In her NyTimes OpEd endorsing the candidacy of Barack Obama, Caroline Kennedy tells us that rather than basing our decision on a candidates' stated positions on the issues or on their experience we should focus instead on his character.
Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates’ goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.
I have long been an admirer of Ms. Kennedy's and I think she has point. Problem is, Obama has a Tony Rezko problem. Actually a whole bunch of Tony Rezko problems. And a few other problems here and there which do not say very good things about his character or his sense of ethics or his ability to spot the appearance of impropriety. I include on that list the recent revelations about the legislation which he claims to have "passed" relating to leakage of nuclear material into drinking water.
REZKO
When Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review, Rezko interviewed him for a job working for one of Rezko's companies. Obama turned down the job, but instead accepted more indirect employment at the law firm representing a series of Rezko's not-for-profit partners in the series of transactions to build and rehab low income housing that are now the subject of federal indictment in Chicago which US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald described as "pay to play on steroids."
Obama was an attorney with a small Chicago law firm -- Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland -- that helped Rezmar get more than $43 million in government funding to rehab 15 of their 30 apartment buildings for the poor.
Resko got millions of dollars to build and rehab low income housing and according to the government, embezzled the money. The people in those houses had no heat, no water. They lived in squalor--many in Obama's State senate district. You could assume constituent complaints would have come in and Obama's law firm did the legal work for those government contracts and grants. Yet he denies knowing about it.
During this period, Rezko was mentoring him and raising money for him and hosting parties to introduce Obama to influential people.
When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, Rezko held a June 27, 2003, cocktail party in Rezko’s Wilmette mansion, picking up the tab for the lavish event. Obama’s campaign staff has said it has no records to show who attended that party, or how much it cost.
As an aside, Obama told the press that the total amount raised by Rezko for him over his career was only about $60,000, when the amount given by Rezko has been reported at $162,000 and change, and if you count the money Rezko bundled for him it goes even higher.
After he was elected to the Senate and while he was anticipating a large sum of money from his soon to be best selling book, Obama found his dream home. There is an extensively detailed post over at MyDD explaining the timeline of this purchase and just how "insider" it was. It's a real eye opener. Read to the end past all the maps and statistics.
There was a slight hitch in that Obama could not quite afford the asking price for the house which was situated on a large lot. According to MyDD, Michelle Obama used her position on the Chicago Landmarks Commission to facilitate the subdivision of the lot.
Barack Obama, for his part, went to Rezko for "advice" about how to buy a house he cannot afford and "poof" Rezko's wife pays full price for a portion of the property and Obama gets a discount on the house. A while later, he bought back 1/6 of the lot from her for 1/6 of the price she paid for it. How is that different from an interest free loan equal to the amount paid for that 1/6 of the lot? According to MyDD, Obama pays for the landscaping of the Rezko lot and may have been using it to park his cars because his neighborhood does not allow on street parking, in which case how is this different from rent free occupancy of the land?
Now comes the revelation: the Chicago Sun Times reported that Obama is mentioned in the federal criminal case against Rezko.
Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.
Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.
The COMMITTEE MEETINGS
Add to that this golden oldie from the Chicago Tribune.
Nowhere was Obama's ability to navigate Springfield's subcultures on better display than at The Committee Meeting. That was the code name for Wednesday night poker games attended by about a dozen lawmakers and lobbyists. Obama was a regular, and his stingy betting became a running joke with those at the table.
--snip--
An exception to his disciplined routine was the poker game held inside the headquarters of the Illinois Manufacturers Association, the big business lobby whose legislative goals often were at odds with those of liberals like Obama.
Handed a cigar and cocktail on the way in, players left a few hundred dollars richer or poorer. Obama played liked he legislated, "slowly, deliberately, cautiously," recalled Jacobs. [emphasis mine]
The ChiTrib doesn't explicitly say whether he won or lost. And I am certainly not suggesting he lost. To the contrary, the segment highlighted, suggests he DIDN'T lose.
One of the things that came out about Abramoff et al. was that they would invite Congress critters to play poker and wine and dine in a hotel suite that the lobbyist paid for, and then let them win. It was a way of passing money to them without leaving a paper trail. The Chicago events were hosted at the HQ of a lobbying organization, I think it's fair to assume that the cocktails and Cohibas were provided by the hosts and the article makes a point of saying that he was a stingy better and a cautious player--directly suggesting that he seldom lost. And what kind of message are you sending joking about the game being a "Committee Meeting"?
