumpy Caucus”. I have several grumpy resolutions to submit.
Actually the best discussion of the night last night was about resolutions. We ended up doing 7 — they were about Geneva Treaty, Kyoto, presidents obeying the law, corporate and copyright rights, seriously abandoning or at least ‘fixing’ the Patriot Act as it intereferes with constitutional rights, using war as a absolute-fricking last resort, and talking to all nations, even those we don’t like.
Oh sweet Jeebus it’s gonna be McCain.
Ah, what a wonderful fantasy. Won’t it be great if all of that really happens
I think Hillary should go to the name she used before hubby went national:
Hillary Rodham Clinton
I know, and I don’t take anything personally here. Unless you call me a Republican.
she’s dangerous without them
The next administration needs to monitor hate speech radio and fine these people heavily. It will and should become very expensive to slander people… even if it is “entertainment”.
Accountability Nation
MSNBC Sen Tom Colburn? Oklahoma is saying that entitlements GOP code for social security and islamofacism are our countries biggest problems and John McCain understands this.
Social Security is a problem this is what John wants to run on? Does the GOP want to lose the older O’Reily fox news viewers too? We could get 90% if we make an issue of this and the GOP does not back down.
Congratulations FDL: 50,000,000 site visits!!!!
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I don’t buy that for a second. The Republicans went all out against the Clintons, spreading lies all over the place. Even when Bush took the WH, there were rumors of the Clintons having smashed up things in the White House. You can’t blame the Clintons for the Republican attacks. And Hillary didn’t screw her intern.
Remember when Hillary put out her health care plan, the media went ape shit about how a woman should know her place. They were interviewing waitresses in Idaho who said she was giving women a bad name. Then there’s the newest attacks that accuse her of “having a murky relationship with the truth.” If they could call her a liar, they would, but they can’t, so they say stuff like that and it just gets out there and eventually, some of it sinks in.
I’m not saying she’s perfect, or Bill was perfect, but even this idea that what we’re going to get is Clinton 2, is a Republican talking point.
It has occured to me, that the Coulter’s and the Limbaughs calling McCain a Liberal is not damaging to him in the least.
In fact having the people who have been horrifically wrong about EVERYTHING the last 8 years say “No” to McCain actually increases his credibility, one can vote for the GOP and distance oneself from the crazies at the same time.
If Malkin hates him he can’t be all bad…
You don’t think you’ll have to live through it if Obama gets elected? They’ll find something. That’s what they do.
Gosh, eege, almost as many as our blogs! *g*
The next president will be forced to make very aggressive and radical steps. We are very fast heading for complete meltdown. The old fixes and middlin policies will no longer work. Witness the proposed “stim package”… no one believe it will do BOO.
Wall street drove us off the cliff. Forget recession, we will have a depression and that means some serious re do’s.
Ah, but the reason one might vote for Obama is not because you believe he’d base his Presidency on his rhetorical skills, but rather to use it for getting elected. Getting elected and governing = two different things.
What he does in office is set the agenda and push it — that’s why I posted last time on what Clinton and Obama say about the economy and the role of government in addressing fairness. And why things like the “debate” about health care mandates and the Krugman critique are so important. That’s not about rhetoric.
Aw crap!
Scarecrow, Larry Johnson’s No Quarter is in your blogroll to the right up there. What do you make of this, from his post yesterday, “Democratic Death Wish”:
“…Republicans are doing a good job of beating the crap out of each other. Not a lot of new on that front. But not the same for Obama. I am familiar with a couple of stories that the mainstream media is sitting on. These stories will be very damaging for Obama and add to the baggage he will carry into November. The remaining question is whether or not the media counter attack will come before or after the Democrats make their final decision…”
That ghoul with the pointy ears from the Clinton impeachment Ginsburg is back on my TeeVee.
Oh Gawd! I don’t know if I can stand this.
GrandmaJ: Are you saying all those resolutions passed? Or failed? Where?
I reaize that the nastiness and lies will flow against whomever the candidate is. But at least we could get some fresh lies. I’m tired of the old ones.
