Bill Kristol makes a strong play for the 2008 WATB Award in today’s New York Times:
It’s not easy being a conservative movement in a modern liberal democracy. It’s not easy to rally a comfortable and commercial people to assume the responsibilities of a great power. It’s not easy to defend excellence in an egalitarian age. It’s not easy to encourage self-reliance in the era of the welfare state. It’s not easy to make the case for the traditional virtues in the face of the seductions of liberation, or to speak of duties in a world of rights and of honor in a nation pursuing pleasure.
Well, this calls for a fisking.
I really love the first sentence, not only for its questionable grammar, but the refreshingly honest way Kristol admits conservatism is something that needs to be forced down the throats of the unwilling masses. So much for the "most decent working Americans are naturally conservative" theory!
The second claim is historically absurd. It’s actually quite easy to get Americans to go to war, as anyone with an elementary school history textbook can see. Also, didn’t George W. Bush tell those commercial and comfortable people to go shopping after 9/11? And invading Iraq was "responsible"? Only if you’re a crazy person.
That "defending excellence" part is truly hilarious, probably the highlight of the whole piece. Wolfie, Brownie, Bremer. Rummy, Gonzo, Feith. Iraq, Afghanistan, New Orleans. Record surpluses into record deficits, record gas prices. Just what excellence is Kristol referring to?
"Self-reliance"? Sorry, Bill. Just like your beloved W., you owe your entire career to your daddy’s last name. When nepotism and wingnut welfare cease to be the twin pillars of the conservative movement, you can preach self-reliance. Until then, not so much.
As for the "traditional virtues" part, I assume Kristol is referring to teh gay. I’m a liberal, and therefore devoid of virtues, but I’m fairly certain lying, corruption, breaking the law, greed and torture aren’t considered virtuous in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Bill’s right about one thing, though. It is hard being a wingnut these days, because America really hates them. It took a while, but those responsible, self-reliant, excellent traditional virtue defenders in the Bush Administration showed them the way.
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ah…
Sounds like a suicide note…
Wow. That’s Britney-style psychosis right there.
For Kristol:
It’s
noteasy being aconservativebowel movementBill is a twit. (that is my most serious thought so far today!)
This one calls for a major SPEW alert.
For some reason I get the feeling that Kristol would prefer to live in Plato’s imaginary Republic…but when he speaks of responsibility and duty – just what the F*ck has HE ever done to deserve to speak to people about that?
Has he served in the military?
Has he taught in an inner-city school?
Has he worked in a fire-crew putting out wild-fires?
Or joined in clean-up crews after Katrina?
Did he ever build a house for low-iuncome families?
Or assisted with a fund-raiser for victims of the Boxing Day tsunami?
No! This guy interprets “duty” in an Ayn Randian “telling people about our pathetic philosophy is service enough” sort of way.
Nothing like exposure and common sense will eventually bear a substantial audience…
Perfecto!
Pffffaw. Only someone living in a modern liberal democracy would ask those questions.
Humble apologies for early OT
Looks like Marcy will be liveblogging the FISA debates beginning at 2ET on her site.
Now back to your regularly scheduled hilarious post by BT
Can you believe it?
When Kristol talks about “duty” I think of that Sci-Fi TV Program where the aliens keep insisting to the little boy that they came to earth to learn “How To Serve Man”. Eventually they let little Jimmy, who volunteered to meet their leader back on their planet, to peek at the book with that title. Fortunately the anaesthetic gas put him to sleep just as he realized it was a Cook Book.
digg this, really, please. I despise the Bloody Kristol
Lovely piece, BT.
I had to go look for a definition of Fisking, go Fisk.
I’m always amazed by Kristoll’s insane grin when he lies on television.
Elitism. Billy and his ilk do not believe in democracy. In fact they hate democratic societies. Like Ayn Rand, they believe that only an elite few should rule. They are above the law. Laws are for peons. “The People” is a Karl Marks communistic, socialistic concept. Kristol fails to note Karl also believed in elite rule and the people follow the will of the elite.
Such thought got stuck in the Dark Ages. They fear doing work (work is for peons only); they fear the people uprising; they need to enrich their coffers by taxing the people but not themsleves; they make the people pay for their failing businesses through tax returns and corporate give-aways. They never go into battle. Peons die. Their lives matter less.
Overthrow Kristo and his entire ilk.
scares me
The Man Who Is Always Wrong is a sexist pig?!? Of course he is.
I’m voting for Obama.
