…the real size is not, as many news stories have reported, $515.4 billion—itself a staggering sum—but, rather, $713.1 billion.
Before deconstructing this budget, let us consider just how massive it is. Even the smaller figure of $515.4 billion—which does not include money for fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—is roughly equal to the total military budgets of all the rest of the world’s nations combined. It is (adjusting for inflation) larger than any U.S. military budget since World War II.
As always, this is stunning in its size and waste. And, as ever, with the exception of a few reporters it is not even discussed. And what have we gotten the last seven years — hell the last nearly 20 since the fall of the Soviet Union for this extravagance?
…but wait, now how much would you pay?
There is another way to probe this question. Look at the budget share distributed to each of the three branches of the armed services. The Army gets 33 percent, the Air Force gets 33 percent, and the Navy gets 34 percent.
As I have noted before (and, I’m sure, will again), the budget has been divvied up this way, plus or minus 2 percent, each and every year since the 1960s. Is it remotely conceivable that our national-security needs coincide so precisely—and so consistently over the span of nearly a half-century—with the bureaucratic imperatives of giving the Army, Air Force, and Navy an even share of the money? Again, the question answers itself. As the Army’s budget goes up to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force’s and Navy’s budgets have to go up by roughly the same share, as well. It would be a miracle if this didn’t sire a lot of waste and extravagance.
I’m sure "Mr. Straight Talk" would be right on this, no?
Ike tried to warn us, but we didn’t listen.
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edwards and stop the telecoms.
clinton and obama out front on this or you are dead to me.
(now, to read the post.)
how are we going to be safe if we dont have a millitary on steroids
If it worked for baseball it will work for the DOD.
Ike?
what did he know about the military?
now, Bush is a genius when it comes to that, and he knows how to sell him some ballpark bonds.
home home on the range. where seldom is heard a discouraging word and laura and the downers are the rage.
“teh obscenity of it, teh obscenity of it all” – quote from a witness at the crash and burn of the country
Pardon me Mr. Ping, could you spare a trillion bucks or two? I have a bloody lie to maintain.
BBC this morning has several items:
The son of British privilege has some words for the son of Amerikan privilege
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7227627.stm
A handy scorecard (map) for Tuesdays election indulgences
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_…..223461.stm
and do you recall the Whitehouse edict about broccoli? And the results are in this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7226872.stm
I have used up all my allowed links, enjoy
350!
Speaking of what all that defense money might be used for, Juan Cole passes on a report that the Iraqi negotiators over the forces agreement want the U.S. to agree not to launch attacks on Iraq’s neighbors from Iraqi soil.
http://www.juancole.com/2008/0…..aq-us.html
Wonder if the MSM will bother to inform us of this?
1,742 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Attaturk and the Late Nite Firepup Freedom fighters:
We have reached the end of corporate capitalism but not the end of imperial corporate power…the laundering of transfers of wealth from the workin’ class and the poor to the oligarchy through military budgets and the direct transfers of federal monies to the wealthy from tax cuts if allowed to play out will end in a general political revolt (peaceful or otherwise) but probably not before the entire social and economic structure of the country is destroyed. We are in a HUGE tub of shit and if anyone thinks that ANY of the current aspirants to the presidency will have the courage ta lead us outta this mess without a tidalwave of progressive change in the congress…well, I wanna smoke whatever it is
yer smokin’. So…
KEEP THE FAITH AND TELL THE BASTARDS WHERE WE’RE GOIN’ BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR LEADERS AND THEY MUST LEAD US!!!
Anybody out there this AM??!!! Hey Raven, you copy?
