I haven’t made up my mind between the remaining Democrats on the field, but this speech from Maria Shriver’s surprise appearance at UCLA today endorsing Barack Obama was too good to pass up tonight (h/t commenter noonan).
There’s something very inspiring and empowering when California’s First Lady gets up on stage and talks about the moment everyone in the auditorium is having, not knowing whether they would be there 24 hours ago or 2 hours ago. She tells everyone about getting up herself this morning not knowing she would be there today. She asks everyone there to examine this moment and have a conversation — not with anybody else (rather pointedly) but "with your own heart."
And she asks everyone in the audience to try on her latest inspiration, words of "First Lady of the the World" Eleanor Roosevelt that Maria has above her computer at home:
Do one thing every day that scares you.
I’m not sure Maria Shriver was scared to do this one thing today, but I admire mightily her having done it. And I gotta give Alma Rangel mad props as well. Way to break into the noisy Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Tuesday newscycle, ladies.
Are there other public families whose endorsements aren’t aligned? Share ‘em in the comments if you’ve got ‘em.
PS — Please blame Terrance at Republic of T for the shortiness of this post. He introduced me to a rich and fulfilling way to waste time this afternoon, which seriously cut into tonite’s writing time: Make-Your-Own-Album. Have fun.
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TSF!
Teddy!
Hola, teddy!
Glad to see there are no bloody noses or broken beer steins on the floor from the SB.
Snoopy dance!
i haven’t been keeping track of the the endorsements
Good on Maria for this endorsement.
According to dday at Dkos, who attended this event, Michelle Obama’s speech was quite progressive. That makes me feel a bit better.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..321/449187
So as I mentioned on last thread, lunch tomorrow with Charlie Rangel. Jane sez I should ask him about dinner conversations with Alma, as he’s supporting H & she’s endorsing O.
Teddyguy!
Ahnold gets behind McCain, and Mrs Ahnold backs Obama. Life in the governor’s mansion is probably pretty interesting these days.
Teddy, I can’t remember Maria making any endorsements while she’s been CA First Lady. My sense is that she’s tried to be the non-confrontational spouse, and let Ahnold do the endorsing and the politicking. Have I missed something, or is she starting to enjoy a bit of lame-duck freedom and telling the governator’s GOP handlers to stuff it?
*waving weakly from her chair*
I’m still sick, got some cough suppressant from the Doc, and at the moment only staying upright seems to make it go away entirely. Still weak as a kitten though. No work for me tommorrow whether i like it or not.
Good to see the endorsements still coming. We do need hope, right now. Hope and the promise that we can do something better.
At least htey’re on the same team. Unlike Carville & Matalin.
Teddy has asked that the Moderators pull any and all sports chatter on this thread due to the bruhaha downstairs during Siun’s thread.
We will be doing so.
Or Ahnold & Mrs. Ahnold.
i haven’t been keeping track of the the endorsements
And I’ve lost track of the polls. How’s it looking in CA? (saw one earlier today, but I couldn’t make out which which was popular vote, and which was expected delegates)..
Anyone? trends?
My mom sent me 4 different emails today to make sure I saw this … as she said, that’s a mighty good group of women on that stage!
Did it get dicey down there?
-G
The Kennedy family endorsements are thought to be push back against Hillary’s comment about LBJ and civil rights. JFK’s record on civil rights is a problem for the Camelot mythology. Joejr and Bobby were the stars of that family.
So sorry alias. If it’s what I had, and it sounds like it from last night’s description, you’ll be down for a week. Sleep is the best thing. And mustard plaster to the chest.
*waves back* Hope you feel better soon.
I bet it pissed her off when Ahnold endorsed Crazy Man McCain. Remember when McCain went on off Maria when she tried to interview him in 2000. I think it was right after Super Tuesday, when he was vanquished by a Chimpanzee! I think she asked him “How does it feel…..”? She is getting even. The way certain media outlets fawn all over Obama lure celebrities to the foot lights like moths to a flame. too bad endorsements do not an election make.
Hello, everyone. I found this speech quite inspiring. It reminded me of some of Christy’s really great writing about how we can find our voice and be the folks we’ve been waiting for. Although I am undecided about the remaining Democrats (and have already voted for JRE) I sure would like to know how Arnold and Maria’s phone conversations are going today.
Do you suppose Dick Cheney is listening in?
I see you’re wearing your discipline outfit tonight.
**removes fingers from both ears** Hey teddy, How about Mrs. Rangel? Let’s hope she wrangles Charlie into her court. *g*
Unlike Carville & Matalin.
That’s kind of an unfair comparison. AFAIK, there is nothing, or no one, couples or otherwise, that can be compared to Carville and Matalin.
Or I at least hope to gawd that’s the case…
Separate bedrooms, I would wager.
I had completely forgotten about McCain’s rudeness to Maria in 2000, brian99c! (searching YouTube….)
Polls are all over the place. We’re going to have to wait for the actual votes to come in. :)
It should be very exciting and probably a long night.
I’d like to see Michelle Obama and the Big Dog in a debate.
I think it was Craig Crawford who suggested that Alma Rangel would not have made her endorsement without her husband’s blessing, in a very chauvinistic way. Perhaps CAHN could ask Charlie if he approved her endorsement and is hedging his bets?
Hi Suzanne -
I doubt you’ll have any problems. It’s all over and done with.
Craig Crawford has been weirder than usual recently …
but I do like Maria Shriver’s voice … good stuff!
McCain is sounding more and more arrogant as the days go on. I am going to be sick and tired of his ‘mu friends’ schtick too.
It’ll be fun to see the GOPers forced to get behind him and then corkscrew out of their chairs when he starts dodging back to the center.
-G
I just don’t get it. I could even date someone I wasn’t compatible with on politics, let alone marry them.
I’m already on day two. Without work i’ll likely have two more days to get over this, since i think i’d been scheduled with tuesaday off this work week. Time enough to recover, and then treat myself very gingerly while i recover the rest of the way and work. Mostly i’m concentrating on trying to break this gorram fever and not cough up a lung.
waving back, thanks.
I think he’s got a broken foot and is drinking alot in recovery or soemthing. He looks flushed and ruddy and definately doesn’t seem as lucid as he used to be.
-G
Perhaps CAHN could ask Charlie if he approved her endorsement and is hedging his bets?
Chollie playing it safe and hedging his bets?
Surely you jest…
Michelle Obama sounds great from this little introduction. I’ve heard it said that she is a terrific speaker.
Preview, meet wangdang. Wangdang, meet preview.
…couldn’t date…
Crawford has been really strange. I’m wondering about his health. (and hope he is well)
I think he does have a serious health problem. He always sounds “breathie” when I see him on KO.
And his speech patterns are bizarrely affected. I can’t stand listening to him.
Right. It’s like trying to date someone of a completely different religion if you’re a religious person.
Sangemon … look for some videos of her … she’s really something else!
dark chocolate reportedly more effective against coughs than codeine. I kid you not.
He reminds of Don Knotts.
-G
THAT’s why i never coough!
I thought it was fascinating that Maria talked about her daughter asking her to make a difference today, if she could. Just like Caroline’s children talked her into her endorsement. America’s children are reaching out to try to save Irak’s children from the madman McCain.
Exactly. If.
;)
I wish I’d known that last week. Sounds way better than mustard plaster.
Here is Soledad O’Brien’s recent CNN interview with Michelle Obama.
yes they are.
remember how i got here?
Thank you Suzanne (no dive?)
Teddy has asked that the Moderators pull any and all sports chatter on this thread due to the bruhaha downstairs during Siun’s thread.
Is it OK to discuss the Carville / Frist ad that aired tonight? It made me sick.
Didn’t know people still did mustard plaster. My granny used them on me when I was a child. They worked.
