In her NyTimes OpEd endorsing the candidacy of Barack Obama, Caroline Kennedy tells us that rather than basing our decision on a candidates' stated positions on the issues or on their experience we should focus instead on his character.
Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates’ goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.
I have long been an admirer of Ms. Kennedy's and I think she has point. Problem is, Obama has a Tony Rezko problem. Actually a whole bunch of Tony Rezko problems. And a few other problems here and there which do not say very good things about his character or his sense of ethics or his ability to spot the appearance of impropriety. I include on that list the recent revelations about the legislation which he claims to have "passed" relating to leakage of nuclear material into drinking water.
REZKO
When Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review, Rezko interviewed him for a job working for one of Rezko's companies. Obama turned down the job, but instead accepted more indirect employment at the law firm representing a series of Rezko's not-for-profit partners in the series of transactions to build and rehab low income housing that are now the subject of federal indictment in Chicago which US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald described as "pay to play on steroids."
Obama was an attorney with a small Chicago law firm -- Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland -- that helped Rezmar get more than $43 million in government funding to rehab 15 of their 30 apartment buildings for the poor.
Resko got millions of dollars to build and rehab low income housing and according to the government, embezzled the money. The people in those houses had no heat, no water. They lived in squalor--many in Obama's State senate district. You could assume constituent complaints would have come in and Obama's law firm did the legal work for those government contracts and grants. Yet he denies knowing about it.
During this period, Rezko was mentoring him and raising money for him and hosting parties to introduce Obama to influential people.
When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, Rezko held a June 27, 2003, cocktail party in Rezko’s Wilmette mansion, picking up the tab for the lavish event. Obama’s campaign staff has said it has no records to show who attended that party, or how much it cost.
As an aside, Obama told the press that the total amount raised by Rezko for him over his career was only about $60,000, when the amount given by Rezko has been reported at $162,000 and change, and if you count the money Rezko bundled for him it goes even higher.
After he was elected to the Senate and while he was anticipating a large sum of money from his soon to be best selling book, Obama found his dream home. There is an extensively detailed post over at MyDD explaining the timeline of this purchase and just how "insider" it was. It's a real eye opener. Read to the end past all the maps and statistics.
There was a slight hitch in that Obama could not quite afford the asking price for the house which was situated on a large lot. According to MyDD, Michelle Obama used her position on the Chicago Landmarks Commission to facilitate the subdivision of the lot.
Barack Obama, for his part, went to Rezko for "advice" about how to buy a house he cannot afford and "poof" Rezko's wife pays full price for a portion of the property and Obama gets a discount on the house. A while later, he bought back 1/6 of the lot from her for 1/6 of the price she paid for it. How is that different from an interest free loan equal to the amount paid for that 1/6 of the lot? According to MyDD, Obama pays for the landscaping of the Rezko lot and may have been using it to park his cars because his neighborhood does not allow on street parking, in which case how is this different from rent free occupancy of the land?
Now comes the revelation: the Chicago Sun Times reported that Obama is mentioned in the federal criminal case against Rezko.
Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.
Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.
The COMMITTEE MEETINGS
Add to that this golden oldie from the Chicago Tribune.
Nowhere was Obama's ability to navigate Springfield's subcultures on better display than at The Committee Meeting. That was the code name for Wednesday night poker games attended by about a dozen lawmakers and lobbyists. Obama was a regular, and his stingy betting became a running joke with those at the table.
--snip--
An exception to his disciplined routine was the poker game held inside the headquarters of the Illinois Manufacturers Association, the big business lobby whose legislative goals often were at odds with those of liberals like Obama.
Handed a cigar and cocktail on the way in, players left a few hundred dollars richer or poorer. Obama played liked he legislated, "slowly, deliberately, cautiously," recalled Jacobs. [emphasis mine]
The ChiTrib doesn't explicitly say whether he won or lost. And I am certainly not suggesting he lost. To the contrary, the segment highlighted, suggests he DIDN'T lose.
One of the things that came out about Abramoff et al. was that they would invite Congress critters to play poker and wine and dine in a hotel suite that the lobbyist paid for, and then let them win. It was a way of passing money to them without leaving a paper trail. The Chicago events were hosted at the HQ of a lobbying organization, I think it's fair to assume that the cocktails and Cohibas were provided by the hosts and the article makes a point of saying that he was a stingy better and a cautious player--directly suggesting that he seldom lost. And what kind of message are you sending joking about the game being a "Committee Meeting"?
One of the reasons public corruption cases, at least the bribery part, are often so hard to prove is that the participants go to great lengths to have a "beard" for the transactions. Paying for vacations, losing at poker, doing repairs on the elected's house without any invoices, throwing business to the elected's (or their relative's) law firms or companies, regularly taking the elected out for very expensive meals is known as soft bribery. In the Bess Meyerson case, which the government lost, the bribe was a job for the judge's otherwise unemployable daughter.
Unless someone flips and gives you testimony, or unless, as in Operation Greylord, you have audio or video tapes, it's really really hard to get a conviction because there usually is not much of a paper trail. Since there wouldn't even be hotel records for the Chicago games, they are particulary fuzzy.
Back to REZKO
Unless there is testimony out there. Long ago when I was doing criminal cases, an unnamed source from the prosecution was called "a source close to the investigation" and a leak from the defense was called "a source familiar with the case." I don't know if the ChiSun uses those naming conventions, but it occurs to me that someone may have been trying to scare the pants off Obama. Interestingly, Obama suddenly left Nevada and flew back to Chicago on Sunday right after the caucuses.
If I'm the AUSA handling the case, I would assume (if I didn't know already) from that leak from the source "familiar with the case" that there is definitely somebody out there with testimony and I might even know who that person is and that this is the time to squeeze him. It's a sign that the defendants and suspects are considering turning on each other. Always a happy thing for the prosecution.
I don't know what Obama did to merit so much help from Rezko. The Chicago Sun Times reported that
As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens.
In that deal Rezko paid only $1 for the land. The rest of the deal, which included an $800,000 development fee paid to Rezko's company, was entirely financed by public money. There is also a much more minor incident involving giving an internship:
John Aramanda served as an intern for Obama for about a month in 2005, said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. His father is Joseph Aramanda, a Rezko business associate who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal corruption case against Rezko. Aramanda has contributed $11,500 to Obama since 2000, Gibbs said. “Mr. Rezko did provide a recommendation for John Aramanda..." [emphasis mine]
Was it simply enough that Obama didn't make waves about the lack of heat and deplorable conditions in the Rezko buildings situated within Obama's state senate district? I don't know. But I was struck by a comment Obama made in the debate on of the debates to the effect of "you know how Illinois politics are" or some such. Followed later on by
Nobody's hands are perfectly clean in politics. That is true. I mean, there a distinction, though, between not taking PAC and federal lobbyist money and having that as a major way of driving your campaign and having some ancillary involvement. [emphasis mine]
At the time, I wondered to myself, "where did that come from?"
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An excellent post, LHP!
It’s sad that the pursuit of higher office taints many… I think it has a detrimental effect by turning many off to the calling of public service…
Hell of a post looseheadprop.
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We will not get a perfect candidate. Who among us is perfect? In this house we will support the nominee of our Democratic party for the next president.
One reason I did not choose Obama was his very close ties with Rahm Emmanuel…
and Lieberman!
You should be judged on your character but also by the company that you keep… for a great video, check out Howie’s - here.
Thanks, LHP. The media hasn’t wanted to go here but you know the Republicans will so let’s have it out now.
I’ve always been suspicious of the notion that the GOP would rather run against Hillary than Obama. If that’s the case, Rezko would be on the front page of Drudge every day. Instead, it’s *crickets*.
I, too, will support the Dem nominee whoever that may be.
Didn’t Hillary help Lieberman get elected the last time?
Welcome to Chicago.
“Ancillary involvement” is probably tattooed on the skin of every Chicago-area politician of the last 100 years. I’m not usually one to deal in generalizations, but the political culture of Chicago is what it is. The best pols in Chicago can keep it at “ancillary”; the worst dive right into the cesspool with both hands out.
Lots to think about here, LHP. Lots.
Wow.
Obama needs to deal with and the Dems need to hash out this stuff now, so it will be old news by the time the general election comes around.
This cannot get traction for the very first time in the general
LHP - I’m curious how you make the jump from the poker reference to Abramoff - particularly given that Obama was the freshman state senator who fought for and won passage of significant ethics reforms in IL.
BTW, that article also mentions the poker games and notes the following which provides context on the poker games:
It is becoming apparent that Obama does have something in common with the late Ronald Reagan - a coat of teflon. Each new attack on his character seems to simply slide off him. Maybe the fact that the attacks are coming from Team Clinton has something to do with their lack of effectiveness. I think that most people realize that volumes could be written about the “deals” of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
There may be nothing substantial here, just as there wasn’t in Whitewater. But I sure wish that the mainstream media would investigate this thoroughly sooner than later, instead of setting the democrats for a fall after the nominee is chosen. Likewise, where is the $31 million coming from?
Thanks lhp. I’ve been wondering why the media has been silent on this and have also noted his statement about the perfectly clean hands. If he’s the one, I hope he can push back.
Not directly, considering she paid lip service to Lamont… FWIW… ;-)
This issue has been running in Chicago press (which is noticed nationally) for years … so far, the issue that seems most troubling is the house deal. If you read about the items like the letter recommending the housing development, you’ll see that all the area representatives and local housing groups sent similar letters since the development was seen as a positive.
The potential corruption issue is always important to dig into - for all candidates - which is why I spend a bunch of time reading back issues of the Trib (blergh)
yes, that is why my first choice was Edwards… but, even so - showing up to campaign for someone is less egregious(sorry, egy!) than being under LIEberman’s mentorship - no? I guess it’s debatable… but that is what I think.
Great post! And I agree that now is the time to deal with these issues.
A lot of pols who are not born with millions have little ‘problems’ early on:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....940527.htm
One reason I like John Edwards - he forcably removed his first millions from negligent corporations.
great post LHP.
No one is perfect, but there are some “character flaws” that are a whole lot worse than others. Same with some positions and some records.
So, when JFK got elected no one knew his old man was a bootlegger?
Quick disclosure:
I work in the futures and commodities industry.
This kind of return for an unsophisticated investor is somewhat less common than single Powerball winners.
Senator Clinton on Lieberman - youtube
I’d love to see both candidates show Lieberman the door.
Down in New Orleans (where I come from) that would be considered a plus.
Obama originally supported Lieberman until Ned Lamont arrived on the scene and then he campaigned for Lamont.
BOTH Clintons went out stumping for Lieberman until the end.
Its sad that you based your vote on misinformation…
Ah, for the good old days when those early indiscressions were not spoken about in polite company.
Hey Jacqrat….very nice.
And don’t forget that the Democrats stole the 1960 election with the help of the Chicago Democratic machine.
Or his dalliances that tarnish Camelot’s history… I just love Marilyn… Happy Birthday, Mr Prez…! ;-)
In my hometown of Detroit and adopted home Chicago as well.
Has Obama been asked in a debate about this relationship?
I know Hillary mentioned “your slumlord supporter Rezko” but then a picture surfaced of her and Bill with Rezko — which certainly doesn’t take the issue out of play in the fall, should Obama be the nominee.
After eight years of utter corruption, cronyism and rot, surely we’re not about to nominate someone about whom even a whiff of a case can be made on this account?
Wow. Great post LHP.
Darn right, hizzoner at his best! I’m the son and grandson of staunch Du Page County Republicans and I heard that from day one!
Maybe he’s a problem for both of them.
Senator ‘SnakeOil’ never supported Lamont in any meaningful way. Neither did the Clintons. That’s just not the way the ‘game’ is played in the Senate.
Great work LHP, but I suspect most of our political leaders have strayed from the straight band narrow. Ethics is a broad and deep problem throughout this country.
People lie, “network”… doesn’t that sound neutral and all, sleep their way up, marry up… most women would consider nothing less, cheat on exams, show favoritism to family and friends in biz assuming that merit comes second to blood.
We are a society obsessed with achievement and it compromises people’s behavior all the time. People are hired for the way they look (witness TV anchors who morph into talking head ref Noron) or who they are married too… witness Mrs Greenspan.
You dig in and you will find things people know that it is not on the up and up.
Obama is a man who wanted to have wealth and status and you can make it quickly on merit. Well it’s damn hard.
What he needs to do is come clean, AND point out the crap of some of our cleaner pols who are holier than thor. Remember all the finger pointing by the repukes who were having affairs at Clinton. Mr Livingston… ha. he left to lobby in DC. Like his ethics has nothing to do with anything. On to the next lucrative post.
They’re all creeps as far as I am concerned. We had the lovely Mrs Pirro and her mafia lying cheating husband and she had the balls to be a lead country prosecutor.
I shall know you by the friends you keep.
Wow, check out what the google brings
Then a word about the 1960 election. A current myth is that the Kennedys stole the election in Illinois and that Richard Nixon’s finest hour was his patriotic refusal to shake the republic to its foundations by contesting the result. In fact, Illinois was not crucial to Kennedy’s victory. Had he lost Illinois, Kennedy still would have won by 276 to 246 in the electoral college. And, if Mayor Richard Daley’s men stole votes in Cook County, Republicans stole votes down- state. The state electoral board, 4-1 Republican, voted unanimously to certify the Kennedy electors.
An associated myth is that Joseph P. Kennedy made a deal in the winter of 1959-1960 with a Chicago gangster named Sam Giancana to use the Mafia and trade unions under Mafia control to turn out the Chicago vote for his son. The elder Kennedy, the story goes, was well acquainted with Mafiosi because he had been a bootlegger himself in Prohibition days 30 years before.
It is true that Kennedy was a whiskey importer in the 1930s, but that was after repeal and entirely legal. During Prohibition, he had worked first as a broker for Hayden Stone and thereafter as a Wall Street speculator on his own. In the mid-1920s, he bought into a chain of movie theaters and soon went into film production. When would he have had time to be a bootlegger? Why would he have run the risk when he could make money easily and legally in Wall Street and Hollywood?
The Founding Father, Richard Whalen’s careful and critical 1964 biography, makes no such allegations, beyond noting that Joseph Kennedy produced Scotch for his classmates at their 10th Harvard reunion in 1922–hardly a damning incident. Professor Mark Haller of Temple University recently took the trouble of searching the comprehensive list of bootleggers in the intelligence files of the U.S. Coast Guard and found no mention of Joseph Kennedy. When Kennedy was up for Senate confirmation, first as a chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, then as chairman of the Maritime Commission, then as ambassador to the Court of St. James, no one suggested that he was an ex-bootlegger. Had he been one, he would not have been appointed or confirmed. Yet the bootlegger myth has become a staple of contemporary television shows and supermarket tabloids.
Sorry Siun, maybe I just assumed eveybody would get the Abramoff reference. It’s not a leap at all.
Abramoff as you may recall did his bribery often in subtle ways, He took his “friends” on all expense paid luxury vacations/ he took his “golfing buddies” to play at St. Andrews, on him, er, his clients
He and other lobbyists would rent out hotel suites and with free flowing liquor and food, “lose” at poker to people from Capitol Hill.
The “Committee Meetings” seem even more brazen in that they took place in the actual building of a lobbying organization and because of the name.
I liked Hill’s response, similar to Shrub’s Abramoff pixs, “We posed with many…” ;-)
Yes,but……Third Party…I know, I know impossible..nothing is impossible but here in America improbable.
And have been and ought to be
Sadly, Hillary fails that test too. She hangs around with scum like Mark Penn and Terry MacAuliffe(sp?). Hell, the only clean one I know is Feingold.
I kept looking for the other side of the story here, namely Clinton’s troubled financial dealings with Resko (and others). If you’re going to go down that path, do it right.
And McCain should be the last person on earth throwing any aspersions on another candidates’ finances.
