Two recent New York Times articles, two weeks apart, provide important insights into how Senators Clinton and Obama describe the nation’s economic priorities and the role of government in the economy.
In this January 21 Times article, Senator Clinton makes clear she is focused on the need to reverse the excesses of the Bush economic and tax policies:
. . . Mrs. Clinton put her emphasis on issues like inequality and the role of institutions like government, rather than market forces, in addressing them.
She said that economic excesses — including executive-pay packages she characterized as often “offensive” and “wrong” and a tax code that had become “so far out of whack” in favoring the wealthy — were holding down middle-class living standards. . . .
“If you go back and look at our history, we were most successful when we had that balance between an effective, vigorous government and a dynamic, appropriately regulated market,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And we have systematically diminished the role and the responsibility of our government, and we have watched our market become imbalanced.” . . .
She added: “I want to get back to the appropriate balance of power between government and the market.”
. . . She would roll back the Bush tax cuts for households with incomes over $250,000 while creating more tax breaks below that threshold; impose closer scrutiny on financial markets, including the investments being made by foreign governments in the United States; and raise spending on job-creating projects like the development of alternative energy. . . .
Her first priority, she said, would be changing the tax code. She has proposed tax credits for college tuition, retirement savings, health care and alternative energy use, most of which would go to lower- and middle-income families. She would also raise the top marginal rate to 39.6 percent, its level for much of her husband’s administration. Increasing high-end tax rates would bring in $52 billion a year, her campaign says, and help pay for some of her other proposals.
“It’s shocking that there is such a continuing political pressure to lower tax rates on the wealthy, when so much of what we look back on now with nostalgia and pride,” she said, referring to the decades immediately after World War II, “was at a time when those who were well off were paying a significantly higher percentage of their income.”
The equivalent article on Senator Obama appeared on February 2. Note the similarities:
If elected, Mr. Obama said he would to try to forge a popular mandate for policy changes that could reverse a generation of slow wage growth and outlast any one administration. At the top of his list would be shifting the tax burden more toward the wealthy and making investments — in health care, alternative-energy research and education — that would cost a significant amount of money but could ultimately lift economic growth. . . .
“We have to disaggregate tax policy between the wealthy and the working class or middle class,” he said. “We have to be able to say that we are going to at once raise taxes on some people and lower taxes on others.”
He added: “This has been one of the greatest rhetorical sleights of hand of the Republican Party, and it has been a great weakness of the Democratic Party.”
[snip]
He has called for shoring up Social Security by raising payroll taxes on very high earners, while she has not. He also favors a permanent tax credit of up to $1,000 for families in the bottom 90 percent or so of the income distribution, which makes his package of middle-class tax credits significantly larger than hers. . . .
Either way, the Obama program clearly emphasizes help for the middle class — through tax cuts and new programs — more than deficit reduction. His approach puts him somewhat to the left of the [Bill] Clinton administration but broadly in line with the Democratic Party now.
Indeed, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton hold similar or identical positions on a host of economic issues, and Democratic economists not aligned with either campaign often speak positively about both.
The second article argues there are differences in how each would govern, and thus approach economic solutions, but it’s also possible these are more about how each can get elected, given who they are, not how they’d actually govern. And after yesterday’s expose, it’s hard to argue that either would be more or less susceptible to opposition or influence from powerful economic interests.
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Obama continues to promote the idea of negotiating with the corporate owners of DC politics but they are disinclined to negotiate and have no need to. Obama has nothing to offer, nothing to negotiate with. He, like that clinton woman, are in the pocket of big business and would not do a darn thing to upset the fruitful apple cart.
Caw, caw! Good morning Scarecrow.
Good morning. Actually, talk of a government role to act in behalf of the common good and reversal of Reagonmics on steroids is music to my ears. Although, it may be to late.
It’s also true that they can have all the policy positions they want but nothing happens in a vacuum.
Good morning, everyone. Everyone recovered from the the Super Bowl?