That’s it!!!
Thank you, I can stop trying to place it now.
Whew!
That’s about the most wonderful thing I have read this year.. Imagine.. it might be true.
I went to pee and missed it. What was it about, or for?
Um, don’t think that’s how I can frame the Q.
does sports snack count as sports chatter? if so, i’ll bake something new.
I noticed that too … I know my daughter has made me look more carefully … and I think seeing the world also a bit through her eyes makes a difference
Here’s Crawford today, writing about Romney trying to be like Obama.
I wouldn’t even know where to begin on how to make a mustard plaster. It seems that sitting up helps the coughing stay away. I just can’t sleep like this. Which is going to make tonight fun again. Ugh.
Like I said, it’s Pepsi for me from here on.
Let us not, please. Thanks.
Begin with mustard?
sorry, teddy, i was issuing your request instead of a dive tonight and it feels too late to do so now
ask teddy – his thread
I would pay LOTS O MONEY for a front row seat at THAT event!! Am I supposed to care what some rich never,worked a DAY in her life,professional relative of the Kennedy’s thinks about ANYTHING?! What, is it her superior judgement in men I’m supposed to admire? How bout Chief Wilma Mankiller endorsinf Hillary Clinton?! Now THERE’S a woman who’s had to fight tooth and nail for everything she’s EVER had against UNBELIEVABLE odds with the good ol boyz network. And she’s looked at the candidates and thinks Ms. Clinton has what it takes. So let me go over this again…the opinion of a trophy wife/poodle or a hard working, ground breaking woman of strength. Hmmmm, seems kinda like a no brainer ta me!
Hey Teddy! Not was Maria on the stage , but her cousin Caroline and even Oprah…
Scroll down to #37. Better yet, chocolate. :)
If you haven’t yet read it, Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, endorses Obama. Another well-spoken woman for Obama.
I meant not only Maria…
Heh, Stevie Wonder to boot…
What is a mustard plaster, anyway?
Sounds very 19th century.
See my #74.
Seeing the hopeful faces — mostly women’s — in that crowd for Michelle gave me great hope.
I’m not following you, wangdangdoodle…
Have you noticed that Obama seems to have given up HOPE. There are only CHANGE signs in the crowd. Hope and Change have given way to just CHANGE.
Just hope its not loose change.
I have nothing whatsoever to say about any sporting event today.
So, who is everybody supporting on Tuesday (those of you who vote or caucus then)?
Teddy, what’s with the Grizzly for ya icon? I thought ya were cute and cuddly…? *g*
Obama/Gore?
I’m not surprised, I see two posts have #74 (at this moment).
It’s a blend of 1 part ground up mustard seed and 2 parts flour. Get it wet, spread it on a piece of damp cloth and put it on your chest. Draws out the yuckies.
Careful though, you can blister yourself with it. Don’t leave it on to long and check it often. I looked like a red-breasted robin when I was done.
Although I was just hoping they weren’t going to have an altar call. Getting a little too religious for me. Obama is fine, but not the second coming. I have had my fill of people who think with their gut.
Apply a warm mustard poultice to thee afflicted parts. Pray often.
-Goody Proctor
P.S.
Drudge has a creepy teaser up:
American military in Iraq were authorized to pursue former members of Saddam’s government, terrorists across Iraq’s borders into Iran and Syria… Developing…
Gore ain’t gonna go for #2
Obama/Hamsher /s
teddy, is saying that one is not saying anything about a sporting event in fact saying something and should i have the mod squad pull those too?
Hamsher/Obama?
Michelle Obama’s “Be Not Afraid” speech in Iowa was really good.
Hamsher/Hardin Smith
Dem race seems to be a dead heat. Both candidates seem pretty strong to me. Read a great piece in the New Yorker about Clinton yesterday. I already voted for Edwards- so it’s wait and see time.
Here’s a non-Drudge link about that story:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..292/449224
Suzanne, I meant no offense. That was actually meant as an endorsement of the prevailing policy. *g*
My totem is a pic I took of one of our very cuddly grizzly girls at the SFZoo.
Ha! Exactly my thought as I hit submit.
“Do one thing every day that scares you”
I think I’ve got the month of February pretty much taken care of.
Here is a link that tells you how to make a mustard plaster.
Looks like you have to be really careful not to burn yourself with the plaster.
link
i was not singling you out, neuro. there have been others.
No sports posts or no-sports posts, sport!
Righto. Don’t taze me, bro!
thank you teddy, otherwise, i’m left open to being called a sports hating bitch.
a decidedly non-Giants, non-sports, non-football snack.
I must confess. My Snoopy dance at #6 was not for Maria endorsing Obama.
Guilty. Guilty as charged.
OK.
We are now done talking about talking about sports.
i’m going to attempt to sleep again. This time sitting upright. I might be back later if it doesn’t work.
sleep well, alias *holding hand on monitor and sending ya warm positive healing thoughts*
Best, alias.
Is it OK to mention George Orwell?
Still looking for signs of political life in the Bay Area. Saw one Obama bumper sticker and encountered an Obama table with one enthusiastic supporter at the local shopping center. That’s it, you would hardly know there’s an important election coming up in 2 days.
Heeeeey guys.
What’s on your minds tonight?
ron paul signs all over the santa cruz mountains, eg.
sleep well alias.
Oh oh.
Am at a complete loss about what to do re PAA/FISA tomorrow.. We need to act up and act loud or….
I wonder if Maria and Arnold’s children talk with their Dad about politics like they talk with their mom. I wonder if Maria told Arnold about her plans. I wonder what he said to her. I wonder if she’s pissed at Arnold for endorsing McCain after the way McCain treated her in 2000. I wonder if McCain remembers mistreating Maria. I wonder if Arnold remembers.
So many questions to launch this endorsement into successive news cycles.
George Orwell? Shit yeah.
Good luck, alias.
Are you suggesting that Halliburton has an Audio Visual production department?
they’re still a lot of ‘em in central FL.
(just barely cracks open hatch and peers out the narrow slit)
Is it safe to come out now? Are the sports people all gone now?
Senate phone and fax numbers. They are waiting to hear from us.
cutest LOLCAT (ape? monkey?) ever
http://www.dipdive.com
I can feel it in NW Ohio….
thanks. i’m sure it’s yum-o. but i’ll pass.
Krugman with a piece up at NYT claiming that Hillary’s health care plan will insure twice as many as Obama’s and for only a small incremental expense. Well done
Just a basic question. Didn’t Obama state that he made an ad-buy during the Florida Primary and they showed in Florida because he could not prevent them because they had to be shown nationally. Yet, come Super Bowl ad-buys, he is able to just have the ads play in ONLY the 22 states that have primaries on Tues. Seems as if Barack Obama is the only candidate who violated the “NO CAMPAIGNING IN FLORIDA” edict from the Democratic Party. Yet he has lied and attacks Hillary of breaking the pledge. She merely met with supporters AFTER the primary. WHo is the one who broke the rules????
oops, 123 meant for you.
jayt @110: Preview is NOT my friend tonite; comment meant for you.
maybe he bought national spots the first time round and local spots this time.
BFL, no sports means you too. every one of your comments has had to be pulled.
We’re not gone, we’ve just been silenced.
wangdangdoodle February 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
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In response to jayt @ 27
I just don’t get it. I could even date someone I wasn’t compatible with on politics, let alone marry them.
____________________
like Kevin Bacon says to his Buddy (in “Diner”) when they’re driving past that big estate with the white fence around it: “There’s a world we don’t know anything about.”
I wish they would have never made the no-campaigning-in FL pledge to begin with. Among the people I know who are non-political or only casually political, the absence of visible Democratic candidates in FL is going to hurt the Dems in November, no matter who the nominee is.
you wanna push teddy’s rule?