LOL!
Of course it is. What did you expect? And even worse, it’s going to be McCain/Huckabee.
“no money”"on their own” BWAHAHAHAHA! Ever hear about”that individual” named Rezko? You know, BO’s longest and largest contributor? The guy going on TRIAL for ripping off the very people BO is SUPPOSED to be championing? What, 17 years and a couple hundred thousand dollars? And let’s not forget that AMAZING deal on the mansion and the plot next door. HOW many hundred thousand UNDER market value did he get it for from “that individual”? As for her accomplishments as an activist for 35 years and a two term Senator along with that lil time spent in the WhiteHouse during the most successful Presidency in the last like…oh I donknow…50 years, yeah, she got NOTHIN huh? Either you’re delusional, illiterate, to lazy to read or dishonest, with us or yourself it’s a coin toss.
Larry’s been a strong Clinton supporter, and the Clinton campaign has been trying to plant the story that there’s something bad out there that will come to light, sooner or later. Is it true? Or is this dirty politics with a veil? Who knows.
OH YEAH, and wasn’t it BO hisself who called Unions “Special Intrests” in a perjorative way?
Still empty after Edwards departure…I had still planned to caucus last night for Obama. The main reason was down to every time I went here
http://www.dlc.org/ and looked at the very top I saw changing images
of Ford, Carper and Clinton.
However, I was bailed out by our daughter who chose this day to give birth to our grandson Calvin.
Living about 2 miles from the Pepsi Center I figure I will be able to feel the energy, both positive and weird, from my from porch.
One of the biggest cheerleaders of Clinton smear is Ruturd’s Pox News. In fact, they were literally losing hundreds of millions until the Monica scandal, which they “milked” beyond belief and helped them turn the tide. The Iraq Invasion is really what gave their current level of ratings.
The Clintons and Ruturd consider themselves friends. They hang out. Ruturd holds fundraisers for Hillary. Ruturd get legislation exactly as he wants it.
Almost makes you think they’re all “in on it” together, doesn’t it?
Um, right, our high traffic blogs.
But here’s a blog that is on fire: our own ET’s progressivealaska has the story on massive turnout for the Dem primary in his district. Highly recommend.
I’m a Krugman fan. I’ve followed what he’s said about the health care plans of Senators Clinton and Obama. I try to pick apart what he says though because I like it so much that I don’t want to support it just because it is inline with my views. I tend to be more critical about people and issues that I really like.
Why don’t we go after the broadcast licenses of the stations that carry the liars? The airwaves are allocated to those who commit to use them in the public interest. We just haven’t had a President or an FCC that enforced the rules.
Congratulations!
Yep. congrats! More pups.
Three of five FCC commissioners are Repug picks. Anyone know how/when those terms are renewed?
I don’t know what to think of some of the delegate counts and voting results — but I absolutely LOVE the turnout figures.
KC Missouri and points west and north got slammed by a snow storm yesterday evening, which is the big story on the local news. But right there next to it are some stunningly huge turnout numbers in the KS Democratic caucuses and MO Democratic primary.
This has to be making statewide GOP officials and candidates in both MO and KS very, very nervous.
I like that. A lot.
More and better Dems, up and down the ticket!
Woohoo!!! Wishing you much happiness with the wee lad.
I tend to face reality, even when I don’t like what I see. The reality is, the Dems lost the Senate, we lost the House, we lost numerous Governorships and state legislatures during and after Clinton I. You can blame everything on the evil MSM if you want, but that period in history was full of a type of drama that I, for one, do not want to relive. It’s just time for new blood, new ideas, and a new approach. That’s all I’m saying. I’d also note that NO ONE is going to get exactly what they want from any candidate. I believe that it’s the President’s job to set the tone and lead and “hire” good people to implement his/her vision. If he/she thinks he/she is going to micromanage, we’re doomed.