EPU’d:
Morning Scarecrow, morning firedogs -
As an Edwards supporter who is leaning seriously toward Obama let me say this; if Clinton wins big on Tuesday, and she very well may, I sincerely hope that the almost overwhelming sense of karma and destiny that I see in the Obama campaign does not die out and go away. We have two truly fantastic candidates. I would be very happy to see either one of them in the White House. I think that either of them is capable of becoming a great president.
Last night I had a conversation with my 27 year old daughter, who has had nothing but distain for the weak-kneed, corporatist Democratic Party and has proudly defended her Nader vote in 2000. She told me that she plans to vote for Hillary Clinton. I was gobsmacked. She went on to say that she was voting for Clinton because she was a woman. She said that she liked Obama but that he was young and inexperienced and that he would have another chance, and that Hillary is in her prime and that this is the time for a woman. She said that Hillary really has a chance and that if women miss this opportunity there may not be another chance for a long time. It was a very convincing and argument.
Now I really don’t know what to do. Maybe I’ll vote for Obama and the Bride will vote for Hillary, maybe I’ll just wait until I’m faced with the levers and make a zen-like decision.
Good morning from L.A. Excellent compare/contrast post, Scarecrow. The “yesterday’s expose” link is particularly telling.
Krugman’s Mon. column is more compare/contrast, this time on healthcare:
Clinton, Obama, Insurance
No Super Bowl to recover from here. We went to see a movie, & Persepolis was great.
DOH! Now you’ve done it.
Interesting to note not one word about issues.
For me it was great, I had no dog in the fight and I love a game like that with all the significance.
Er, yeah, recovered from all the red wine and the commercials…
I had no dog in that fight either…
Latest CNN/Opinion Reseach poll has Obama pulling ahead of Clinton nationally, though within the margin of error.
Oh she is very well aware of all of the issues, but this is really what is propelling her vote. It is very emotion-based.
No. My team was not victorious so today I will take out my frustrations with some bread making
It’s about time he received some scrutiny on his record. This is a feel good candidacy, and while I want to feel inspired, I also want facts.
Brokenhearted Edwards supporter here, going to vote for Obama because it is our moral obligation to end the war and the suffering we have caused for so many people in Iraq.
Sorry to EPU but…. This is just why people should vote Edwards in those states where they can as he can hold a fair amount of power with his delegates. It is essential to have Edwards holding the “endorsement” strings as that will be the only way to persuade the remaining candidates to be more realistic in their positions on healthcare, gun control, war by choice and support of workers.
Ah, but what is an issue? George Lakoff suggests our notion of “issues” may be missing something important.
Good morning Scarecrow. Looks like you weren’t able to get more shuteye.
Actullly both Obama and Clinton statements are music to may ears. At least the statements are counter to the propaganda that the right has been spewing since Reagan. The ultra laissez-faire ideology is almost a matter of accepted common sense among people under 50. It’s a big step in the right direction to even suggest that there is a role for government regulation and that some fair distribution of wealth might be a good thing. It’s heresy for many and takes some courage for politicians to propound.
Superbowl turned out to be really good game. When I have no favorite, I always favor the underdog.
‘morning all – coffee is ready…
Mondays always come too soon.
As many have pointed out, there’s little daylight between Hill and Obama…for better or worse.
Too bad the game itself has been uninspiring. Just the commercials. But you can always put the money (so to speak) on those…
Biodun! It was an great game. The Giants defense was incredible. It’s, my friend for Hungary was talking about how boring it was because of the low score! A soccer fan taking that stance is unreal.
Needless to say I take issue with his argument. Seriously though there are tremendous differences in the policy positions (weak though they are) taken by that clinton woman and obama. On health care, as parsed by Krugman this AM for instance.
Scarecrow -
That Lakoff article is brilliant. Thank you.