Some of us are always here, dear keeper of the fire. *g*
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Herbert in the NYT today. Bobo has gone all over concern troll. He typed something called “The Cooper Concerns,” where he says there are certain moments when Hillary Clinton’s dark side emerges and threatens to undue the good she is trying to achieve. Bobo, go worry about your guy’s age, temperament and policies. Kthxbai. Mr. Herbert’s column is titled “Winds of Change,” and he says the fight for the nomination, one of the best political dramas in decades, has always resembled a contest between realists and dreamers. As for me, I would much rather be a dreamer than caught in the nightmare that is the Bush administration.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready. Because it’s not only Super Tuesday but also Mardi Gras let’s celebrate with some king cake. 350 days of W. Laissez les bon temps roulez!
so how is it gonna be possible for ANY president to not only reduce the budget, but reclaime the assets that are allready given to the military war complex?
if they reduce the budget the republicans are gonna shout from the highest mountain;
“democrats don’t support the military, they hate the military, woe is us, we are gonna get attacked and it will be the democrats fault”
and they will sweep into power once again
I’ll tell you how;
by innoculating the voters against that strategy, knowledge is power and they have to educate everyone what the bush has done to us and enumerate the real cost to our children and our grandchildren
I do not envy one bit the next democratic president
Good Morning! Last night I was bombarded with phone calls, anyone else?
Amen to that. I do hope that all who can vote for Edwards today so that he may still keep the balance of power between our two nebishes. What a farkin’ mess.
Of course after the coming (expensive) nuclear holocaust those that survive will have to do with bows and arrows.
Cajones and the support of the population not the MIC. Regretfully none of the candidates that have been bought for us will stand up for the people
Good morning.
How is the military budget divided between war toys and troops?
Question. If MitttheMutt is elected prez. will the mormons be able to safely maintain their missionary positions overseas?
Washington’ Farewell Address warned of the danger of political parties and foreign entanglements.
Jefferson feared the rise of a corporate aristocracy and constitutional usurpation, under the color of law, in the name of endless profit!
Ike warned of the military corporate industrial complex, a corporate war machine.
Today’s White House is filled by corporate aristocrats whose relationships with foreign nation(s) in the name of corporate profit usurps constitutional checks and balances, and lines the pockets of the MICC and oil industries!
All three of these warnings have been ignored. All three warnings merged into one, give perspective to the “rape” of America taking place today by “corporate interests.” The same type of corporate interests which under the power of a King, raped the American colonist.
America should go back and reread the works of our founders, who dealt with a King and his corrupt corporate cohorts in colonial crime.
EXXON MOBILE 60.6 Billion record Profit “Would you walk a mile for a Camel cigarette today??
All that money for what? The military failed to protect us on 9-11-01. They couldn’t even protect the Pentagon.
Is E*Teller around this AM. This OT info from Sen. Tubes land.
Now it seems, though, that authorities are looking into whether Allen carried on a relationship with 14 year old crack-addict Bambi Tyree.
Now we are truly at the heart of gooper country.
All day long, according to Mr. Marion in Savannah, and 3 or 4 last night. Also people from Clinton, Obama, Huckabee and McCain came to the door. Mittens ignored us. Our feelings are hurt, so we won’t vote for him!
And the candidates we have been given will continue, or expand, the process. Welcome to ‘merca
Don’t forget we have a recent Blue America candidate that’s currently taking on the Mil-Indust Complex in court and in front of Congress. Imagine a Congress with a bunch of Alan Graysons running around. We can make that happen if we try hard enough.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01…..son-fl-08/
Chalmers Johnson nailed the tragic results of not heeding Ike’s warning a while back @ Tomdispatch… recently re-published at Le Monde diplomatique:
http://mondediplo.com/2008/02/05military
i’m not sure i like the term “military keynesianism” but whatever it is — 50 years of focused development and growing dependence on a military and war economy aint a small prob…
You’ve got that correct. Even with all the money and evidence “prior” to 911 the government and its agencies failed horribly! Now we spent huge sums of money and resources……..
Corporate Greed is the problem. The constitution was designed to address these imbalances. That is if the rule of law is not usurped????
there is no such thing as a “war economy”, there is no dividend in war spending, the dividend is in peace
or should I say, a “war economy” is an economy that will bankrupt the country and leave it ripe for overthrow
I’m here – got up at 2:15 a.m. unable to sleep. The cats kept on trying to crawl under the covers and fighting each other for space on my belly. That it is minus 20F outside might have a bit to do with their antics.