I have to see that seeing a short middle-aged woman in a pantsuit keep on fighting and never giving up – despite the past viciousness directed her way and with only more of the same to come – makes me feel very protective of her. And even though I haven’t agreed with her every move, I think I’m going to feel very heart broken if she loses. For women of my generation Hillary represents a triumph in a game where the other side makes up the rules as they go along. I’m sure that millions of people attach the same emotion to Barack’s candidacy. But is it wrong to feel that his supporters are starting to look like the cool kids?
The prohibition against campaigning in the Florida primary ended after the Florida primary. National ads are permitted now because no “little states” primaries or caucuses need protecting from the national ads. So buying time nationally is permitted without violating DNC rules.
Re Albie50 @130:
The no campaigning thing, as i understood was an “agrement” that was kinda forced on the candidates. I thought they all stuck to it. Didn’t know BO showed any commercials. Hilary did stop and say a few words on an airport runway, which wasn’t considered campaigning, and posed for pictures with palm trees behind her. subtle. if BO broke the agreement, i sure didn’t notice and it didn’t do him any good.
No Ma’am, I’m just chuckling at the irony.
night all…
Hooo… kayyyyyy…
Think I’ll give Teh Sports a little while longer to cool down. Never mind me.
(creeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkk….. hatch closes again, just as quietly as it opened)
It isn’t IMO. This has been brutal, regardless of her views and position.
I like this lolcat:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/…..i-has-one/
g’nite, jayt.
G’nite everyone.
*waving g’nite to the leaving pups*
sleep well jayT
Maria performed well on this. I’d never heard her speak before. A little too much hair flipping for my taste, but otherwise very good.
It is safe now.
I will be sorry to see her lose, too. But if she does — and I think the smart money’s on her to win the nomination, still — she will have blazed a remarkable trail. I hope she will find happiness in another role should she lose. And that the next Presidential candidate who is a woman will have come up on her own. I prefer that to the banana-republican nature of electing a former First Lady. While it suits our current economy and may suit our new place in the world, I don’t want to start electing First Ladies. Next thing you know, The GOPs will nominate Laura Bush.
night ecahn
my reply thingy ain’t workin.’ i really don’t have much to say anyway.
and i gotta go find somethingh blue & red to wear to work tomorrow.
g’nite all.
Sweet dreams, eCAHN.
g’nite eCahn
alibe50 February 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
130
Just a basic question. Didn’t Obama state that he made an ad-buy during the Florida Primary and they showed in Florida because he could not prevent them because they had to be shown nationally. Yet, come Super Bowl ad-buys, he is able to just have the ads play in ONLY the 22 states that have primaries on Tues. Seems as if Barack Obama is the only candidate who violated the “NO CAMPAIGNING IN FLORIDA” edict from the Democratic Party. Yet he has lied and attacks Hillary of breaking the pledge. She merely met with supporters AFTER the primary. WHo is the one who broke the rules????
__________________________________
save it for McCain, why don’t you?
That’s stretching it beyond all reason. It’s not like Hillary was just a first lady. She did lots in Arkansas and while first lady. Laura Bush has done nothing but plug in Christmas lights.
Hello!
Overshadowed by Maria’s endorsement today was Kate Michelman’s:
Teddy SF at 153.
True about HRC. Win or lose. and I too think she’s gonna win, although I dunno who i’d rather see win.
And read to George.
Remember when I suggested he should tell you three concrete reasons he’s supporting Hill?
BO didn’t do too hot w/ the kids on MTV last nite. did OK but i expected he’d do better.
Sigh, love you guys. You are great soldiers.
Does anyone else think former Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL, would be a strong VP candidate? He is worshipped here in FL… I could very easily see a Clinton/Graham or Clinton/Clark ticket…Obama, I’m just not sure.
Speaking only about my little corner of the world, when Obama can get the attention of my normally politics-ambivalent sister I think there is something really happening.
One answer: Why Some Feminists Aren’t Supporting Hillary
Sorry. Couldn’t help it…*g*
My prediction is that Obama becomes the next President of the United States. Clinton would have won Super Tuesday if it was held last week, but I think it’s looking pretty iffy now.
His time was in 2000. To Al Gore’s neverending shame he chose the moral finger wagger Joe Lieberman in order to put Holy Joe’s piety between Gore and Clinton.
Had Gore chosen Graham Florida wouldn’t have been close.
-G
just February 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
139
I have to see that seeing a short middle-aged woman in a pantsuit keep on fighting and never giving up – despite the past viciousness directed her way and with only more of the same to come – makes me feel very protective of her. And even though I haven’t agreed with her every move, I think I’m going to feel very heart broken if she loses. For women of my generation Hillary represents a triumph in a game where the other side makes up the rules as they go along. I’m sure that millions of people attach the same emotion to Barack’s candidacy. But is it wrong to feel that his supporters are starting to look like the cool kids?
_________________
this ain’t no disco. both sides are fighting it out. politics ain’t parcheesi. frankly, it’s not very smart to snipe at either candidate if you want either one of them to become president. sniping at either candidate helps the Repubs, especially at this stage of the game, or do you just not get that?
frankly, i’m heart broken that John Edwards has lost. Boo-fucking-hoo. I’ll get over it. Don’t mean to be mean but, really …..
I think there’s truth to what you’re saying about the “first lady” issue. But it’s hard to see another woman on the horizon who the public would be willing to accept as having adequate foreign policy experience. As it happens, Hillary got that experience through Bill’s presidency. So I’m afraid it’s a double edged sword.
sleep well bfl
I have never, ever felt that I was one of the cool kids. I was a sincere Edwards supporter until last Wednesday when, after having repeatedly pledged to stay in the race until the convention, he bailed out. I don’t hold any grudge about that, I’m sure he had good reasons for what he did. But with my state’s caucuses looming on Feb. 5, I was suddenly faced with a major decision.
I did a lot of thinking over the next 48 hours, and it left me feeling that I had nowhere to go other than Obama. Although it may sound to some like a cliche, I believe it is true that he represents the future rather than the past. I have heard sincere older Democrats whose judgment I trust compare him to JFK.
I have found that I cannot ignore the fact that Obama was against the war when Clinton was for it. I have been disgusted with Bill Clinton’s remarks during this campaign, which have made me less willing to consider Sen. Clinton as my candidate. I admire her and respect her, but when it comes right down to it I feel the most comfortable supporting Barack Obama. I feel he has both the greatest inclination and the best opportunity to put the ideals John Edwards has courageously stood for into action.
And it has nothing to do with being a cool kid, which anyone who knows me could tell you I am not.
Yes, Hillary was a mover in the Clinton WH. She tried to get things done. Laura B. could have tried to do something, anything (possibly fighting illiteracy?) Probably was not allowed to. Second worst First Lady in my lifetime, next to Babs. I think Michelle Obama will find a way to do something as First Lady. What would Bill C. do as First Man?
I was just gonna lurk tonight, but …
Things happen fast in politics
Clinton-Obama … Obama-Clinton is a dead heat
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104…..-2008.aspx
http://www.californiaprogressr…..f_cal.html
none of them are perfect, but, truth be told, none of the past ones were either, no matter how we like to remember them.
What does that mean? Ijust wonder why BO attacked Hillary in last debate for “breaking” the pledge in Florida by appearing in Fla after the primary. And yet he had campaign ads shown in Florida. When called on this he said he could not make the national ad-buy discriminate by not having them shown in Florida. Yet his SuperBowl ads were purchased for JUST the 22 primary states. Hillary has been raked over the coals for being a cheat and breaking the rules,(even Keith Olberman) while Obama has, as always, escaped scrutiny.
neuro, very nicely stated.
HA! Good question. Maybe he’ll work on war crimes indictments.
