(Please welcome in the comments Pulitzer Prize winning NYT writer David Cay Johnston, author of Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense [and Stick You with the Bill] – jh)
In 1980, Ronald Reagan asked the question — "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" David Cay Johnston is asking that question again, in the wake of the "smaller government" and deregulation mania of the Reagan era. With fewer people having pension plans and health insurance, and more people in debt and filing for bankruptcy, the answer is largely — no.
But not for all. Many have flourished, and Johnston argues that in large part this has happened because the government has rewritten the rules to favor the rich, the politically connected and the politically powerful at the expense of everyone else. The government is now in the business of wealth redistribution by virtue of reaching into the pockets of the poor and the middle class (or by allowing big business to do so) and funneling money to those with the political clout to have the law written to their advantage.
Johnston uses the "big box" stores as an example of how this is happening. The common myth is that Walmart can operate more efficiently than small stores by buying in large quantities, and that’s how they can afford to offer lower prices. But as Johnston says, that’s largely a crock. They are able to operate at a profit because they charge sales tax on items, and then put it in their pockets; they also profit by cutting deals whereby they pay no property tax. It’s called "tax increment financing." The schools, the police and fired departments, the parks and civic programs that used to get that money now don’t — and worse, local businesses can’t compete against these stores subsidized by their own communities. It’s lose-lose for the locals, but big wins for some of the richest people in the world.
As Johnston points out, a small community in the Poconos gave a $36 million dollar tax break to Cabellas to build the world’s largest sporting goods store — that’s $8,000 for every man, woman and child in the community, more than the entire city budget for over a decade. The theory is that people will drive from all around to get there, bringing money into the community. Only in an age of online sales, that doesn’t really happen. He says that for the first three years that Cabellas was publicly traded, they reported profits of $222 million, but they made deals for $294 million in subsidies. They’re not in the business of selling goods, he argues — they’re in the business of soaking the public. They’re not increasing the pie, not competing in the market — they’re looking to the government to reach into your pocket and make them rich.
Johnston also says, amusingly enough, that such tax swindles are responsible for two-thirds of George W. Bush’s wealth, Mr. "lower taxes" himself. By getting a half cent sales tax increase to build a stadium for the Texas Rangers, which they were then able to buy at far less than cost, the value of the team when it sold which put the money in Bush’s pocket was largely the value of the stadium. He owes his fortune to corporate welfare.
What’s the solution? Well, it’s not going to stop until people in their communities start balking and refusing to subsidize their own demise. He also thinks (unsurprisingly) that the political donor class has undue influence over how laws get made, which allow lobbyists to sit there and analyze every bill for ways to slip stuff in at every juncture in ways that the public does not understand until the thievery becomes manifest.
Since the Supreme Court has shown open hostility to campaign finance reform, Johnston sees one potential solution as having the government pay every expense of our elected officials (mailers, golf trips, plane fare, etc.) such that lobbyists aren’t the ones doing it, and favors aren’t owed in return. As someone who sees primary challenges as one of the key ways we change the balance of entrenched political power in DC I have to wonder if this won’t serve to exacerbate the advantage incumbents already have, but it is something that’s worth thinking about.
Please welcome David Cay Johnston in the comments.
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Hi David and Jane!
Hi folks
David welcome to the Lake.
The esteemed David Cay Johnston of the NYTimes…*g* (means grin)
Well opinions vary, some people think I am a public enemy
Hi, David. And welcome. Good to cross paths again, I think we swapped books a few years ago when we crossed wires in the confusion you must often get with the other NYT David Johnston (and for those who have followed the other DJ’s work here during Plame, this is in fact another writer).
Jane, thanks for having me here. And my similarly named pal, he worked with you in San Francisco (where I was born) so long ago, when I was also there but with the LATimes…
WalMart, I am led to believe, takes out (secretly) life insurance on some employees and then collects the benefits after these employees pass away. Care to comment?
so any questions?
David, What was the motivation that pushed you to write this book now?