In another day, the election will decide the strongest candidate for November and beyond. I agree with Diane that Obama hasn’t been nationally exposed to equal scrutiny, and frankly, has been given an “EZ Pass” to this point by the MSM and the right wing cheerleaders. What does that tell you? They are scared to death of the REAL change agent, Hillary Clinton”. I’m with the endorser who said,”I’m not voting for Hillary because she’s a woman, I’m voting for her, because I am”. Plus she’s right on every issue, and the fact that she’ll represent progressive issues better than that faux Democrat Obama.
For bad and worse
I am and I am not.
It was a great game in the 4th Q but not before…
thanks for the heads up on Krugman’s column. Until recently, I had been convinced that the economists on Obama’s team would figure out the logic Krugman has been explaining — over several columns — and gradually move Obama away from his position against “mandates.” But the recent mailer criticizing mandates is a set back, and he’ll likely regret it.
It’s not that I want “mandates,” per se; it’s just that I don’t thing you sort out universal care without thinking through the relationship between mandates, universal care and penalties. Obama had already acknowledged that he might need penalties, and that was a necessary step, but he didn’t follow through.
nomolos, that’s your perogative. Hope you can live with it. No regrets, right? Me too.
And many Americans think soccer is boring…
Susie speaks for me.
lots more
Neither of our candidates want to talk about the problem in the economy, the one Ian raised in his Saturday post. This country was a financial power because it produced so much output, everything we needed, and enough to sell around the world. That began to change in the early 70s, and really accelerated under Clinton. The only bright spot in our economy has been the financial sector, and all of the gains in the economy have flowed to that sector.
There is nothing to stop the accumulation of cash in the financial sector. Unions have been defeated by the aggressive tactics of huge money and the failure of government to stand up to the bullying. This administration has steadfastly refused to invest in infrastructure or research, most obviously alternative energy and stem cells, the growth products of the future. Of course, tax cuts and wars have removed even the possibility of spending money to make the real economy grow, even as the parasitic economy of derivatives and killing Iraqis has skyrocketed.
Neither candidate wants to talk about these issues.
Good Morning, all!
Just some ‘lame’ thoughts as we ‘Gallup’ along….
With Clinton, we get to shoot ourselves in one foot, the war.
With Obama, we get to shoot ouselves in the other, possible ‘Universal’
Health ‘Care’ (call it Universal INSURANCE Goverage).
AS you may readily see, whomever we choose, we are going to ‘hurt’.
And that does not even deal with the economy. And, not withstanding the articles which Scarecrow is quoting, Clinton and Obama may well not have the vision or courage to make the big and bold changes necessary.
From ‘little boots’ to ‘tiny steps’ with at least one sore foot.
And that is IF we ‘win’.
Let us all be certain to have our crutches handy, in future.
In lieu of voting for Edwards, I have decided on Hillary. Perhaps because I’m the dirty hippie generation, my idealism died long ago & I want someone who will fight for my democratic principles. I’m fully conscious of Hillary’s faults & don’t really trust her on Iraq, but I believe she is pragmatic & knows how to win a fight.
This is what I fear most about a Clinton candidacy, the Clinton hatred factor.
I think we all agree that in order for the D’s to win the presidency in November we will need to win nationally by a large margin. We know from experience that in close elections, the R’s are masters of deceit and burglary. So let’s say that we have to give ourselves at least a 10 point edge to insure victory over election fraud. So do we really want to saddle ourselves with a candidate who inspires such hatred from our own side of the political spectrum? We need every percentage point we can get to win this election, particularly if we are going to be running against McCain, the R’s strongest candidate.
Walter Shapiro today on Hillary:
What, exactly are you advocating? Stay at home? Third party? Revolution?
Untrue, my friend, untrue.
But, thank heaven, daylight between either of them and the Repubs.
Shapiro on Obama:
(Same link as 40.)
Personal perspective I guess. I loved it but then it is by far my favorite sport and, besides the Lake, sports is what I do!
I’m not worried about the the next Dem prez listening to “intelligence committee coming up with the next slam dunk.” I think that was Cheney’s minions, and neither of our candidates is likely to listen to that crowd.
Ideally revolution as that is what I believe it will take to get the corporate empire back to the people. But if that clinton woman is the candidate I will not vote.