Yeah, our pols are going down in flames. but they’re still trying to convince us that without their prowess at getting earmarks, we’d be guarded up here by SPADs instead of F-22s….
Welcome to Super Duper Tuesday, pups!
do not be so sure?
Oh boy. It’s gonna be a crazy day. Obama up 13 now in California according to Zogby, while another poll has Hillary gaining yesterday in Cali to a 10 point lead. I’ve started looking back at what some of these mysterious polling companies have been predicting so far, and what the actual (supposedly) results were. They’re all over the place to the point that they seem totally worthless except to influence public opinion.
Good morning!
Fasnacht Day here Marion, and beings that I’m not the last one up here, I’m not the fasnacht.
But I am I’m thinking maybe my boss will make this since he’s been threatening to, today is the day for it — although technically not made from fasnachts, it’ll do.
You know I wish, whole heartedly, that I were not so sure. I sincerely wish that there was some hope but I have none. I have rarely been so disheartened by the candidates offered to us.
or should I say, a “war economy” is an economy that will bankrupt the country and leave it ripe for overthrow
glad to hear from a specialist in economic ontology.
so let’s just describe the military-industrial complex as the largest most essential part of the american economy over the last fifty-some years for no apparent reason…
and i dont know what you ’should’ say, but ‘bankrupt’ is what johnson details fairly well.
Nice boss. Looks like a very healthy dish. ;=)
Good morning all.
We have spent so much on war killing life in the name of defense, when the real defense for America is “ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.” Lead the world instead of using military power to protect the status quo, your gas tank, their cash cow!!!
Ironic, four year to build a “nuke” used on Japan and now 2008, our instilled addiction to gasoline is unabated??? GO figure!
At what point will people realize, the war should be on energy, not a war to continue the energy delivery system of corporate oil whores!!! Like crack dealers………………..
All earmarks have hereby been banned by the emperor. In a statement he said. “There will be no money back to states I want it all to build bombs”
One of the most decorated Generals in U.S. history, Maj. General Smedley Butler, began blowing the whistle on war profiteers in the 1920s and 30s. He would testify to Congress and write a lot about it including this 1935 book which is all online now:
http://warisaracket.com/
In it he’s warning against developments which would end up becoming WWII. Butler was claiming this avaoidable, and was happening because war profiteers throughout the world know that perpetual war mean perpetual profits. Sound familar as we “spread democracy” through the Middle East?
Oh, you’ve not only reminded me of my year in Germany, you’ve also given me a new recipe for what may be the single most artery-clogging breakfast food I’ve ever seen! Although, as a purist who has a Krispy Kreme store about 1/4 mile down the road, I’m not sure if this is heresy or not…
Our military does not defend us but is used to intimidate other nations and make some folks a lot of money.
All the DOD budget except troop’s pay ends up in some corporation.
Who would come and occupy america? What do we have that they must win by force that they can’t buy with now useless dollars?
What a myth to serve one’s country in the armed forces? Killing, maiming, subjugating bombing occupying terrorizing, torturing, polluting… all great ways to serve.
We have been brainwashed very nicely to see the military through rose colored glasses.
See the Century of the Self
http://video.google.com/videop…..;plindex=0
[mod note: Dial-up user warning - link is to a 58 minute video.]
Morning Marion. Maybe it should be 350 days until we can laissez les bon temps roules, No really good times until Jan. 19th at noon, and then it’s only the promise of them. With exceptions. like breakfast at the Marions.
Nobody came to our door. Even the Clinton robo calls stopped. Maybe the BlueBayState is paralyzed with grief. As for the RedheadHousehold, we have our eye on the day pitchers and catcher report to Spring Training this month, when all of the BlueState turns Red, the good one.