Once again, I favor legalization of the code duello. We would lose a few, but they would have to really watch what they said. Can you envision Rush Limbaugh blowing gas about Andrew Jackson. It wouldn’t have been for long. /snark
Whitewater! Vince Foster! Bill’s affairs SINCE his terms! Ah this is so much fun…
“We are the ones we are waiting for” that was authored by Christy – Obama is reading FDL
Woo Hoo! Check the site meter at the bottom. You folks just pushed firedoglake passed the 50,000,000 mark! You will all receive new cars.
Yeah! the “Barack the Magic Negro” bit Rush Limpballs did should have gotten him banned forever.
Super Tuesday!
Amen to that and a big second. I heard a second, the motion is carried!
In our precinct with 32 attendees, they passed unanimously. Obviously they had quite a bit more formality in their recitation, but that is the gist of them. The leader, a retired English teacher, kept asking if someone wanted to bring up a local issue, but noooo, we wanted to talk about how bad bush was. I tried to bring another one up about Presidents having to obey the laws of the country and stop these insane ’signing’ statements, but we ran out of time and it was past, way past, my bedtime. :-)
The most interesting thing I learned was about genetic copyright laws. Something about farming, and crops, and Monsanto demanding they can come onto private farm land and test crops to see if planted corn, or whatever, is similar to theirs. If Monsanto thought there might be some infiltration from neighboring fields of seed into someone’s fields, they would file copyright infringement lawsuit and ‘take’ all the seed corn (and profits) for themselves. And Monsanto is not the only corporation doing this. I had never heard of this problem before.
And surprisingly, to me at least, several of the farmers in attendance had known about this problem and spoke up about it. See what one learns from attending a caucus of one’s neighbors? Alot.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/me…..8/hopi.htm
O, that was funny!
Finally! Someone is reporting on this. It’s not just his district. It’s everywhere. Not a word about it on my TeeVee, though.
The voting numbers are amazing. If the Democratic Party can stay as energized as it is now through the year we will have a very good November.
Hi egregious, Saw the meter last night but forgot to check this am. Ya beat me to it. Best wishes for your move, and I’m missing the early eg posts too.
I keep telling myself that when ever my spirit flags!
Man, he’s getting ridiculous. I used to like him but he’s becoming so Taylor Marsh-ish, who I also used to like. Larry just had a completely pathetic attempt to say Obama supports genocide in Kenya, and every single linked I clicked on didn’t work, and they were to unknown sources.
When Googling the topics, every single article I could find about the topics came from places like Malkin, Newsmax, Drudge, etc.
Don’t know about you, but I tend to ignore people that advance unsubstantiated smears from GOP operatives.
Oh, forgot to mention, my precinct is in rural Minnesota, Sherburne county/precinct 2. We went for Obama by 25 votes. We were all astonished. I suspected several secret republicans there that might have voted for Obama. Who knows. I can be the suspicious type.
In keeping with a grandparent’s duty to spoil their grandkids and stir up trouble (in a good way) for the new parents, are you going to give the little kid a stuffed tiger named Hobbes?
*g*
When the next president takes office.
This from Larry’s same post I found equally worrisome (the devil you know, etc.):
“…Look for the Patrick Fitzgerald backlash. Most Democrats have lauded Mr. Fitzgerald for hauling Scooter Libby in for perjury and obstruction of justice. But will Democrats be singing with similar gusto come end of March as Mr. Fitzgerald builds a case against Obama’s key financial backer, Tony Rezko? I fully suspect that Dems, angry over the legal assault on Obama at that time, will be hollering for Fitzgerald’s head…”
So it is obvious that only Sen. Clinton’s non-governmental experience matters. Sen. Obama’s years as a grass roots organizer matters for naught.
Pretty patronizing stuff.
-G
Back to my FCC question. Anyone know the procedure/timeline for FCC appointments? Or is it appointments (at pleasure of the president)? Because of a horrendous greed-grab by MPR of the country’s first listener-supported station (WCAL-FM), had a chance to meet the two FCC commissioners who bothered to show up for a town hall type meeting. Clearly not Repub-picks. And something in my little lizard brain suggests that this is a vitally important issue, i.e., FCC makeup.