Whatever comes of it I will vote. And again I will hold my nose.
It’s the Supreme Court. period.
C’mon, nomolos, why don’t you tell us how you really feel. ;)
Okay, whatever. Maybe we’ll live with that McCain man.
nomolos, “that Clinton woman”, will take Obama to school, and you might even want to audit the class.
Shark-fu, the Angry Black B*tch, was in a more reflective mood yesterday, with some great words for us all. Click through for the whole thing, but here’s a snip from the top and bottom.
[emphasis added]
At the other end of Missouri, when I cast my vote, I’ll also be thinking of the history yet to come.
My polling place on Tuesday is in the hallway of my six-year old’s elementary school, where every kid getting off the bus has to walk past the precinct workers with signs outside, the election judges at their tables inside, the voting machines along the walls, and the grownups waiting in line to vote.
Some of his kindergarten classmates may ask “what’s that all about?” I am proud to say that he’ll be able to tell them — in excruciating (and progressive!) detail.
OT
It looks like the next issue of Mad mag might be worth looking at.
RevDeb calls it!!!
Not the war.
Not Health Care (Single Payer prayer).
Not the economy.
Not much, but our future….
Actually, I won’t audit the class, I will LEAVE the school.
NO SALE
And, of course to rabid fans in rest of the world, soccer IS football. Talk football to my bf & you are talking about his favorite powerhouse, Manchester United…
My daughter & her fiance hosted a Super Bowl party yesterday- by all accounts it was a terrific game.
From sangemon, last thread:
[my bold]
That’s about where I am. And I don’t do zen.
That’s what a lot of GOP senators are saying . . . From the WaPo:
Mitch McConnell figures prominently in the article. I’d love to see Mitch eat some McCain crow (so to speak!) for the next 9 months, then watch a Democrat win the election and have Mitch realize that all that sucking up to McCain was for nothing.
I think Clinton can take a lot of others to school, and that’s impressive; so far, she hasn’t done that to Obama, and that’s impressive, too. These are two extremely bright, capable — and quite liberal — people.
It was nice of Scarecrow to include this in the thread and for folks to respond but if we don’t get back to saving the world someone is going to jump ugly!
Ah, grasshopper, everyone does zen, now and zen!
coin toss? eenie-meenie-minie-moe?
I’ts all the same to me at this point.
But we don’t get to vote in PA until April.
And Salon’s Rebecca Traister speaks for me (probably for some of us):
Thanks Scarecrow, this is constructive. I’m really tired of people pissing and moaning. We have two decent candidates. Are they my dream candidate? No, they’re not but neither was John Edwards who would have been my first choice.
I agree that on issues and policy there is little difference between Clinton and Obama, but have decided to support Obama for a number of reasons. Foremost – he is bringing young and disaffected voters into the process. This is huge. He’s also not taking lobbyist or pac money to fund his campaign, and has pledged that he won’t have corporate lobbyists in the WH. He has addressed the humanitarian crisis in Iraq, which is an enormous issue and one that gets no air time. He spoke out against the Iraq war when he was in the Illinois senate. The guy obviously had higher political aspirations, and that very public position could have finished it. Whether it was a courageous stand or a political gamble is anyone’s guess.
My other concern is electability in the general. I see many more crossover voters (which in all honesty is a concern – Obama is a liberal dude, so what do republicans see in him? I was at a caucus training on Sat, and there was a 70ish lifetime active republican, who said that he was appalled and embarrassed by his parties actions over the past eight years – and was moved by Obama’s message of unity. I have heard similar stories).
And to be perfectly honest, I just do not want to deal with the media feeding frenzy that would be Bill Clinton back in the WH. He is too much of a distraction.
I wood like to watch that too. To tell the truth, I think McCain would be a distinct improvement over the spoiled moron who was given the nation as a toy. But, either of the two Democrats would at least start us on the road to recovery, if it’s not too late.
Jeez. I meant I “would…” Duh.
