Exhibit A — AdNags in the NYTimes:
On the Democratic side, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama seem likely to continue their state-by-state struggle, after a night of tit-for-tat division of states and delegates, though Mrs. Clinton claimed the formidable prize of California.
But after months of disarray, Republicans seemed closer to coalescing around Senator John McCain of Arizona. As Mr. McCain logged victories in populous states, including California, and added more delegates to his count, he moved nearer his goal of wrapping up his competition with Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. A third Republican candidate, Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, underlined Mr. Romney’s weakness by posting a series of victories, in a performance that highlighted the discomfort social conservatives have with the field.
Mr. Huckabee’s relatively strong showing was both a blessing and a curse for Mr. McCain, though perhaps more of a blessing. It injected a small note of uncertainty into the Republican race, and potentially delayed the day when Mr. McCain would have the stage to himself. But Mr. Huckabee appeared to drain votes primarily away from Mr. Romney, contributing to his overall weak showing on this night.
You see, in AdNag’s world, the fact that McCain could "consolidate" his hold on the GOP race while losing all the Southern states and a whole chunk of the Western ones to Willard and the Baptist Bubba means that McCain is strong. McCain was far too weak to take any of those states on his own, even with the GOP Mantle of Inevitibility and a plus three shield of war heroism along for the ride. GOP pundits still hate his guts. And the wingnut-o-sphere loathes him more. McCain’s ground game couldn’t beat the "anyone but McCain" church lady phone trees in Georgia, where there is a military base in just about every direction which didn’t turn out McCain votes in nearly enough numbers to swamp Huckabee’s folksy evangelical sway. Yesterday, James Dobson announced his personal vitriol for McCain. On freaking primary day!
But, in AdNags world, that means "Republicans seemed closer to coalescing around Senator John McCain."
Meanwhile, turnout in the Democratic race has been ginormous, yet again. Youth vote, hispanic vote, african american vote, women, middle aged white men…you name it. Every possible constituency is coming out to vote in a primary race that has people more excited than I’ve seen in years. The youth vote, especially, has been fantastic. Dem turnout has been so huge that it has been freaking out GOP party leadership.
Both Democratic candidates have amazing ground games, they are turning out their voters in droves and people are willing to stand in enormous lines just to cast their ballots. Either way the vote goes, we have an opportunity to make history with a woman or an Afircan American at the top of the ticket. And people know that — and revel in their vote all the more as a result, whichever way they cast it, in the Democratic primary. And all of this has an excitement impact on every Democractic down-ticket race as well.
But, in AdNag’s world, that’s baaaaaaaad.
Someone wake me when this primary is over. I am seeing the mimicry of the AdNags "it’s all good alla time for the GOP" narrative seeded all over reports today. The stupid…it burns…
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zed…. hey Christy!!
CHS!
I do so love the use of Republicans in disarray.
No assonance, but poetic nonetheless.
Giving up a potential zed to spell check
^_^
ah, the return of “Democrats in Disarray,” a meme I’d missed greatly.
hiya, CHS!
It’s nice to see the republics having candidate issues for once.
Christy, I think you had a “Bwahahahahahaha!” missing there.
Be afraid, RNC. Be very afraid.
Hey all. Teddy — yes, oh, how I’ve missed it. For…um…about a week or so. *g*
Coincidentally, I just noticed this junk at top or Yahoo news, which I guess will be another Village meme:
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http://online.wsj.com/article/…..=yhoofront
When Will the Wounds Heal?
February 6, 2008; Page A4
WSJ
“The problem for Democrats is that the race is opening up the kind of sensitive divides that go to the party’s very identity as an institution that unites races and genders.”
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Seems to me that this tendentious cr*p will be another point of attack against Democrats. I don’t see nearly the bitter divisions among Democrats as there are in GOP ranks. But I think there will be many such articles worrying (in a the best, well-meaning helpful way, of course) about racial, gender, educational, HS vs college grade, cat-people vs dog people, white wine vs. red wine divides in the Democratic party, that will threaten something dire before the election.
Me, I was much more concerned about defeats in congressional primaries last night than who won what in presidential campaigns.
I spend a number of minutes worrying about Edwards in MD and wondering why no knews, until I found out MD primary is still in future.
And yes, the picture does crack me up…
Sorry for typos in my last comment. Trying to write quick during lunch break. Nice picture for the post. Would be a good standard illustration for corporate press stories.
You don’t actually think it’s going to stop any time soon, do you? In the Village, Hillary or Obama beating McCain in 42 states would be good for the Republicans – it’d let them refocus and come out roaring in 2010 and 2012.