Thanks bluejeansntshirt, much appreciated.
Scarecrow, I’d be happy just to get the old car, today or tomorrow at the latest. And say, isn’t it ponies that we give out?
ooops, let me rephrase….
i believe it was Christy that brought the concept here to rally the roots.
and Robert Reich disputes with Krugman, FWIW
Hey! We’re identical Minnesota grannies, separated at birth!
I may be wrong, but I’ve never heard Rezko described as a “key financial backer” of Obama. Are there ties between them? Yes. But “key financial backer” goes beyond anything I’ve seen.
WOW! You really have taken the reugnantklan talking points to hearts haven’tcha! Whitewater, three,THREE repugnantklan special prosecutors and untold millions and seven years and the verdict? NOTHIN,ZIP,NADA,INNOCENT! Vince Foster? You have GOT to be kidding right? Wadya buy that tape from that PIG Falwell? Been listening to Limpwithnoballs again? Bill’s affairs? You’re really kidding right? I mean are you seriously trying to say Bill Clinton’s sex life has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING? It was all consensual between adults. What, are you jealous or something? You are exhibit A for how lame the supporters of the empty suit are. Either that or you’re a plant from the repugs pretending to be a Dem/Lib/Prog. Gonna start telling us the earth is only a couple thousand years old next? SHEEEESH!
gee, that would be obligatory
I’m all for it. Neither front runner has addressed executive overreach and by all appearances will adorn themselves with the precedence.
I’ve read some responses to the mandate issue and Krugman by other PhD economists. There’s a good “healthy” debate about this issue. Personally, I don’t want to be forced to partake in a corrupt system, which Clinton’s plan does. It’s a complicated issue. I want Canada-style health care and I like Obama’s plan more, but it’s no great shakes either.
Either way, this criticism of Obama that he’s “all speech, no details” is silly. His various plans are clearly on his site, and they’re much more detailed than Hillary’s:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Found this here:
So there is life for them after a new prez, apparently. This bears close scrutiny. Huge issue.
New post upstairs, BTW.
Oh, she’d love to believe that, in any case.
Gee, thought I mentioned that stuff about being a TWO TERM SENATOR. Kinda patronizing to miss that donchathink? And what about all those years working on the Childrens Defense Fund? Yeah yer right, nothin. ALL that time as a “Community organizer” So just what did he organize other then organizing sizeable donations from Rezko to his budding politicol campaign? He organized people to chalange all those voter registrations against Ms. Palmer in his first election, yeah, THAT’S it.
Who is this loudmouth?
thanks Scarecrow! Now I suppose I should dig through the backlog sitting here in front of me. . .
It’s possible MSM usage of terminology like “key financial backer” that’s worrying me, as they pick up on Fitzgerald building the case against Rezko.
Strong advise you to keep the namecalling out of our discussion.
You seem to missing the point.
Isn’t our system based on “innocent until proven guilty?” Like Whitewater for instance, Rezko is purely accusation right now. Is that all ya got?
Bill got a bj from an intern in the WH, then lied about it under oath. You think that’s cool for anyone to do, let alone a President? Those are facts right? Not unproven accusations.
I don’t doubt it. But, it seems to me that if people are making their voting decisions on the basis of which candidate has more or bigger signs at the polls, there’s something seriously wrong with this “democracy”. I see it as just another mindless instatiation of what the MSM does.
Well what if Obama is found to not have doing anything wrong? Will Hillary supporters be claiming Fitz is a Chicago-Daley Machine operative looking to cover their tracks?
Don’t be afraid of rumours. Time tells all.
Well yeah, actually I AM cool with that. As for name calling? Just how would you ask the question?
I get paranoid thinking about all the possibles for attacking whichever candidate makes it out of the convention :(
Hope you’re right, that time will accurately tell all. Pretty amusing idea, trying to paint Fitzgerald as part of the Daley machine…
Have to drive in to work now. Read you all later.
And I did vote for Edwards! I wonder what number of votes he received. I hope lots! Maybe he will dome back into the race? Hard to vote for anyone else!
