Sheesh

If you re-read Jane’s essay, she wasn’t throwing the term indiscriminately, and neither was anyone else in their responses here, afaik. There is nothing wrong with criticizing Hillary’s positions; however, it is well documented that the media has been one-sided in their criticisms, and have indeed piled on selectively. Some Obama supporters also qualify as Hillary Haters based on their scurrilous comments about her.

That is like voting “present”; an old Obama way of doing politics. This fake war with Iran isn’t happening. We are stretched so thin that we will be lucky if we get Afghanistan right. Besides, wasn’t it Obama who was threatening to attack Pakistan at one time? I don’t fault him on this, but shouldn’t the “warmongering” label for the goose be the same for the gander?

OBAMA 08!

California flash- Independent voters in LA County where there are 800,000
voters registered as independents had a difficult time getting Democratic ballots and even if they did had to make a special request to have their votes counted in the Democratic primary- STAY TUNED

I wonder who the wifecheating mayor of LA supported?

Same person that sack of shit has always suported – himself.

However, Ambitious Antonio is merely Mayor of the City of Los Angeles.

Elections for the County of Los Angles (pop 10,250,000) are conducted by the County gov’t, which is lead by the Five Princes Royals aka the Board of Supervisors. They have been split on party lines (R/D) for decades.

Jane said:

I respect Matt but disagree on almost everything. Obama’s California defeat was devastating; both campaigns made it ground zero for all their firepower, pulling out all the stops and Clinton won decisively in groups she’s had a hard time competing with before — everything but African Americans and young white men, atheists and people who make between 159-400k a year. Gays broke huge for her, so did Asians and Latinos, churchgoers, married people seniors — as did young people 18-24 in both Massachusetts and California. As Dave Dayden said at Calitics, “Clinton SMOKED Obama in the hard-to-reach areas of SoCal and the Central Valley.” It was a heavily contested battle where we got to see everything they’ve got, and Clinton scored a decisive victory.

I wouldn’t say that Hillary winning was devastating for Obama 1) She had a huge lead as recently as a few weeks ago 2) She’s the candidate of the establishment (trust me, a know a few people) 3) name recognition

Then there’s the fact that delegates are awarded proportionately

“Gays broke for her” Do you mean West Hollywood? Because SF went for Obama by the same margin as the state for Hillary. Are there exit polls which I haven’t seen that reflect this?

“Young people 18-24″ I’m not doubting you, but are there exit polls for this?

As far as D Day’s quote, I disagree completely: From personal observation having lived in SoCal and being a current resident of the Central Valley I saw these two areas as a significant stronghold for Senator Clinton because SoCal is a traditional conservative area when you take into consideration the defense industry, military bases and areas such as the Inland Empire; and the Central Valley having been a magnet for people in economically distressed areas such as the Southern Plains in the 1930’s and Latin America at present – these people tend to be more conservative socially and tend to be drawn to one more authoritative in nature, and tend to be more religious who would gravitate to a more conservative candidate (which Hillary has done in many of her votes) and more well known candidate.

Barack did make a huge strategic error as far as I see it, because he could have made huge inroads, if not taken the extreme Northern California counties, the Sierra and the Antelope Valley had they spent the money with direct mail and cable tv ad buys, but that’s water under the bridge.

I hate to criticize the blog posts of others, especially those for whom I have a lot of respect because I know how much time and effort goes into a blog but I had to add a few of my own personal observations

Peace

The fact still remains that many of Hillary’s critics point to their own opposition to the war as evidence that any thinking person knew it was wrong

You’re overstating the case here. Most Democrats knew the war was wrong and voted accordingly. The exception was in the Senate, where a thin majority of Democrats voted for the war. That was because the presidential wannabe’s (Biden, Dodd, Clinton, Edwards and Kerry) were afraid of opposing what looked to be an easy, popular war. As a group, they put their own careers ahead of their consciences.

I resolved at that time that I would never vote for any of them. There has to be some accountability, right? Gender has nothing to do with it. If Edwards were still in the race, I wouldn’t vote for him either.

And by the way, the war authorization vote was not a difficult decision. Everybody knew Bush was cynically exploiting national outrage after September 11th.