Honestly, if you haven’t read the whole of the AdNags article, the wankery has to be read in full to be believed. Huckabee taking every Southern state? Great for McCain! Obama and Clinton turning out lots of voters? Clearly evidence of Dems in decline.
I’m not kidding…
Re the picture. About 15 years ago, my apt. bldg installed security cameras in the elevators. After they’d been in a month or so, I asked the doorman (where the monitors were located), “So, how many people pick their noses in the elevators?” He grinned at me and said, “A lot.”
Oh, God no. It won’t stop. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to mock them for the idiocy. *G*
That Dobson link is quite the slap in St. John’s face. It’s a good thing Dobson’s just a little private individual, talking to a friend. Imagine what a problem it would be for McCain if Dobson was a major evangelical pundit with millions of folks who listen to him every day.
Ah, it’s all good for the GOP.
Any thoughts on the ghost delegates of Michigan and their manipulation at a democratic convention where the prize is awarded not by the people, kind of like the supreme court anointing GWB. Forgive me if this is not on topic or very clear. It is just what pops into my mind as I read this.
Have you noticed that the “winner take all” rules the GOP operates by in most of their primaries is very much in tune with their economic policies?
btw, folks, I had my mammogram today. Just a friendly reminder to make sure you’ve had yours of you need to schedule one…
Just sent $25 to Howard Dean to help fight McCain’s so-called juggernaut.
All of that Democratic turnout makes me want to marry a box turtle.
Not exactly the picture I had in mind to carry today, thanks and yuk-smiles
Ick. I remember my last one. What a drag.
Best to you Christy
And for those inclined to help others, you can go to the Breast Cancer Site where your clicks can help provide mammograms for others.
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No doubt this last was left out by a careless copy editor but I am sure this is Nagourney meant to say.
You know, I don’t mind it, really. Better than the alternative. I had a lump removed (size of a golf ball) just after The Peanut was born — she was 3 months old when I found it — and it turned out to be precancerous, so it was good that we got it out early. My mom discovered a cancerous calcification because of a mammogram a few years ago — also caught it early. And with everything Jane has been through the past year, I’m so glad that she caught hers when she did with a mammogram as well.
I’d rather get mine and deal with a little discomfort to get the early diagnosis.
GOP voters in twelve states rejected John McCain yesterday. Overall, seventeen states have voted for other GOP candidates this year.
John McCain couldn’t attain a majority of the votes in his home state.
477 delegates are pledged to vote against John McCain; only 703 for him.
(These are truths you may not see emphasized in the products put out by McCain’s base, the Traditional Media.)
Yesterday when I went to the Democratic caucus, two thick lines of people waiting streamed down the block, and inside the hallways were packed shoulder to shoulder with people heading to different precinct destinations.
When I got home the local conservative corporatist non-Fox station – KSTP ABC channel 5 owned by Stanley “Mr. Potter” Hubbard – was broadcasting live from a Republican caucus location. They were gushing over the turnout, while in the background a couple of dozen people sat quietly in an auditorium.
Good point. Sounds like concern trollery to me. I figure if I can hold my nose and vote for the Democratic nominee this time around, anybody can. It’s not going to keep me from being critical of Obama and Clinton. While Democrats and many independents disagree on many things, getting rid of this old sick crew of Republicans is not one of them.
Albatross, that’s a great story.
Christy,
DO you see it going to the convention?
How do you feel if it comes down to the votes of the super delegates, meaning the primaries are a draw?
My sense is that the dems are going to have a huge turn out.
The people are pissed that their critters didn’t get us out of Iraq and then are finally waking up.
Most people can do little more than vote and vote they will.
It will be a dem landslide regardless of whether Hill or Obi get the nod.
It might be fun if Obama or Clinton intentionally leaked a letter to McCain informing him that, in their efforts to comprise a bipartisan cabinet, he was on the shortlist for consideraton as a Deputy Secretary of Transportation.
Alrighty now.
I just went up to Voter Registration, got that all straightened out and have my ballot in my greasy little paws
I narrowly missed being interviewed for the local Tee Vee station, they were just finishing up with a guy when I walked by and were gone when I came out.
They probably got one look at me and RAN to the nearest exit, I just had crawled out from under a truck and haven’t trimmed my facial hair in a few days,
I’m going for that crazed, zealot DFH look.
It’s probably just as well, I’d have given them an interview they wouldn’t have forgotten for a long time. It’s nice being informed, even if I am scruffy.