Obama never campaigned for Lamont despite being asked. Hillary threw a fundraiser for him and contributed Wolfson. Bill stabbed him on Larry King.
Get your facts straight and stop drooling kool-aid.
Has any one asked Sell-out Harry what he thinks of Short Ride Joe palling around with McCain lately?
This all reminds me of Tricky and his buddy, Bebe Rebozo, and the toll bridge to Key Biscayne.
Could it be that Obama will at some point in time be pulling a Nixon using his famous “I am not a crook” line?
I think there’s some fear in raising corruption issues since they tend to cut both ways - as in the Rezko photo. If you look in the Chicago papers, you can find a ton of coverage and the Trib’s ongoing investigation which has been pretty intense.
It should also be noted that Obama has divested of all donations associated with Rezko, as Clinton has done with the donations associated with Hsu.
I don’t mean to be overly critical but I am tired of hearing this. I was ten years old when that happened. Maybe the republicans stole elections some other time, too. I don’t know. It seems that stealing the last two elections in a row would be much more relevant to the problems we face now. Plus, I don’t think that the dems did the kind of damage done by the neocons.
/rant
sorry
LHP, the Chicago Tribune, an extremely conservative newspaper, has dug into this with everything they’ve got. Jim Warren, who appears on MSNBC quite often, has said on numerous occasions that they have tried to find wrongdoing and nothing panned out. Yes, the house deal looks bad, but the rest is quite circumstantial. Friendship with slumlord = crook.
I know slumlords. Am I a crook?
Oh and they did hookers too, boys and girls.
Hee hee hee hee.
I vaguely remember this Lamont guy, wasn’t there a post or two about him here a while back?
/snark
Actually, no.
Obama supported Lieberman until he lost the primary. His support of Lamont was to the extent of sending an email to 5,000 supporters in Connecticut. He took a train through Connecticut, from New York to Boston, without stopping to campaign for or with Ned.
The Clintons also supported Lieberman until he lost the primary. Hillary lent strategist Wolfson to Lamont and donated $5,000 to his campaign. Bill went on Larry King to say that Democrats had it great in Connecticut, since clearly a Democrat would win, effectively undercutting the distinction Lamont was trying to make.
But it is incorrect to say that
HRC andBO supported Lieberman during the Democratic primary in CT.
In the general election, HRC raised money for Lamont and BO sent a blast email in support of Lamont.
The State of Illinois has a searchable database for checking on people who have contracts with the state of Illinois, and seeing to whom they and their companies have contributed (within the state, that is — not contributions to candidates for national offices). The database begins in 1999, and Rezko’s contributions — personally and by companies he controls — have gone to various folks, from local ward political groups up to and including the current governor and the speaker of the state house of representatives. It comes to around $220,000 from 1999 to date. (All Dems, which is to say, all from Chicago.)
I’m not saying these politicians are corrupt, nor Obama, but filling in the picture of Rezko as one who spreads political money around. A lot.
LHP - I was not clear. I understand the implication of your Abramoff discussion but I’m trying to see the evidence of Obama doing the same beyond the reports that he played poker cautiously. And given the feathers he ruffled as the young guy pushing ethics reform in the state legislature, I suspect we’d have heard quite a lot if he was crooked since there are a lot of IL pols who don’t like ethics reformers.
I think you’re making a leap it going from “he played poker” to “corruption”
Martha — You should know that LHP used to prosecute public corruption cases. And I have to say, they are almost always circumstantial. Just usually a whole lot of circumstantial stacked up in a row.
Not saying that is absolutely the case here. But airing everything out now rather than waiting to see what gets sprung from the GOP cesspool later is a better thing. In trial work, it’s called “sponsorship strategy,” getting the bad information out fully about your witness before the other side gets to spring it on cross-examination.
I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying. Are you arguing that the Rezko photo in this case is an example of something that “cuts both ways?”
Good job Raven
There are only two options come next January. Either a Republican or a Democratic president will be moving into the White House. It’s up to you to decide.
As much as the house deal troubles me-and folks you really DO want to click through to the MyDD piece. It’s obvious a lot of research hours went into it–the “committee Meetings” disturb me even more.
Rezko is just one bad guy. The Committee Meeting has all sorts of potenial. It’s an instinctive reaction, not per se based on fact. But if I were still a public corruption investigator I would want to know a lot more about those poker games.
Most pols take the money people give them and don’t do their due diligence how it was made.
Keith sez Hillary’s senior staff is going without pay this month.
Taken with the five million dollar personal loan, this is clear evidence the Clinton campaign expected the race to end yesterday.
You don’t want to have money left over at the end of a campaign, but your strategy can also account for unexpected extensions. As yesterday’s results clearly were.
Good work, LHP.
And thanks for giving specific mention to Obama’s gutting the Federal legislation he introduced on nuke plant leaks.
Nuclear leaks: from there to eternity.
Some dirt can’t be washed away.
i don’t think Obama’s parents’ characters are at issue, or should be. I don’t think JFK’s parents’ characters should have been an issue either.
I’m saying, if you are running as the character candidate , we kinda have an obligation to look at things that give us insights into that character
That’s one of the areas in which Ney got nailed — the poker game where he mysteriously won just enough money to pay off the exact amount of a credit card debt. Convenient, that.
Again, not saying that is the case with Obama — it could have been a Chicago netowrking thing. But the fact that it was a mix of lobbyists, power brokers and legislators does raise my desire to know more about it as well, I have to say.
Nope - since I have no idea what Senator Clinton’s contact with Rezko was … lots of folks take lots of photos so I see no reason to make a case about it.
What I was saying was that Senator Clinton raised the issue and then dropped it rather suddenly … I have no idea why and I’d like to know more.
The Chicago Tribune reports mention that Rezko was seen as a good guy in Chicago until his projects started to have problems and then his indictment - he was one of the few developers who were willing to invest in affordable housing and so had a lot of friends amongst “liberals” … he was also known to give campaign contributions widely.
Did the Clinton’s meet him when he was a “good guy” perhaps?
The Spidey senses are tingling.
That’s telling all by itself!
We are in this house, beginning to believe the time is fast approaching, if it’s not already here to ‘come together’ and indicate to each other that we need to support the nominee of our party. We cannot allow the Republicans and Rove to once again do their dirty and nasty work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJqNxKdgyqM
Christy, thanks. I have lurked here for over a year, donated financially to the Lake as well as many candidates we all support, and found great support and companionship here. I am VERY well aware of LHP’s background and many contributions to this site as well as to her community and clients.
Given that, I do agree that airing the laundry earlier rather than later is good. I would just suggest that we use facts, when they are available and not use the same tactics as the other side.
Well, sometimes everything you know is wrong. But there sure was a brouhaha about it at the time, and knowing what kind of thug Daley was I’m sure there’s some kind of truth in there somewhere.
The point is that politics is dirty business. Always has been, always will be, as long as there’s money to be made or stolen.
What we need is public financing of campaigns. Get the money out of it. The reason you hear so much in the media about who is raising how much money is because all of that money is going to the media.
A lot of this seems kind of iffy. I think that there is a case to be made that
Obama has a Rezko problem, and Rezko certainly seems sleazy, but you severely overstate the case with a lot of unsupported insinuations, and statements structured to imply greater guilt.
Let’s take your first bit: Obama interviews with Rezko. He gets a job offer,
and turns it down. You then say “but instead accepted more indirect appointment …”,
implying that somehow Obama needed a connection from Rezko to get a job, despite
the fact that he was a star. Why did you choose this phrasing? The president
of Harvard Law Review doesn’t need any help from Rezko to get a job offer at a small Chicago firm.
You then take an article that talks about poker games. The article says that Obama made stingy bets. Do you play poker? If you make small bets, and win, you win small amounts of money. You then say that “the segment highlighted, suggests that he DIDN’T lose”. Crap. What are you trying to imply here? Nothing says whether he won or lost; it says that he was cautious and stingy. Players who bet like that tend neither to win nor to lose; they’ll end up a hair up or a hair down. Put you go on to claim that losing at poker is a possible “beard” for the transactions, when your article you claim as support gives no evidence that Obama won significant amounts at poker!
The problem is that I think there are things that can be looked into here. But you write like a JFK conspiracy theorist, going way beyond the evidence. Obama’s long relationship with a sleazy character is something that we should know more about. But by enhancing the story as you do, you damage your credibility with me.
And then you treat it as a surprise that “Obama suddenly left Nevada” after the caucuses were over. What kind of crap is that? Why should he stay in Nevada after the caucus is over? To hang out in Las Vegas? The guy went home after a long period on the road.
I’m not saying by any of this that Obama is perfectly clean; I don’t know it for a fact. But your article is irresponsibly written.
(I voted for Obama, but Edwards was my guy. I don’t think he walks on water).
Terrific post LHP, and thanks for putting it up, though it really amounts to swimming upstream in this Obama personality hysteria that is going on. Personally, I mistrust the guy. He’s been on my radar for several years, since the Alito nomination, and not in a positive way. I’d like to find out I’m wrong, find out he’s a great candidate, but I’m seriously cynical. I still think he’s a player. And my heart sinks at the “dirty hands” that may come to light if he gets the nomination. Can we say “president McCAin?”
BTW, in Vermont we vote town meeting day, first Tuesday in March. I’m writing in the guy who didn’t get all the big money donations. John Edwards.
Correctomundo.
Christy - all reports that mention those poker games portray them as very small ante games that Obama participated in as he tried to overcome hostility to him as the too smart new guy from Harvard who pushed ethics reform. There may have been lots of stuff going on but I find the Abramoff and Ney references a bit hard to make the move towards since if I were an IL pol playing dirty, I’d love to nail the guy who got stricter ethics laws passed.
Overheard here today in the Kroger:
Two women talking about the primary. A certain amount of free-floating paranoia/concern about our voting process here in Georgia. (Some of which, regarding the stinking touch screen machines, I most certainly share.) Last line in the discussion before the topic changed:
Please understand that I’m reporting here. This is what I heard with my own little ears. I have absolutely no idea if this is a viewpoint shared in the wider community here in Savannah. Has anyone else anywhere heard anything like this? If the huge turnout that excitement over Obama’s candidacy evaporates if Hillary gets the nomination, where does that leave us?
[Mod Note; we’ll consider this a little reporter’s discretion.]
Bottom line to me
Will Hillary be a good progressive candidate
Will Barak be a good progressive candidate
I am hoping for the best with a half empty glass.
I forgot my manners-LHP thank you for your informative post that causes one to think and read more.
Being Ambassador to the Court of St James (Great Britain, under FDR)
allowed the ‘Old Man’ to ‘import’ only the best, no Bath-tub labels for him.
I hope you are right on that — I’m just saying I’d like to know more than the sketchy details that I’ve seen about them thus far.
Good post and I agree best to get it all out, but hasn’t all this been looked into at great length? If their is anything besides bad appearances I think Patrick Fitzgerald would have charged him. We all know he doesn’t play favorites. If the worst case against him is the land transaction I don’t think its enough to sink him.
P.S. I live in an urban area and let my neighbors use our property all the time. Technically their shed is on my lot. Am I guilty of something? I am not being snarky here, but a vacant lot used for parking? Not exactly high crimes…
Neither of them are my candidate. But I’ll give this to Hillary - you know where she stands. She votes, you may not like it, but that’s her position. I’ll take that any day over “present” or no show for important votes.
I’d also point to Obama’s partnership with Feingold to try to pass similar ethics legislation in Washington - see Feingold’s site here.
This seems an important point. The post discusses Obama’s letter in a context that suggests improper influence; Siun’s information suggests this was no more than routine constituent services.
Similarly, the story about the poker games in described in the context of how prosecutors have viewed instances in which such games were a cover for illegal payments, but it doesn’t show that that was the case here. Siun’s comment at 13 suggests this was harmless.
We don’t seem to know the truth, but there doesn’t seem to be proof of anything illegal, or even unethical without a context that may or may not be relevant. This looks like Oakland so far.
Campaigns should be completely free, all of it, and shorter.
I am all for vetting these shady deals in public. However, my biggest concern is not Rezko, it is that BO is less a Progressive then is popularly believed. He opposed closing the tax loop hole for hedge funds, supposedly because some of his associates are starting their own hedge funds. I watch his speak and find him likable enough. But I am wary of my candidate for President wanting to reach out to Republicans. I am concerned that he will make a compromise on Supreme Court nominations, a womans right to choose, rolling back tax cuts and defense funding. I don’t want somebody to make nice with the Republicans. I want someone who will stand up there and promise that they will investigate every possible misdeed of the last eight years and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. I do not think that is Barrack.
I never said friendship with a slumlord = crook. Don’t put a strawman argument in my mouth. I said that Obama is telling us to ignore the fact that he doesn’t have much of record to run on or much experience and instead to trust in his character.
That was the thrust of Caroline Kennedy’s argument on his behalf, ignore the other stuff and concentrate on his judgement and character.
Opposing the war and opposing land mines are examples of good judgement on his part.
Voting to fund the war, voting present during votes relating to a woman’s right to choose, hanging out at poker games in a lobbyist’s stronghold while imbibing the lobbyists’ liquor and cigars, APPROACHING a guy already publicly known to be under federal investigation for fraud and asking that guy for help in buying a house you cannot afford–and then accepting the equivalent of both an interest free loan and a rent free use of the the property the guy bought to help you out with your PERSONAL FINANCIAL transaction?
Examples of bad judgment and lack of character
You mean like Tom Perry who supports the Swift Boat Scumbags and Rick Noriega?
Precisely … I’ve spoken to contacts here who know the local legal scene and they think the house deal was stupid but don’t see him as “dirty” and the Trib has been gunning for him (and a Pulitzer perhaps) for several years and can’t find wrongdoing. I’m not saying it’s not there, I’m saying the references we have don’t prove anything and I prefer to be more cautious with assumptions.
You figure Hillary is going to do that? right
kiddo has fled the scene upstairs. He wants to watch a movie he says. Five will get you ten he’ll be asleep by the time I get up there. Oh well, that’s normal for here. kiddo sleeps and I watch the movie. And then we snuggle.
Night all…
L.
An okay instinct for a prosecutor. That would suggest that the next step would be discreet investigation to determine whether suspicions were warranted. Are you suggesting that should happen?
peace out Lahoma
I am saying that if we are suspicious of it and critical of it when Republicans do it. The same standard has to apply to Dems.
I got into a terrible fight with Blue Tex a while back b/c I am a very hard ass when it comes to double standards.
Snuggling is good! Snuggle warm and safe, L.
Not to mention we are foolish to think the republics aren’t going to investigate this to death. Might as well find out all there is to know about it now.
Personally I think ALL the candidates should get the dirty laundry now. HC is always talking about being “fully vetted” like she is trying to telegraph something about Obama. Either come out with it or not. I have to vote next week and really want to know if there is a reason not to vote for him.
I would also like to see her have full discussion about all issues she might have. Hsu, donations to Bill’s library and aid foundation, etc. Get it all out now before the general so none of us have buyer’s remorse in the fall.
I’ll vote for her if she does! Something she can talk about during the FOX debate. She can tell Karl she is coming after him for outing a CIA agent, you are right, never happen…..but what if?
Good job, LooseheadProp! We need to know about the candidate’s potential problems…and to that end, here:
http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....upporters/
Hsu has been indicted. I think he’s still a fugitive, but he may have “come in”. Not sure. But his trial could well crank up in the middle of the campaign, and if we nominate Clinton, the GOP, of course will do all it can to make that happen.
And, of course, there are photos of her schmoozing with Hsu. As I assume there are of Barack meeting with Rezko.
I think this one’s about a wash, as far as voter liabilities go.
I think all pols are compromised to their eyeballs.. well almost all of them.
Hopefully the spotlight will encourage them to act properly… fat chance.
the moon were made of green cheese?