OH yes, I can hardly wait!
Long after the stampede’s dust has settled, we ‘Vanians’ will set everybody straight!
And this bit captures it for me:
(Same link as 63.)
from Think Progress:
Sounds more like Chance the Gardner in Being There.
That’s a fine and reason statement of your position.
I’m really tired of people pissing and moaning. We have two decent candidates.
You are in the wrong place! :)
And also this:
(Same link as 63.)
It’s quite possible the nomination will still be undecided in April, so your vote may decide it. You really should cheer up; the fate of the world is in your hands, Deb. Now I’m depressed. :)
Ding.
Actually, Rebecca Traister’s Salon piece is worth a peek. She makes an interesting case for why Hillary would be more difficult to elect in general than Obama…
Ding! Ding!
you should be. The way I’m feeling now I just might sit it out.
No — he/she’s in the right place. What we’re seeing is folks separating based on personality types — our own — and not on the candidates. Almost a a glass half full/empty kind of thing. I moved from half empty to half full a few days ago, watching the last debate, which I thought was fun.
Could ‘this’ be ‘dong’!?
Nooooooo! We need your voice.
Sat. morning a nice guy named Jason Pardo called our house to talk up Obama. Not real good on the specifics- the spiel was mainly change, change, change. You want it, Obama’s got it. I asked him about the bi-partisan approach Obama seems to be favoring. Mr. Pardo was quite enthusiastic about Obama leading a new era of bi-partisanship in the next Admin.
Naive is the word that came to mind. I can’t get behind this- it’s time to fight corruption & call to account all that has happened in the past 8 yrs. in the next Administration. Period.
I should have left the second part of his or her quote, I just meant the wrong place if we don’t like pissing and moaning.
Agree with you totally about naive. AND I don’t see Hill fighting the good fight. She’s a corpo girl through and through. That’s why I’m so depressed.
Here’s another perspective. If it were month before the General and there were one more debate, and McCain is sitting at the debate table, who would you rather have sitting across from him?
With 24 hours to go before I vote, I have to say I’d prefer the madame over the gentleman.
She’s a much better debater.
Exactly. I remember in 2004 hearing a woman I worked with say, “Every time I see John Kerry, I just think of EVIL.”
I thought, how in the hell does she come up with that? I realized that it said more about her than about John Kerry. A lot of us color in the figure with all sorts of ideas we’ve taken in or imagined, whether or not they have anything to do with reality.
Before or after the next terraist attack?
Anyone have any doubts that either Clinton or Obama would make decent judicial/Supreme Court nominations? Pretty important stuff, given where the S.Ct. is.
Mandated health care is a form of subservient corporate servitude……..
Governments and corporations merge as one to dictate law to the govenred!!!
Wake the fuck up… those who buy into this “MALARKEY” of mandated health care are brainless!!!!!!!!!!!!
The next step will be the invasion of all choices in behavior for reasons of cost!
And Kerry beat the crap out of W in the debates. How did that work out . . . . . ?
Edwards still on the ballot here, so I think you know what I’ll be doing tomorrow…
Oh, fine. I see your point. There’s just So many what-ifs.
The people who support McCain don’t seem to understand that without the war, we’d have the money to fund the domestic issues which haunt us.
By God, I think you’ve won me over. I sure wouldn’t want you to think I was brainless.
That’s the way I saw it, but not what seemed to be reported, if I recall correctly.
I think that’s worthy of a discussion. What kind of SC appointments would either of the 2 make? The kumbaya let’s all get along and move forward together candidate or the I know how to handle those thugs kind of candidate?
Seriously, I do think we ought to see if there’s anything anywhere that we can pull together to talk about this with the focus we are good at.
Sendin’ ‘em a ‘message’ are ye?
Well, good on ya!!!
Rephrase the concept, then: taxes are mandatory. Access can be universal, and the way it’s paid for can be mandatory. I find nothing brainless about that. It seems to work with schools, fire, police, sanitation, defense, etc. And I am awake.