I didn’t say that he was all speech. But the campaign emphasis, to me, has been on his speaking skills. He, and Hillary, brought their plans to the table only after Edwards prodded them into doing so.
To me, his plans aren’t all that great. I prefer Hillary’s health plan, and I think his take on Social Security isn’t all that great either. What’s up with bringing that debate back to the table after we won one for a change. I hate that he call Unions special interest groups. I really hate that he let that reactionary homophobic preacher speak for him. It felt as if he was validating the views of homosexual haters by saying that we need to seriously consider their views and have a discussion about them. What’s there to discuss about that issue?
The fawning media coverage is really aggravating me too. I feel like the press is starting to torpedo Clinton like they did Edwards and it just pisses me off that the press is trying to decide who our will be candidate again.
I am still in recovery mode from the voting yesterday in NM. We had 50% higher turnout than in 2004. There are 16,000 provisionals to count today. The vote totals so far of the counted ballots have Hillary ahead by only about 120 votes. A ton of provisionals in ABQ where Obama carried.
Just want to say I agree with RevDeb. Hillary’s team includes many I don’t trust, and Obama just doesn’t feel right- all that nice unity talk when we’re faced with such obstructionists! Rather than agree that we are who we have been looking for, I would say, I still haven’t found what I’m looking for (now that Edwards is out.)
Oh, please. This is a civilized board. Rant someplace else.
Ah. It’s a new one to me. Great concept, and matches well with his theme.
You’re right. I am far to barbaric to meekly listen to untruths,drivel and unsubstantiated accusations, innuendo and propaganda. I leave it to the “civilized” to eat the lotus and wake up next year wondering how on EARTH they ever allowed themselves to be lulled by empty words into throwing away a chance to right the horrors of the Bush years. Watched far to many UUUUberchristofacistictalibangelicals and their snake oil salesman deliveries to NOT recognize BO for the opportunist he is. So go on congratulating yourselves on how “civilized” you are. Guess I’ll just go and deal in the reality based universe.
I’m not interested in new! shiny! new! young! shiny! hype.
I’m interested in universal health care. I’m not interested in singing kumbaya with Karl Rove.
The Republican party is has NOT been the party of ideas for the last 15 years, as Obama has stated, and
I am not happy that 40 percent of Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans.
Hillary Clinton is way to the right of me, and Obama is waaay to the right of Clinton. Not good.
I’m not sure how one places Obama way to the right of Clinton when their voting records are so similar. both are moderates.
I agree with you on the Kumbaya thing, and I don’t expect Obama, if elected, to have tremendous impact on the partisanship in the congress. I don’t want congress holding hands and necking. I want the democrats to stand for something.
But since my preferred candidates are all gone (or never entered), I believe Obama can fill that office much more effectively than can Clinton.
One other thing. I am greatly disappointed and mystified that neither Obama nor Clinton make any statements about the rule of law, the gutting of FISA, and the importance of our constitutional rights. It’s strange, but one almost gets the impression that they just don’t care.
Well, it looks like once again Democrats will pull defeat from the jaws of victory. Let’s vote for Edwards who has withdrawn from the race instead of making the two remaining candidates articulate his issues. Let’s continue to fracture the party, our party with wonderful ideas. In the meantime, we let the right fall in line behind the 100 year war mongering butt kisser-flip flopper. No need to push our agenda forward…let’s just pout and dream of what could have been. Amazingly, we call Obama a dreamer and not really look at his history and positions. Then, we repeat the Clinton spin on him and the talking points of those who desperately want Hillary. We want someone who makes us proud to be Americans again, and has the tools to work on those issues. So, we pout about Clinton, Obama or Edwards…instead of taking the best issues of Kucinich, Biden, Dodd, and Richardson, and making the remaining candidates take up the cause. What is really sad is how we are now dividing each other into subgroups…yes, we are liberal and progressive, but we don’t seem to really know each other or like each other very much. Unless we are all collectively being screwed by the right wing. Maybe we better clean up our own house before the nomination goes to someone who simply can’t win in November. Again. Damn!