It’s okay. I’m immune to rudeness. But I don’t think I’m swiping at Obama – just stating my personal feelings.
It’s the bile, though.
We need to husband that for the Goopers, if I may be so bold.
You funny, Loo Hoo!
It’ll be interesting to see if there are any incidents before the election. A new terrorist plot busted…….Another trumped up Iran confrontation.
-G
WOMEN should read this first before voting or being impressed with Maria Shriver. I don’t know how to link…but here is the address. IT IS A MUST READ FOR WOMEN
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
A Robin Morgan essay.
Sorry – didn’t mean to characterize genuine Obama supporters as “cool kids.” It was just my way of expressing my personal feelings about the race for the nomination.
Yea, sure. I think he’s to in with the in crowd to push that…
Wouldn’t it be great if Patrick Fitzgerald is the next AG?
That brings this Edwards supporter over to Obama as well. The war is our continuing moral obligation. The killing, maiming, and creation of millions of refugees must cease. Dear God that hurts to type. We are responsible for so much pain in Iraq. We have destroyed a functioning country.
The administration has so fucked up the economy that people now view that as the central issue in the election, but the war is still out there. We can multitask. End the war, restore the economy.
You mean tomorrow? Or before the November election? Because I am sure there will be terror before the November election. Maybe tomorrow too.
I really appreciated the fact that in their last debate, Obama and Clinton were both clearly striving to treat each other with decency while agreeing to disagree about a few points. I hope that continues, not only because I think it serves each of them well, but more importantly because I want them to maintain a threshold of civility between themselves that would make it feasible for either of them to lead a “dream ticket” with the other as running mate. If Obama prevails, I would hope Clinton’s ego would not preclude her from accepting such an arrangement.
Sixty percent of Americans think the Irak war wasn’t worth fighting. We need to nominate a candidate who opposed it from the start in order to clarify McCain’s continued warmongering. I think.
lily, the mods are trying to fix your link. please do not keep resubmitting your same comment.
I appreciate your comments, neuro.
Obama Runs Ad During Super Bowl
Markets and states overlap, cable companies do not run by state lines. Broadcast networks do not stop at the state line. Ask any Canadian…
So if Ads were shown in FL, was it intentional or part of state line overlap?
lily, your link has been fixed and freed from the filters. the duplicates have been deleted. do a hard refresh of the page (F5 if on PC) to see your comment and link.
Lily15 – A hard refresh will reveal your fixed comment.
Well, we did have the Iranian suicide water skiiers scare before the NH primary……
-G
It’s beyond my imagination to see Clinton as Obama’s VP. But I feel sure that if he wins the nomination she’ll get behind him 100% – as will the vast majority of her supporters.
Shriver’s endorsement leaves the couple with better credentials as moderates. Arnie ain’t stupid- he’s in a very blue state.
After Tuesday:
With all the important issues facing us, I can’t believe people are discussing TV ads in Florida and how they got there. Let’s move on from that, please.
My recollection is that the Obama ads which reached Florida were purchased on MSNBC.
Lily they are both quite qualified but nothing in that article tells me why I should support HRC over B O
This portends six wins in a row for Obama after Tuesday. I’m not sure how that can be overcome.
being a cable network, they may have only had national buys. or so it seems here before 11 pm.
I want to add that I could be very happy with an Obama/Edwards ticker or even a Clinton/Edwards ticket. But I do think the party may find itself in August in a situation where bringing together the Obama and Clinton factions of the party is paramount for success in November.
I agree 100%….some tend to get too deep in the weeds….
Dems allocate delegates proportionally in many/most states unlike the goops who are mostly winner take all. That means that a dem can hang on longer against a strong adversary.
Another inexpert opinion from here, but in the Dee Cee area over the past few days I’ve only seen Obama ads, and nothing from Clinton. And no McCain ads whatsoever. Does that speak to this area turning more and more blue?
Maybe – but I have to wonder what Obama would have done if he had actually had to vote. Maybe he would have done the same thing as John Edwards. We could all guess perhaps, and things look clear in hindsight, but nobody (except the Bush administration) really knew the truth about Iraq.
agreed
and millions of protesters around the globe
I fear what Clinton will do with her campaign coffers if she drops out.. She, Bill and Wes Clark helped Mark Lieber-lovin Pryor raise 600k in the last quarter of 2007 alone.. Her money could be Blue Americas worst enemy in terms of fighting for progressive congressional seats. Of course this is a worry even if she stays in the race.
On the other hand, the candidates’ lovefest debate, while prompting a question about a shared ticket, may actually allow the winner to decline to share. The theory is, the more they fight, the more their supporters hate the other. The more they make nice, the more their supporters like the other, which wouldn’t require a unity ticket.
If Obama’s gonna campaign as the outside change agent he seems to want to be, I think either Bill Richardson or Wes Clark would be great running mates for him.
What happens to unspent presidential campaign money, anyway?
Seems there is still a double standard for women…. Thanks Lily for bringing this up, great Robin Morgan essay! she says it so well.
Most veeps sit around and go to a lot of funerals. Cheney was different only cause the prez couldn’t decide what color of tie to wear on any given day.
I don’t really care much about veep choices.
Good question, as I’d ponied up a lot of cash for Edwards. Not that I’m begrudging it, not at all! But I’d like to know.
not caring about veep choices is what got us cheney
I think Obama should nominate Feingold and give Feingold a whole lot of authority.
I think they can pretty much do as they please with it.
that’s a nice thought!
Not caring about prez choices is what got us Cheney.
I don’t want to lose Feingold from the Senate. :)
I don’t see Obama choosing Clinton as the running mate. Would you want Bill sucking up all the attention? :)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Obama / Edwards.
I’d say “must” rather than “can.” But, that quibble aside, I completely agree. ;-)
Bill Richardson was actually my first choice for president; I felt (and still do) he had the broadest range of experience, and that he could do very well among Hispanics, whom Democrats need to have on their side if they are to do well. I was disappointed, however, in his mediocre results in the early states. But he could still make a good VP nominee.
Actually Edwards took out a loan to fund his campaign since NH using the Fed matching funds as collateral for the loan. That is the reason he just suspended his campaign waiting for when the FEC to get around to pay him for his matching funds so that he can pay off the loan.
Edwards would be a great VP choice.. I would also like to see Edwards clean up Dept of Labor or Interior.
I like richardson for sec of state.
Me too…. now think Edwards stepping into the VP slot that Cheney created with all that power pushing congress to pass all those bills he wanted.
Knowing and believing aren’t the same thing.
But I agree this should not have been allowed to happen. Hillary alone could not have changed it, but I nevertheless hate that she didn’t at least try to stop it. Despite that, I still believe that she is stronger person and the one most capable of accomplishing actual change. But if Obama succeeds in being elected, I’m very much hoping he’ll prove me wrong. Because we really can’t afford another Jimmy Carter (who I very much admired but who doomed us to 8 years of Reganism).
Can you imagine the meeting Obama, as the nominee, would have with Senator Clinton?
“You can have VP, but you gotta keep this one on his leash at all times!”
Edwards would make an outstanding choice for attorney general. Can’t you already hear the wingnuts’ heads exploding at the thought of a trial lawyer in charge of the Justice Department?
It looked for a while as if dems would wrap up their primary business early and watch on as the goops ripped each other to shreds and spent all their cash. Now it may turn out the other way around.
now, now. with all that power in the VP office, they don’t need to go to congress.
Would you choose the person that the mainstream is repeatedly caling “the most polarizing person in America” as your running mate?
FWIW, that msm claim is true, but only as a product of their own villainization of Hillary, which has been going on since the turn of the century. If I were Obama (and I’m not), I’d call those bastard on that hipocracy.
anyone hungry for sandwiches
how about aspirin and antiacid?