One of the reasons public corruption cases, at least the bribery part, are often so hard to prove is that the participants go to great lengths to have a "beard" for the transactions. Paying for vacations, losing at poker, doing repairs on the elected's house without any invoices, throwing business to the elected's (or their relative's) law firms or companies, regularly taking the elected out for very expensive meals is known as soft bribery. In the Bess Meyerson case, which the government lost, the bribe was a job for the judge's otherwise unemployable daughter.
Unless someone flips and gives you testimony, or unless, as in Operation Greylord, you have audio or video tapes, it's really really hard to get a conviction because there usually is not much of a paper trail. Since there wouldn't even be hotel records for the Chicago games, they are particulary fuzzy.
Back to REZKO
Unless there is testimony out there. Long ago when I was doing criminal cases, an unnamed source from the prosecution was called "a source close to the investigation" and a leak from the defense was called "a source familiar with the case." I don't know if the ChiSun uses those naming conventions, but it occurs to me that someone may have been trying to scare the pants off Obama. Interestingly, Obama suddenly left Nevada and flew back to Chicago on Sunday right after the caucuses.
If I'm the AUSA handling the case, I would assume (if I didn't know already) from that leak from the source "familiar with the case" that there is definitely somebody out there with testimony and I might even know who that person is and that this is the time to squeeze him. It's a sign that the defendants and suspects are considering turning on each other. Always a happy thing for the prosecution.
I don't know what Obama did to merit so much help from Rezko. The Chicago Sun Times reported that
As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens.
In that deal Rezko paid only $1 for the land. The rest of the deal, which included an $800,000 development fee paid to Rezko's company, was entirely financed by public money. There is also a much more minor incident involving giving an internship:
John Aramanda served as an intern for Obama for about a month in 2005, said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. His father is Joseph Aramanda, a Rezko business associate who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal corruption case against Rezko. Aramanda has contributed $11,500 to Obama since 2000, Gibbs said. “Mr. Rezko did provide a recommendation for John Aramanda..." [emphasis mine]
Was it simply enough that Obama didn't make waves about the lack of heat and deplorable conditions in the Rezko buildings situated within Obama's state senate district? I don't know. But I was struck by a comment Obama made in the debate on of the debates to the effect of "you know how Illinois politics are" or some such. Followed later on by
Nobody's hands are perfectly clean in politics. That is true. I mean, there a distinction, though, between not taking PAC and federal lobbyist money and having that as a major way of driving your campaign and having some ancillary involvement. [emphasis mine]
At the time, I wondered to myself, "where did that come from?"
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An excellent post, LHP!
It’s sad that the pursuit of higher office taints many… I think it has a detrimental effect by turning many off to the calling of public service…
Hell of a post looseheadprop.
I’m always right and I never lie, so vote for me, George Leroy Tirebiter.
– Firesign Theater
We will not get a perfect candidate. Who among us is perfect? In this house we will support the nominee of our Democratic party for the next president.
One reason I did not choose Obama was his very close ties with Rahm Emmanuel…
and Lieberman!
You should be judged on your character but also by the company that you keep… for a great video, check out Howie’s - here.
Thanks, LHP. The media hasn’t wanted to go here but you know the Republicans will so let’s have it out now.
I’ve always been suspicious of the notion that the GOP would rather run against Hillary than Obama. If that’s the case, Rezko would be on the front page of Drudge every day. Instead, it’s *crickets*.
I, too, will support the Dem nominee whoever that may be.
Didn’t Hillary help Lieberman get elected the last time?
Welcome to Chicago.
“Ancillary involvement” is probably tattooed on the skin of every Chicago-area politician of the last 100 years. I’m not usually one to deal in generalizations, but the political culture of Chicago is what it is. The best pols in Chicago can keep it at “ancillary”; the worst dive right into the cesspool with both hands out.
Lots to think about here, LHP. Lots.
Wow.
Obama needs to deal with and the Dems need to hash out this stuff now, so it will be old news by the time the general election comes around.