When you look at this chart take into account where Obama stood only 2 months ago and the Clinton name recognition. These results seemed impossible. A dream.
Obama won 13 states , with NM maybe 14, 8 of them by margins larger than 20 points. Hillary won 8 states, 2 by more than 20 point margins.
I remain hopeful that: YES WE CAN!
I think Obama offset the California 10 point margin loss by winning more states- and with more larger margins than Hillary.
If Obama could succeed in courting the Latino vote he’d have it in the bag. If he wins NM, will Richardson endorse him? What impact would it have on TX latino vote?
OBAMA
MO 100%: Obama 49- Clinton 48 – margin 1 By one point, but significant.
AK 98%: Obama 75 Clinton 25 margin 50
UT 99%: Obama 57 Clinton 39 margin 18
CO 99%: OBama 67 Clinton 32 margin 35
ID 100%: Obama 79 Clinton 17 margin 62
MN 81%: Obama 67 Clinton 32 margin 35
CT 99%: OBama 51 Clinton 47 margin 4
KS 100%: Obama 74 Clinton 26 margin 48 (Obama family ties to KS)
ND 100%: Obama 61 Clinton 37 margin 24
AL 99%: Obama 56 Clinton 42 margin 14
DE 100%:Obama 53 Clinton 43 margin 10
IL 97%: Obama 65- Clinton 33 margin 32 (Hillary’s native state- Obama’s adopted state( he was born in Honolulu)
GA 99%:Obama 67-Clinton 31 margin 36
CLINTON
CA 95%: Clinton 52- Obama 42 margin 10
AZ 98%: Clinton 51-Obama 42 margin 9
NJ 99%: Clinton 54 Obama 44 margin 10
MA 99%: Clinton 56-Obama 41 margin 15
NY 99%: Clinton 57-Obama 40 margin 17 (Hillary’s adopted state)
TN 100%: Clinton 54-Obama 41 margin 13
AR 89%: Clinton 69-Obama 27 margin 42 (we know the story here)
OK 100%: Clinton 55-Obama 31 margin 34
NM with 92 percent of the votes reporting: Obama 49 -Clinton 48
Amen and thanks, Scarecrow. Sounds like clarity came and is very real.
B
Richardson would be great. Unfortunately, Cisneros has already endorsed Clinton.
It’s interesting how Obama supporters need to cling to this notion of Obama overcoming Hillary’s lead. It’s not as though they held an election last year, then held another one this year. Hillary’s ”leads” all came from opinion polls. How long will it take until we realize that the polls, [particularly in this election), are completely unreliable? How many Obama supporters kep touting the polls that showed Obama winning California and Massachusetts? Hillary started with name recognition, but she wasn’t the incumbent, although the Obama camp would like to position her that way. Obama is an attractive candidate, and as the public got to know him better, he has picked up substantial support. Realistically, though, he had nowhere to go but up. I think it’s a fallacy to portray this as a lot of voters who were solidly in Clinton’s corner now going to Obama. There’s been a huge number of undecideds all along, and Obama’s picking up his share. But this momentum story is to a large part a media invention, because it makes a quick and easy story without requiring much thought. Wherever Hillary racked up sizable wins, it’s dismissed as meaningless; the only number that seems to count is how much her margin of victory was below polls taken a month ago.
To the extent that Obama supporters want to crow about his wins yesterday, go ahead, that’s legitimate. But claiming his losses weren’t really losses is just silly. I especially like the way the early voters were somehow dismissed, as if their votes don’t count quite as much or if they had waited they would have surely voted for Obama.
It’s especially amusing to see Obama supporters talk about the polls while simultaneously dismissing the 1.4 million actual voters who went to the polls in Florida, and preferred Hillary by a 20 point margin. And no, you don’t have top repeat that there were no delegates at stake. That fact doesn’t make those 1.4 million voters magically disappear.