That also would be great….. give him a few years to clean out all the muck and then appoint him to the Supremes
Tex…. I had a weird experience with Richardson at a private house party here in Phoenix when he opened his campaign office. It was something that makes me pause about him. We were introducing ourselves, I was invited as chair of our DFA group….. He bent down and touched his forehead to mine and said … “so your a Deaneack?” it was really startling and just plain weird. Made uncomfortable.
Thanks – but I ate too much earlier at a telecast of an event of a non political nature.
I don’t think Obama would choose Edwards. Among other reasons, Edwards has already been on a losing ticket – and he won’t bring Obama anyone he wouldn’t get anyway.
thanks, Betsy! Those really hit the spot!
It is not unthinkable that we could have someone in the next decade that has been Sec of State (Like Albright only younger) or held other cabinet positions emerge as a candidate. We could have a woman Senator that has been on the foreign relations committee or intelligence committee, etc. More and more women are being elected Governors and Senators. With the exception of Hillary currently being in the Senate, in large part her experience has been unofficial. We don’t know how answerable she was to anyone or what, if any, her actual duties were. Being “the spouse of” on a junket is not really being in the trenches when it comes to experience. Frankly, I think she has claimed a lot of experience that may not hold up to close scrutiny.
You’re working too hard tonight, Suz.
ick!
yep :-)
There are female dem governors- some candidates should come from that group.
They are not the ideal family…as least not from the perspective of a tutor who spent time at the family home…but images and narrative must be enough for some…
Damn, Obama/Richardson would be a good ticket…as would Clinton/Clark.
What the heck is an”ideal family”?
This may be helpful.
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You are spreading propaganda…deliberately. You know full well she was implementing policy as first lady in Arkansas and reformed the educational system in Arkansas…was implementing policy as first lady and has 9 years as a senator…compared to Obama having one year of experience as a Senator before he started running for President. I refer you to Eriposte at theleftcoaster.com for all links as to Hillary’s actual experience with citations.
Given who Hillary is – an intelligent, inquisitive and enormously energetic person – it’s absolutely impossible for me to imagine that she didn’t acquire immense knowledge from having been in the White House for 8 years.
If Obama gets the nomination I don’t think he would even consider Clinton for VP. She still brings all the negative baggage that would drive away many of this voters. There is REAL animosity towards her out there. I think he would pick someone that can really bring something to the table different from himself. Maybe Jim Webb, maybe even Wes Clark because he wouldn’t be tied to Clinton any longer, maybe Mark Warner or Bill Richardson.
It was in response to the fawning praise of Shriver…as though she were some great example…or that her endorsement should carry such great weight. What enabled Arnold to be governor…his wife? His stardom? His experience?
Possible – but they’ll get the “no foreign policy” rap. A male candidate can get away with that but a female candidate – not so much. If HRC doesn’t make it I think there will be a long drought.
I still don’t know how to link it here. Can someone please link it…other women need to see this article. It says it all so well…much better than random comments here and there. And it empowers women to see things from a different perspective.
Precisely. But the real obscenity is that so called liberals have pushed this lie. For all their talk of progressivism, I guess the means justify the ends..sort of Dick Cheney like…Obama is a liar…and once a liar…always a liar…as your example clearly points out.
Looks like there was room for one more in the exclusive Kennedy section of the Obama bandwagon.
But have you also forgotten McCain’s rudeness to Hillary when a constituent wanted to know about the “bitch?” And McCain played along, apparently agreeing. Is that what our female leaders can be called..”Bitches?” But link LBJ as being equally important as MLK, and the one who as President actually enacted Civil Rights legislation…and racism chargs fly…but that’s OK? And you’re concerned about McCain’s rudeness to Maria Shriver, the horse rider…in from a ride…to breathlessly endorse Obama? This hypocrisy is mind boggling.
start here
I have not forgotten McCain’s rudeness to Hillary, or to Chelsea and Janet Reno either. I highlighted it and criticized it mightily at the time.
Mrs. Clinton had not been elected to anything, and could not have executed policy, short of the ceremonial, according to AR state charter and the US Constitution.
But I do agree with you that Hillary has been unfairly smeared, and I’m an Edwards guy.
egregious@189; you nailed it. It’s unforgiveable to NOT be outraged about the war, and it’s an obscenity to stand and enthusiastically applaud bush’s “surge accomplished” bullshit, a few nights ago.
Especially, when the other democratic candidate was showing her what she SHOULD have been doing, which was, sitting there in stony disapproval at the last, big, official, koolaid-peddling session.
What’s hilariously ironic, is to hear her supporters trying to piggy-back on Obama, with their nonsense about:
“We have two strong candidates.”
It’s patented treacle; we have one VERY strong candidate, and one wet dream for Karl Rove and the GOP braintrust, if we’re stupid enough to nominate her.
It’s sad that John Edwards, for whom I voted recently, and whom I think (thought?) would make a hell of a president, doesn’t seem to understand that by holding off his endorsement of Obama, he’s missing an opportunity to put a few more nails in the GOP’s coffin, by helping end the candidacy of the only politician in this election who can save the repubs from the thrashing that they so richly deserve.
Hillary Clinton would be worth 12-15 percentage points to the republicans in the general, and most progressives are aware of it, which is one of the reasons why she consistently gets hammered in the polls taken by progressive organizations, and by progressive blog sites like this one.
Because the media let it slide. He did violate the rules and did run ads on cable before the vote. Hillary decided not to do likewise. The media just lied about it. Outright lied. They think people are so stupid they will believe the spin that Obama was following the rules and didn’t want to have cable ads on Florida TV but because of his national “buy” there was nothing he could do. It’s pure crap…and another example of Obama’s character problems.
Who are you calling stupid, lily?
Lily, that little clip of the republican “lady” showed more than John McCain’s reluctance to remind one of his supporters of how her comment might, and did, look, if it went public; it showed us just how visceral is the reaction of republicans and conservatives, and a lot of independents, to Hillary Clinton. If we nominate her, that little episode will be reprised more times than you can count them. We won’t see it publicly, but we’ll damn sure feel it, the morning after the general election.
Barack Obama will engender NOTHING like that. And he can, and will, go after McCain, hammer and tongs, for his channelling of generals George Patton and George Armstrong Custer.
And Marshhen@260; the Obama bandwagon has room for more than just the Kennedy’s; practically every major newspaper in California has endorsed him. :o)
You are disingenuous and you know it. You are deliberately pushing false narratives.
Like the ones who supported Obama? How about Gov. Sebelius who gave the Democratic response to the SOTU? She was an embarrassment. Aside from inducing a sleep like state, she mouthed destructive narratives for Democrats…the post partisan crap that is complete and total idiocy…that will damage progressive causes in the long run…But apparently that is the new progressive ideology…post partisanship…what a joke.
Just@255: If she’s so intelligent, why did she piss off most of her natural constituents, the progressive wing of the party, by chasing after conservative support that simply does not exist for her?
And why was she so badly fooled by george bush’s koolaid-and-bullshit war “intelligence”? Before you answer, keep in mind that 21 democratic senators refused to vote to authorize the invasion, as Clinton DID vote for it.
And if you think progressives aren’t pissed off, I’d remind you that she gets wiped on every progressive blog and organization that I’ve seen.
I don’t really care for endorsements from individuals, they make me think that there is some sort of deal in play for some immediate gain, some expediency that will come back to haunt, some gaming of the rubes to advance their own agenda.
It’s also insulting that a person in an elite position is advising or more than likely conning the great unwashed masses.
I can make up my own mind thank you very much.
I’m more inclined to accept labor union endorsements because they represent institutions that are concerned with policy and whose political record over decades has benefited working people in general not just union members.