“It’s not easy (for me) to make the case for the traditional virtues in the face of the seductions of liberation, or (for me)to speak of duties in a world of rights and of honor in a nation pursuing pleasure.”
He can’t because…oh, so….he can’t because he’s been seduced by liberation and is pursuing pleasure.
Ah, but the year is young, BT, and I get the feeling that we haven’t even begun to hear the whining this year from the right wingers.
Limbaugh’s just been warming up, what with his bleating about John McCain as threat to conservatism, and Coulter went one step further pitching the notion that she’d rather vote for Hillary as more the more conservative option when paired with McCain.
Then there’s the TheoCons. If Huckabee goes down on Tuesday, they will be chiming in as well. Dobson has all but gone off to sulk in a corner, but others will toss their whining out into the public sphere . . .
And you don’t honestly believe that the Five Brothers won’t cry and wail if the GOP doesn’t embrace their Daddy and decides to follow McCain.
Kristol may be making an early play for the 2008 award, but by Dec. 31 he’ll have plenty of competition.
when i hear the word Kristol i reach for my revolver ……
Indeed.
McCain made a deal with the devil, Cheney and the NeoCons. He lets them pick veep running mate. Veep plays the same power broker role as Cheney, who will be advisor. NeoCons get back into all the policy making positions they had and continue with business as usual. NeoCons continue to run the economy with their economic self-serving ideology.
it ain’t easy fooling some of the people all of the time
or, as george bush would say
it’shard work …
Please don’t.
OT
Democratic response to President’s budget up on CSPAN 1
CSPAN2 – Senate just now in session, Webb in charge – FISA up soon
I still think St. McCain needs a fundie like Huck in the veep slot.
I like this one:
“It’s not easy to defend excellence in an egalitarian age.”
Which I read as “It’s very hard to be part of the aristocracy and manage the peons without tipping my condescending hand.”
Yes, it must be hard to be one of those chosen few, those “excellencies” whose role it is to chivvy the rest of the bleating population into compliance… my my my…
Even the most failed of the wingnuts gets taken care of… “heckuva job” Brownie still makes money as a “consultant”. When they get kicked out in 9 months, they’ll still live comfortably, employing each other, going on TeeVee together and keeping the faith with each other.
Well, unless there are investigations and jail cells in the future for some of them. Which would be nice.
OT, I don’t think so . . .
CLARKSBURG, West Virginia (CNN) — The FBI is gearing up to create a massive computer database of people’s physical characteristics, all part of an effort the bureau says to better identify criminals and terrorists.
But it’s an issue that raises major privacy concerns — what one civil liberties expert says should concern all Americans.
The bureau is expected to announce in coming days the awarding of a $1 billion, 10-year contract to help create the database that will compile an array of biometric information — from palm prints to eye scans.
Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI’s Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is “important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in.”
But it’s unnerving to privacy experts.
“It’s the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated,” said Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Technology and Liberty Project.
If only.
The Dancer Upstairs?
Then AZ would truly turn Blue….. the AZ Repugs really hate McCain here… he did some really underhanded stuff in 2006 where he put together a slate of candidates for the AZ GOP Party leadership over the wishes of the party members and surprise surprise…. McCain’s slate lost….. Then you add comprehensive immigration and his hugging the religious right and Bush which pretty much cooks him here. Most of our repugs are not fundies but libertarian types.
I glanced at some of the gutted parts of the preez budget. In summary, the people pay and the people get all services gutted. The People’s money serves the corporations.
Bush’s legacy of Red Ink. He has no shame.
Take savings out of Medicare and Medicade
Make tax cuts to the rich permanent
War costs pretend to be reduced to 70B while he requested 200B
First Responders grants cut 78%
Clean water grants cut 21%
Community Development cut 20%
These are just a few highlights. Milk the people (their suckers that prop up the ruling elite) and cut programs that benefit the people.
ooo thanks for the heads up!
Weight changes, growing or shaving a beard, plastic surgery or losing a limb all now become subversive acts…
It’s not easy to encourage self-reliance in the era of the welfare state.
What passes for self-reliance on the Upper West Side?
Just call Little Billy the early leader in the clubhouse.
So exactly how do we vote Billy and all the other yahoos off the island?
I did hear Kristol, during the buildup to the invasion, say that he thought some casualties would do the American public some good to toughen them up and get them use to accepting what needed to be done. He said it his usual smirk, but with some sign of hesitancy, like the cameramen might pick up rocks and render his just deserts. So, for him, I think that was probably his version of courage.