LHP, I think I’m just going to respectfully disagree with you on some points. (Such as the voting “present” issue…)
I think sometimes I’m way too pragmatic and realistic about how life works, events intersect, and what we all need to do to satisfy our employers, employees, and yes, our constituents. I’d actually like to recapture some idealism.
LHP - the same standard should apply to all sides and all candidates. And they should be carefully investigated and proven or disproven.
Choochmac is precisely right - let’s “vet” everyone. And that includes Kazakh nuclear deals as well as attempts to pass nuclear warning legislation.
Highly opinionated… However, I feel it is a necessary evil in determining our next Prez… Double standards should be exposed when they arise…
Yea, and then the Buddah can run against Jesus.
CT what up?
Haven’t had a chance to read thru all the comments, and won’t be able to till after dinner, but I wonder if this has come up: the “mistaken” votes - there was one gambling related vote as an Illinois Senator - legislation in which Rezko had an interest. Obama said he opposed the legislation, but he mistakenly voted for it. My understanding is that there was a green butten for yes, red button for no. He voted green button, a vote favorable to a Rezko gambling enterprise. Then, when the vote passed, he in writing recanted his vote, putting on record that he opposed it. He has also mentioned in his campaign that he “vocally opposed” this gambling thing - whatever it was; when in fact his vote helped it to pass.
So, sure, taken by itself, it means nothing. But put together with everything else, a pattern is there to see.
Yeah, it kinda sucks sometimes when the ethics and consistent application of standards whips back and bites us on the a**.
But it still is better than the alternative. And one of the things I learned very early in my Quality Assurance career was to avoid even the hint of impropriety or conflict of interest. We used to laugh when the section commander would remind us that we had to be very visible in turning over the coffee cup and putting in a couple of dollars before having coffee and donuts at meetings.
But by doing so, it also sent the message to the contractor and the folks from the buying activity.
There’s a lot of innuendo in this piece that I find problematical, actually.
“You could assume constituent complaints would have come in and Obama’s law firm did the legal work for those government contracts and grants. Yet he denies knowing about it.”
But there is an issue of the time-line here, isn’t there. People would complain to the PREVIOUS State Senator (perhaps…or a City Councilman, or previous Federal Representative) but they might not complain to a future State Senator…or his law firm. In fact, Rezko and his maintenance office might have kept the issue sealed off from any law firm representing them. At least until someone sued. So is Obama’s firm involved with representing Rezko in Court?
“During this period, Rezko was mentoring him and raising money for him and hosting parties to introduce Obama to influential people.When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate, Rezko held a June 27, 2003, cocktail party in Rezko’s Wilmette mansion, picking up the tab for the lavish event. Obama’s campaign staff has said it has no records to show who attended that party, or how much it cost.”
This is pretty common for fledgling politicians. I don’t think it’s even required to keep a list of attendees at functions. They should record in-kind contribution levels, but very often don’t.
“As an aside, Obama told the press that the total amount raised by Rezko for him over his career was only about $60,000, when the amount given by Rezko has been reported at $162,000 and change, and if you count the money Rezko bundled for him it goes even higher.”
This suggests that Obama is lying. But Obama has given the figure that Rezko and his wife have donated. The larger numbers includes employees, friends of Rezko, and even money raised at events like the above.
“There was a slight hitch in that Obama could not quite afford the asking price for the house which was situated on a large lot. According to MyDD, Michelle Obama used her position on the Chicago Landmarks Commission to facilitate the subdivision of the lot.”
Was the house a city landmark? Or did she simply speak with someone (a city employee that anyone could approach about the same issue) about what could be done about reducing the size of the acreage on the property that was legally subdivisible?
“Rezko’s wife pays full price for a portion of the property and Obama gets a DISCOUNT on the house. A while later, he bought back 1/6 of the lot from her for 1/6 of the price she paid for it. How is that different from an interest free loan equal to the amount paid for that 1/6 of the lot?”
It’s not. But it’s not a “discount” on the house/lot…he’s paying the same price she paid for it. Maybe Michelle should have gotten a “finders fee” for the 5/6ths of the lot that Rezko retained?
“According to MyDD, Obama PAYS FOR the landscaping of the Rezko lot and MAY HAVE been using it to park his cars because his neighborhood does not allow on street parking, in which case how is this different from rent free occupancy of the land?”
When I was a kid we used to play baseball on an empty lot on the corner of my street. It was an eyesore and some people placed a couple of benches and would clean up the trash on it. How is that not “rent free occupancy” of the land?
This stuff is absurd!
Agreed — this was exactly the kind of scrutiny we applied to folks in the Plame case. I think it’s safe to say the GOP will be doing the same.
Agreed.. The Kzaakh article bothered me a great deal.
How can you disagree about his voting record, it is there in black and white. He did not vote on keys issues regarding women’s reproductive rights.
EXACTLY!!! A guy like Obama doesn’t even consider going to a sleazy firm like this. Why wasn’t he as some white shoe firm. A guy with his resume from law school doesn’t need a firm like that.
Drying out after receiving 4 Ft of rain within the past 72 hrs… It’s still cloudy with some intermittent rain… I’m sure ya’ll could’ve used a foot or so of it, eh? ;-)
I must have missed the part where LHP said to give Hillary a pass. Because I think she means it when she says that double standards ought not exist for either side — it’s a prosecutor thing, we don’t like double standards, unsubstantiated allegations, or things that smell funny. And we like to dig and dig until we get all the answers.
No shit, that huge storm blew through here in about an hour today.
I’m really happy to see this post, and don’t think raising the issue is absurd at all. To paraphrase Biden, every sentence out of GOP Nominee if Barack is on the D side will contain a noun a verb and Rezko.
It seems very suspicious to me.
My middle name, I feel like an asshole a lot because at 66 I am still filled with that word
Consider it as a result of all the tactics that people are tired of (even people of color). I have heard people in my family speak very poorly of hillary because of what they perceive as a white woman (through her politics, political pundits, etc) pitting people of color against one another. It is a sad commentary that it has deteriorated to that kind of thought.
As for the whole Rezko situation, there are always three sides to the story; his side, her side and the truth. At the moment, I take him at his word and I’m not going to read this as biased or anything along that line. Thank you for your work and let’s keep the discussion of issues going.
“Now comes the revelation: the Chicago Sun Times reported that Obama is MENTIONED in the federal criminal case against Rezko. Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 COURT document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.”
It’s pretty clear that the AG’s office didn’t find any wrong-doing by the “unnamed politician”. Obama got “down road” money from someone that obtained that money illegally. Did Obama know that it was illegally obtained. I can’t see any mention of that.
BTW Fitz is mentioned in the Libby Court documents, so is Valerie Plame Wilson. Ergo they are guilty.
Man, this is REALLY STRETCHING IT LHP!
Then you get into the poker game stuff where you “suggest” all sorts of corrupt practices “could” occur (and therefore MUST HAVE occurred).
You can indict a ham sandwich too, eh?
If you go looking for sh*t you will have no trouble finding it.
That’s what closets are for, to keep skeletons.
Agreed. But then I can’t vote for either of them and McCain wins. Missing and suddenly appearing billing records, last minute pardons, etc. Not trying to cast stones, I’m just saying none of these politicians are squeaky clean.
I was trying to rebut paragraph by paragraph but the site keeps hanging up for me. And I am falling WAYY behind in reading the subsequent comments.
I stand behind my belief that someone as bright as Obama HAD TO KNOW how bad those poker games looked. There is a phrase used in government ethics (and until recently I sat as a voting member on a government ethics commsion) there is an actual legal standard called
“Appearance of impropriety”
The mere fact of these games, and their cheeky nickname “committee meetings” (committe of what? to do what?) certainly meets that standard.
This comment took almost 10 minutes to do with the screen freezing and all. I may not be able to get too many more done
This entire thread is a fruitless exercise in smear. Any set of “facts” can be spun into a web of deceit. GIVE IT A REST!
Any dealing with the “stan” dictators creeps me out - and deals for fissile materials creep me out still more.
Yet I hope my external gonads don’t disqualify me from the following concern:
By going after HRC for Big Dog’s skanky dealings, are we joining a very sexist paradigm?
(this, of course, is only valid if HRC was ignorant of the Kazakh deal beforehand).
If we’re gonna judge HRC on her (powerful male) spouse’s ethics, why should we not judge her on the crusty blue dress as well?
After reading the ‘Landmines’ post and this one and the accompanying comments, I am not ready to condemn or exhonerate either one of these candidates.
What I am going to do is to look into both of these matters more thoroughly.
I thank the authors of both of these posts for bringing these matters to my attention.
It is?
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I was thinking the very same thing when I read your post. A Harvard Law Review member would have likely gone to a much more prestigious firm.
I completely agree with the need to avoid a double standard. Recall, when confronted with the Rezko connection in one of the debates, Obama said he worked for the firm that represented Rezko and he would be surprised if he billed 5 hours on Rezko matters. Your post makes clear that Obama’s debate statement is inaccurate.
Marion - I worked at an elementary school where the staff is about 10% white, the rest is very mixed in terms of race and ages… now, granted, it’s mostly women, but most certainly my friends were all over the place in terms of support (and didn’t follow “conventional wisdom” all that closely)… all understand that putting a Democrat in the White House is the most important issue…
I’m not sure the conversation you heard is all that typical.
But you are missing the big point. That is, that scooter did not help to buy the Plame Wilsons or Patrick Fitzgerald an upscale house. Nor did he finance any of their endeavors, that I have heard anything about. The same is not true of Rezko and Barack Obama. That is troubling, and at least on the basis of appearance, looks wicked fishy.
Easy, big fellow, that is a severe misrepresentation…
But it is instructive and an engine for discussion and in this case a very civil one that actually discusses something without any, well fuck you too scenarios that lead nowhere and accomplish bupkes
Wish someone would write a post about the Keating scandal. There are many here who probably are not old enough to really remember it. Old John is dirty in that one. Needs to be talked about. Thanks for a great post LHP.
Yup.
Accountability: live it, love it!
I hope, with all my heart, that you’re right. Whew! Now I think I’ll sleep a bit easier tonight.
Siun, your anecdotal reassurances are cute, but somehow I feel that even you wouldn’t buy them if they were offered in Hillary’s defense. The housing deal was clearly more than just being stupid. If Obama felt compelled to comment on Hillary’s WalMart deal, his sweetheart housing deal with Rezko bears a lot more scrutiny than asking what people locally feel. I think that Fitzgerald’s mention of Rezko’s political contact is dangerous.
Actually all I am trying to do, is get this stuff out now, on Dem terms.
Christy mentioned it above, it is trial tactics 101: Whatever problems your witness has, the jury better hear it from your side before the other side can play gotcha.
Obama would be a fool to think that the Rovians won’t go after him with this yet he has done virtually nothing to innoculate against it
Exactly!
You mean the one that made money for the few who had the bill sent to the many…man, we pay and pay and pay
This entire thread is a fruitless exercise in smear.
Easy, big fellow, that is a severe misrepresentation…
Man, glad Duke Carolina is on in 15 minutes.
Wow. I obviously was raised by wolves. I got a perfectly good degree from Berkeley, was close to the top of my class. (Not a lawyer or MBA though.) And I went to work for a non-profit organization making $12K a year. Why, oh why would anyone make that choice when they could cash in?
To be fair, one of the reasons that Obama has given was that the firm was doing civil rights work in neighborhoods that needs the work to be done. And, as an idealist who came out of law school hoping to make a difference myself, I can certainly see that as a pull to join a firm. I just don’t know enough about that particular firm personally to assess whether that reason holds water…or whether it doesn’t. But I would like to know which is true and which isn’t.
The Kazakh deal is important because it opens up an avenue for corruption…certainly “the appearance of impropriety” just like this Rezko situation does for Obama. What most concerned me about the article was that Bill planned to continue to do the same thing if Hillary was in the WH. That’s a big problem. If you look at where the $5M loan to the campaign came from, I am pretty certain it’s Bill’s speaking fees and advisory work, not comp from the Rose Law firm.
If it were substantial it seems the Tribune would have been full of it,
but this thread is the first I have seen of the Rezko matter. That said,
no harm in getting the thing aired out here because who could have
believed the Swiftboaters would succeed in smearing Kerry. Dig through
it, make it old news, if it is not news.
Comments are not appearing. The site is slow. The weather is weird.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
Go, Tar Heels… ;-)
Carolyn … do you have a link for that since the vote is mentioned in several articles but not that description and I’d like to see that a lot.
I do think she has a point (see Edwards and all the other cadidates we project onto). It is sad at the same time that its basically….give up on policy and positions - you are not going to get anything you want.
I really think we are going to be kissing the south end of the horse this November no matter what. Hey who knows maybe policy and progression will take over some day… but it appears usually we go down once it starts (see Bush activities wrt Consitition).
As for the scandels they all have enough to fill up a bible. I will grit my teeth and vote for the Dem in Nov assuming no new scandels that shock me away from the candidate. Hell if people even had a wiff of some of what these folks had done I think they would all stay home (Obama: this scandle, Clinton: Walmart Corp Lawyer - to me a put off, whatever else).
God knows what has been done on the R side, just look at all the crimes and coverups of Bush when he was just a kid.
Clinton is more vetted than Obama, but with people ignorance of many of the issues we are going to hear the old favorites for all the candidates - and perhaps something new.
Go good game, I don’t like either one but I love the game.
yea, go tar heels. My daddy went to chapel hill.
The Tribune has been full of it. Google is your friend. I’m just saying…
Nice summation of your report. It is a great disservice to the democratic party if Obama doesn’t get vetted thoroughly before the general election; that is if he were to be the democratic nominee.
Better get off this lest I get scolded!
I read FDL because it has been a place where the standards of investigation and analysis rose above the levels of conspiracy theorists, guilt by association and innuendo, and the tactics of the right-wing talk radio hosts and bloggers.
Suddenly it’s dropped to that level…”because that’s what we’ll get from the other side”.
This posting is filled with accusations based on innuendo….and embellishes things like Obama PAYING FOR someone to cleanup vacant lots next to his house as “paid for a landscaper” and “rent free occupancy”.
This is the same sort of cr*p that Michelle Malkin did to the Fry family…’The kids go to a school with $25,000 tuition…a house on the same street sold for a half million dollars…”
Quite frankly, it’s Swiftboating. And to defend it by saying that “Well the Repugs are gonna use it” so it justifies using it by Clinton (or Edwards) supporters simply makes NO SENSE!
Or from the last thread here with Clinton voting Pro cluster bombs/land mines and Obama against.
Maybe a policy throw-down will break out.
FDL leads the way!
LHP - what makes this a “sleazy” firm … they represented nonprofits in Chicago who were involved in affordable housing. This is the sort of statement you really need to back up because no one has identified them as a “sleazy firm”
I don’t have any problem with the motive. Explaining what has been said/written, and what we know or don’t know about it, is fine. Going beyond that is problematic.
With all due respect to our former prosecutors, I’d suggest that if, in the course of your jobs, you found a suspicious set of facts that seemed to warrant further investigation, it would be expected that you follow up with investigation. You wouldn’t use a blog, however, to lay out your suspicions, would you?
I’ll get on it, just seems if the Tribune had conclusions to offer it
would have made MSM news by now, but I need to get up to speed on this.
Thanks.
Folks, I have trouble finding an FDL thread where med issues come up and commenters don’t excoriate docs who hang with drug comapny reps.
We docs may be responsible for a few hundred - at most a few thousand - patients.
When I frequently read (and share) the concerns that a few meals and pens can corrupt my behavior that drug reps must be banned from my office, I’m unable to comprehend why we’d have lesser cocnerns about who hangs out with a man who seeks the Oval Office.
I can only kill a few dozen people before the Medical Board would catch on. Through enviro regs alone, POTUS can sicken and kill tens of thousands.
Well, I guess this is what superdelegates are for.
I think new better and aggressive congress is key to making progress out of current mess, so which Democratic candidate gets elected is secondary.