The Kennedy Klan endorses Obama thing really bothers me. I believe it may have something to do with the battle within the party between the DLC connected people and everyone else. I’ve also read that Edward Kennedy was upset over a remark by the Clinton campaign. A good argument could be made that it’s a combination of both but I suspect the party power struggle may be the biggest factor. I’d like to think that the Kennedy’s are bigger than trying to move events over a personal slight. The Kennedy’s are special because they are an elite family that’s dedicated to public service as opposed to those elite families that are in public life to protect and expand the family jewels and/or use Washington as their personal entitled piggy bank – names like Bush and Frist come to mind here.
Whatever the reason I wish this would all be fought out in a different theatre of operations.
So this group of Kennedys is supporting the most conservative and least trustworthy candidate and the more liberal of the two candidates is the DLC candidate. An odd primary season to be sure and one that’s doing its damage to the party and may well lose it an election that should have been in the bag.
I haven’t seen anything this divisive in a primary season, ever. The behavior of elites has been reprehensible, from party leaders to elected officials to weblogs and one of the candidates.
Party leaders who stupidly punished two large states by zeroing out their delegations. At least one of those states (Michigan) was deceived by the DNC and then dumped on. Elected officials like Russ Feingold who, in his endorsement of Obama, disingenuously assaulted Edwards. Tawdry, petty behavior from someone I once respected. Then there are the weblogs like Dailykos that treats any criticism of Obama with the same kind of disingenuous tripe we would expect from Fox news. Sites like Talkingpointsmemo (along with Dailykos) whose treatment of Hillary Clinton is reminiscent of the main stream media and whose kid glove treatment of Obama closely resembles the media treatment of John McCain. Then there’s the candidate who would put at risk a program (Social Security) needed by millions to pad his personal support and whose pitch brings in support for him at the expense of the Democratic Party. Obama’s pitch is not bringing in new Democrats it’s bringing in Obamacrats
This primary season has become depressing for this old volunteer foot soldier so my activities will be limited to basic party outreach and helping some friends run for downticket offices. All the myriad little things that grunts do for the top of the ticket – not this time.
Lilly, debate the issues, but insulting other commenters will result in your comments never appearing on the thread.
It’s your call.
Well no doubt Republicans want you to believe that narrative…but I think it will create the opposite…a backlash…most women…perhaps not including yourself…will be repelled by this Hillary Hate…and the Republicans know it…so they’ve decided to con the progressives and the liberals into not nominating our strongest candidate. When Bill Bennett and Tucker Carlson are telling me how great Obama is and how divisive Hillary is…I take notice and put my common sense hat on. And I certainly don’t put my tail between my legs and get scared …because Republicans are threatening me with divisive politics…Haven’t you noticed that Republicans don’t compromise with any Democrats? In Congress? I’ll take a fighter like Hillary any day…and would never let a REpublican dictate my nominee. I think a lot of Republican women will not be voting for an old McCain over Hillary. But this fear of yours from Republican threats is rather paralyzing and dysfunctional.
Except what you’re saying is superficial analysis of media narrative and patently false.
good post…
Don’t you know you’re not supposed to talk about the truth? The new narrative in the progressive blogosphere prohibits truth telling. Rather, it perpetuates the media narrative of the moment that is pro Obama and anti Hillary. He breaks the rules but she is the rule breaker. Get it?
Dear Lily: here’s some more media narrative for you :o) :
This afternoon, Garrison Keillor came out for Obama, and so did Kate Michelman, one of John Edwards’ top supporters, and former president of NARAL Pro-Choice. :o)
I think there is a correlation between so called progressives and evangelicals. These Progressives are not basing their opinions on actual fact…but rather belief. If you want fact…go to Eriposte at theleftcoaster.com and read his archives…all the links are there. Hillary is actually more progressive than Obama…Obama is just rhetoric…he has accomplished very little and his narratives are definitely not progressive. I think there is a sexism in the progressive blogosphere that is alarming…but there is no question that a group think has taken over that is quite dangerous. I repeat…when the MSM in alliance with conservative pundits like Bennett and Carlson and Crystal are maligning Hillary and praising Obama…we have reason to be concerned. It is the media that created this HIllary Hate…and unfortunately many on the left were brainwashed along with those on the right. But if you want additional evidence…review the 2000 election and notice how Gore was branded. He was the establishment Democrat…the corporate Democrat…all the good liberals went for Bradley..and trashed Gore. Or they voted Nader.
Which tells me that progressives have had very bad judgment in the past. They certainly didn’t get Al Gore’s back then. Read dailyhowler.com for a full review with links on the trashing of Gore by LIBERALS. It is sobering. And happening again I’m afraid.
Lily15 – I think it’s worth noting that for a good long while now, Hillary has been being praised by many right-wing folks. We have always assumed that she was the candidate they wanted to run against, and her associations with folks like Murdoch and Gingrich on issues lent credibility to that suggestion.
But you must allow for us to differ with you where appropriate. This is an open place, and insults and screeching will get you ignored, and fast.
If yours is the only view that means anything to you, there’s a solution.
If you mean that by supporting anyone but Senator Clinton I am reduced to fearing Republican tactics, you’ve lost me. We may be unable to have a cogent conversation if my selection, for my own reasons and using my own criteria, isn’t acceptable to you.
You can’t seriously say this, can you? Is this tit for tat nonsense? Without engaging in this ridiculous childish exercise, I will say one thing about endorsements…RFK Jr. is in my mind, a true activist and environmentalist…who has consistently worked on the progressive side of issues. He and his sisters are adamantly behind Hillary. They have intellectual heft. I could name others…but it would be silly to play this game with you.
Just like to say that I appreciate your approach to this topic.
Lily, here’s the breakdown of the voting last October.
(on the progressive site on which you are now posting. :o) )
2309 votes cast.
John Edwards–998 votes, or 43%
Barack Obama—289 votes, or 13%
Dennis Kucinich—247 votes, or 11%
Hillary Clinton—236 votes, or 10%.
MoveOn.Org just endorsed Obama, because their membership voted for him, 70-30, over Clinton.
There was a straw poll by a large progressive organization, of which I can’t remember the name (I’ll try to dig it up, if you think I’m lying. :o) ) in which more than 150,000 people voted, and which Dennis Kucinich won handily.
Oh. Hillary got 4% of the vote.
She is NOT a progressive, and clearly, most progressives damn well know it.
P.S. Would YOU have stood and applauded a few nights ago, when George Bush was laying on another batch of the “we’re surging in Iraq!” bullshit?
Because, the candidate you’re so zealously defending did, and she did it at the same time that Barack Obama spoke volumes by sitting on his hands.
One more time: This is not rocket science. If we can’t hammer bush and the republicans over Iraq, we will not win this election. And Hillary Clinton aint got no hammer.
TeddySF – I just watched that over at huffpo and my word! What a FINE and soothing sight to my woman’s soul to see a stage full of strong independent women. Maria Shriver surprise endorsement was a true moment for women. And say what you want about Oprah, her clip addressed the calls of “traitor” she received for her choice and the calls that she endorsed because of race. She called it “free” women. I call it independent minded women, and then Maria Shriver. She was right, it was a moment. Michelle Obama also has that independent spirit that I so admire. I identify with that at a level that hillary clinton never took the time in her life to find. Herself. She’s spent her whole life doing what she should do, being who she should be. She’s never excavated all those should do/should be to BE who she is. Like bush, she has no clue who that is.
Good for Maria!!!