On deadline, so I’ll be mostly lurking.
Colin Powell is no Smedley Butler! Powell, like Butler had an opportunity to blow the “Iraqi oil Plot” wide open for public consumption, as Butler did with the 1933 Business Plot! He did not and is a responsible party for the “Iraq Oil Plot.” It is to bad Mrs. Powell who on Larry King live stated: “my husband was used…” could not get her husband to follow her take on the matter…… a fraud!!!!
Oh yes, finalish thought.
Where will you be watching the results. My local Drinking Liberally is watching together in student bar’s upstairs room.
Today’s it–so-called tsunami Tuesday. I’m caucusing for Edwards in Minneapolis. Obama’s supposed to carry MN…
Someday I’d love to hear about your year in Germany!
.
here’s what’s coming up on Washington Journal:
7am – Newspaper Articles & Phones
7:30 – John Zogby, Zogby International Polling, President & CEO
8am – Rep. John Spratt (D-SC), Budget Committee Chair
8:30am – John Zogby, Zogby International Polling, President & CEO
9am – Newspaper Articles & Phones
9:30 – Mike Leavitt, HHS, Secretary
More Republican-lites supporting Obama:
The Grateful Dead, Tom Hayden, and Joan Baez. I guess they’re all just sexist Hillary-haters.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=280073
http://www.reuters.com/article…..6220080205
Morning or midnight or whatever, since it’s surely dark. Seems you have underage sex and collusive parents receiving gifts over at TPM-muck.
Not doing it there, reported there.
Guess it’s the -20 that drives a man to the arms of a 14 year old. What was he thinking…or does he think, your Mr. Allen.
you have had the videotapes, now the sex, when’s the rock and roll?
One thing to be aware of on defense spending. It is a lower percentage of U.S. GDP than it has been several times in the past. Don’t hold me to the numbers, but I think it’s around 3-4% now, and during Vietnam & Korea it got up to the 5-7% range. At 7% of GDP, defense spending would be nearly $1 trillion. So defense spending around today’s levels will by no means bankrupt the economy by itself. It’s quite sustainable and if you’re going to rally against it, you should use other arguments.
Sorry to have repeated your news. It was the lack of coffee. so now to repair that situation.
GDP is not what the US gov spends. It the some of all goods and services. How much of the US budget is spent on the military is the more relevant question.
1,742 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Biodun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Uuuu-ya, brother Biodun!! My three kids (two techers and a U of MN sophomore) are all caucusin’ fer O’Lieberman today. I still have a very tight knote of caution about the guy and will until I find out who owns ‘im and what his obligations are to the Daley machine but havin’ said that…the only candidate that ken lead a watershed election of change (see 1932) is the Junior Senator from Illinois. So…
KEEP THE FAITH AND HIT THE CAUCUSES AND THEN THE BARS…THE BASTARDS NEED TA KNOW YER SERIOUS!!
You are doing what the media does, “reinforcement,” but in a more positive way! That is OK!!!
The relevant metric depends on what Q you are addressing. I was addressing the issue of economic sustainability only. If you want to talk about other issues, than other metrics may be relevant.
And regardless of how much we do spend it is more than all the other nations spending on their military combined.
Something is wrong with this picture.
I wrote about Bush’s kissing earmarks bye-bye the other day.
BlueStateRedHead,
I’m not sure the Bill Allen sex with a minor story will end up with charges. I talked with one of the investigators, and she says the case is very weak. Besides, Allen is already destined to prison for the rest of his life.
eCahn, we are diverting our tax dollars and borrowing to support our government spending. That’s a metric that makes no sense!
We have real domestic needs, like infrastructure and education and health care and environmental clean up to spend on. Why do we borrow to waste on dead end military expenditures?
Yes there is something very wrong with this picture!!
Good Morning ET!
they sure are keeping you busy up there, what with all the scandals. Tell us about the radio gig.
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m only suggesting an argument not to use.