I do agree with commenters who said that vulnarability to real or trumped up scandals is price paid for over reliance on character and personality in presidential elections. More focus on issues and policy better.
Thank you for the clarification, although I was responding to the incredulity another commenter was expressing about the connections LHP was making and how an argument could be made that there was another reason for going to the firm that related to Rezko. I too went to work for a firm that was not an environment I would have otherwise chosen in order to represent clients in matters that were important to me. I respect Obama’s work for civil rights and assisting people who lost jobs due to the downsizing of the auto industry.
Similar situation with Rudy here in NY. The guy was such a slime and so many nasty local stories about him. Yet, in my experience, people outside of NY had never heard them. As they trickled out, and as people got to see more of the man, his star plummeted.
Obama’s star seems to rise as people get to know him, so dynamic is different. But I was pretty much clued out about Rezko other than the donations bit. Hadn’t heard much more that I gave credence to.
That said, I also work in the commodities industry and the cattle futures thing was always, um, shady to me. Powerball is right.
In defense of LHP, I think this should be laid out. I do have problems with some of the characterizations as it was written, but it is valuable to get it aired out now.
So a foucus on policy reveals scandals better than a focus on character and personality, really?
I have heard things from both sides on this thread. What I want are sources for all of the info thrown about this evening.
Remember! Don’t eat your own.
Ahmen to that!
No, because as you know, prosecutors are prohibited from doing that sort of thing with a case they are trying because of ethical restrictions in trying a case in public. However, as this is a public forum, with public facts, regarding a public political figure, and neither LHP nor I are prosecuting the case…discussing issues that in either of our experience would raise questions is what we do. And what I did all through the Libby case, and the Abramoff indictment lead-up, and any number of other cases.
Democrats don’t get a pass. And, contrary to cinnamonape’s accusations of “hit piece,” it’s called vetting — what our side and the other side does all the time. It’s better that we do it honestly, and as thoroughly as possible. Because otherwise, the issues in question come out as selective leaks with only half-truths and not nearly as much information being presented…and the media runs with them exactly as they are faxed. Having background information out is better than hiding it and pretending it doesn’t exist and hoping those scary old Republicans will be kind enough to not use every bit of dirt they can gin up…including everything we hope will just go away.
If there is a case, the prosecutors should file it.
You asked “So is Obama’s firm involved with representing Rezko in Court?”
The firm were Obama was a junior associate did not represent Rezko, they represented the nonprofits and church groups involved in these deals. From my time in New Haven, I know those are not necessarily vouchers of purity but let’s keep the specific facts clear.
Excerpt from a Women for Obama letter this week in MN, mirroring another in New York:
I’m still an Edwards fan, but fair is fair.
FYI - I just googled the law firm he worked for and it seems to be full of Ivy League types, the random sampling of three resumes included Brown University, University of PA, and Yale. So it does not seem likely that is truly a sleazy law firm at first glance, I would think.
http://www.lawmbg.com/index.cfm/PageID/2746
4 delegate difference I think now so maybe the talk of who is winning can stop and policy start - ITS A TIE!
Maybe down to 3 delegates now looking at the next post:
New post has been published - Lieberman Has “Superdelegate” Status Stripped Because of McCain Endorsement
Hi Mary … I have quite a file of links and sources I’d be happy to share with you. I’ll pull it together into a word doc and folks can email me if they’d like it. (christina underscore siun at mac dot com)
Agreed. If it’s a fair ethical standard we’re making the argument for here it should apply to everyone, not just the people we don’t like.
I think LHP has been very consistent from Plame to this case, and her background gives her insight into what’s going on that intellectually honest people who enjoyed our Plame coverage should respect, even if they don’t like some of the implications.
The appropriate response is, in that instance, to argue point-for-point, just like we did over Plame for years. Not attempt to shut down the inquiry.
“Obama paid $1.65 million for the doctor’s mansion, while Rezko’s wife paid $625,000 for the vacant lot next door. Obama’s purchase price was $300,000 below the asking price; Rezko’s wife paid full price.
Six months later, Obama paid Rita Rezko $104,500 for one-sixth of the vacant lot, which he bought to expand his yard. In November 2006, he expressed regret about the transaction.
“It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else,” Obama said, “to believe that he had done me a favor.””
$1.65 mill for a mansion? That’s a lot of money for a first-time senator to drop. Ralph Nader looks so much more appealing.
And it is interesting that he considers it “a mistake to have been engaged” in a “personal business dealing” with Rezko, and not that he managed to buy a house for a lot less than it was worth and that he subsequently got additional adjacent land at a convenient price. I also was not previously aware that Rezko was of Syrian origin; I had assumed all along that he was Black.
Hillary AND Obama both facilitated Lieberman’s relection. She and Bill didn’t come to CT personally - although they donated. But Obama avoided the state like the plague. He had a book signing in NY one day and two days later needed to be in Mass…but even though CT is smack dab inbetween the two locations and he had a “free” day, he was a no-show. Then he got pissed when a last minute e-mail he prepared was sent to 5,000 because he only wanted it to go to 500 people.
With friends like that….
Actually, I think the situation is quite different from the Fry family. Obama is running for President, the Fry family offered themselves as an example in a policy dispute.
I do think that this fact pattern is at least suspicious. I don’t know much more about it than that. Even if it is more, I doubt it changes my mind about the primary. Regardless, I already cast my vote for Obama. And voted for Hillary for Senate in 2006.
John Edwards for President — Leadership based on Experience You Can Believe In!
I also say GIVE IT A REST! Enough! I’ve been around many years hoping someone would come on the scene that I could believe in. Someone that would help get rid of the “cancer of hate” that is corrupting our society. Let’s let the hate-mongers on the other side engage in the effort to demonize Obama.
Oh yeah - NARAL. Are they still backing Sen Short Ride?
But the Obamamanics won’t hear of vetting him on this now - when the Dems can ask the questions. They dismiss it out of hand and, I guess, plan to deal with it IF they have to deal with it.
Sounds like there is something there!
It is my understanding that he had already written one best selling book and had just gotten the advance for the last book which is where a lot of the money came from. Nothing sinister in that angle. If there is some evidence that Rezko paid extra money (beyond the value of the lot) to the seller, that would look bad indeed. But I have heard of no such reports. Anyone?
I believe the context this comment was offered in was rhetorical.
Great post LHP. It appears that you have wandered into the thicket, and there are all kinds of bugs around looking to bite. But, this was a story that needed to be written. And, I much rather read it from you all at FDL than any number of other MSM outlets for obvious reasons. The time to deal with this is now. It does not matter what anyone else has done, or may do. Each candidate has to stand on their own merits. References to JFK are meaningless. Since they are unable to write about the issues, the only thing the MSM seems able to report are references to candidates and their presumed character. Time to drag out the dirty laundry, wash it, and air it out to dry. Make it old news before a brokered convention. It’s Obama’s best hope to make it irrelevant.
Thanks for writing this.
Even if I’ve raised them on 100% organic food and they have “free-range” yard privileges?
Sheesh - I’ll never get the hang of parenthood.
If you mean why did Obama go to work for a firm that he was clearly overqualified for? This firm has had a spotty ethical history (one of the law firm’s partners left to become a partner of Rezko’s)
It’s not like he was doing something altruistic by joining this firm. It’s not like he went to work for the SCLU or Legal Aid.
I don’t think it equates with your not-for-profit service. BTW, Brava
Well given that the accusations as written are very clearly based on no actual facts of Obamas malfeasance at all…I suppose it would be interesting to find out just who is behind all of this.
There is really only one thing here…an association between Obama and Tony Rezko as a contributor. That issue was very likely investigated by Federal Prosecutors when it indicted Rezko. They don’t seem to have found any evidence that the “unnamed politician” (again we are assuming it’s Obama…but could be someone else…but lets assume it was Obama) was at all involved. It’s of no more substance than if Rezko (actually his employee) had gone out and used those assets to buy a limo. Is the car dealer guilty for accepting funds that they aren’t aware are the result of embezzlement?
In fact, how is Obama going to be ionvolved in DIRECTING those funds to Rezko at all? He isn’t on the Committee disbursing the money. Wouldn’t Rezko benefit more in bribing THOSE who decide where the money is disbursed?
In the cases I’ve read about his applications the money that was applied for were actually to renovate housing and to build structures that WERE very much needed in the community. That Rezko turned out to be a slimeball and ultimately embezzled money doesn’t mean those that supported the projects are equally slimeballs and embezzlers. That, quite frankly, is an insult to those in the Community who also supported the projects…those that actually needed them. Much of Obama’s support is from that same community…and I find it utterly implausible that people in that community would have gone to him and complained about waterless and powerless apartments and that they would support him to this very day.
Sorry, but these are strawman arguments. No one here is arguing for double standards, as Christy’s second papagraph suggests; no one here is attempting to “shut down the inquiry.” And i agree that FDL should air out charges that are out there to see if there is anything to them.
Suppose I, as a non-prosecutor, write: “Here is a set of circumstances that looks suspicious, but I can’t tell whether there was actually anything illegal or not. But because it looks suspicious, we should expect it will be brought out and discussed. Here’s what we know and what we don’t know.”
or . . .
Suppose I, as a former prosecutor write: “Here is a set of circumstances that looks suspicious, and I can tell you as a former prosecutor that whenever I see that, it’s usually illegal, and after all, look what happened with [unrelated case X], where it was illegal.”
I’m fine with the first presentation; not so much with the second. Perhaps it’s a distinction without a difference, but it seems different. I believe the motive for this post was the first.
“Dirty Laundry” by Don Henley…’I make my living on the evening news…’ utube.
Let’s see, the repukes have a Rovian list of dirty dem laundry waiting for the general. Why not have a True Confession night… I was in a Mosque when I was 2. Or I made a 1000% profit on a 6 month investment…help me out here folks let’s take a bathand clean up our D act…is that at all possible? Obama those cigars Rezko gave me I didn’t inhale.. I believe in plasma, such a lonesome world.
Thanks Siun…from LHP’s post THAT was NOT clear at all…and makes these accusations even more spurious in my opinion.
Not true. See my post further up - Obama did little to support Ned and actually managed to avoid stepping foot in CT even though he had to travel from NY to Mass…and had a free day in between!
Did you see Lieberman laughing it up with McCain last night on the plane…he is all their pockets as in hedging the Isreali lobby bets.
Ed,
I have no idea how old you are and how long you’ve been on the scene. But I was a true believer in George McGovern in 1972, standing as a delegate in the local caucuses in my hometown in Kentucky and voting for him.
I cheered when the convention nominated him officially and thought it was a great ticket when he stood up on the podium with his chosen running mate, Thomas Eagleton.
And then watched it all fall to shit a couple of days later when the info about Eagleton’s “mental treatments” came out. Yeah, I wore my McGovern/Shriver button and still campaigned and worked the phones. But that was a big reason behind 49-1 result in November.
Yeah, it may tarnish the halo a bit but far better that this sh*t come out now and get addressed fully than to have it hit the news cycle the day after the nomination and take the headlines and all the good feelings away.
I am in agreement - scrutiny seems warranted, and people like LHP are eminently qualified to give it. But this piece had a fair amount of innuendo that I just don’t think necessary.
Is this one reason John Edwards suspended his campaign, so he could cover if tone of them got zocked? A back up plan?
Maybe these dollar games are the ante. Then someone raises things 5 dollars, then the pot is raised 10, then 25 then another 25. Pretty soon the pot is in the hundreds. I don’t believe for a minute lobbyists have dollar games. It is not believable. These type of people don’t play nickle slots. Or ante up dimes. I have played poker myself and they truly were games where the ante was a dime and before you knew it, the pot was in the hundreds. So Obama thinking he “was a pretty good poker player” may have been his arrogance at play, not his poker ability.
And who WHITEWASHED, er WHITEWATERED Hill? And what about all those big Board of Director dollars for Wal-Mart?
I found it extraordinary that Michelle Obama was responsible for getting the lot partitioned from the house…then that very lot was purchased by a friend….who then managed to sell a portion of that same lot back to the house owner (Obama).
Anyone know Illinois real estate law relative to partitioning? Usually you get one free cut and then you have to jump through hoops for anything further.
Sorry - but this whole thing is very very suspicious.
I’m an Edwards fan as noted, but I don’t see how he can possibly reignite his campaign. Or can he?
You say:
“You wouldn’t use a blog, however, to lay out your suspicions, would you?”
And you also say:
“No one here is attempting to “shut down the inquiry.”
I do not see how these two statements are compatible.
I ask that you put the first quote back in its context, which I meant as a response to Christy about how prosecutors, acting in their official capacities as prosecutors, pursue suspicious behaviors. However, prosecutors don’t blog about their suspicions. They investigate in secret, with Grand Juries, etc, as Christy noted.
Now leave the world of prosecuting and move to this world.
I haven’t argued against this blog having an inquiry into suspicious actions by a politician. I don’t have a problem with the intent of this post.
Maybe the 5 mil came from funds from Hillary’s books. Like Obama’s.
The problem with this fucking blog is it’s an amen chorus, everyone agrees, and unless you flatter or agree with the front pagers, you’re not welcome.
/end snark.
Sue…$1.6m is a lot of money to drop for a Senator…but if there are improprieties about how he obtained money for THAT (it may be a 30-year mortgage…and a Senator is virtually gauranteed the job for six years ;-) then it should be raised. I do know that his wife, Michelle, is ALSO a Harvard Law school graduate…and served between 1996 and 2002 as the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University’s Community Service Center. In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May, 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs. Those are pretty well-paying positions, I’d imagine. In fact, they may have carried more weight in obtaining financing for the mansion than Barack’s positions.
Just a reminder: noun, verb, Keating.
Amen to that!
However LHP has dared to go against CW in the netroots world and question our own sacred cow. There are important issues being aired that are being ignored. I want to be convinced BO is all he is cracked up to be. He comes off as a little to slick for me and before I accept him, I want to have some answers.
Going to a small firm would be a perfect way to “start” your political career - I mean, the kid from the neighborhood returning to help out…particularly if you have a wealthy patron on the side.
If you don’t think that Michelle and Barack planned his career as carefully as the Clintons have done their careers, then I have a bridge I want to sell you.
Doing some homework here, found Marathon Pundit blog to be a good source
for facts, links and some commentary on Rezko matter… Chicago politics,
up and coming figure, federal prosecution… still, the Tribune said it
needed explaining but was not a deal breaker. It has been brought up on
some MSM political talk outlets with little follow up,but if you can
investigate Whitewater, jail a witness for months, there is someone out
there willing and waiting to use it…
Thanks for the clarification. I don’t think Christy was suggesting that prosecutors start blogs about this stuff so I think that’s where the confusion arose.
and this lot was part of a home that had historical significance/ designation. Talk about hoops. Michelle Obama also seemed to get first crack at the property as an insider, being on the board of Chicago Landmark Commission.
Sorry CHS, that last comment came across harsh and I didn’t mean it that way. I’m tired and exhausted at the stuff that Hillary supporters have been dealing with on the blogs…maybe I need a rest.
Wow. Bothe gem candidates have Illiois backgrounds. Just noticed, did they have influence from the Daley machine. Is their more mob connections? This is some scary information…welcome to Sicily.
I want to make it very clear that I think all charges against any candidate should be examined and vetted. Neither candidate is my first choice.
But I share Scarecrow’s concerns and hope we work on facts and sources rather than innuendo.
For example, LHP just wrote: If you mean why did Obama go to work for a firm that he was clearly overqualified for? This firm has had a spotty ethical history (one of the law firm’s partners left to become a partner of Rezko’s)
And I’d like to see some backup for the firm having “a spotty ethical history” since that’s a serious charge to make. One partner did leave to work in land development and some of those deals were in conjunction with Rezko but I haven’t seen - and would be happy to see - any references that *those* deals were dirty or some backup to a charge that the firm was “spotty”
I think the poker game is where they try to corrupt the good guy. What does Fitz think of all this?