I’d like to hear you talk about the way you link the increase in gang violence to these tax deals.
Kiddo, I am nor certain that Wal-Mart does this, but many corporations have been engaged in creating dead pools, as they are known. This was, like many issues today, also an issue long ago in our country’s history. Companies buy life insurance on their workers not as a benefit to the worker, but to benefit the company when they die. Easy to stop this practice, too, by simply defining under law that having an “insurable interest” in another person does not include employment unlness that person is a key executive. Others would argue that it is none of the government’s business who a compay buys life insurance on and so long as no one is killing people to collect….
is the Chamber of Commerce a front for these TIF schemes. If so, how can we progressives fight back?
I ran for mayor when I was 19 (as a write in candidate). The one “big” issue then was having a Shopko come to town. (Sort of a precursor of the WalMart battles today.) The current mayor wanted to encourage them to come and give them a tax break. The other guy running wanted to encourage them to come because it would bring in more jobs and income. I said, let them decide whether to come to town or not – if they figured they would make a profit, they would come whether we “invited them” or not. They would find someone that would sell them the land they needed if they dangled enough cash out there.
Our downtown was already turning into a ghost town after “the mall” was built about five years before this. Shopko built across the road from the mall, with a tax break (I got 92 votes after campaigning for one week).
10 years ago, WalMart came to town, built an addition to the mall for their store, and now every other store in the mall, and Shopko, are struggling because of it.
First why now — always a good question. I had done enough research that I felt I was done.I always intended Perfectly Legal, which came out four years ago, to be the first in a series on the American economy as it really operates, not as our myths (in the classic sense of that word) say it does. And at my age, I just tuned 59, I am aware that the clock is ticking….
All politics is local. WalMart and other big-box stores many times get huge tax breaks if they agree to build an enterprise in a particular area. Who’s to blame? Local politicians? Ourselves? Or both?
Please forgive me because I haven’t read your book yet but how and are the eminent domain supreme court decision and the corporate welfare giveaway connected?
This has been a big issue here in Phoenix…. the very stadium many will be watching in a few minutes…. multiple malls and our own Cabellas not far from the stadium.
You don’t look a day over 45.
*g*
falling behind here…but on Jane;s question:
When I was a boy in California I could get on my bike and go to a half dozen places – the Y, the high school, several parks, the city pool called the plunge – and there were young men and women paid to keep us busy ad out of trouble. That is much diminished.
Why?
Because we have diverted so much money from municipal youth programs to police — and yet about one in eight police patrol officers is basically chasing down false burglar alarms.
Idle hands are the devil’s workshop is not a radical new idea. And nature abhors a vacuum so we get gangs to fill that vacuum.
Bush’s Texas Rangers stadium also benefitted from eminent domain — that’s how they got the land.
David, thank you for this book and your work – and jane, thanks for hosting.
David, I’m ebarassed to say that finishing your excellent book has been difficult: what I’m learning makes me so angry I have to take a break.
I hope you’ll forgive me if this question is answered in your book -
What are the two (or three) most expensive subsidies in terms of direct tax expenditure? If we factor in indirect costs for subsidized environmental destruction (from welfare ranching or forestry or mining, for example) would that change the rank order of the most expensive subsidies?
I donlt think local chambers of commerce are front for the TIF or sales/property tax schemes. Indeed, I think most small business owners do not grasp what is being done to them so I hope a lot of them read Free Lunch.
This also seems to jibe with Thomas Frank’s What the Matter with Kansas...
Eminent domain is a crucial issue. We have to have it because sometimes we need a military base or a school or even a water treatment plant. But the idea that you can circumvent the market just because you covet someone else’s land and can use your influence to invoke eminent domain as George Bush did ought to give pause to people.
Biodun, you are right, You cannot outsource your duty to be a citizen. The people getting rich on government are pouring money into their efforts.
Welcome, David. The President has made a big issue out of “earmarks,” but I’m wondering how the level of “legal” thievery you’ve described compares to the total from so-called earmarks.