By mentioning Murdoch and Gingrich you give yourself away. Clearly, cogent and clear headed analysis isn’t your thing. Gingrich worked with Hillary on electronic medical records…Murdoch gave her very little…but as a constituent of hers in New York…he certainly wasn’t out of line. She also worked with other conservatives and actually passed legislation. Surely you are capable of reviewing facts with more than a simplistic mouthing of media narratives? Edwards, I believe was sincere, this time. But his record of not being a fighter when he was actually in the Senate is noteworthy. Whatever it is about his character, he was not successful in the Senate nor as a VP candidate. But I don’t doubt his sincerity now. I do doubt Obama.
But it is Hillary who has a consistent record and doesn’t talk out of two sides of her mouth.
Lily15 – my point was not to suggest that she was in league with them, but to buttress the well-circulated notion that they wanted to run against Senator Clinton. For all I know, they are evolving towards preferring Senator Obama.
I am not attacking you. Lighten up. We can have a dialog, or a shouting match, but if it’s the latter, you will be alone.
Lily@274: “…A fighter like Hillary…”
Well, let’s see…she fought for the war, until she saw the polls for the mid-terms, and discovered her inner antiwar-self.
She fought for that legislation to make flag-burning a federal crime. In fact, she co-sponsored it with one of the worst kneejerks in the Senate, Robert Bennett, R-Utah.
She certainly fought for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment, which was part of bush’s attempt to gin up a new clusterfuck with Iran.
What was she fighting for when she did this?:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..0694.shtml
In fact, since you think she’s a fighter, can you tell us when she risked one micron of her political butt to take on Bush and the warpimps?
Because, the last time I checked she STILL has not apologized unequivocally, for her vote to authorize Operation Enduring Mayhem.
I’m sorry to tell you, but you got nothin’…
Is this the same NARAL pro choice that always endorsed “moderate” REpublicans and helped them keep a majority before 2006? One must put one’s own thinking cap on. There are lots of things going on that have more to do with influence and power than with principle.
newtonusr – I don’t think I’ve seen you since Edwards “suspended” and I know you said you’d donated to his campaing. Made any decisions on who you’ll back now that he’s out? Just curious. :-)
I’m going with Obama/Edwards myself. :-)
Torn in two, thanks.
I’ve been here, and I’m trying to keep own counsel until I walk into the booth.
Regrettably, it is coming down to electability.
Right now, a brokered convention sounds just fine, if you get my drift.
Hillary was the one who defended Move On on the Petraeus ad. Not Obama. I already agreed with you that progressive blogs are not for Hillary. But I didn’t agree it was rational. You know, in 30 years, Bill Clinton is the only Democrat elected as President. And he didn’t get there by running as a liberal. Democrats nominated many liberals..and all of them lost…If you recall, progressives also liked Jim Webb and John Tester. Take a look at their voting records…Hillary is more progressive. But nary a word against them. Ben Nelson supported Obama. And Ben Nelson also voted for Alito and Roberts. But Hillary is the problem for progressives. Maybe the problem is a very self reverential and hypocritical blogosphere on the left…not Hillary. Isn’t it interesting that working men and women who are Democrats support her…but the liberal elites have more of a problem with her. This same class disliked Gore and supported Bradley.
Do you think the liberal elites are just smarter than the rabble?
BTW, Lily; Ann Coulter said yesterday that she would support Clinton, before McCain.
Do you think Bill Bennet and Tucker are mad? :o)
The wingers have you, and the rest of her supporters, by the cerebellum. They bash Hillary, and you guys salivate like Pavlov’s dogs. And start screaming that it all means she should have the nod from us.
Let me tell you a secret; there are one hell of a lot of democrats who do NOT want to see the democratic nomination awarded to Hillary Clinton as a heating-pad for her butt, just because so many kneejerks mindlessly despise her. In fact, given her track record of support for bush’s bloody mesopotamian petroleum hunt, it’s a damn good reason to not support her.
It’s simple; the republicans are going into this election with more negatives than any political party in decades; maybe, in our history.
There is only one candidate who can rescue them, and her name is Hillary Clinton.
Let me ask you something, Lily:
Do you think the surge is working…?
Do you know anything about the surge?
Patrick Fitzgerald is currently prosecuting Obama’s long time friend and contributor, Tony Rezko, in Chicago. The trial starts Feb.25. Obama gave over $100,000. to charity from Rezko donations. Google it if you want to learn more. Or check out Hillaryis44.com
I meant Hillaryis44.org if you want to get the links to the various Rezko stories. But Patrick Fitzgerald will not be on Obama’s list of AGs.
Tanbark, you’re making your point very well but that last line really wasn’t necessary. Capiche?
Your rant would make sense if Russ Feingold were the candidate. But Obama has not lifted a finger to stop the war or vote any differently than Hillary. Except he supported General Casey and she did not.
Hey folks – they all have warts.
Would anybody here like to see Romney or McCain in the big chair?
Let’s remember that the alternatives to either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama are pretty awful.
“Are there other public families whose endorsements aren’t aligned? Share ‘em in the comments if you’ve got ‘em.”
What political family are you talking about? I can’t believe this is news. Didn’t the Kennedy’s endorse bin Lieberman last week? I don’t see how an endorsement from the first lady of bipartisanship can inspire much confidence. I must say though that all the Republicans and other stupid uninformed people I know sure like Obama, so that gives him a definite advantage going into November. He’s the feel good (about yourself) candidate who won’t actually accomplish anything except bipartisanship.
No, Lily, the problem is that Hillary (and Bill) thought they owned the democratic party. They thought that we were supposed to have a coronation party for her.
Obama started de-railling that in Iowa, and then lost a close one to her in New Hampshire, and then absolutely shellacked her in South Carolina. :o)
More and more people are getting behind him, and turning their backs on Hillary and her AIPAC-driven mid-east bullshit. I don’t see how Edwards could bring himself to endorse her, and given that, I was hoping he, too, would come out for Obama tomorrow. If he did, and if Al Gore joined him, it would probably mean the end of her candidacy, and we could get on with the process of kicking GOP ass so hard they’ll have to take off their shirts to shit.
But we’ll have to wait until Tuesday to see how it shakes out.
“Do you think the liberal elites are just smarter than the rabble?”
If, by “liberal elites” you mean the progressives who, for 7 years, have been fighting the good fight against bush and his policies of ruining two countries, ours and Iraq, I surely do.
And that “working men and women” demographic you’re bragging about is dicey, at best. In fact, I’d say it’s an outright fantasy.
A lot of THOSE people are fairly conservative, and a lot of then wouldn’t vote for Clinton if she was running against Jane Fonda. They’d sit it out.
Clinton’s natural base was the liberal wing of the party.
Period. Exclamation point.
She took a shit on our heads when she went triangulating after conservative votes. And now that she’s figured out (What “political savvy”!) that they simply do not exist for her, she’s horrified to find out that we can read, and that we have memories, and that we shit back.
Regarding some of the conservative pundit’s attitude toward Hillary, I almost feel sorry for them. :o)
Here they are, absolutely trapped between two things:
Their genetic instinct to beat on her;
And the fact that she’s the only chance they have to hang on to the white house and retake the House and Senate. THE. ONLY. CHANCE.
What a quandary for all the poor wingers. :o)
Clinton represents the past; Obama brings out a lot of the same enthusiasm
that I remember seeing when Jack Kennedy won, in 1960.
We aint goin’ back. Deal with it. :o)
speaking of fooled…what about Tom Daschle, the majority leader, who enabled Bush? He was one of Obama’s early supporters and a major player in Obama’s campaign. He was the Democratic Leader. It is interesting to note that Hillary, as a woman, is attacked like no man would ever be. And not enough women are standing up to voice their objections in the progressive blogs. It is outrageous. There is a double standard…and it remains..because not enough people stand up for principle and fairness. And if they can’t back one of their own..(like Hillary did with Move On) then this lack of courage will not get them very far . As it is, Paul Krugman says Obama has damaged any chances for good legislation on universal health care as a result of his false narratives.