Siun
give me a call tommorrow if you like
I’ll be sitting around my house waiting to write a large check to some plumbers for demoing my basement floor
^_^
I am interested in your ‘transformation’
Well, I have just finished reading the MyDD materials. After having done so, I would suggest we stop using euphemisms like suspicious, troubling or circumstantial. Just take a look at the photos, that ‘my friends’ [using my best McCainish] is good old fashioned corruption staring you straight in the eye.
Perfect rejoinder :-)
I’d love to see an explanation of this comment:
No criminal charges have been filed rearding Obama.
Now, it’s possible Obama’s tracks were well covered, and also possible that the jaundiced eye of a prosecutor interprets facts in the most damning possible light.
The point here is to pursue truth and bring issues to the sunlight, for widespread community review. Those are consistent with our principles here, from Libby to any liberal/progressive you or I may like.
Hey Mack …email me your phone … I’ve lost all my numbers when I updated the software on my phone … argh!!!!
let’s lunch!
I’m even in Chi for two weeks before my next trip!
I’m sure there’s a perfectly logical explanation for how he came to be Syrian.
Nice TRY at a hit job….when can we expect the one for Hillary?///
Answer…not in the near future,
NO SALE
Right! So the post previous to this one was just an intellectual exercise I guess?
I know I’m gonna get flamed for this, but it is easy to tell who in the comments clicked on ALL the links and read the reports I relied upon and who didn’t.
LHP dons her asbestos suit and adopt a crouched fetal position as the flamethrower firing squad takes aim.
OK, now DUCK!
Siun - re link to the gambling vote. I’ll take a look for it - I read a couple of articles about this a week or so ago. I’ll see if I can find anything, and bring it back here, even if everyone goes to the next post.
Gotta call bullshit.
I’m a front pager here, the next one to join after Jane invited Christy. Here’s my Hilary Clinton oevre.
Thank you for playing!
Using the “vetting on our terms” argument, I’m looking forward to the Clinton-Hsu post in the near future. We already know the Noize Machine has prepared a lot for this connection, so I’d like to be ready to respond to the Hsu chorus if Hillary gets the nom.
I agree that no one in politics has clean hands. This underlines the importance of frequent hand washing. Flossing would probably be a good idea too.
Snarky slick and disarming. Nicely done. LHP should have gone to Obama first and allowed him the courtesy to explain before going www. Judgement call.
That would be oeuvre, I think.
Being connected to the Daley machine can do wonders for you in Chicago,
and if you are ambitious the trail left will not resemble that of the
little folks you represent. But, given the same opportunities, most
people do take advantage of them. The fast track is just that, and if
there is something in it, then Fitz has seen it and we wait for trial
and further developments. Fitz is on it.
Carolyn - that would be great .. I’ll keep an eye on the thread later and you know how to reach me if it’s after comments close.
So we run two posts, one critical of Hillary and one critical of Obama right next to each other, and we get…this.
Are you having the grape or the orange tonight?
…and sunlight is the best disinfectant.
As an Obama supporter, I am glad the Chi Trib is doing so much and for posts like this….seriously. While the Hsu/Clinton story isn’t really a Trib story, I do sincerely hope my first and often only source for trusted info, FDL, applies this standard fairly to Clinton coverage. There does seem to be as much of a reason to look into the Hsu story as there is with Rezko. It would be great to have the legal mind firepower here make us feel better or worse about each situation.
So far, not much if anything has turned up to show wrongdoing by Obama. I assume if there was some, Fitz will be finding it soon.
Dang, Obama bin Lieberman learned slumlording from the master too.
I’m no Obama fan (could you tell?) but I actually don’t know how serious this is so I’m not going to argue that voting decisions should be based on it. But it sure has seemed to me that the implacable Republicans and the village parrots desperately want to face Obama in the fall and not Clinton. Mesuspects that they might be sitting on this stuff until it’s too late for us to nominate Hillary (my second to last choice for Democratic nominee). Everyone I know jumping on the Obama bandwagon cites Hillary’s high negatives, in the naive assumption that the rightwing sludge machine can’t turn against their man. If this stuff turns out not to be true or insignificant, it will still turn into Obama’s Whitewater. So someone had better get to the bottom of it ASAP, because we will definitely hear about it for as long as he is on the national stage.
May I just say “What Wolcott said”, with regards to Obama? That and Krugman’s reservations, and his whole antigay preacher debacle. And his lack of leadership in FISA, Iraq, etc. After hearing digby and Kevin Drum voted for Obama, Wolcott reassures me that the whole world hasn’t been taken in by his “eloquence” (I don’t hear it, but I also missed Bush’s charm back when almost everyone said he had some.)
Also, I’ve wondered how the Rezko case and Fitz’s involvement happened start right now, in the midst of the most crucial time for Obama’s campaign.
Anyone know if there’s a simple explanation for this coincidence? Just honestly curious.
Purple tongue, must be the grape.
you got mail
Thanks for running the post, I have come to rely upon the serious blogs
for just this type heads up posting for needed information. It is out
there and it will become an issue if our recent history is any guide.
Politics…
eggzactly
Fitz has been after Rezko for two years I believe … (in the middle of dinner so I may be off here)
Please skip the use of terms like “Obama bin Lieberman” …
hit Obama for not opposing Lieberman and not supporting Ned enough but the muslim slur is not ok.
All this talk is making me hungry.
I concur that this post is a good thing
This is what the Clinton campaign is crowing about when they say Hil is ‘vetted’
Whitewater and the afore linked cattle futures deals are old, dead and dried up.
Rezko has not been subject to much scrutiny.
If Obama is to be our candidate, let’s get this thing looked at and discarded.
I don’t effin want a Republican in the WH = no how - no way.
sleepytime here in IL-5
i’m a lightweight - what can i say
having a nice cold orange drink first, tho
I must be missing something here, because despite Jane’s claims of balance, I see no article calling Clinton’s financial dealings into question.
I see one calling her out for her vote on the land mine issue, and I see another one informing us about her personal loan to her campaign, but that’s it.
Ya know Kiddo,
You’re proably right, we’ll never get the perfect candidate and no one’s hands are every completely clean… and he who is without sin cast the first stone… I get it.
But I’ve never had anyone help me buy a house, not even my parents, let alone someone I later called “that individual” in front of God and the entire nation in a debate.
I would guess most people commenting here never had that kind of help from even a close friend, let alone someone they claim they don’t know.
I do know that I’m getting awful tired of playing by the rules and keeping MY nose clean while a certain sanctimonious politician profits from his connections AND tries to claim he is purer than the driven snow. I think it is more likely PURE DRIVEL!
Sure, I know he isn’t the first politician to take “gifts” and I know he hasn’t been caught doing anything illegal yet. But with his message of being above politics and healing the partisan divide I expect a higher standard. I would have at least expected a little less stupidity, I mean who would think these things wouldn’t come out?? Is he really that naive?
I know the Republicans won’t hesitate to nail him to the wall with everything we’ve already seen so far… who knows what else is lurking out there in the weeds.
Please don’t tell me about the Clinton machine being the same as the Republican smear campaigns. He ain’t seen the swiftboating yet, he hasn’t even seen hard hitting on the facts yet! Clinton seems to be pulling her punches, perhaps because of the media piling on her anytime she makes a point about the Saint from Illinois.
If you don’t shut your mouth yourself, I’ll rewrap the bandages to do it for you.
and don’t go running to your mummy about this….
Is this thread still active..have been driving all day.
Re: Hillary’s big bucks for being a “corporate lawyer” on the Wal-Mart board..$15k per year..big bucks???
The Rezko..Hill/Bill Picture..have not done the primary research myself but what I have read is that picture was traced to a Carol Mosley=Braun fund raiser were people giving $ were photographed with Hill and Bill. If true, the real question is how does a likely one of a kind picture go from Rezko to the media one day following the debate. In interesting query.
It’s a pun, not a Muslim slur. I thought he had a Muslim father, and “bin” means “son”, doesn’t it? I did not imagine that anyone could take bin *Lieberman* as a Muslim slur (he’s practically the Senator for Likud, isn’t he?). It sure wouldn’t ever have occurred to me. No insult to Islam was intended. I hold that religion in the same esteem than I hold Christianity, Hinduism, or Judaism.
Anyway, I’ll start looking for a better moniker for him now. OBL is getting old, and Obambi is starting to seem like a poor fit too.
Yes, you must be missing something here.
Hillary has gotten a lot of grief around here for all kinds of things. Off the top of my head, her ducking the FISA debates, and her votes on Iraq have come in for regular knocks on the front page posts. Jane had some classic posts about her failure to get behind Ned Lamont after Ned beat Joe Lieberman for the Democratic Senate nomination from Connecticut.
Look around at more than just today’s posts. HRC gets no free pass around here.
I don’t think it needs to be finance for finance, blood for blood all within a couple posts to be balanced.
Not for nothing but $16,000 is a hell of a price for fencing. Especially if it is steel to conform to a landmark home, IMO.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well if it is any consolation, that is what I understood you to mean because Lieberman was Obama’s “spiritual father” as his mentor in the Senate.
I read most of them, but I don’t get the “Obama’s favors from Rezko amount to $925,000″. Granted my math skills are not what they used to be, but I don’t see from the article where that number came from.
Um, I took it as a slur. With all the “Obama is muslim” slurs going around, it’s hard to imagine it being intended otherwise. Now that you’ve explained it, I get the extra layers. And OBL is generally used to refer to Bin Laden, using it otherwise would be pretty gruesome slur in my book. Adding both an anti islam and “Obama is Osama” element. Not good.
looseheadprop: you impress me very little with your answers.
I’m not in the tank for Obama. I don’t like his health care plan, and I worry a bit about his post-partisan rhetoric. Still, the man might be our nominee. By all means, vet him, but your post as well as your defenses of it strike me as extremely reckless.
So why did he take the job he took? I don’t know for sure, but if he was interested in a political career as well as being an organizer in Chicago he might well have chosen a less challenging day job. Not much time for politics if you’re in a top firm that expects associates to put in 100 hour weeks.
And horrors, he played poker! What a bunch of puritans we seem to have in this thread. This was by all appearances small-time stuff, and I think that poker is excellent training for politics. It’s not like craps, it’s a game involving skill and psychology. As someone who used to play with friends, my reading of the article suggested that Obama was a small-time player who didn’t take risks with his money.
If there’s any real meat to the suspicions raised about Obama and Rezko, I’d like to see a responsible person (say someone on Josh Marshall’s team) look into it. Unfortunately, you’ve lost all credibility with me. Too bad, because you’re a great writer. But too many in the blogosphere get to where they are by their ability to spin yarns based on the flimsiest of evidence. A lot of them work in oppo research, and I’m sure that the Republicans are filing your piece away.
Hillary has already been hit plenty - everyday. Do you listen to any of the cable news? Obama is St. Obama and Hillary is Woman you cast stones at.
Barbara,
That letter Obama sent out sounds very nice, but there is debate over whether it is actually true.
Here is what Bonnie Grabenhofer,
IL NOW State President has to say about Lorna Brett’s association (or not) with NOW and Barack’s habit of voting “Present” on issues of choice:
Lorna Brett was president of CNOW from 1996-1998. She was not president at the time we were lobbying on these bills. Five of those votes occurred in the 92nd General Assembly session in 2001. NOW records indicate that she hasn’t been a member since 1999. She was not there when we were lobbying against these bills. She is using her very old affiliation with NOW to try to validate her criticism of Hillary Clinton.
Voting Present on those bills was a strategy that Illinois NOW did not support. We made it clear at the time that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted legislators to take a stand against the awful anti-choice bills being put forth. Voting Present doesn’t provide a platform from which to show leadership and say with conviction that we support a woman’s right to choose and these bills are unacceptable.
The Present strategy was devised to give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district; he could have voted No with very little negative consequence in his district.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc.....p?id=26921
This kind of crap is reckless, though. For all of our talk about not repeating or advancing GOP taking points, and for all the times we grudgingly admire the GOP for sticking together and not speaking ill of one another (at least on a personal basis), we keep shooting ourselves in the foot when we post this shit. It’s largely speculative and does nothing to advance a Democratic/Progressive agenda.
If FDL wants to cheer on Hillary, fine - it’s Jane’s blog. But let’s at least have the good sense to practice what we preach.
I have heard that the property was actually on the market for awhile and that Obama’s offer was the highest one made, but I heard/read that way back when the scandal was fresher. Does anyone know if that is true? Maybe I will try to read the Trib’s stuff on this to make sure. Also something about condo development on the other side of the lot? Any bells anyone?
So is FDL officially an Obama bashing site yet?
Siun, I found this link to a MyDD article about Obama’s gambling vote, with an embedded link to an LA Times article.
Sheesh. Everyone is so sensitive. If I ever get elected to the Senate, I know who my mentor will be. And if the whole world starts calling me Tadhg Mac Feingold, I would consider it an honor (and a bit of a cheap thrill), despite the *obvious* ethnic slur and connotations of IRA terrroism.
Found the link about it being on the market awhile. From a December 17, 2006, Washington Post article:
The owner had listed the house — nearly 100 years old, with four fireplaces and a wine cellar — and an adjacent lot as separate parcels.
The Obamas purchased the house, which had been on the market for several months, for $300,000 below the list price. On the day they closed, Rezko’s wife, Rita, closed on the 9,000-square-foot lot next door for the asking price of $625,000.
You do realize that Hsu was an equal opportunity bundler, right?
From WaPo, last September:
Hsu Steered Major Fundraiser to Obama
Siun@25!!! My God, did you see the associated YouTube clips where Gravel got after her for her vote for Kyle-Lieberman? And then John Edwards made me hang my head in shame that the media in this country effectively stifled someone with his personal courage, when he, for what had to be the 8th or 9th time, TOOK COMPLETE AND UNEQUIVOCAL RESPONSIBILITY for his vote to authorize, with his straight-up statement of how wrong he was.
When those two “misognyists” got done with her, Hillary Clinton should have blushed with shame, to be up there taking george bush’s side about the Iranian Guards resolution.
I missed that debate, and I’m sorry I did, because for me, that argument about Kyle-Lieberman was a transcendant moment that pulsates with implications for every american, if the democrat nominate Clinton, and if, by some miracle, she should become president. If she had a shred left of credibility as an antiwar candidate, it disappeared when I saw that clip.
Siun, with the demonizing of the people like you, who do nothing more than point out the facts about her, posting that, just like your thread about her vote against banning clusterbombs in civilian areas, took courage.
Mahalo; a thousand times, seestah. :o)
Yeah, how could you possibly not be aware of the owner of a building located in the state senate district where you had assumed office, um, well, um, a few days before.
There were heating problems during that winter. Obama only took office in late January of that year.
By the next year, the building had been foreclosed on.
Note that tenant problems aren’t typically taken to the state senator in Illinois. The city’s landlord-tenant ordinance governs such things, and aldermen do in fact handle these kinds of complaints. It’s rather unlikely the tenants would have contacted their state senator, and if they did, it’s extremely likely a staffer would have taken the call and said: “Wow, you guys DO have a problem. You need to take it up with the city department of housing, which has enforcement powers and can get this fixed for you in a way that I can’t!”
If you were looking to cover up your slumlordship in Chicago, I can’t think of a more useless thing than to try to bribe your state senator about it.
But then, methinks looseheadprop may know all that, and just wrote this as a vicious screed on behalf of the Clinton campaign. Quid just can’t seem to find quo in this story.
The problem with bragging about the evenhandness of the two “balanced” posts, is that LooseHeadProp spent a lot of time working up the skinny on Obama, for HIS potentially damaging funding foobah-oobah, but spoke not a word about Hillary having a rather large fundraising wart on HER forehead made up Norman Hsu’s visage.