This cannot get traction for the very first time in the general
LHP - I’m curious how you make the jump from the poker reference to Abramoff - particularly given that Obama was the freshman state senator who fought for and won passage of significant ethics reforms in IL.
BTW, that article also mentions the poker games and notes the following which provides context on the poker games:
It is becoming apparent that Obama does have something in common with the late Ronald Reagan - a coat of teflon. Each new attack on his character seems to simply slide off him. Maybe the fact that the attacks are coming from Team Clinton has something to do with their lack of effectiveness. I think that most people realize that volumes could be written about the “deals” of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
There may be nothing substantial here, just as there wasn’t in Whitewater. But I sure wish that the mainstream media would investigate this thoroughly sooner than later, instead of setting the democrats for a fall after the nominee is chosen. Likewise, where is the $31 million coming from?
Thanks lhp. I’ve been wondering why the media has been silent on this and have also noted his statement about the perfectly clean hands. If he’s the one, I hope he can push back.
Not directly, considering she paid lip service to Lamont… FWIW… ;-)
This issue has been running in Chicago press (which is noticed nationally) for years … so far, the issue that seems most troubling is the house deal. If you read about the items like the letter recommending the housing development, you’ll see that all the area representatives and local housing groups sent similar letters since the development was seen as a positive.
The potential corruption issue is always important to dig into - for all candidates - which is why I spend a bunch of time reading back issues of the Trib (blergh)
yes, that is why my first choice was Edwards… but, even so - showing up to campaign for someone is less egregious(sorry, egy!) than being under LIEberman’s mentorship - no? I guess it’s debatable… but that is what I think.
Great post! And I agree that now is the time to deal with these issues.
A lot of pols who are not born with millions have little ‘problems’ early on:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....940527.htm
One reason I like John Edwards - he forcably removed his first millions from negligent corporations.
great post LHP.
No one is perfect, but there are some “character flaws” that are a whole lot worse than others. Same with some positions and some records.
So, when JFK got elected no one knew his old man was a bootlegger?
Quick disclosure:
I work in the futures and commodities industry.
This kind of return for an unsophisticated investor is somewhat less common than single Powerball winners.
Senator Clinton on Lieberman - youtube
I’d love to see both candidates show Lieberman the door.
Down in New Orleans (where I come from) that would be considered a plus.
Obama originally supported Lieberman until Ned Lamont arrived on the scene and then he campaigned for Lamont.
BOTH Clintons went out stumping for Lieberman until the end.
Its sad that you based your vote on misinformation…
Ah, for the good old days when those early indiscressions were not spoken about in polite company.
Hey Jacqrat….very nice.
And don’t forget that the Democrats stole the 1960 election with the help of the Chicago Democratic machine.
Or his dalliances that tarnish Camelot’s history… I just love Marilyn… Happy Birthday, Mr Prez…! ;-)
In my hometown of Detroit and adopted home Chicago as well.
Has Obama been asked in a debate about this relationship?
I know Hillary mentioned “your slumlord supporter Rezko” but then a picture surfaced of her and Bill with Rezko — which certainly doesn’t take the issue out of play in the fall, should Obama be the nominee.
After eight years of utter corruption, cronyism and rot, surely we’re not about to nominate someone about whom even a whiff of a case can be made on this account?
Wow. Great post LHP.
Darn right, hizzoner at his best! I’m the son and grandson of staunch Du Page County Republicans and I heard that from day one!
Maybe he’s a problem for both of them.
Senator ‘SnakeOil’ never supported Lamont in any meaningful way. Neither did the Clintons. That’s just not the way the ‘game’ is played in the Senate.
Great work LHP, but I suspect most of our political leaders have strayed from the straight band narrow. Ethics is a broad and deep problem throughout this country.
People lie, “network”… doesn’t that sound neutral and all, sleep their way up, marry up… most women would consider nothing less, cheat on exams, show favoritism to family and friends in biz assuming that merit comes second to blood.
We are a society obsessed with achievement and it compromises people’s behavior all the time. People are hired for the way they look (witness TV anchors who morph into talking head ref Noron) or who they are married too… witness Mrs Greenspan.
You dig in and you will find things people know that it is not on the up and up.