Sure, at this point with the …. errr under the bridge types around, I understand. Best to not overthink it. Make your best choice. Wish we had more info, but we just don’t. I don’t like the thought of the brokered carnival as it leaves too much for the proprietor to decide. I perfer the tsunami to build on the wave of sc. Saw a cartoon yesterday that said “The White House is not a timeshare”…… which pretty much sums it up for me. We’ll see what tomorrow brings. Maybe more surprises in the cavelcade of the endorsements. Happy voting ;-)
I really have no idea how I will vote, my folks having left the field.
Brokering would tend to favor a wider field I think, and Edwards has the one card to play.
Hey, the freaking NY Giants slew Goliath today. So who knows?
I am so surprised that she showed up there. I had seen Maria Shriver on television before and had seen her news stories over the years. One of her books — really made a strong impression on me: http://dealstudio.com/searchde…..038;ru=279 , I think Maria’s warm heart and love show through in her writing, and I can see that she deeply cares about the whole society. Now, she endorsed Obama, I think Obama might have a big chance.
‘Body@299:
He’ll accomplish this; he’ll fire up so many democrats and independents, and I expect, some republican’s, too, that neither Diebolt nor the Supreme Court, nor John McCain (the half-senile uber-warpimp currently leading in their race) will be much of a factor.
Want some predictions?
I think that by the time mid-summer gets here, the american people will be gagging so badly on the “surge” koolaid, and on the economic shithole that bush and the goopers are making of america, that Obama will accomplish these things, too:
I think the repubs will take a look at the numbers they’re facing, and several things will happen:
I think Condoleeza Rice will bail, rather than stay the course and have to go entry-level in her return to the Groves of Academe, by cleaning the urinials at Bob Jones University. :o)
I think there’s a 50-50 chance that George Bush will become WAY more valuable to the republican congers as a sacrificial pig for a Y’all Come! voter barbecue on the white house lawn. :o)
I think that that Goldwater Swat Team will roust Cheyney out first, for “health reasons”, and then bush will go. And Dick Lugar will be the next president of the U.S. (very temporarily) What that will do to the GOP nomination process, I don’t know.
And, I don’t care. If we nominate Barack Obama, anyone running for the republican nomination will become a sacrificial goat, themselves.
How’s that for a little Nostradamus-gazing? :o)
Anybody want to take a shot? Feel free. :o)
Well sure, there’s that. But….. had the owners of the teams gotten together and awarded the victory to …. Goliath (sorry but I don’t know who played *blush*) or if the ref ruled that last miracle touchdown invalid. Just think it would be undeniable if the Giants would have had an insurmountable lead in the first inning.
Like I say. There’s two schools of thought here. I perfer drowning to begging the untrustworthy deeply intrenched loyalists of the Goliath team. Mostly because I’m weary from thinking on it ;-)
quarter…. not inning.. I mean and insurmountable lead since the first quarter. *blush*
i interrupt this debate to issue this “gentle reminder* please refrain from using sports analogies on this thread
and now lets return you to your discussion
Deeply sorry. My bad, Suz.
The reason that so many women on the progressive blogs aren’t standing up for Hillary, is that they percieve clearly what she’s like. They know that she’s jumped in and out of bed with bush and the warpimps like some kind of pernicious, power-hungry, flea.
We progressives (I’m a male) KNOW how she’s voted on such things as the war, and Kyle-Lieberman, and the flag-burning amendment.
We watched as she greeted George Bush’s lunatic flacking for the surge, with enthusiastic applause.
Which brings us right back to this.
Do you think the surge is working? :o)
wtf….. my reply only makes sense in reply to his sports reference.
Now you changed it to Truman won? I got nothing for that….. makes no sense now. sheesh.
Good luck newtonusr……. but I guess the fact that posts magically change just the way a brokered convention would is as good an answer as any…… and look how easily thaaaat happened. Now you see a post, now you don’t = brokered convention.
And I’m sorry but what the hell is up now with the sports deal. feh
Well, it was a nice attempt at a decent conversation….. goodnight.
Here’s that…zinger that MyrtleJune found:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/home.html
myrtle june – up thread, teddy asked that there be no sports verbage or comments on this thread.
I confess that I do have a real itch for that brokered convention. I can’t see any huge surprises happening, and if we end up with Omaba or Clinton, we are no worse off that if one of them won outright.
But Edwards lack of respect wrt the TradMed won’t translate there. Democrats in Denver all know him, and Dodd, and Kucinich.
I want that shot.
This is not what I wrote……. reader….. this was altered and no mod note was attached. Either say you modded my post or leave it stand but don’t do this editing stuff with no citiation. I said nothing and attacked no one.
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See…. I think the clintons are much too entrenched in the dnc to have brokered convention come out any other way than the coronation. she was spotted like 200 delegates out of the box. They have removed edwards super delegates so he’s down to 26 from 62. She’s already got 50 awarded to her in cali…… If “either” is ok with you, as you say, then that works.
Either is not okay with me so it just doesn’t work for my heart. I believe anything that returns the clintons to power insures we keep subjugating ourselves to the pubbie constructs. Plus it insures another bush run. I just need that whole phase of two family to be over. I honestly think we can take obama to the bank and get out of this rut…… but only if we do the tsunami thing. We’ll see come Wednesday :-)
:-)
Yes, I see that now. I just didn’t care for newtonusr’s post being changed when I’d already replied then I didn’t see my post. I see it now. If you want to edit posts…. at least say “this was edited” so people can know. I didn’t read all the way at the top where TeddySF said that. It was long time ago and he seems gone by now.
Thanks Tanbark :-) That’s the one! LOLOLOL So true it is.
I agree completely that a brokered convention breaks badly for the Clinton Camp.
And “either” presupposes that John McCain or Romney (Dog help us) is in the general. I’m not throwing in any towels. But McCain or Romney is unthinkable for a variety of reasons. I simply will bite down hard if the Democratic president turns out to be heinous and reflect on the alternative. It won’t make me happy, though.
A substitute was posted, and rejected. The original comment stands.
Please, Richardson has a problem keeping his hands to himself around women. We don’t need anymore distractions like that in the White House.
I’m glad Maria Shriver endorsed Obama. I recently saw a program about her father, Sargent Shriver. He was a great progressive. I think Maria is doing what she was supposed to be doing all along. I think she got a little sidetracked by Ahhnold.
boy hi-dee! i left the party too early!
thanks a lot, tanbark. you were a great voice for us lumpenproles. one thing for sure, that lily15 (a moniker i’ll not forget soon) sure helped make up my mind that i want to vote for Obama. but i will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who she may be (and gladly). McCain and Romney are poison for my people. no two ways about it.
I thought Michelle Obama knocked it out of the ballpark with her speech. Game over. Obama wins.
Then the skeletal remains of poor Maria Shriver got up on stage and brought the mood down. I’m glad for her endorsement but wish she’d spoken first and let the mood of this event end with Michelle’s incredible speech.
Thank you for restoring nu’s origianl comment. Much appreciate it. :-)
Those are the three reasons I want to see a tsunami now for Obama. I think it will carry over easily to general and maginalize mccain and romney right up front. I can’t even pretend they are serious candidates and going into the general in strong position is what I’m looking for. I don’t think we get that with hill…. there’s sure not going to be a tidal wave for her like I hope we can create for Obama. Its a great statement that SC made and wow, that would be something for all the Sooooper Tuesday states to reflect that. As a scond choice I want it to be a big one.
Again…. good luck to you and all the Edwards supporters. :-)
Not entirely related to all this, yet…
I did the ‘timewaster’ you talked about – ‘Make Your Own Album’ – and got the album title “Speech Worth Listening To” with… a picture of Barack Obama. How’s that for a coincidence?