<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: State Secrets And Lies, Part II</title>
	<atom:link href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/</link>
	<description>Firedoglake weblog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:54:48 -0600</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: questioneverything</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1248020</link>
		<dc:creator>questioneverything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1248020</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great posts, Christy, and the only attention being given the vital votes Reid is insisting on tomorrow. Between the equal distractions of the Super Bowl and Super Tuesday, not even the liberal blogs and news sites have breathed a word about the rule of law being destroyed tomorrow in the US Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d especially like to respond to Crosstimber’s comment: “You’ve encapsulated the constitutional issues which seem like they ought to be apparent to every adult American.” Ought to be, but aren’t because half the population doesn’t know what the constitution guarantees, the media doesn’t cover these “process” issues, and the public is told over and over that such things are boring. But Tom Brady’s every syllable is momentous. Sunday’s NY Times did not say word one, in news or op-ed sections, about these impending votes and the underlying issues of legality and rights. I guess Risen’s subpoena stopped any further discussion–at least until after McCain’s inauguration. America needs a cold shower. Gatorade, anyone?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts, Christy, and the only attention being given the vital votes Reid is insisting on tomorrow. Between the equal distractions of the Super Bowl and Super Tuesday, not even the liberal blogs and news sites have breathed a word about the rule of law being destroyed tomorrow in the US Senate.</p>
<p>I’d especially like to respond to Crosstimber’s comment: “You’ve encapsulated the constitutional issues which seem like they ought to be apparent to every adult American.” Ought to be, but aren’t because half the population doesn’t know what the constitution guarantees, the media doesn’t cover these “process” issues, and the public is told over and over that such things are boring. But Tom Brady’s every syllable is momentous. Sunday’s NY Times did not say word one, in news or op-ed sections, about these impending votes and the underlying issues of legality and rights. I guess Risen’s subpoena stopped any further discussion–at least until after McCain’s inauguration. America needs a cold shower. Gatorade, anyone?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247902</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247902</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;How, exactly, do we “win” by destroying the very notions on which this nation is founded?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you. Very good question. I wish to see Bush answer it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How, exactly, do we “win” by destroying the very notions on which this nation is founded?</p>
<p>Thank you. Very good question. I wish to see Bush answer it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: AngryB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247877</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247877</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Addendum the my remark.  It probably better applies to Christy’s “not so perfect world”, but the larger point was an attempt to get the politician’s attention, whatever the cause.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum the my remark.  It probably better applies to Christy’s “not so perfect world”, but the larger point was an attempt to get the politician’s attention, whatever the cause.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: AngryB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247874</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247874</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel we keep going around in circles, or what I call a closed loop situation.  We complain, have very good answers to resolve those complaints, get no appreciable response by our politicians, raise more complaints, etc, etc.  My point being is we are getting nowhere, and haven’t for the past 7 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hope and a need to “hang in there and keep trying” is said many times here and on numerous other progressive blogs.  But discouragement has started to take hold at a level that is new even to this blog.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So working on the belief that actions speak louder than words, I would to like to reintroduce a suggestion that I have made a couple of times before, on this and a few other blogs.  A country wide boycott or strike, on purchasing anything other than that which is essential.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As is so happens, having such a boycott would fit in nicely with the current economic crisis, since people have fewer dollars to spend.  But more importantly, it would affect primarily those who are making money off of other people labor.  And if the concern is that people would be laid off because demand is less, that is happening already.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since consumer spending constitutes a large percentage of GDP, a month of so of boycotting would indeed get the attention of politicians and the business world.  But most importantly, it would tell the American public that indeed, they do have power, and if wielded effectively, can have a very profound and positive effect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel we keep going around in circles, or what I call a closed loop situation.  We complain, have very good answers to resolve those complaints, get no appreciable response by our politicians, raise more complaints, etc, etc.  My point being is we are getting nowhere, and haven’t for the past 7 years.</p>
<p>Hope and a need to “hang in there and keep trying” is said many times here and on numerous other progressive blogs.  But discouragement has started to take hold at a level that is new even to this blog.</p>
<p>So working on the belief that actions speak louder than words, I would to like to reintroduce a suggestion that I have made a couple of times before, on this and a few other blogs.  A country wide boycott or strike, on purchasing anything other than that which is essential.  </p>
<p>As is so happens, having such a boycott would fit in nicely with the current economic crisis, since people have fewer dollars to spend.  But more importantly, it would affect primarily those who are making money off of other people labor.  And if the concern is that people would be laid off because demand is less, that is happening already.  </p>
<p>Since consumer spending constitutes a large percentage of GDP, a month of so of boycotting would indeed get the attention of politicians and the business world.  But most importantly, it would tell the American public that indeed, they do have power, and if wielded effectively, can have a very profound and positive effect.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: amilius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247869</link>
		<dc:creator>amilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247869</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I sincerely believe that this is the one pledge that should be asked of both Democratic candidates, and the sooner the better, ” Will you pledge to restore transparency to and shed sunlight on the choices of the executive branch to the present, the future, and, most importantly, THE  RECENT PAST?”&lt;br /&gt;
A candidate who demures from this statement should not be elected, period.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely believe that this is the one pledge that should be asked of both Democratic candidates, and the sooner the better, ” Will you pledge to restore transparency to and shed sunlight on the choices of the executive branch to the present, the future, and, most importantly, THE  RECENT PAST?”<br />