Obama is a man who wanted to have wealth and status and you can make it quickly on merit. Well it’s damn hard.
What he needs to do is come clean, AND point out the crap of some of our cleaner pols who are holier than thor. Remember all the finger pointing by the repukes who were having affairs at Clinton. Mr Livingston… ha. he left to lobby in DC. Like his ethics has nothing to do with anything. On to the next lucrative post.
They’re all creeps as far as I am concerned. We had the lovely Mrs Pirro and her mafia lying cheating husband and she had the balls to be a lead country prosecutor.
I shall know you by the friends you keep.
Wow, check out what the google brings
Then a word about the 1960 election. A current myth is that the Kennedys stole the election in Illinois and that Richard Nixon’s finest hour was his patriotic refusal to shake the republic to its foundations by contesting the result. In fact, Illinois was not crucial to Kennedy’s victory. Had he lost Illinois, Kennedy still would have won by 276 to 246 in the electoral college. And, if Mayor Richard Daley’s men stole votes in Cook County, Republicans stole votes down- state. The state electoral board, 4-1 Republican, voted unanimously to certify the Kennedy electors.
An associated myth is that Joseph P. Kennedy made a deal in the winter of 1959-1960 with a Chicago gangster named Sam Giancana to use the Mafia and trade unions under Mafia control to turn out the Chicago vote for his son. The elder Kennedy, the story goes, was well acquainted with Mafiosi because he had been a bootlegger himself in Prohibition days 30 years before.
It is true that Kennedy was a whiskey importer in the 1930s, but that was after repeal and entirely legal. During Prohibition, he had worked first as a broker for Hayden Stone and thereafter as a Wall Street speculator on his own. In the mid-1920s, he bought into a chain of movie theaters and soon went into film production. When would he have had time to be a bootlegger? Why would he have run the risk when he could make money easily and legally in Wall Street and Hollywood?
The Founding Father, Richard Whalen’s careful and critical 1964 biography, makes no such allegations, beyond noting that Joseph Kennedy produced Scotch for his classmates at their 10th Harvard reunion in 1922–hardly a damning incident. Professor Mark Haller of Temple University recently took the trouble of searching the comprehensive list of bootleggers in the intelligence files of the U.S. Coast Guard and found no mention of Joseph Kennedy. When Kennedy was up for Senate confirmation, first as a chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, then as chairman of the Maritime Commission, then as ambassador to the Court of St. James, no one suggested that he was an ex-bootlegger. Had he been one, he would not have been appointed or confirmed. Yet the bootlegger myth has become a staple of contemporary television shows and supermarket tabloids.
Sorry Siun, maybe I just assumed eveybody would get the Abramoff reference. It’s not a leap at all.
Abramoff as you may recall did his bribery often in subtle ways, He took his “friends” on all expense paid luxury vacations/ he took his “golfing buddies” to play at St. Andrews, on him, er, his clients
He and other lobbyists would rent out hotel suites and with free flowing liquor and food, “lose” at poker to people from Capitol Hill.
The “Committee Meetings” seem even more brazen in that they took place in the actual building of a lobbying organization and because of the name.
I liked Hill’s response, similar to Shrub’s Abramoff pixs, “We posed with many…” ;-)
Yes,but……Third Party…I know, I know impossible..nothing is impossible but here in America improbable.
And have been and ought to be
Sadly, Hillary fails that test too. She hangs around with scum like Mark Penn and Terry MacAuliffe(sp?). Hell, the only clean one I know is Feingold.
I kept looking for the other side of the story here, namely Clinton’s troubled financial dealings with Resko (and others). If you’re going to go down that path, do it right.
And McCain should be the last person on earth throwing any aspersions on another candidates’ finances.
Obama never campaigned for Lamont despite being asked. Hillary threw a fundraiser for him and contributed Wolfson. Bill stabbed him on Larry King.
Get your facts straight and stop drooling kool-aid.
Has any one asked Sell-out Harry what he thinks of Short Ride Joe palling around with McCain lately?
This all reminds me of Tricky and his buddy, Bebe Rebozo, and the toll bridge to Key Biscayne.
Could it be that Obama will at some point in time be pulling a Nixon using his famous “I am not a crook” line?