As the Fed deficit balloons to unprecedented numbers, I’m curious how any current spending could be considered sustainable.
Plus, I’d be curious to see what percentage of the defense spending in past times actually went to decent pay and benefits for actual military familes, as opposed to now where so much seems to be funneled right into the private sectors, who then just keep it for themselves and utilize tax loopholes to avoid contributing to society hardly at all.
here’s what’s REALLY wrong with the picture;
America is no longer a guarantee to be the provider of the hardware OR the manpower, for instance, let’s look at
the brown shirtsI mean blackwaterIke was a Republican (maybe like Specter or any other perceived rabble rouser) who could be depended on to quietly turn and toe the party line. Ike didn’t do anything about curtailing the growth of the Military Industrial Complex while he had the opportunity to do so as President. He gave this speech on his way out the door. Nice to have the sound bite, but the context of it stands thusly.
Budgets 2002 for NATO countries in billions of US dollars
Country Budget
(in Billions)
United States of America 489.20
United Kingdom 38.40
France 29.50
Germany 24.90
Italy 19.40
Spain 8.40
Canada 7.40
Netherlands 6.60
Turkey 5.80
Norway 3.80
Greece 3.50
Poland 3.50
Belgium 2.53
Denmark 2.40
Czech Republic 1.62
Portugal 1.30
Romania 1.15
Hungary 1.08
Slovakia 0.45
Bulgaria 0.43
Slovenia 0.31
Lithuania 0.23
Luxembourg 0.18
Estonia 0.13
Latvia 0.12
Iceland 0.03
Why don’t other countries feel the need to spend their “wealth” on a military as we do?
Answer: they spend money on things which benefit their people.
All military spending expect troops pay and other salaries ends up in corporate accounts. Whose laughing all the way to the bank while “protecting” america?
Pretty disgusting statistics. Is America expecting an invasion from another Planet???
I’d be interested to hear what makes you call Joan Baez a “Republican Lite.” It seems to me that her entire career gives the lie to that.
Ike warned us and no one listened because lobbyists and PR was used to skeer muricans into paranoia.
Like who is going to land on our shores and take over this nation?
The great US military can’t pacify Iraq, the size of CA after it had been bombed relentlessly for a decade.
Our military’s recent victories include Granda and Haiti.
Actually, federal govt deficits are a smaller percent of GDP than they were during Reagan. And Medicare is a big contributor; military spending is not the only problem. The differences between Reagan & W is that the boomers are much closer to retirement, so there is much less room in the future to accumulate the tax dollars needed to pay for their retirement. The second difference is that foreigners (esp. China, OPEC, India) are financing as larger percentage of the U.S. economy, esp the federal deficit. As these situations have persisted for years, it’s hard to know when the sh*t will hit the fan. More likely later than sooner.
Citizen Norske…My district (MN-05) is the bluest in MN…So Obama will carry it for sure. He’ll carry St. Paul as well Both critters in those districts, Keith Ellison and Betty McCollum, are Obama supporters. My 19-year-old daughter, a Carleton sophomore, is also an Obama supporter (not surprising–she looks like Obama, if you know what I mean). My 17-year-old son will be 18 in April, and so is hoping to have a chance to vote for Obama in general…
Yes, I’ve wondered about that as well. Did he all of a sudden have a “come to jesus” moment as his Presidency wound down? Was he just trying to leave a false legacy?
Why was he such close friends with the known war profiteer (and Nazi banker no less!) Prescott Bush:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..ower_1.jpg
Was Ike “keeping his enemies closer?” Complicated questions…
Part of other countries’ ability to spend on domestic priorities rather than defense is because the U.S. has taken on the role of world policeman. That may not be fair or wise, but it is so.
What radio gig? I haven’t been on radio since last year. Next week, I’ll probably be phoning in the result of former AK state Representative Vic Kohring’s sentencing.