Instead, he left it to the posters to point out that Clinton had taken $850,000 dollars from Hsu, who’s been indicted for his bogus “contributors”. She finally returned it, when the story started getting legs.
Like I said earlier, this one’s a wash. And it should have been presented that way from the gitgo, instead of only being chapter and verse about Obama’s greasy palm.
OK, I’m getting confused. Was that in another thread that someone asked why the Clintonistas were hinting at skeletons in Obama’s closet and if they really had anything, why haven’t they leaked it yet? Obviously some folks think they did leak this, but the reason for not leaking is that they will get blamed for mudslinging. I know they are not above smears, but I am also confident that they won’t want to leave any fingerprints on their smears, to mix metaphors. The reason the implacable republikans won’t use this stuff yet is that they are saving up their ammo for the general election.
This oversensitivity is my biggest problem with Obama’s supporters. Shit is going to come out about him that is going to make you uncomfortable and make you question your support of him. That’s the case with almost all politicians (’cept Russ). Grow up and get used to it! Of course a movement of airy fairy idealism is going to have a nasty come-up-ance when reality sets in, but better now than later. Instead of beating up on LHP, why don’t you go do your homework and find out the truth so you’ll be ready for the Republicans when they come at you with this stuff? Because it is coming! And don’t kid yourself that they need DFH LHP to do their oppo research for them.
Nice hit piece, LHP. Keep trying.
You write:
EXACTLY!!! A guy like Obama doesn’t even consider going to a sleazy firm like this. Why wasn’t he as some white shoe firm. A guy with his resume from law school doesn’t need a firm like that.
And I see that the law firm in question is a highly respected firm well known for its pro-bono work. In fact the senior partner was Harold Washington’s lawyer. So the answer is, that some people have different goals than generating money by being corporate sleazeballs for hire. And the implication is that your article is dishonest and poorly researched.
http://www.boston.com/news/nat....._practice/
For what it’s worth, this is the first time I have read about this story in detail (mydd, too) and I’m glad LHP posted it. It’s good to know.
Hey everybody - I took the point of the piece like this:
Vet your candidates NOW, because we don’t want any surprises.
This from the point of view of a Federal Prosecutor.
For some reason my links are not working so I’ve inserted them below each title.
Thanks Carolyn for finding that link - here’s that section of the article for folks plus some more on Poker below and a note from the Trib’s big investigation article on gambling and Rezko:
From the LA Times article Carolyn located:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....9399.story
The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two ”yeas” to spare — including Obama’s. Moments after its passage he rose to say, ”I’d like to be recorded as a no vote,” explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.
Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group on a 1998 campaign questionnaire that he was ”undecided” about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.
The senator who led the opposition to the gambling measure, Republican Todd Sieben, said he took Obama at his word that the initial vote was an error. But Sieben also said the thin margin of victory was a sign that perhaps there was more to the vote than met the eye. ”He was obviously paying attention to this vote. It was a major, major issue in the state, and it was a long debate,” Sieben said. ”The inadvertent ’Oops, I missed the switch’ — I’d be kind of skeptical of that.”
On Rezko and gambling from the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....4061.story
But when Rezko pushed for passage in Springfield of a major gambling measure, Obama vocally opposed it.
More on Poker:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI.....index.html
Obama once called poker a hidden talent and judged himself a ”pretty good” player.
He began playing in high school, sometimes with his grandfather and sometimes with classmates. After leaving Springfield, he didn’t join a Washington version of his weekly poker game and he doesn’t play on the campaign trail. Video Watch Obama on the campaign trail in Atlanta »
The poker nights — sometimes called the ”committee meeting” by the players — began around 1997 as a way to kill time during long legislative sessions in the small capital city of about 115,000. Under state law, it’s illegal to play poker for money, but the law is seldom enforced when low-stakes games are involved.
Players didn’t study their cards and their opponents in icy silence. Instead, they joked and griped about legislative leaders and talked trash.
”Barack was always focused on anything he did, but he would certainly engage in banter,” said Stephen Selcke, a lobbyist for AT&T. ”Barack was one of the guys.”
Mixing up the game
The group didn’t always stick to traditional kinds of poker. They often played variations that resembled blackjack or split the pot between the highest and lowest hands. They even played a version that awarded half the pot based on a random card.
On most nights, a player might win or lose around $30, participants said. A really big night would mean winning, or losing, $100.
The players rarely talked about legislation. The lobbyists felt strongly that it would break an unwritten rule if they tried to sway the lawmakers during the games, Selcke said.
As a presidential candidate, Obama doesn’t accept political contributions from lobbyists or political action committees. But as a legislator, he took thousands of dollars from the groups represented by some of his poker buddies. AT&T in its various incarnations, for example, gave more than $13,000 over the years.
Still, Obama routinely voted against the communications giant’s interests. He opposed SBC Communications Inc. — as AT&T was then called — on a major initiative in 2003 that would have increased costs for the company’s competitors.
Poker night also included a lobbyist for the Illinois Manufacturers’ Association, and the game eventually was moved to the association’s office. Obama often voted to raise taxes and fees for businesses.
Players say the poker game affected legislation only by building relationships, and lobbyists might get a more respectful hearing for their arguments.
Obama usually broke even or came out ahead. Part of the reason he fared poorly in that final game was that he faced card players focused solely on beating him, Link said. Other players took risks they wouldn’t normally take and called all his bluffs just to have a little fun with the new political superstar.
Obama took it in stride, but his opponents say he always hated to lose.
”He didn’t throw his cards or take a swing at anybody, but he wasn’t a happy person,” said Link, a Democrat from the Chicago suburbs. ”He’s got that competitive spirit, no doubt about it.”
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With the departure of Obama and others, the Springfield poker nights have dwindled to just the occasional game. But the players haven’t given up on the possibility of another game with Obama.
”I’m hoping that maybe one night we’ll have one in the White House,” Link said.
Well, did some digging, and the absurdity of many of these complaints is just rich.
There is no overnight parking ban in Chicago, I can say pretty confidently, with my car parked out in front right now. But if the vicious author of this screed were correct, then the Obamas still probably would have parked their car IN THE FRIGGING DRIVEWAY THAT YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE EVEN FROM BANGLADESH BY CHECKING GOOGLE-MAPS SATELLITE VIEW!
Or maybe (cue evil music) they parked on Tony Rezko’s lawn, like the author this vicious screed suggests. How did they do it, loosecannonprop? You can also plainly see the fence around the property in google maps, not to mention the county assessor’s map. Did they drive through the yard of the neighbors who live behind them to get onto the Rezko property?
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Yu can’t let actual history distort an obama troll’s narrative.
Hillary had a pic with Rezko(supplied by Drudge, a GOP mouthpiece who seems to parallel the Obama-fed talking points from Politico quite well).
Rezko is directly linked with Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire with dealings on both sides of the Saddam/Iraqi National Congress items, including arms shipments during the contra era to Saddam and Oil for Food profiteering through France’s largest bank after the war, using arms from that to supply profit of sales to terror ties in north and central African countries.
It’s fine to put fingers in your ears and ignore the items all you want, but they’re close enough to burn and the campaign hasn’t even begun
Obama’s response to a challenge to appear on EACH network in debate with Hillary is that SHE PANDERS TO FOX NEWS!!
Obama/Orwell ‘08
The other thing is that nowhere in this post, which makes such a big deal of his working for Davis, Miner (which yes, is a respected firm which does a lot of pro-bono work, including some voting rights work), does AVS (the Author of the Vicious Screed) mention that Obama’s prime source of income at the time was his professorship at the U of C.
So it’s pretty likely that he was unaware of the intimacies of every real estate case that the firm was involved in. It seems pretty clear that Davis himself was the guy doing most of the real estate work.
Great stuff, loosecannonprop! What a class act you are!
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You can see some other things at the Assessor’s website — for instance, that Obama’s house, based on normal Chicago assessment to value ratios, was not worth the asking price in 2005. You can see that he got no break on the assessment, because other similar lots on the block have similar or lower assessments. You can see that a parcel larger than Rezko’s on the next block over was assessed signicantly less than Rezko’s parcel — again, no break on the assessment, and again, suggesting that the assessment to value ratio is accurate, and that based on the assessment, the amount the Obama’s paid him for a share of that land was likewise fair.
The level of insinuation in this article is very high.
The fact that the Miner law firm was labeled as “sleazy” when it is very well respected and we were asked to wonder what nefarious motivation could have caused Obama to go work for them instead of a respectable “white shoe” law firm where he could have, no doubt, represented union busters or chemical waste dumpers, is deeply disturbing.
looseheadprop’s quote:
I don’t see the author using the word “sleazy,” just so we’re clear.
Merrrrrry Fitzmas!
Senator Obama talks fondly of his years as a community organizer. My assumption was that he would hold the interests of the community first and foremost. Yet, read his answer to the question below about the failure of the projects that Rezko developed.
SunTimes
Senator Obama basically blames the tenants and the community for the failure of the projects. This is about the most controversial aspect of his relationship. How could a community organizer, blame the community. Granted he was not one at the time, he was a State Senator and an attorney. Needles to say, the projects failed because they were not structured to have adequately funded reserves. Senator Obama as the attorney to the non profit or his law firm that was also representing Rezko, should have made sure the non profit, partner, and the project had reserves adequately funded from the developer fees. Rezko basically was not held accountable, took the money and Senator Obama blames the tenants.
If he did not care for the community in a small setting, how will he protect and pursue the democratic issues such as health care, economic reforms, environmental protection, etc.etc. I frankly based on this am scared about his competence to be put in charge of the US Government.
I don’t get it why this does not outrage anyone else. I guess I know too much about community organizing and affordable housing. Only NIMBYS (not in my neighborhood) types tall like this about affordable housing. I question all his words. If he did not know, so much the worse, community organizers have to be alert.
Comment by Retired | 2008-02-05 22:15:41
“Actually, the Republicans are doing a good job beating the shit out of Hillary in their campaign communications. Considering Romney’s ads in particular, you would think that he was already matched against her. Now, I wonder why that would be? Anti Hillary ads and speeches by Republicans in the primaries? It all adds up to who they would rather run against.”
My first reaction was to welcome LHP’s decision to explore the Rezco story. We need that information and I was really pleased to see LHP make the effort.
Unfortunately my confidence gradually eroded as LHP accompanied that basic analysis with unrelated and sometimes clearly unfair allegations. For example it was fine for LHP , like NOW , to condemn Obama’s voting “present”on the right to choose . But in fairness not only to O but even more to this forum and its readers he should have mentioned O’s strong defense by the head of Illinois Planned Parenthood.
Even in the basic Rezco analysis it’s inherently implausible that Obama owed any debt to Rezco for helping him get hired by a small Chicago law firm when as President of the Harvard Law Review he could have started at five times as much on Wall Street
And it’s not obvious that Obama would have known the details of the firms other deals which in some ways involved Rezco . Proof ?
Rezco himself is entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty.
Even more true of the law firms involved in his transactions and particularly so of the firms representing not Rezco but groups dealing with him. And true in spades of the associates in those firms who weren’t even involved in those transactions.
The Obama/Rezco story still needs to be told- by our side. Not at some point in the general election by the Republican smear machine. Pity LHP didn’t get it right this time.
Again, I’m glad LHP took on this project. But equally grateful to users such as Joe Buck for providing perspective and indeed refuting some of LHP’s allegations.
Stellaaa…
Well thought-out and documented. Please do a diary entry on one of the blogs about this. Your points are very well taken!
Thanks.
The partner began working in Land develpoment with Rezko while the firm was still reprsenting the not for profits in the land deals –a clear conflict of interest, which is why the partner had to leave.
That kind of conlfict of interst is a violation of legal ethics which in most states (and I believe in Illinois) is written in law. So yeah, that’s an example of spotty ethical history
“But in fairness not only to O but even more to this forum and its readers he should have mentioned O’s strong defense by the head of Illinois Planned Parenthood.”
Ever read about “Rape Gurney Joe” Lieberman and his endorsements? Many folks in this forum have. I’m afraid that defenses by the professional advocacy groups in DC, like NARAL and Planned Parenthood, wouldn’t carry much weight around here anyway. Maybe you should have quoted the parts of his/her defense of Obama that you think were so strong.
See comment 113 by LHP.
Basically, this post is pointing out that we Democrats don’t have good choices this year. LOL Oh boy.
What a dishonest reply. According to press reports the Minor law firm is one of the most well respected in Chicago. Yet you slander them by insisting that they were “sleaze” and had a “spotty ethical history” on the basis of your insinuation that a partner leaving the firm to work for a client is a violation of some law which you “suppose” exists in Illinois. Meanwhile, instead of working for a truly sleaze “white shoe” firm which you seem to believe is an ethical standard to be proud of, Obama worked on cases like these:
Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters.
A federal court ordered the state to implement the law.
Obama also wrote a major portion of an appeals brief on behalf of a whistleblower who exposed waste and corruption in a research project involving Cook County Hospital and the Hektoen Institute for Medical Research and alleged that she was fired in retaliation.
You heard on MSNBC? Since they have made no secret of their bias in favor of Obama and their Hillary Hate I would take anything heard there with the proverbial grain of salt. Personally since Keith Olbermann has become infected with Tweety-lack-of-integrity virus I don’t watch MSNBC at all anymore. They’re just as bad as FOX.
Obama’s statement.
A: Housing partnerships in which low-income-housing tax credits are syndicated frequently struggle financially. The reasons for the problems such partnerships struggle are complex but frequently include urban crime, demographic changes and social factors outside the control of any developer or owner.
Your interpretation “Senator Obama basically blames the tenants and the community for the failure of the projects.”
How do you jump from the first to the second?
In response to 291. Read Tracy Fischman, Planned Parenthood of Illinois,
in the Jan 23 Huffington Post.
LHP, your words (above) lead me to think that:
a: you are assuming that Obama will be the Democratic candidate in the general;
b: you support Obama for president.
Is this the case?
As mentiioned in 297 , here’s statement
I formerly worked for Planned Parenthood in Illinois. I had the honor of working with Senator Barack Obama during his tenure in the Illinois Senate. He was — and remains — adamant about his support for women’s health and access to reproductive healthcare services. His present votes on abortion-related bills were part of a broader pro-choice strategy designed to ultimately defeat bad and dangerous legislation that would have compromised the health and safety of Illinois women. As Planned Parenthood’s lobbyist in Illinois has said, Senator Obama was asked to facilitate a strategy designed to help provide cover for other Democrats. Specifically, Planned Parenthood turned to Senator Obama because of his strong record on reproductive rights. At the time, Republicans were trying to force Democrats from conservative districts to register politically controversial no votes. Senator Obama initially resisted the strategy, as he wanted to vote against the anti-abortion measures, but decided to work with our strategy to help defeat these anti-choice bills. It is important to note that a present vote on a bad bill is essentially the same as a “no” vote, as the bill needs “yes” votes to pass. However, it is difficult for Republicans to use “present” votes in their campaign literature against Democrats from moderate and conservative districts (also see December 20, 2007 NY Times article: “It’s Not Just ‘Ayes’ and ‘Nays’: Obama’s Votes in Illinois Echo”). This strategy is now being used against Senator Obama in the same way we planned for it to work in our favor then.
LHP, by the quote above, I take it that you wrote this piece to actually protect Obama in a sense? In other words, knowing how rough things will get, you want to air this out now.
And not the alternative context, which would be that you support Hillary Clinton, and have written this piece in order to assist her campaign.
For anyone who might be tempted to believe anything in this borderline slanderous article please take a look at all of LHP’s insinuations about the “sleazy” Miner law firm and then read this
http://www.boston.com/news/nat....._practice/
EXCELLENT POST!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS!!!
“Nobody’s Hands Are Perfectly Clean in Politics” some as just a little more bloodied.