I think there’s some fear in raising corruption issues since they tend to cut both ways - as in the Rezko photo. If you look in the Chicago papers, you can find a ton of coverage and the Trib’s ongoing investigation which has been pretty intense.
It should also be noted that Obama has divested of all donations associated with Rezko, as Clinton has done with the donations associated with Hsu.
I don’t mean to be overly critical but I am tired of hearing this. I was ten years old when that happened. Maybe the republicans stole elections some other time, too. I don’t know. It seems that stealing the last two elections in a row would be much more relevant to the problems we face now. Plus, I don’t think that the dems did the kind of damage done by the neocons.
/rant
sorry
LHP, the Chicago Tribune, an extremely conservative newspaper, has dug into this with everything they’ve got. Jim Warren, who appears on MSNBC quite often, has said on numerous occasions that they have tried to find wrongdoing and nothing panned out. Yes, the house deal looks bad, but the rest is quite circumstantial. Friendship with slumlord = crook.
I know slumlords. Am I a crook?
Oh and they did hookers too, boys and girls.
Hee hee hee hee.
I vaguely remember this Lamont guy, wasn’t there a post or two about him here a while back?
/snark
Actually, no.
Obama supported Lieberman until he lost the primary. His support of Lamont was to the extent of sending an email to 5,000 supporters in Connecticut. He took a train through Connecticut, from New York to Boston, without stopping to campaign for or with Ned.
The Clintons also supported Lieberman until he lost the primary. Hillary lent strategist Wolfson to Lamont and donated $5,000 to his campaign. Bill went on Larry King to say that Democrats had it great in Connecticut, since clearly a Democrat would win, effectively undercutting the distinction Lamont was trying to make.
But it is incorrect to say that
HRC andBO supported Lieberman during the Democratic primary in CT.
In the general election, HRC raised money for Lamont and BO sent a blast email in support of Lamont.
The State of Illinois has a searchable database for checking on people who have contracts with the state of Illinois, and seeing to whom they and their companies have contributed (within the state, that is — not contributions to candidates for national offices). The database begins in 1999, and Rezko’s contributions — personally and by companies he controls — have gone to various folks, from local ward political groups up to and including the current governor and the speaker of the state house of representatives. It comes to around $220,000 from 1999 to date. (All Dems, which is to say, all from Chicago.)
I’m not saying these politicians are corrupt, nor Obama, but filling in the picture of Rezko as one who spreads political money around. A lot.
LHP - I was not clear. I understand the implication of your Abramoff discussion but I’m trying to see the evidence of Obama doing the same beyond the reports that he played poker cautiously. And given the feathers he ruffled as the young guy pushing ethics reform in the state legislature, I suspect we’d have heard quite a lot if he was crooked since there are a lot of IL pols who don’t like ethics reformers.
I think you’re making a leap it going from “he played poker” to “corruption”
Martha — You should know that LHP used to prosecute public corruption cases. And I have to say, they are almost always circumstantial. Just usually a whole lot of circumstantial stacked up in a row.
Not saying that is absolutely the case here. But airing everything out now rather than waiting to see what gets sprung from the GOP cesspool later is a better thing. In trial work, it’s called “sponsorship strategy,” getting the bad information out fully about your witness before the other side gets to spring it on cross-examination.
I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying. Are you arguing that the Rezko photo in this case is an example of something that “cuts both ways?”
Good job Raven
There are only two options come next January. Either a Republican or a Democratic president will be moving into the White House. It’s up to you to decide.
As much as the house deal troubles me-and folks you really DO want to click through to the MyDD piece. It’s obvious a lot of research hours went into it–the “committee Meetings” disturb me even more.
Rezko is just one bad guy. The Committee Meeting has all sorts of potenial. It’s an instinctive reaction, not per se based on fact. But if I were still a public corruption investigator I would want to know a lot more about those poker games.
Most pols take the money people give them and don’t do their due diligence how it was made.
Keith sez Hillary’s senior staff is going without pay this month.
Taken with the five million dollar personal loan, this is clear evidence the Clinton campaign expected the race to end yesterday.
You don’t want to have money left over at the end of a campaign, but your strategy can also account for unexpected extensions. As yesterday’s results clearly were.
Good work, LHP.