The FISA bill debate has started on CSPAN2
Let’s not forget that Kristol and his likeminded knaves consider Scooter Libby a ‘warrior’ who was left on the battle field.
They truly live in a fantasy land where they where armor and ride white horses and rescue damsels from dragons.
But when they have vast swathes of the media running cover for them it is easy to continue their charade.
Like on MTP when Cruella DeCarville(Matalin) says the election is about the ‘furture’ and not about the past(Bush specificially). Yet that was on the heels of 10 plus GOP debates dedicated to deifying the cadaver of Dutch Reagan who’s been out of for 20 years.
-G
weararmor.
-G
Looks like Kit Bond never stopped his Super Bowl party drinking last night.
Blue Texan is correct to say that the claim “It’s not easy to rally a comfortable and commercial people to assume the responsibilities of a great power” is “historically absurd.”
The founding fathers were a comfortable lot who risked everything to create the Republic. Likewise, the millions who took to the streets in the 60s to fight for civil rights and against military imperialism were products of a comfortable middle class (created by liberals). I would go so far as to say that ONLY a comfortable and commercial people will assume the responsibilities of great power.
William Kristol is a petty, ungracious man who speaks to and for others like him. Hypocrisy like his always diminishes its own numbers because people that are aware tend to choose for others only as they would choose for themselves. Progressives are frequently gracious, Democrats often gracious, Republicans seldom gracious, Conservatives rarely gracious, and, I observe, Neocons never gracious. It is not about good/bad or moral/immoral. It is always about gracious/ungracious choices. Gracious choices feel good and lead to progress. One knows this in one’s heart. Ungracious choices feel less than good and avoid progress. Gracious choices can simply be explained with ” It is what I would choose for myself”. Ungracious choices warrant justifications. Look at policies. Look at history. An ungracious man like Kristol could not see or appreciate the truth in this so tangled is he in self-aggrandizing justifications. Sadly, he still has too much company in this misery causing state.
Cry me a river, bill….. ♪♬♭♮
the following graph shows your support: 〽
Kit Bond… is spewing crap… no veto eat sh*t Kit Bond and bush needs to be Impeached!
Whitehouse up
Whitehouse offering amendment supported by Rockefeller, Leahy, Whitehouse, and Schumer. Minimization amendment.
I wonder if the Democrats should come up with a self reliance program which incorporates 100% inheritance tax, makes illigal any legacy admissions into public or private colleges, and makes nepotism illegal even in private businesses. Now that would mandate some real self reliance. /snark
page 1 at dailykos: wow
BAGHDAD (AFP) – Baghdad is drowning in sewage, thirsty for water and largely powerless, an Iraqi official said on Sunday in a grim assessment of services in the capital five years after the US-led invasion.
One of three sewage treatment plants is out of commission, one is working at stuttering capacity while a pipe blockage in the third means sewage is forming a foul lake so large it can be seen “as a big black spot on Google Earth,” said Tahseen Sheikhly, civilian spokesman for the Baghdad security plan.
Oh, horrors! The rise of the people!
Excellent way to describe it, amilus.
Hey Kristol, lead by example, enlist! Or, if you are too old, then sign up to be a contractor and drive a truck, or be a war correspondent!
Must be the most excellent buzz he has from the mind altering KoolAid he had with lunch.
cc, that’s an epidemic about to happen.
The Whitehouse minimization bill explicitly gives the FISA court authority to ensure complicity with approved minimization rules.
Schumer up for 10 minutes.
It sure is. Be nice to hear that on the news tonite.
Schumer: starts out with the VERY important (sarcasm) statement on the “important incident in AZ that occurred yesterday”. The friggin’ super bowl. He is using some of his precious time to blather about the goddamned SUPER BOWL!
Now that is brilliant! Call their bluff! They did it. Now let their kids and grandkids do the same!
OT, I don’t think so . . .
umm, how cold does it actually get in Canada, more or less?
Guns, Germs and Steel – Iraq society weakened and gone. See, we won!
Wingnut Bay Buchanan: Huckabee “putting his own personal ambition before the unborn”, in discussing why he should throw his support to Romney so that teh evil John McLame can be defeated.
Now that is brilliant! Call their bluff! They did it. Now let their kids and grandkids do the same!
I think the idea should be floated… just as a “test.”