I’m pretty sure I’m sticking to my guns too.
Edwards.
Oh, hand-wringing here in LA today.
LOL!
I’m somewhat a little more optimistic than my FDL friends about the choices…Hillary or Obama would be a vast improvement over the Repugs in the WH right now, and over any of the Repug prez candidates…
do you think?
demi:
You’re at the Lake weekday…what gives?
Epu’d from downstairs
My 2 cents…
‘The thing about Hillary is we have a pretty good idea of what/where/who her skeletons are, we should/will continue to pay attention.
BUT, we need someone with the strength of will of Hillary combined with her political/ foreign/life/motherhood/being/staying married to Bill experience.
Hillary has the brains and strength of experience to able to get things done..It is up to us to stay on top of things.
Barak needs more time in political/world affairs and would be a much better choice in 8 years.
My 2 cents….’
MSNBC is all about tsumani Tuesday all the time today… And they have the polls all over the place…
Waiting for the dryer….leaving soon. This debate will have to spin without me for now. :)
McCain’s passive voice when it comes to the GOP spending hole that erupted in the last 7 years disgusts me.
Ooops. McCain just said pork barrel spending is evil!
The man who wants to bomb Iran is carping about spending being evil.
Capt. Coo Coo Bananas has some serious competetion.
-G
P.S. McCain has the wonderfully bi-partisan Phil Gramm on he dais with him.
Barack Obama, but Ehud Barak…
so if we follow that theory, what will be reported here? Press—hard on for McCain. Fluffing BO and killing Hill.
Just saying.
But why not have the courage to go the next step?
If we are ‘locked’ into universal ‘INSURANCE’ won’t that be considered ‘good enough’ by those who ‘represent’ us?
And, thereby, become ‘all that’s possible’?
Just a pissin’ and moanin’ kinda question.
See, muh problem is, experience has taught me, it’s kinda hard to ‘trust’ them ‘thems’.
Tax exempt corporation lobby policy makers to make law to now force you to purchase health insurance from tax exempt corporations. This is not like paying taxes for fire and police!!!!
Tom Daschle on now…looks really old…
PS, I think I’d better take my chamomille tea with me to work. Just too worked up this morning. And, I haven’t even hit the freeway lookin’ like a parking lot yet.
I was told I did. But then, I only read Ulysses. I didn’t write it.
quick anecdotal – my VERY Republican step-mother would enthusiastically support Clinton in the general… seriously, it dropped my jaw… so, I’m not too worried that Clinton can’t attract indies and Rs, suprisingly…
In a word, no.
Biodin, my concern is aboot how mooch more differkult it mayy be ta ‘lect’ da Hill.
Oh. Just. Damn.
Talk to Sal Dimasi in Mass and see how he sold out to corporate insurers, one cause of the problem…………….
I’d like to encourage any folks in the City of Lost Angels & CA voters in general, if you haven’t already been there, visit calitics.com for the progressive lowdown on the state, county, & city measures that are on the ballot tomorrow.
Biodun! Not Biodin!! Fingers, what’s yore problum dis mornin’???
not trying to burst your balloon, but just following the road you pointed to.
It’s a fair question. I think the hidden (in plain sight) aspect of both health care approaches is the government sponsored default, which folks can buy into if they can’t afford to pay for private insurance under the “mandate.” The key is the incentives, which I think tend to encourage more people to move to the default — which tends to look like single payer — because it’s unlikely we’ll be able to wring the excess costs out of the private system. So over time, both plans tend to move towards something like single payer. How long? Dunno.
We’re already seeing this in Massachusetts, where people can move to the government sponsored programs if they can’t afford the private plans, and employers can choose not to provide insurance, if they pay a modest penalty, sending their employees to the government plan. You could see this coming: there’s already a huge increase in the cost of the government plan — $400 millions — and it’s stressing the state budget. The next thing they need to realize is that there is a pot of money out there — the excess costs of the private insurance system — and to afford the whole scheme, we have to tap into that. How? Reduce reliance on private, remove subsidies for private, tax to support the government default. The logic is there, but it’s not clear whether we’ll see it.