And thanks for giving specific mention to Obama’s gutting the Federal legislation he introduced on nuke plant leaks.
Nuclear leaks: from there to eternity.
Some dirt can’t be washed away.
i don’t think Obama’s parents’ characters are at issue, or should be. I don’t think JFK’s parents’ characters should have been an issue either.
I’m saying, if you are running as the character candidate , we kinda have an obligation to look at things that give us insights into that character
That’s one of the areas in which Ney got nailed — the poker game where he mysteriously won just enough money to pay off the exact amount of a credit card debt. Convenient, that.
Again, not saying that is the case with Obama — it could have been a Chicago netowrking thing. But the fact that it was a mix of lobbyists, power brokers and legislators does raise my desire to know more about it as well, I have to say.
Nope - since I have no idea what Senator Clinton’s contact with Rezko was … lots of folks take lots of photos so I see no reason to make a case about it.
What I was saying was that Senator Clinton raised the issue and then dropped it rather suddenly … I have no idea why and I’d like to know more.
The Chicago Tribune reports mention that Rezko was seen as a good guy in Chicago until his projects started to have problems and then his indictment - he was one of the few developers who were willing to invest in affordable housing and so had a lot of friends amongst “liberals” … he was also known to give campaign contributions widely.
Did the Clinton’s meet him when he was a “good guy” perhaps?
The Spidey senses are tingling.
That’s telling all by itself!
We are in this house, beginning to believe the time is fast approaching, if it’s not already here to ‘come together’ and indicate to each other that we need to support the nominee of our party. We cannot allow the Republicans and Rove to once again do their dirty and nasty work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJqNxKdgyqM
Christy, thanks. I have lurked here for over a year, donated financially to the Lake as well as many candidates we all support, and found great support and companionship here. I am VERY well aware of LHP’s background and many contributions to this site as well as to her community and clients.
Given that, I do agree that airing the laundry earlier rather than later is good. I would just suggest that we use facts, when they are available and not use the same tactics as the other side.
Well, sometimes everything you know is wrong. But there sure was a brouhaha about it at the time, and knowing what kind of thug Daley was I’m sure there’s some kind of truth in there somewhere.
The point is that politics is dirty business. Always has been, always will be, as long as there’s money to be made or stolen.
What we need is public financing of campaigns. Get the money out of it. The reason you hear so much in the media about who is raising how much money is because all of that money is going to the media.
A lot of this seems kind of iffy. I think that there is a case to be made that
Obama has a Rezko problem, and Rezko certainly seems sleazy, but you severely overstate the case with a lot of unsupported insinuations, and statements structured to imply greater guilt.
Let’s take your first bit: Obama interviews with Rezko. He gets a job offer,
and turns it down. You then say “but instead accepted more indirect appointment …”,
implying that somehow Obama needed a connection from Rezko to get a job, despite
the fact that he was a star. Why did you choose this phrasing? The president
of Harvard Law Review doesn’t need any help from Rezko to get a job offer at a small Chicago firm.
You then take an article that talks about poker games. The article says that Obama made stingy bets. Do you play poker? If you make small bets, and win, you win small amounts of money. You then say that “the segment highlighted, suggests that he DIDN’T lose”. Crap. What are you trying to imply here? Nothing says whether he won or lost; it says that he was cautious and stingy. Players who bet like that tend neither to win nor to lose; they’ll end up a hair up or a hair down. Put you go on to claim that losing at poker is a possible “beard” for the transactions, when your article you claim as support gives no evidence that Obama won significant amounts at poker!
The problem is that I think there are things that can be looked into here. But you write like a JFK conspiracy theorist, going way beyond the evidence. Obama’s long relationship with a sleazy character is something that we should know more about. But by enhancing the story as you do, you damage your credibility with me.
And then you treat it as a surprise that “Obama suddenly left Nevada” after the caucuses were over. What kind of crap is that? Why should he stay in Nevada after the caucus is over? To hang out in Las Vegas? The guy went home after a long period on the road.
I’m not saying by any of this that Obama is perfectly clean; I don’t know it for a fact. But your article is irresponsibly written.
(I voted for Obama, but Edwards was my guy. I don’t think he walks on water).