Blue Texan:
Excellent deconstruction (or semiotic unpacking) of Bill Kristol’s juvenile reiterations (it’s not easy, it’s not easy, and so on) that would do proud any good student of Umberto Eco or Jacques Derrida…
WTF! He is literally going to spend 10 minutes to blah blah on the Giants?!
Depends on where you are in Canada. By the coasts pretty good climate. More inland can be very frigid in winter, hot and humid in summer.
That’s it…Schumer has offered a resolution to congratulate the Giants.
Whew! I was so worried about the Constitution…err…I mean the Super Bowl.
FINALLY Schumer gets to the REAL topic – FISA.
FDL toobz hiccup..
someone should do a mashup of the “hustle and flow” song for W… “hard out here for a chimp”
OT–
FWIW, Robert (Rob) de Nero to endorse Obama…
this is how the republican press climbs the ladder to top.
http://www.arcor.de/ecards/ima…..leiter.swf
Rut-Ro – Senator Bond (drunk as hell, MO) asking that time be set aside for Senators Hatch and Sessions.
And I was already feeling crappy – blergh…
Very apt, looks just like this administration and Kit him self
KIT spewing BS
it certainly does
New Thread with Christy.
Hi folks…
Cspan2
Feingold—Mon liege!!!!
Yes!!!!
It’s Gettin’ Hot in Here:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..lary_n.php
Obama takes lead nationally in latest CNN poll. First time he’s been in the lead from what I’ve seen. What was that Edwards was saying about “history’s path?”
“Oh, Bill Kristol. Are you ever right?”
http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi…..-drops-out
I’ve been trying to cruse over to talking points memo for some new updates but, Internet Explorer cannot open the site. The message box that slams onto my screen says “Operation aborted” and won’t allow the site to open. Has anybody else had this problem? I’ve never had this happen and it only is happening with the TPM site.
TPM works fine for me.
I’m still trying to get over there. I’ve tried through links and google. I guess I’ll just try tomorrow. Thanks for your support.
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An ungracious man like Kristol could not see or appreciate the truth in this so tangled is he in self-aggrandizing justifications. Sadly, he still has too much company in this misery causing state.
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With Straussian Neocon philosophy, we find that people like Kristol concern themselves with telling “noble lies” to the American people in order to serve their own elitist agenda. It’s a conscious, deliberate act on their part to discount the truth and reality. They don’t care that they engage in this sociopathic behavior and justify it to themselves as a viable philosophy.
Noble lies and perpetual war: Leo Strauss, the neo-cons, and Iraq
http://www.informationclearing…..le5010.htm
Leo Strauss and the Cult of the Noble Lie
http://www.getunderground.com/…..le_ID=2120
Blue Texan said:
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Just what excellence is Kristol referring to?
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Excellence as it pertains to the Neocon agenda. They equate their twisted, sick agenda with excellence.
- Tom
Why is it that conservative christians think they have the monopoly on “values”? If “values” means pre-emptive wars that kill millions of innocent folks, damning folks and giving them second class citizenship status because of whom they love, treating embryonic stem cells better than living, breathing children, and giving tax breaks to Paris Hilton while taxing benefits given to folks trying to rebuild their lives and homes after the catastrophies of Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, count me as proudly “values”less.
Er, Kristol is Jewish, but I hear ya.
A crucial thing to note is that so-called ‘values’ Christians are blatant hypocrites in that they claim to emulate the most gracious man who ever walked the face of this planet with ungracious choices. They seem to have grouped under false pretenses so as to share justifications for judging, condemning, and vilifying others. Who would choose to be judged, condemned, and vilified for one’s choices. Christ did not even speak out against those who judged, condemned, or hung him from on a cross. The answer to the question, “What would Jesus do?” is always the same: Jesus would do the gracious thing, choosing for others only as he would choose for himself. His life demonstrated this in every detail. Were it that his followers would gather to remember the obvious rather than refute it. What part of ‘Judge not and neither condemn’ is unclear?
Gee Mr. Kristol, it’s got to be hard to rally anyone to anything with a track record of failed predictions like yours. I’m just saying that he hasn’t gotten a darn thing right in years so why listen to him now?
Unless ……… you got a line on a bookie who will take political bets. Somebody call Bill Bennett and see if he knows anyone because I’m thinking that anything old Billy K says is a slam dunk to bet against.
Anyway I’m not sure if I’m still mad at the NYT for hiring him. I mean he is a right wing tool, but on the other hand they never had a funnies page until now. Seriously why would anyone take this clown for real?