I don’t think I can caucus this weekend because they won’t get my change posted soon enough and they have to mail me my new registration card.
At least I get to vote.
THROW THE BUMS OUT!
Don’t you wonder sometimes how often that is the case? I mean, honestly, I remember reading a lot of reports on how huge the turnout was for the Obama rally in MN last week, and there was coverage of either a McCain or Willard rally (can’t remember which candidate) where there was supposed to be equally large turnout — and the difference was close to 20,000 people for Obama and something like 200 for the GOP candidate.
Um…hello?!? In what universe is that the same level of excitement?
LOL
I think it very well could go to the convention. The thing about Super Delegates is that a lot of them are also elected officials. Which means they pay very keen attention to which way the political wind seems to be blowing. And they may commit early on to a particular candidate, but there is no requirement that they vote that commitment by the time the DNC rolls around if the political mood has shifted.
So I think that is very, very fluid…and will likely get resolved by where the majority of public opinion is at that point. In other words, as much up for grabs as everything else.
Need to have health insurance first!
Remember: we won’t have universal health care until we have a filibuster proof Congress. Work hard at the local level to get Dems to Congress.
Teddy — that is so true. And the worst part is that Democratic pundits aren’t bothering to point that out, either. Some days, I just want to throw up my hands in disgust.
Is this the same John McCain who seriously considered joining the Democratic party? The same John McCain who John Kerry wanted for a running mate? That’s who the GOPs are gonna nominate? Really?
Republicons-good night and good bye
The Fat lady is singing and no matter what you all do-it’s over, so again good night Mr. Kristol, good night Brit and you too Sean and all the rest whose 2 degree view of life leaves them little latitude for what is called humanity.
tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26_CSzk3Xw&feature=related
What would look creepy is if the super delegates end deciding the winner. It would appear almost like the 9 supremes giving it to W… elected officials deciding what the people’s reps couldn’t.
This might get very interesting. It looks like it’s pretty much a draw today and the spinners are whirling faster then a dervish!
Agree that it is likely to go to convention. Look at where we are now. With proportional allocation, there’s no way to put it away.
Interesting to see though, that the Rs with winner take all, haven’t settled on a candidate so clearly. Though I will say that I think AdNags is right about one aspect, McCain will be the Nominee. Though coalesce might not mean what he thinks it means.
All the ipinion polls and the pundits are off. It’s all bets are off. The world gone weird.
The other thing about the superdelegates is that they were all elected to something, in order to become a superdelegate in the first place.
Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were elected president of the United States.
All the Democratic governors were elected to their posts.
All the Democratic members of the US House and Senate were elected to their offices.
All the State Democratic party chairs were elected to their posts.
Howard Dean was elected to his post as head of the DNC.
The processes for becoming a superdelegate vary, but every single one of them was elected in one way or another.
I am not worried about superdelegates.
Ding! Mammo caught my mom’s Breat CA at Stage I – small enough that it won’t end her life. After treatment, she is now CA free.
I’m a guy, so I can’t say I know what mammo feels like. I do know I feel grateful that it saved my mom from fatal breast cancer.
Sparkatus February 6th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Though coalesce might not mean what he thinks it means.
More like putting flour directly in a pan making gravy, all you get is lumps of gooey dough.
I’d like to see one or both be decided at the conventions. I’ve seen enough of these 3 or 4 day coronation events.
The “winner take all” aspect is so under-discussed in the GOP context. It was designed to get them a nominee early, just like SC was put into play early by Lee Atwater to be the firewall to a “not conservative enough” candidate getting the nomination back in the day. There are so many controls in place for an early coronation for them, and yet there still isn’t a settled one just yet.
One of the many reasons that Haley Barbour was stumbling around so much yesterday. Digby pegged his appearance last night exactly right on Fox — he pulled the same damned dodge and phony show on MSNBC last night as well. Goober…
Stick a protruding body part in the refrigerator door and close it. That should give you an idea.
;)
I worked at precinct in Cali (Mostly dems)
we had a few repuglitards
about 6 times as many democrats
one of our three green party voters asked how to spell Barak Obama
and one lady stood and cursed the war and bush until I asked her to stop
the turnout wasn’t overwhelming (lower than the 2006 general) but it was steady and above average
use this data as you will
looks good for the Democrats from where I sit
The pukes might splinter or many stay home in disgust. They can’t be too thrilled about the W work of the last 8 years and more of the same?
The fundies are not going to be motivated for Mav.