Terrific post LHP, and thanks for putting it up, though it really amounts to swimming upstream in this Obama personality hysteria that is going on. Personally, I mistrust the guy. He’s been on my radar for several years, since the Alito nomination, and not in a positive way. I’d like to find out I’m wrong, find out he’s a great candidate, but I’m seriously cynical. I still think he’s a player. And my heart sinks at the “dirty hands” that may come to light if he gets the nomination. Can we say “president McCAin?”
BTW, in Vermont we vote town meeting day, first Tuesday in March. I’m writing in the guy who didn’t get all the big money donations. John Edwards.
Correctomundo.
Christy - all reports that mention those poker games portray them as very small ante games that Obama participated in as he tried to overcome hostility to him as the too smart new guy from Harvard who pushed ethics reform. There may have been lots of stuff going on but I find the Abramoff and Ney references a bit hard to make the move towards since if I were an IL pol playing dirty, I’d love to nail the guy who got stricter ethics laws passed.
Overheard here today in the Kroger:
Two women talking about the primary. A certain amount of free-floating paranoia/concern about our voting process here in Georgia. (Some of which, regarding the stinking touch screen machines, I most certainly share.) Last line in the discussion before the topic changed:
Please understand that I’m reporting here. This is what I heard with my own little ears. I have absolutely no idea if this is a viewpoint shared in the wider community here in Savannah. Has anyone else anywhere heard anything like this? If the huge turnout that excitement over Obama’s candidacy evaporates if Hillary gets the nomination, where does that leave us?
[Mod Note; we’ll consider this a little reporter’s discretion.]
Bottom line to me
Will Hillary be a good progressive candidate
Will Barak be a good progressive candidate
I am hoping for the best with a half empty glass.
I forgot my manners-LHP thank you for your informative post that causes one to think and read more.
Being Ambassador to the Court of St James (Great Britain, under FDR)
allowed the ‘Old Man’ to ‘import’ only the best, no Bath-tub labels for him.
I hope you are right on that — I’m just saying I’d like to know more than the sketchy details that I’ve seen about them thus far.
Good post and I agree best to get it all out, but hasn’t all this been looked into at great length? If their is anything besides bad appearances I think Patrick Fitzgerald would have charged him. We all know he doesn’t play favorites. If the worst case against him is the land transaction I don’t think its enough to sink him.
P.S. I live in an urban area and let my neighbors use our property all the time. Technically their shed is on my lot. Am I guilty of something? I am not being snarky here, but a vacant lot used for parking? Not exactly high crimes…
Neither of them are my candidate. But I’ll give this to Hillary - you know where she stands. She votes, you may not like it, but that’s her position. I’ll take that any day over “present” or no show for important votes.
I’d also point to Obama’s partnership with Feingold to try to pass similar ethics legislation in Washington - see Feingold’s site here.
This seems an important point. The post discusses Obama’s letter in a context that suggests improper influence; Siun’s information suggests this was no more than routine constituent services.
Similarly, the story about the poker games in described in the context of how prosecutors have viewed instances in which such games were a cover for illegal payments, but it doesn’t show that that was the case here. Siun’s comment at 13 suggests this was harmless.
We don’t seem to know the truth, but there doesn’t seem to be proof of anything illegal, or even unethical without a context that may or may not be relevant. This looks like Oakland so far.
Campaigns should be completely free, all of it, and shorter.
I am all for vetting these shady deals in public. However, my biggest concern is not Rezko, it is that BO is less a Progressive then is popularly believed. He opposed closing the tax loop hole for hedge funds, supposedly because some of his associates are starting their own hedge funds. I watch his speak and find him likable enough. But I am wary of my candidate for President wanting to reach out to Republicans. I am concerned that he will make a compromise on Supreme Court nominations, a womans right to choose, rolling back tax cuts and defense funding. I don’t want somebody to make nice with the Republicans. I want someone who will stand up there and promise that they will investigate every possible misdeed of the last eight years and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. I do not think that is Barrack.
I never said friendship with a slumlord = crook. Don’t put a strawman argument in my mouth. I said that Obama is telling us to ignore the fact that he doesn’t have much of record to run on or much experience and instead to trust in his character.
That was the thrust of Caroline Kennedy’s argument on his behalf, ignore the