A candidate who demures from this statement should not be elected, period.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247859</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247859</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’m sorry to hear that, and i’m VERY sorry to know that i contributed to it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sometime i focus too much on the details of the argument (argument as in analysis NOT argument as in fight), and forget that people (me too!) will naturally take comments personally. it doesn’t matter much if i don’t mean it personally, when i haven’t communicated that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyway, it’s been a long time (too long) since i last said thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thank you christy! thank you for all your posts and all your work behind the scenes (about which i have no doubts, unlike some body i mentioned above).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;please, please don’t think my love of argument is any way expressing dissatisfaction - on the contrary, it’s the way i learn the best - when my perspective is questioned and i question alternative perspectives. i know that i really need to find a way to express that clearly up front, instead of explaining after i’ve already caused aggravation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…. and i don’t know if you caught my comment a few days ago… but really do hope that some day you write a book about all your experiences that you are going through now. especially the stuff you feel you can’t talk about now - maybe someday you will be able to. in any event, please take good notes now… just in case!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’m sorry to hear that, and i’m VERY sorry to know that i contributed to it.</p>
<p>sometime i focus too much on the details of the argument (argument as in analysis NOT argument as in fight), and forget that people (me too!) will naturally take comments personally. it doesn’t matter much if i don’t mean it personally, when i haven’t communicated that.</p>
<p>anyway, it’s been a long time (too long) since i last said thank you.</p>
<p>thank you christy! thank you for all your posts and all your work behind the scenes (about which i have no doubts, unlike some body i mentioned above).</p>
<p>please, please don’t think my love of argument is any way expressing dissatisfaction &#8211; on the contrary, it’s the way i learn the best &#8211; when my perspective is questioned and i question alternative perspectives. i know that i really need to find a way to express that clearly up front, instead of explaining after i’ve already caused aggravation.</p>
<p>…. and i don’t know if you caught my comment a few days ago… but really do hope that some day you write a book about all your experiences that you are going through now. especially the stuff you feel you can’t talk about now &#8211; maybe someday you will be able to. in any event, please take good notes now… just in case!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gayviewinbayview</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247811</link>
		<dc:creator>gayviewinbayview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247811</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;the government has been shielding it’s members since 1870.  they belong to a club, an elite group that is bonded by blood or by deeds.  when the public comes to grips with that then maybe we can start to heal this country and all that we have harmed along the way.  but my guess is that it’s never going to happen because below the surface it’s so ugly that most dare not face it.  from the attempted coup of 1933(i’ll add that most of the families involved with that are still running the show today)to operation northwoods and phoenix to the assassinations of jfk rfk mlk malcolm x etc.  the list goes on and on and this country always puts the past behind us to “heal the nation” as they say.  but really what they’re saying is “we will protect our members at any cost”.  there is no chance of righting this ship until the american public says “enough”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the government has been shielding it’s members since 1870.  they belong to a club, an elite group that is bonded by blood or by deeds.  when the public comes to grips with that then maybe we can start to heal this country and all that we have harmed along the way.  but my guess is that it’s never going to happen because below the surface it’s so ugly that most dare not face it.  from the attempted coup of 1933(i’ll add that most of the families involved with that are still running the show today)to operation northwoods and phoenix to the assassinations of jfk rfk mlk malcolm x etc.  the list goes on and on and this country always puts the past behind us to “heal the nation” as they say.  but really what they’re saying is “we will protect our members at any cost”.  there is no chance of righting this ship until the american public says “enough”.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247781</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247781</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Am just feeling a bit stretched thin today, I think.  Thanks, selise…one of those days where I don’t feel like I’m satisfying anyone, but running in place fast as I can.  Ya know?  *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am just feeling a bit stretched thin today, I think.  Thanks, selise…one of those days where I don’t feel like I’m satisfying anyone, but running in place fast as I can.  Ya know?  *g*</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247770</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247770</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;christy! i wasn’t expecting a fully documented thesis before nap time! lol…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;more just trying to explain why i’m not quite with you on this one… maybe i will be tomorrow. especially as i find more time to read. i don’t think the process of convincing someone (me or anyone else) usually happens in one discussion or one post… it’s a process - and i promise to try to keep an open mind. because your opinion is one i take very seriously, even when i think i disagree.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>christy! i wasn’t expecting a fully documented thesis before nap time! lol…</p>
<p>more just trying to explain why i’m not quite with you on this one… maybe i will be tomorrow. especially as i find more time to read. i don’t think the process of convincing someone (me or anyone else) usually happens in one discussion or one post… it’s a process &#8211; and i promise to try to keep an open mind. because your opinion is one i take very seriously, even when i think i disagree.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247764</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/03/state-secrets-and-lies-part-ii/#comment-1247764</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, as I’m trying to fix lunch for my family and managing a 4 year old’s temper tantrum at the moment, you’ll have to take me at my word until I can give you more.  It’s been all I could do to get posts written this morning…someone is less than happy with Momma’s constant computer time this morning.  So you’ll have to give me a little time to line out something more thoroughly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I’m trying to fix lunch for my family and managing a 4 year old’s temper tantrum at the moment, you’ll have to take me at my word until I can give you more.  It’s been all I could do to get posts written this morning…someone is less than happy with Momma’s constant computer time this morning.  So you’ll have to give me a little time to line out something more thoroughly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