Big biz is counting on buying out the dems this cycles believing greed knows no party affiliation. They don’t care who takes their bribes as long as they get what they want. CORP handouts!
Not having health insurance doesn’t mean that you can’t get tested. While taking the Bush approach of going to the emergency room won’t help in this area, there are free options out there, depending on where you live.
More broadly, I’m always intrigued by situation where people I know (and who have sufficient money) don’t get care because health insurance won’t cover it. After all, it is your health. Get it done.
Dem turnout has been so huge that it has been freaking out GOP party leadership.
It’s gonna be mighty hard for the RNC to steal the vote this time around… ;-)
Kirk – my doctor once made fun of my complaints about mammo discomfort and my answer to him was, “Once someone comes up with a test for testicular cancer that reproduces the sensation of a mammogram, I’ll listen to what you have to say. In the meantime, you have no idea….”
Yes but once elected the person does what THEY want to do.
Bush doesn’t listen to the people? Not all the critters listened to the people after 06. Once in they do what THEY think is best. Elected by independent of the voters.
It’s just as stupid in the blogosphere. There is serious denial going on. The masks have come off. TPM now seems to have bought into the Obama narrative as well.
I blame the primary system. Caucuses are too dependent on group dynamics. There’s no privacy to vote for the candidate who is universally hated by the irrationally exuberant activists for Obama. It’s intimidating. Plus, this proportional voting thing just drags out the season, costing everyone a s%^&load of money. There have to be some standards set. Like, if you take a state by 60% or greater, you get the entire slate. Not sure that would have helped last night but I’m willing to review the process more thoroughly. There is already talk about disenfranchising those of us in the BIG Democratic states of CA, NJ, NY if Obama earns a smidge more delegates. We’ve already told Florida and Michigan to take a hike. By giving the edge to Obama because he managed to carry more Utahs and Alabamas, we are effectively nullifying the results of this primary season for the vast majority of Democratic voters. and for what? Because Tweety and his pals and the big boy bloggers just can’t stand to lose? We’ll see about that. I don’t think the big states are just going to fork over their delegates because Obama throws a fit and threatens to take his ball and go home.
Ah, well. We’ll see how it goes from here on out. Maybe CA, NJ, NY, MA and AZ will give the Clintonistas courage in the remaining caucus states. It ain’t over yet.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com
Our local hospital offers a free screening period every year for very minimal or no cost mammograms, depending on budgetary needs of the patient. A lot of hospitals do because catching things early is somuch more effective in terms of treatment — and cost. Worth checking into, and all it takes is a call to the hospital’s x-ray department.
AdNags failed to mention we’ll steal their wimminfolk and practice dee-botchery on ‘em while Johnny will bring cookies to poor old widowed spinsters like Dobson, Coulter, Limbaugh and Goldberg, all of whom devoured their mates after tying them up in websilk for hanky panky.
My cremasteric reflex feels your pain!
Uhh – off topic, but with this brain trust the benefit may exceed the risk.
Anyone have any experience substituting duck eggs for chicken eggs in waffles?
Apologies for the avian OT…
Large democratic turnouts are good for the Republicans.
They may not be able to steal it but with the MSM narrative going full time spinspinspin to cover the votes they do rig, I don’t think we’ll end up with a fillibuster proof majority. And I hate to be so pessimistic.
Kirk – one duck egg will equal two large chicken eggs.
Then there’s this on the ballot shortage in California yesterday:
Yep! Excess demand for ballots? Really not a problem on the Republican side.
Had to go look up cremasteric reflex. Reminds of the Seinfeld ‘turtle’ episode. :)
Thanks, Toby!
But now I’m afraid to approach my refrigerator.
That’s a great local hospital. Key point is not to let insurance execs dictate your health in cases where they don’t have to…
LOL! Choked on my popcorn.
Oh yeah, the DEMOCRATS are in disarray? (Snort) How about the wheels ar e coming off hte bus at the RNC?
http://www.politico.com/news/s…../8349.html
AdNag is just one more reason why I don’t even bothering lining the cat box with the NYTimes.
Truth and Accountability Commission in 09
Make no mistake. The corporate media has their man and they will do whatever to see McCain in the WH. Not only must the Democratic candidate run against the Republican they must run against the corporate media. They need to turn this into a learning moment for the American public. It’s time the myth of a “free” press is exposed for the sham that it is.
Holy Moly!!! You should post that upstairs on Jane’s new thread.