Barbara Comstock just talked about ‘embryonic killing stem cell research’.
That women gives me the heebie-jeebies.
-G
Just maybe, if the use of tax a code was held like a gun against against the heads of tax exempt and for profit insurers and providers (corporations) their might be a means to control inflation and cost in the in Health services, instead of holding the gun against the head of the the taxpayer, insured, who has been subsidizing this corrupt system from decades!!!!!!
Go ahead support mandated bullshit that lines the pockets of corporations who already bleed us to death in some instances!!!
Rev Deb;
You certainly are ‘truth-ing’ us today.
Please continue.
Most necessary. (Your influence is greater than you know)
Raven, though I may be tired of it, I guess I can’t help myself. :-)
Opps, big sorry on mis-spelling Barack’s name :(
Raven, this one rates a Bingo!
But, forgive my doubts and qualms.
What is obvious to us does not always appear to be so to our ‘representatives’.
I’ve noticed that concerning several ‘little’ things, lately.
thanks but it is all very painful for me. I was so hoping to have someone to vote FOR. And yet again I am disappointed. Lucy, Charlie Brown, football.
DWBartoo, where are you in PA?
I do know exactly, and precisely, just what you mean…
Someday. Perhaps.
When this is a better world.
Oops, can’t get there without ‘better’ choices.
Someday. Perhaps…
Pittsburgh, though, recently from your neck of the ‘woods’.
More hand wringing between Obama/Clinton supporters.
Any “dream teamers” out there?
pas de probleme, as we say in French…
MSNBC says there are many undecided voters who will make up their minds tomorrow…You can say that again…
I don’t think the you will see progressive positions in mainstream candidates. They run in the center.
But you can have some hope that they will respond to the public if it demands progressive policies and then lead the way.
The MSM won’t allow progressive ideas into a national campaign, nor even far right ones. It’s all pablum.
Let’s see what sort of congress we can put in place and how loud the people shout AFTER the election for more change. And of course who they put into key posts.
All mainstream candidates have been in bed with corporations and lobbyists. That’s how american politics works.
Oh, it’s okay. Balloons either burst or they slowly deflate.
I keep inflating mine.
I try to stay resilient.
Now, friends I’m off to battle the titans.
cheerio.
Yes. You are right. The SC is the bottom line and we don’t need a conciliator.
But but, I want mah finger to move ‘left’ just like the country.
new thread upstairs
Either Obama’s or Clinton’s economic policies are 1000% better than the Bush budget proposal. Chimpy can’t be serious with this, can he? $9 trillion for the millionaires and billionaires. How I despise that A$$HOLE!
Late reply, but what the heck . . .
Is that a Michael Jordan/Larry Bird ticket, or Larry Bird/Michael Jordan one?
*g*
Blergh, I jut heard on AAR that Obama has a bunch of U of Chicago economists as his advisors.
Now I feel sick.
Respectfully, the part about voting for Clinton because she’s a woman is a weak argument. I suspect there are voters who will vote for her for this reason.
Ex-fed chairman Volcker just endorsed Obama.
Driveby. *wave* I wonder what Ted Kennedy thinks of Obama’s Harry and Louise mailers. Paul Krugman’s not too happy.
Revelatory article in Le Monde Diplomatique:
THE ECONOMIC DISASTER THAT IS MILITARY KEYNESIANISM
Why the US has really gone broke
by Chalmers Johnson
Global confidence in the US economy has reached zero, as was proved by last month’s stock market meltdown. But there is an enormous anomaly in the US economy above and beyond the subprime mortgage crisis, the housing bubble and the prospect of recession: 60 years of misallocation of resources, and borrowings, to the establishment and maintenance of amilitary-industrial complex as the basis of the nation’s economic life
Original text in English
http://MondeDiplo.com/2008/02/05military
The Lakoff article reveals why there won’t be a “dream team” ticket. They don’t even speak the same language.