From TPM
Clinton vs. Obama on the Cluster Bomb Vote
“[Cluster bombs are] the single greatest risk civilians face with regard to a current weapon that is in use.” -Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch
David Rees, the man behind the hilarious and trenchant Get Your War On, reminded me yesterday of another especially egregious - yet much less known - vote cast by Senator Hillary Clinton, which no one in the mainstream media is talking about:
But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.
Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.
Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing “soft on terror,” as it would have harmed her electibility.
No, neither candidate is perfect. Indeed, as Rees points out about Obama:
Nobody who voted for 2005’s wack-ass energy bill is perfect. Nobody who voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act is perfect.
Yet he goes on to say:
But of the two remaining Democratic candidates, one decided her vote on Amendment No. 4882 according to a political calculation. The other used a moral calculation.
Whomever you’re supporting, or even if you’re not supporting either candidate, Rees makes a fair point here. On not one but two of her most important life-and-death votes in the Senate, Clinton embraced political expediency over the protection of innocent human lives.
Moreover, if such issues as the horrific realities of cluster bombs were given their due in the mainstream media, Clinton’s vote against Amendment No. 4882 would’ve and should’ve been fair game in assessing her record.
The United States of America is the largest manufacturer of cluster bombs. This weaponry maims and kills thousands of innocent human beings globally each year but reaps huge profits for the defense industry, which in turn, of course, pays exorbitant rates to advertise during U.S. network news broadcasts.
Thus, its absence from our “national debate” is no grand mystery.
LHP, Siun asked you the question above at around 5 PM yesterday. Well over 12 hours ago. Several others have asked similar questions. Do you plan to answer this question, and if so, may I ask when?
We absolutely should. There is a slight difference. the Hsu story already went national. The rezko story has not had any national attention except from ABC’s Brian Ross
It didn’t just start. The investigation is over a year old and the indictment happened a while ago. PatFitz doesn’t schedule the trial date, the court clerk’s office just slots a trial into the first availbale spot inthe calendar (I’m oversimplifying here)
The timing certainly sucks for Obama, but I don’t see it directed at him, the case is directed at the governor of Illinois
Cruise the archives.
This site has not been very kind to Sen Clinton over the years. Which is not to say that we have not stepped up and called bullshit on the misogeny b/c if you let that shit pass and set a precedent it will be used on every women in public life regardless of party. But in the main, this site has been very rough on her for being a corperatist and for triangulating.
Further, if you read through the thread about the loan to the campaign there was speculation about Bill circumventing campaign finance laws in this way.
Beleieve i know how much hard work it takes to stay up to speed with what goes on on this site. I could be full time job, but don’t make assumptions about us and the history here without checking through the archives first.
I’m now thinking about the MoveOn endorsement….Obama was missing from that vote in favor of free speech…(Patraeus ad…Hillary voted for MoveOn’s right to do it, Obama was hiding somwhere….)
I’m wondering…did Obama already have a deal with MoveOn to spare himself from committing to that vote, while Hillary stuck her neck out and defended them?????
I wouldn’t be surprised with this guy….
No one will read this, but the comment had difficulty getting through last night.
ArchPundit laid out much of this information in The Rezko Primer, without the big deal about the synagogue being across the street. I wish our synagogue could get this enforced, because we have a very busy restaurant across the street *g* ArchPundit does not conclude that Obama did anything wrong.
I would also like to call dengre as a character witness. No one in the RWCM knows who dengre is, but he has been the Abramoff point person on Daily Kos because of the Marianas issue. dengre endorsed Obama on December 28 and specifically said that his ethics proposals were more necessary than Senator Clinton’s and got to the root of the problem. I firmly believe that dengre would not endorse a crook.
Great, great work lhp. Really clear writing, as per usual.
Wow.
I’ll still vote for the Democratic nominee, but this is really disappointing. It reads like something from the Soprano’s.
The project that Obama worked on for 5 hours was a joint venture with Rezko.
ArchPundit even has the part about Obama being the elected official in the indictment.
Considering that a lot of this slanderous story is based on LHP calling a famous public interest law firm “sleazy” without evidence, you should be less worried.
You are compounding the dishonesty of your original story by refusing to discuss the basis of your characterization of the Miner law firm as “sleazy” despite the evidence that it is a highly respected public interest and civil rights law firm.
When has anybody on this site EVER heard me say a nice word about Hillary Clinton?
“A vicious creed on behalf of the Clinton campaign”? I voted for Edwards even after he suspended his campaign. I have said so on at least a half dozen threads. I also didn’t vote for Bill in his primary, I was a gore person. I have never had any use for the Clintons. I did not want a slick willie in the WH and believe that be having him there we may have forever lowered the bar.
Having said all that, I do think Dems do a hell of a better job running the country than the GOP does, so the worst dem is usually a better choice than the best Rep.
Rootless, I have worked on many Low Income Housing Tax Credit projects. This is how the bulk of affordable housing is being financed these days and for about the last 15 years. These projects typically have a non profit general manager and some have joint general managers. These project are then a limited partnership with a for profit entity that can use the tax credits.
If the financial consultants, attorneys and developers involved do the right things, they never fail. Rarely do the projects fail because of neighborhood demographics. For Peet’s sake, they are supposed to work in poor neighborhoods, so the neighborhood does not fail, the incompetent developer and the team failed. From a community development and community organizing point of view Senator Obama’s answer is a betrayal to the community.
The amazing thing is that he always says he did not know cause the tenants did not complain. How would the tenants complain to public official, Senator Obama, who was a good friend and was supported by your landlord. By him taking money from Rezko and working as the attorney to the non profit in a joint venture, I would consider that a conflict of interest. So, now when the project fails, and look at his answer, his interest was with the Rezko, not the non profit or community.
Great article, thank you.
Sleazy–I stand by it.
Read all the way to the bottom. Also note that Obama’s own spokesperson ADMMITS that his office recieved citizen complaints anout the lack of heat
http://www.suntimes.com/news/m.....23.article
At the end of the day, this is still a highly speculative article which reinforces (or introduces) talking points against a potential Dem nominee. As such, it against our interests as progressives to engage in this debate. If the GOP wants to bring this up, let them try, but let’s not fire the opening shots.
You can stand by it all you want, but that article does not provide any negative information on the law firm and your comments on it are slanderous. You insinuate that there must have been some underhanded Rezko involved motive for Obama to go work for this firm, yet
“”It’s a real do-good firm,” says Fay Clayton, lead counsel for the National Organization for Women in a landmark lawsuit aimed at stopping abortion clinic violence. “Barack and that firm were a perfect fit. He wasn’t going to make as much money there as he would at a LaSalle Street firm or in New York, but money was never Barack’s first priority anyway.”"
And Obama clearly worked on civil rights and whistleblower cases at the firm. You ask why a highly recruited Harvard Review Grad would work for this firm - and that’s really a mendacious way of describing a firm whos managing partner was Harold Washington’s Corporation Counsel.
Either you have some evidence that Miner’s law firm is sleazy or not. Apparently not. And apparently informing your readers that it was not an obscure real-estate shop, but the most prominent and presitgious public interest law firm in Chicago is something you don’t feel an obligation to do.
The amazing thing is that he always says he did not know cause the tenants did not complain. How would the tenants complain to public official, Senator Obama, who was a good friend and was supported by your landlord. By him taking money from Rezko and working as the attorney to the non profit in a joint venture, I would consider that a conflict of interest. So, now when the project fails, and look at his answer, his interest was with the Rezko, not the non profit or community.
According to all reports I have seen, Obama did no serious work for the law firm after becoming a state legislator.
Obama and Lobbyists
The California Clean Money Campaign has the following article about Senator Obama and Lobbyists. Not as clean as he lets on. Just like everyone else, but a great big fat lie on the campaign trail. Like I say, he has been sanitized for our protection.
CalClean
Nope and nope. I’m a belt and suspenders kinda gal. I want both of our likely nominees to be fully vetted during the primary process so that there will not any nasty surprises during the general election.
I was (and am) an Edwards supporter, so I no longer have a horse in this race.
I will support whichever candidate wins the nomination.
There’s an old saying, when you’re in a hole, stop digging. If your intent is to help Obama on this thread, you better start to do a lot better.
He was a part time legislator and worked as an attorney. Was he working or just getting paid? Folks, you have to ask questions. He did the disputed 5 hours then. Maybe he should have done more, then the projects would not have failed.
I am not trying to protect Obama or Hillary per se. I am trying to prevent the election of a GOP candidate in November
Well, they may be a good law firm in Civil Rights, but consider this, they have a client, Rezko, who they advise in Affordable Housing projects. This client has 30 projects that go into default. The millions of dollars lost are public funds, the housing units lost cannot be replaced, Rezko took 6 million in fees from the projects, not counting all the other money from acting as the contractor. Now I don’t know about you but I have lots of concerns. Then one of the partners, goes and works for Rezko and then starts his own Development company.
Probably not illegal, but ethical? NO. Considering that the welfare of the neighborhoods was at stake and millions of public funds. You can call it George, you can call it Frank, but still, it’s negligent and unethical.
So the author of this article tells us that Miner Barnhill Galand is a “sleazy” lar firm with a “spotty ethical” record and that working for it was “indirect” employment by Rezko - when in fact it is a highly respected public interest law firm and among the cases Obama worked on at it were voting rights and whistleblower protection. So the author has provided readers with grossly misleading information - casting doubt on all the rest of this article.
Ok rootless, here’s your ethical law firm:
Miner, Barnhill, and Garland
If they’re not sleazy, how did people end up without heat? If this is a “specialty,” of their’s how did they screw it up so badly?
By the way, the legal fees for projects are typically about, depending on the sources, not less than 60,000. This is not pro-bono, below market legal work. It’s very lucrative.
I also leaned towards edwards, among the last three. But only gave money to Dodd, based on his constitutional commitment.
Thank you for your disclosure. I take you at your word.
That said, I find your piece here to be misleading, and overly spun. Entirely your right, of course. Makes me a bit sad, none the less.
LHP’s article shows that the disputed apartments were going to be rehabbed by Rezmar. This may be different from the original financing deal that Stellaaaa is talking about. Also the clients of the law firm were the nonprofits who went into business with Rezmar.
I am very concerned about this. Considering what the Republicans did with a money-losing deal called Whitewater, by the time they are done with Resko, Sen. Obama will probably look like a totally corrupt politician against pro-campaign finance reform Sen. McCain. It is a strong enough case that could cause Democrats to lose the GE.
Add into that my husband’s reaction to Sen Obama. After watching him sort-of answer questions on an ABC Nightly News segment, my husband said, “He didn’t answer any of them”.
I have heard local Democrats say that just can’t stand the thought of voting for Sen. Clinton. But, a lot of that is from how the Republicans have painted her over the years and remember they will be doing the same thing to Sen. Obama. I will be voting for her in the caucus on Saturday, because of her stand on universal health care. We have a business and do offer health care to our employees. Based on that experience, the downside of Sen. Obama’s plan is obvious.
Regardless who wins the primary, I will be voting for a Democrat in the GE. My husband on the other hand is going to have to make a choice and he hasn’t yet and probably won’t until filling out his ballot in November. He is so angry with Republicans, in essence, telling folks what religion to believe, that he might just hold his nose and vote for the Democrat for the first time in decades. We need to make sure that both Democratic candidates are fully vetted, before the Republicans start their attacks.
I don’t have any information about that - and, in fact, was disturbed by the “information” provided in this article until I started looking it up. But LHP’s mendacious description of the law firm leads me to doubt the rest of the story.
I never knew before that a law firm had to be “sleazy” to be involved in property cases or that they were ethically responsible for all the actions of their clients and clients businesses. Can you name a single non-sleazy major legal practice for me to use as a comparison?
You’re going to have do better.
Arthur Anderson used to be the most trusted name in accounting. Where are they now.
My first rule when dealing with any attorney is that I don’t trust them. Rule number two is, when in doubt, refer back to rule number one.
I’ve known lhp since she started commenting here iirc, around the time DeadEye shot Harry in the face. She, bmaz, Mary, and some others have forced me to soften my otherwise dismal opinion of most attorneys. Ripping her, only loses you points with me.
We cannot have a candidate in the general who get caught up in litigation. If Obama is dirty on this, I want to know now. I don’t have any more respect for Hillary than I do for Barack. I wanna know who can win in the general. Your comments here so far are not helping.
Right now this looks like a classic K-Street rip-off of HUD. If Barack missed that, he’s too dumb to be President. “Good government is not naive.” I’m just getting up to speed on this, but I trust lhp.
The article says directly, ”Through its partnerships, Rezmar remained a client of the firm when Obama was a state legislator”. Not directly! You may be able to make something of Davis joining the firm, but that is about it.
There certainly could be something here, but here’s LHP on comment 113
“EXACTLY!!! A guy like Obama doesn’t even consider going to a sleazy firm like this. Why wasn’t he as some white shoe firm. A guy with his resume from law school doesn’t need a firm like that.”
And that’s misleading, AT BEST. There are obvious reasons why a guy like Obama would go work for such a firm and the insinuation of ethical misbehavior is entirely based on misrepresenting the status of the law firm.
The firm represented Rezmar and the non profits.
I try to set my expectations low. It’s just the criminal code violations I hope they will occasionally notice and steer their clients away from.
No.
You backed yourself into this corner. Barack and Miner, Barnhill, and Garland were paid for this work. Now, they appear to be either dishonest (with federal tax dollars) or incompetent. I’d like to know which.
Frankly, inept in the Affordable Housing transactions. I don’t know if they were sleazy, but here in California, a firm that had clients that lost that many projects, I would rather be concerned in hiring. Also if I was the City of Chicago or other public entity I would disqualify them from participation, not knowing all the details, I lay as much blame to the local governments. But sometimes if a developer is connected, staff is forced to approve projects they may find questionable. In all Rezko’s connections, made it possible so that no one paid attention when millions of public funds were squandered.
Folks, if someone dries in their home town, what will happen in DC?
So, inept or sleazy the end result is millions of public funds squandered, people lost their housing and no one seemed to know or care about it. C’mon, neighborhoods are small places, people talk. He a “community organizer” turned lawyer, turned legislator, did not have an ear to the ground? or just clueless, or heartless? Makes me question his alleged “judgement” advantage. No experience and questionable judgement.
This stuff is basic community organizing 101.
I see federally subsidized apartments. I see a state Senator not acting on complaints from his constituents who don’t have heat or running water in those apartments. People die when that happens.
The same state Senator, who ignored complaints from his constituents, worked for the law firm that earned lots on these projects?
lhp and I are both going to vote for the Democratic nominee. We both, however, want this sorted out first.
You can talk all day about how well respected this firm is, I don’t think anyone is going to by it. It looks very, very bad.
Well said.
Thank you for that post. I will honestly admit that the general Anti-Obama tenor at this site has become so high that I have mostly avoided reading firedoglake recently. This is the first visit in a while. What I do agree with is that Obama needs quick and battle tested answers to questions about his present votes in the Illinois legislature and his connections with Rezko. But I find the level of discusison here about comparable to that in the early nineties in the New York Times on Whitewater. There was ultimately nothing there of significance, and while I believe Obama may have had some ethical lapses which he has publicly regretted, I doubt there is much of anything here. To that extent, I agree it is better to hear these attacks and respond to them from the left rathern than wait for the right to sharpen their daggers and bury them in unprepared flesh.
Two other points-
1) Somewhere in this long thread someone asked `where did Obama get that 32 million?’ referring I assume to the money raised in January. My best guess is small donors! Just like the now approac hing $8M he has gotten since the close of polls on Super Tuesday. The guy has figured out how to exponentiate the Dean/Kerry fundraising from 2004 in terms of internet based small donations. That is NOT big money donors giving to Obama.
2) Much of this ground has been covered very well already in a post on Daily Kos a few weeks back which debunks the claims against Obama on Rezko.
Cal Scientist, are you from Berkeley?
OT, could you be specific about that anti-Barack tenor here at FDL? Jane’s had posts about Jena. Hell, has Barack even mentioned it?