Rising demand by Dem and Indie voters has occurred in 2004, 2006 and 2008, and the GOP responded with more disenfranchisement, more fear and every trick they could use to match and offset it. Their coalition has shattered on the shoals of neoconviction in the hands of the Urban Cowpoke President and all their trickery no longer can come close.
All they have left is a national security emergency to attempt and it’s looking like a pretty deranged bunny they’ll be trying to pull from that hat.
Why are so many Republicans choosing to retire instead? Did they see the spectre of the Grim Reaper knocking at 2008’s door?
They can still do a false flag terra attack and try to align the sheeple once again.
Oh, the wry, it delights. Wangdang one might say that new job has gone to your he… oh, wait…
CHS:
Be consoled. The whole country will be watching the DNC and neither Adam Nagourney nor anyone else will be able to tell them what they’re seeing and hearing.
This myth that a contested primary hurts the party is a self-interested establishment myth; they want to pick the winners.
There was sopmething from a local Connecticut paper that I posted yesterday that said that Democratic new registrants since October were outstripping Republicans 3:1 and that INDEPENDENTS were changing their registration to “Democrat” at a rate of 4:1 over Republican.
I think that’s more than a little suggestive.
BTW here are some rough party vs. party turnouts (K=1000)
- Alabama 530K Democratic vs. 538K Republican (largely Huckabee evangelicals)
+ Arkansas 270K vs. 195 K [Hillary almost beat the combined Republicans by herself…this is Huckabees home state yet he got 70K less than Clinton]
- Arizona 369K vs. 433K [McCain home state]
+ Calif. 2.5 Million vs. 1.5 Million [Hillary beat top 3 Rep. Candidates on her own votes]
+ Conn. 351K vs. 150K [both Obama or Clinton outpolled the combined three Repubs.]
+ Delaware 96 K vs. 60K [both Obama and Clinton outpolled McCain+Romney combined]
+ Georgia 1.23 million vs. 950 K [Obama outpolls Huckabee+McCain]
+ Illinois 1.95 million vs. 882K [Obama easily outpolls all combined Republicans, Clinton almost beats McCain+Romney]
+MAss 1.35 million vs. 478K either Clinton or Obama beats the entire combined Republican turnout]
+Missouri 822K vs. 580K [either Obama or Clinton alone beats combined top two Republicans]
+NJ 1.13 million vs. 543K [Clinton alone beats combined R turnout, Obama beats McCain+Huckabee turnout]
+NY 1.75 million vs. 604K [either Clinton or Obama beat the whole Rep. field alone]
+OK 518K vs. 335K
This is why I’m still not convinced the excitement and turnout on the Dem side is a guarantee of victory.
Yes, people want change, but McGrumpypuss got the vote from Republicans OPPOSED TO THE WAR. Think about that — the guy who makes Bush look sane when it comes to Iraq won among those who hate Bush’s Iraq policy.
And all because the media typographically fellates McNotarealwarhero every chance it gets, just like AdNag did today. Thus, the fly-by voters never learn the truth.
There’s still a LOT of work ahead, folks. Let’s try to remember that through the rest of the primary and try to focus on the guy we know we’ll be up against (McDumbass) instead of shredding each other to bits (not necessarily anyone here — that’s more aimed at the Hillary and Obama campaign folks).
Well, I have some news for AdNags: the plan is to be there to watch it in person. So they can take a pre-cooked narrative and stuff it. *g*
IF anyone is still down here – we have important stuff to do upstairs – in a Live Chat with John D Laesch… from IL-14 (hastert’s old seat)
AZ is a closed primary – the voter registration is pretty even D/R/I… lots of stories of the independents showing up at the polls to vote and being turned away.
Oklahoma ???
Missouri ???
Georgia ???
Arkansas ???
and we nearly got Alabama too ???
holy electoral map, cinnamonape
we’re lookin at a frickin ASS WHIPPING in the makin here
when was the last time Alabama and Georgia went Democratic ???
(trent lott, we’re lookin in your direction)
we got work to do in Arizona
2008 is beginiing to resemble a repuglitard nightmare with a crystal gayle soundtrack (democrats blew by you)
whaaaaaa ???
2008,the year the repuglitards go the way of the dinosaurs ???
stupid fuckers
just cuz you don’t believe in evolution don’t mean evolution don’t believe in you
karma’s a bitch, and she’s got evolution’s back on this one
see ya in the history books
In the San Antonio paper, McCain “surged” and has nearly clinched the nomination (no mention of the nearly broke Huckabee deadenders), while Hillary and Obama battle on. Someone was trying WAY too hard with that one.