And a special note to ProfessorFoland way upthread at 43: ”But it seems kos is right–the endorsements you really want are from machine mayors, who can deliver patronage votes even if it’s a less flashy way to go about it. Boston’s mayor Menino was for Hillary, and perhaps that was no small part of her victory.” Yeah, maybe Ted Kennedy should think about getting himself one of those machines. Nice the way Menino’s support is dismissed as ”patronage votes.” Since Obama carried Boston, perhaps it’s time for a new theory.
You’re right. It doesn’t require much thought to analyze these numbers:
In Jan, when they finally started going head-to-head, Obama raises $32 million in one month. Clinton raises $13 million in the same month. This after Hillary raised a little more than Obama in the 4th Quarter last year.
Obama wins Iowa convincingly, South Carolina by over twice as many votes, the delegates in Nevada, and yesterday, more delegates and many more states than Clinton.
Seems to me the voters are creating the momentum. I feel the BigMedia has been keeping some of these simple facts quiet in order to drag this thing out as long as possible (no time for the links but I have a long list of them to back up this point). Just this week I saw several stories headlined on the Yahoo frontpage about Hillary winning the Q4 fundraising, and this was after they reported on Obama’s $32 mil month. Not one that actually compared the $32-$13 million Obama advantage in Jan OF THIS YEAR fer chissakes. If your theory of a pro-Obama press was true, wouldn’t that have been all over the BigMedia? Instead just a few articles here and there that I never saw headlined or in the TV gabfests. The longer this Obama-Clinton fight goes, the better for ratings and ad buys.
Whoops. Didn’t mean to imply you were doing that. Totally fair points on Obama’s various “plans” and some of his wishy-washiness. Some of that stuff is bothersome to me as well, but still isn’t as bad as the problems I have with Hillary’s various plans, and many of the things she has done in her career. Her entire staff is made up of DLCers through and through, just as she herself is having been the DLC chair. I feel the DLC was purposely created to infiltrate the Dem Party from within, and make sure we don’t get anything too Liberal done that might hurt the profits of the BigMoney stringpullers. Paranoid perhaps? I present NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare “Reform,” and this entire first year of Dem “leadership as evidence to prove my theory. And there’s so much more…
I feel Warshington has been descending into a horrible mess the last few decades, to the point where our entire system of government is potentially damaged beyond repair. I just don’t think people who have presided over much of that time are going to be the ones to fix it. I want new blood and new ideas. Now.
Also, I really disagree with the notion the BigMedia is ramming Obama down our throats, in fact, I feel it’s just the opposite. I remember the first comment I ever made to a blog, about 4-5 years ago, had to do with all these reports I was seeing about Hillary being “inevitable” even back then. I was wondering where that came from since I do not know a single person that supported her back then or hardly even now for that matter. And I’m quite active within DemocratIC Party. I spelled out some other reasons in the above comment as well.
Whatever happens with the Prez race, at least we can all rally behind the More and Better Blue America candidates, which is where we have the most impact anyway.
Obama tweaking West Wing transcripts for his speeches
These are great episodes from the West Wing. And when I heard his speech from Tuesday night, thought it sounded familiar. Now we know where his inspiration comes from. Still gonna support for him though
West Wing Season 2 Ep.2 (In the shadow of two Gunmen) 38 mins 50 sec
Bartlet
what began on the commons in Concord, Massachusetts, as an alliance
of farmers and workers, of cobbles man and tinsmiths, of statesmen and students,…
Obama (Feb5)
What began as a whisper in Springfield soon carried across the cornfields of Iowa, where farmers and factory workers, students and seniors stood up in numbers we have never seen before.
West Wing Season 4 Ep.22 (Commencement) 25 mins 40sec
BARTLET
“You must be the change” – is that it? “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.”
Obama (Feb5)
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
Going to read some of the transcripts from Obama stump speeches. There are bound to be some other ideas that come from hit Tv shows
We Are The Ones was written by Bernice Johnson Reagon. Her group, Sweet Honey in the Rock, sings it. I suspect a lot of black people have sung it in church. I sang it in a Peace Choir on the Oregon Coast. I just think Bernice deserves credit for the line.