Thanks for the Kos link. Early on the author is wrong. State senator’s routinely get involved, very aggressively, when their constituents don’t have heat or running water. That’s one error, but other parts may have merit. I will get through it as I have time.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....838/445627
Frankly, that DKos was a trust us nothing went wrong post. No analysis, no questions. Just a sort of ” sit down you villagers, here is all this information, but don’t dare to use your judgement”. I find that many of the people who have tried to clarify Rezko, first of all don’t know anything about affordable housing transactions and tend to not do any kind of analysis of what is in front of them.
I was a strong Edwards supporter leaning towards Obama in January, then I started reading the Rezko investigations and the Reno Gazette interview, watched the whole thing 2-3 times compared to Hillary’s interview, and hands down, I became a Clinton voter and frankly scared of Obama.
I read it somewhere else: From Jesus Christ Superstar: ” I don’t know how to love him, he scares me so” .
He represented the non profit involved in a joint venture with Rezko. The law firm also represented Rezko. Fact check is wrong and so is Daily Kos. They were co general partners and the law firm represented both. These transactions are so complicated that people who do not know the field cannot be trusted to understand the complexity.
May I save Obama’s defenders time, trouble and space? Here are some brief, all-purpose responses:
(1) It’s all circumstantial.
(2) Everybody knows the Chicago press hates Obama.
(3) Years ago, let’s move on.
(4) What about Hsu? And Whitewater? And the Rose Law firm records?
(5) He was very young and a bit naive.
(7) Politics isn’t always pristine.
(8) A smear by fifth columnists from Hillary’s camp.
(9) What do you expect? FDL hates Obama.
(10) If you don’t understand that Obama is truly decent man, I just feel sor sorry for you.
Forgot one: everybody does it.
No, they don’t.
Tenants will not complain to politicians that are “connected” to their landlord. Rule # 1, fear for retrobution. (heck can’t spell it)
He who would sup with a real estate developer needs use a long spoon. Also see Geraldine Ferraro.
Guess what? Obama isn’t Mother Theresa ( which C.Hitchens probably thinks is a good thing). I’ve firmly decided against voting for him as my pastor or Rabbi. Snarkiness aside do I wish that this cloud- and maybe others-
were not hanging over him ? Of course. Do I think he may have behaved unethically ? Wouldn’t be surprised. Do I like that ? No.
With that out of the way can we more to the question of whether he’s a “good enough” politician. How do his ethics compare ,say, with Harry Truman’s? Whom I remember as the target of never ending conservative innuendo interalia because of his ties with the Prendergast machine.
So far my sense is that the Obama’s gave some hostages to fortune by accepting favors from Rezko.Perhaps ones that, pace DD, could be rationalized: two brilliant Harvard Law graduates who could have been earning 7 figure salaries had chosen for years to earn much less out of some combination of motives : ambition, desire to do good, whatever.(sort of like Bill and Hillary in the 70s) But life is for living , and they wanted to live somewhat better. In a nicer house.
Rezko’s quid for that quod may never have been presented. May never be.
Either way the transaction doesn’t make me think better of Obama. Or think he’s unelectable.
So LHP carry investigating the guy. If there’s real bad news there
I want to know it. But could you also try and cut down on the red herrings: the designation of his law firm as “sleazy” , the interjection about voting “present”. These merely distract and convey the ,I hope incorrect impression , that you are sufficiently prejudiced against him that you we can’t trust the facts you present. And we need to.
Cheers.
I don’t have the time or resources to delve into this, but clearly it needs a response that will satisfy any reasonable doubts. I’ve contacted the author of the Great Orange Satan piece with link to lhp’s piece and your comment specifically. Perhaps he’ll respond.
I think it’s a better practice here to speak for oneself, and let others do the same. And speaking for myself, your smirking little tone doesn’t impress.
Stellaaa - It would be helpful to look at the actual records before making the accusations you are making.
ArchPundit who is the best IL area expert provides a very detailed point by point analysis on all of the Rezko issues and includes the following on the involvement of the law firm with Rezko deals. Note again that the firm did not represent Rezko and that Obama’s involvement was extremely limited:
At the Tribune’s request, Cook County Circuit Court Chief Judge Timothy Evans produced a list of all 260 civil and criminal cases in which the firm filed appearances, and the Tribune separately examined 1990s lawsuits that Rezmar Corp. listed in applications for government grants. The paper also examined files from the Illinois Housing Development Authority and the city housing department, as well as the hundreds of clients Obama listed in the unusually frank ethics disclosure reports he filed as a state senator from December 1995 through April 2004.
Those and other records disclosed five instances in which Obama did legal work for ventures that included Rezmar Corp. The case of City of Chicago vs. Central Woodlawn Limited Partnership is one example.
In 1992, that community group partnered with Rezmar Corp. to rehab the former slum apartment building at 6107-6115 S. Ellis Ave. As work was ongoing, city officials sued the developers, alleging 16 serious code violations at the property, including a dangerously dilapidated porch.
Obama and a co-counsel filed appearances in February 1994, but the court records show they appeared on behalf of Central Woodlawn, Rezko’s non-profit partner, not Rezko or his company.
A separate attorney, Wayne Muldrow, represented Rezmar in the case. Muldrow, who had no connection to Obama’s firm, could not be immediately reached for comment Tuesday.
In September 1994, Central Woodlawn was ordered to arrange for an inspection. Two months later a city inspection found “full compliance” with the building code and the case was dismissed.
I know that facts are bothersome things and jumping to conclusions is so much more fun but it would be smart for people to actually read the reports on these issues rather than conjecture.
Obama worked for 5 hours on projects where the firm where he was a junior associate represented local nonprofits who were involved in low income housing projects with Rezko at a time when Rezko was a preferred developer for the City of Chicago. Local reporters have searched the court records and city records for evidence of additional involvement - and have not found it.
ff we’re wrong and this it explodes, it could put McCain in the White House with a lot of neocons telling him what to do. That’s at least one SC nomination and probably more along with the federal judges.
siun, this is from Miner, Barnhill, and Garland’s web site:
Emphasis is mine.
Housing projects sound like their bread and butter. Barack not only worked for a law firm who was involved, he’s the state Senator, who was not taking care of his constituents.
Believe me, I wanna be wrong.
Someone has to be held accountable.
Either Barack leads the charge to find out who screwed up, or this will taint him.
Again, I will vote for the Democratic nominee. The only Presidential candidate who has received money from me has been John Edwards.
Yes. We should investigate Obama. But it should be fair.OBTW I do not recommend that it should also be “balanced”. There’s absolutely no need to expand the Inqisition to include Hillary’s Hsu. Been there, done that, bought the T shirt.
But equally no need for FDL to posture itself as the second coming of Jeff Gerth. Once was enough. In fact, once , was once too many.
So Obama’s law firm was “sleazy” and you can’t name a single non-sleazy law firm. Ok.
You backed yourself into this corner. Barack and Miner, Barnhill, and Garland were paid for this work. Now, they appear to be either dishonest (with federal tax dollars) or incompetent. I’d like to know which.
No. There is not any allegation even that Miner,Barnhill did anything wrong, let alone Obama. Here’s the chain: Rezko is alleged to have done something illegal, his law firm is then tainted by rumor, and Obama is tainted because he worked for the law firm.
So let me rewrite on paragraph of LHP’s article to make it honest. Changes in bold.
When Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review, Rezko interviewed him for a job working for one of Rezko’s companies. Obama turned down the job, but instead accepted more a position at a law firm connected to Chicago’s progressive political scene and well known for its civil rights and public interest law where aside from cases involving voting rights, representing ACORN, and representing whistleblowers he had some participation in the work of the firm on [DELETE: he had a indirect employment at the law firm representing] a series of Rezko’s not-for-profit partners in the series of transactions to build and rehab low income housing that are now the subject of federal indictment in Chicago which US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald described as “pay to play on steroids.”
And I have not independently validated the description of the transactions.
Thanks. I’m not sure why you think the voting “present” isn’t an example of not great character. It’s not henious, but it’s not admirable either.
The law firm’s actions, I do find very troubling. And I’m not sure we know the whole story about the firm and these not for profits, which apparently didn’t exist until Obama incorporated them. Where they incorporated soley to partner up with Rezko? And if they were actual functioning independant groups, how is it that they all coincidently went to the same law firm?
And yes, a partenr becoming involved with Rezko’s underlying business while still at the firm, is a clear conflict of interest.
So, I think sleazy –which does not = violation of law, but does connote suspect practices is prabably the right word
Sorry about that. If I’d known I had an obligation to impress you, I’d have phrased things differently.
I’ll keep it mind for next time, though I have to admit that given your magisterially self-righteous tone, I doubt I’ll meet your noble standards.
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As the author of that despised Daily Kos post, let me respond to some of the nonsense in this article:
“You could assume constituent complaints would have come in and Obama’s law firm did the legal work for those government contracts and grants. Yet he denies knowing about it.” You could assume that, but you’d be wrong. Tenants don’t complain to state senators about the heat. They complain to city officials. Obama’s law firm did the legal work setting up the deals; they had nothing to do with Rezko’s mismanagement afterwards.
Rezko did write a letter of recommendation for the kid of his associate, and the kid got one of 99 summer internships (which pay a few hundred dollars and weren’t very competitive) in Obama’s office. Is it possible that the person in Obama’s office choosing interns recognized Rezko’s name and made sure to hire that kid? Maybe, but we don’t have any evidence of it. We don’t have any evidence Obama had anything to do with it. If internships for the kids of well-connected people are your test of corruption, I’m not sure any politician can pass that test
“Obama is mentioned in the federal criminal case against Rezko”, but not because Obama did anything wrong. No one alleges that at all. Obama is named because some of the money Rezko got illegally was then illegally funnelled by Rezko through a friend to Obama’s campaign. No allegation and no evidence that Obama knew anything about it.
Finally, here’s my favorite quote: “Interestingly, Obama suddenly left Nevada and flew back to Chicago on Sunday right after the caucuses” (allegedly out of fear of being named in the Rezko suit). Wow, that is incriminating. Barack Obama actually WENT HOME after the Nevada caucuses. That’s very suspicious, indeed.
www.obamapolitics.com
Arch pundit, whoever he is, is not an affordable housing expert. He did not do any original investigative work. He is an advocate for Obama. He synthesized information that was online. He is not the “last voice” on the matter. I took the same information and with 30 years of experience in the field have reached a different conclusion.
He missed the following questions:
1. How did a self avowed community organizer let himself get seduced by a developer for 17 years without going into the neighborhood, talking to the people and looking at the housing?
2. Is “did not know” an adequate answer for him who cares for the community?
3. Is blaming the “neighborhood demographics” the right answer for someone who claims he is the advocate for those voices that are forgotten?
4. I blame the City, the Law Firm , the non profit and Senator Obama for causing such a heinous damage to affordable housing. We have precious few affordable housing resources. There is no room for error. There is no room for negligence. Hundreds of non profits do these projects without such a high ratio of failure.
If you think it’s ok that he did not know, then that is fine. I do not. I find it deplorable. No apology, no remorse. Judgement: 0.
You’re missing my drift. I went back to Miner, Barnhill’s web site. This is their bread and butter, low-income housing and the slippery slope that “non-profits” have become. Given how close this appears to their core practice, I am even less likely to give them a pass for cashing checks from an indicted client. Based on what I read in their web site Minor Barnhill cannot claim ignorance. I think lhp’s concerns are on target. These guys are not incompetent, they’re bilking the taxpayers through HUD. Miner, Barnhill wanted an [Mod Note; racist reference removed] African-American to front their HUD rip-off and to further insulate Rezko. Jim Crow used Booker T. Washington the same way. They didn’t want to have to deal with WEB Dubois. Dr. King was very popular, because no one wanted to deal with Malcolm X or the Black Panthers. Barack fit right in and then was even more valuable to them in the state Senate. No, I don’t have any hard evidence, I’m just following the bread cumbs you keep leaving. Instead of addressing where my federal tax dollars went and why there was no heat and no running water, you started defending a
goddamnlaw firm. That’s what led me to their web site.As I said before:
So, did Oprah get punked by another guy with a book?
And there goes almost all the spurious accusations…and all of that from an easily obtainable source published in 2006. And which must have been available in the real estate Chicago media at the time…if the “researchers” interested in creating a scandal had really bothered to look.
There was no back-door purchase of the property by Michelle Obama…it was listed for several months without a buyer at the offered price. They were able to obtain it at a reduced price FROM THE OWNER. The lot had already been broken off to be sold separately by the previous owner. Obama bought a part of that plot from Rezko’s wife at the proportionate price paid for the lot.
Now if the OWNER had received a political favor there might be something here. But the Rezko’s sold Obama a section of their lot at the price (proportionately) to what they paid. No discount. And it was Obama who actually paid the “landscaper” to clean up the adjacent property…usually assertions of bribery go the other way…me thinks?
Consider this: Both properties on sale for a long time. Seller wants a simultaneous closing. In some deus ex machina fashion a 17 year supporter, buys the property next door. Obama himself called this “boneheaded” now are you gonna say it was not “boneheaded”. Or can we suggest that it was maybe not ethical? Rule of thumb for politicians: if you cannot eat it, don’t take it.
Wrong: When the Obama firm worked on the projects, they should have set up adequate operating reserves. Obama and his firm did not protect the non profit. Typically, the developer fee is held in a reserve account and released over time. In these deals, Rezmar took the fees and left all the reserves unfunded. How did Obama and the firm not see to that? How when the projects started falling apart (and they continued to do other projects) did they not challenge Rezmar?
This is completely negligent. Not knowing how to structure a LIHTC project to protect the non-profit and then telling us he did not know is beyond any ethical standards in community development practices.
Go read the MyDD piece linked in the post.
That’s not a “drift” it is a river of speculation.
Karl Rove, Barbara Comstock and all those GOP “non-profits” will hit Barack a lot harder on this than we will. Consider this “tough love.”
Sleazy…
April 23, 2007 - Sun-Times: Obama and his Rezko ties
Sleazy…
June 13, 2007 - Sun-Times: Obama’s letters for Rezko
LHP didn’t mention the word “sleazy” in the main piece, but in comments. But these links are in the piece.
More comprehensive response here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/7/82447/83503
Cripes, it’s sleazy. It’s not illegal, maybe, it’s sleazy. For someone who claims he is above regular politics it’s sleazy in my book. It’s my opinion based on all the facts that I have seen and my experience in affordable housing, community organizing and local government. Now he has to prove why I should not think it is. You can imagine it’s not, but I don’t.
LHP
Because he was voting “present” at the specific request of Planned Parenthood contrary to his personal preference to vote “No”. Which BTW would have prevented exposure to politically harmful allegations that he was failing to protect choice. In fact he took that risk as requested. And that no good deed should go unpunished is being duly criticized.
BTW for the sake of (I think over- praised)balance let me acknowledge here the fact that NOW disagreed with that strategy altho , I believe , they accept he was acting as requested by Planned Parenthood’s. See 299/297 above for the direct quote from Tracy Fischman.You could call her up.
It’s not my intention to attempt to routinely take issue with criticisms of Obama but in the case of the “present” vote it just seems like a bum rap.
In any event I hope you’ll continue to work this problem. If we lose this election the Supreme Court will be gone for decades If Obama is less electable than Hillary ,we’ve got to play our best card :fair or unfair.
Heh.
I see your Rezko and raise you a Frank Giustra, Denise Rich, Norman Hsu, Aaron Tonken, Peter F. Paul, Sant S. Chatwal, the IPA, Yah Lin Trie, John Huang, James Riady, Johnny Chung, Roger Tamraz, Jeffrey Epstein, John K.H. Lee, Pauline Kanchanalak, Ng Lap Seng, Abdul Rehman Jinnah, Ron Burkle, and Vin Gupta.
You want to call that raise?
An oreo?
What a classy website this is!