Except troops pay. Meanwhile, Bush is screwing the troops out of Medical Care, VA, and retirement benefits. Bushco says that PTSD is a bogus disorder. They are cutting (pulling their checks!) disability benefits to such individuals whom are currently retired. They are bullying active duty troops into not speaking out about their PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder).
Off to vote. I did vote by mail once when I was not going to be in town, but much prefer the ritual of actually going there & pulling the levers. Yes, NYC still has the old lever machines.
wow, i never would have thought that the US spends more on it’s military than Luxembourg.
IIRC, at least in some states, you can vote in the primary if you will be 18 before the general. Too late, now, though, I guess.
that must have been what I was thinking of.
go eCAHN!
Weak against him, ok. but if the parents were enablers? Any help for Bambi the girl. Alaska not exactly the friendly forest environs Disney’s bambi grew up in.
I was being a sarcastic smartass (always been a problem for me).
Just a case of nuance lost through the Toobz…
Okay! I’ve had to ’splain myself more than once!
While that sounds nice, World’s Policeman is a dubious moniker when the policeman uses his power to rape and pillage the resources of weaker nations. Any resource we desire that another country has we shall have – by any means necessary. Full Spectrum Dominance, Manifest Destiny – Republican Ideals.
for the rest
MSNBC’s Monica Novotny just said NY is Hillary’s “home state.” As a NY native, anytime I hear that I’m amused, ‘coz there’s no way it’s her home state. I’m definitely reminded of how opportunistic and calculating Hill is. She’s using NY as a stepping stone, and everyone knows that..
As a former New Yorker that annoys me…
There is an old saying. “Home is where the money is”… or something like that.
Bambi’s an adult now, and looks the part of a crack-addled 20-something who burnt her candle at both ends through adolescence when she should have been growing brain cells instead of frying them. TPM Muckraker writer Paul Kiel is stretching things a bit by tagging this story as a Ted Stevens-related item.
The kids are really on what my 20 year old son calls the Obamatrain. He been encouraging me to buy a ticket for that ride.
I’m up early, and listening to Sarah Vaughn, so I can stand in the cold to cast my vote.
The irony of all this is that if she had decided to run as a Senator from her real home state, IL, she won’t have Obama to contend with now. Irony. Or karma…
What do we have to police?
It’s more like intimidation. I don’t see use intervening in local fights which have no resources in the area.
That doesn’t really matter to me. Having deficits at all, and then just not caring about them and letting them exist indefinitely, since the sh*t doesn’t seem to hitting the fan anytime soon, is not sustainable to me. This ho-hum attitude about deficits and all the issues that come with it (especially the foreign ownership of the debt) really, really bothers this irresponsible, “tax and spending” raging Liberal. (damn, being sarcastic again….gotta stop that).
I understand that Medical-Industrial Complex is as big or bigger than the Military Complex. Regardless of what any previous generations were comfortable with, I don’t think we should be allowing these huge industries to funnel our tax dollars to themselves nearly as much as they’re allowed to do. I’d rather see tax money used to directly invest in any organization’s most valuable asset – it’s people.
Who cares? All this state chauvinism is the wrong frame. We are divided and we should be separate nations or one.
My 17-year-old son has been especially after me to caucus for Obama, since he can’t vote yet.
Right you are, but think of the good it does in the lower 48. I mean the muck put stevens on our radar, introduced me to you, and gave me my first ROTFL laughing.
In fact, may have been my last.
American politics… popularity contest. no substance. game show… really a joke to see how low it’s gone.
So, pop, whatcha gonna do?
It’ll be a nice bday present for him to vote in the general tho.
give the black man a chance. Hillary had 35 years to do her thing.
Let her use her experience to agitate for women.
At a board meeting I was at yesterday, another board member asked me, “Can I take my 12-yo son to the caucus?” I told him that at our caucus organizing meeting earlier in the evening, there had been a 17-yo and 16-yo, helping to organize, and that it would be very good for kids to be at the caucus itself.
Ike’s farewell speech draft said: “the military-congressional-industrial complex” … but that key word was taken out …