(I’m also embarrassed by my appalling typing)
Getting angry is a natural response to both Perfctly Legal and Free Lunch. One man, an eminent retired government economics expert, sent me a prescription his doc wrote that said:
No More Than 19 Pages of Johnston per day or I will up your blood pressure medicine…
Same deal at the Gray Lady with the Patrick Healeys…*g*
Oh and if I didn’t say it in the prologue, I loved the book. It was a real eye-opener in terms of how the system works. It took a lot of bits and pieces of information that you already knew and fit them into a comprehensive picture. It made the job ahead of us all, and what we are struggling against as we watch the middle class disappear, much clearer.
Great book, David. I highly recommend it.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/02…..-johnston/
Here in the Savannah area a large area was clear-cut and bulldozed because the town fathers assured us in 2003 that a major auto maker would build a factory here. Not so much. All sorts of tax breaks were promised. Our public transit sucks, we have nothing for kids to do after school, etc., etc., etc.
Earmarks are oart of the problem and they have really gotten out of hand. But the most salient issues involve gifts of public money to corporations. It is one thing to give to someone who is disabled, too ol to work, sick or destitute. But to Wal-Mart, controlled by the richest family in America? To Billionaires?
Interesting….. AZ passed an eminent domain ballot measure based on the Oregon one that passed in 2004 which has about $26 billion claims against the state and a court case winding through the state.
Cities are folding here when challenged due to that ballot measure. Pretty much being held hostage or let them build what they want.
It works like this…. builder wants to build 200 homes on X land… zoning board says no, not enough water, too many homes but can build 100 homes….. builder files claim against their loss of the value of the 100 homes against that government entity. Seems to be a different flavor of extortion.
Patrick Healys…
Marion,
Corporations have learned to play a very lucrative game — pit cities against each other for investments. That they get cities to do this at the retail level is economic insanity because retail doe snot create jobs, it just moves them around,
Typically, big-box stores pay low wages without providing benefits to it’s employees. And these types of stores many times win windfall tax bennies to locate to a particular community. Who, if anyone, benefits from these questionable transactions (aside from corporate, obviously)?
Thank you for that answer. It’s a competition and corporations allways win.
Oh Lord, don’t Kiddo started on that.
L.
There is a lawsuit going on now over a luxury mall project whose developers stand to collect close to $100m of sales tax as a subsidy and what is the position of the City if Phoenix — that the challengers to this have no right to be heard in court. That is what Chief Justice Roberts also told the people of Toledo who are being taxed to give money to Chrysler, a story I tel in Free Lunch
Jim Clausen,
o, corporations do not always win.
If they did we wold be eating the kind of rotted meat that Upton Sinclair exposed and not have clean water or wage and our laws.
But people have to be involved. They have to stand up. Unforunately, we have some court rulings that say you can be fired fromy our job for wearing a button that names a candidate for office.
As an employer (my oldest son and I have a very very small hotel management business) I would never impose such rules. But if the laws says oyu can then many will….
Should property rights ever be exalted over Constitutional rights of citizenship?
Oh come on, kiddo. Go there.
Are the WalMarts of this nation going to pay for this? I don’t think so.
AP – In the nation’s first-ever $3 trillion budget, President Bush seeks to seal his legacy of promoting a strong defense to fight terrorism and tax cuts to spur the economy. Democrats, who control Congress, are pledging fierce opposition to Bush’s final spending plan — perhaps even until the next president takes office.
Hello David. Welcome. I apologize I have not read your book. I appreciate the subject you tackle.
Did you cite the small town of Hercules, CA and their refusing to allow Wal-Mart to build? The town council used eminent domain to wrest several acres from Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart, being on the other side of eminent domain, called this legalized extortion. Can you comment on this case?
The big boxes really drag a place down. Not to mention they are eye sores.
Kiddo,
If people understood what TIF really is I think it would be stopped quickly. But the news media has done a lousy job of covering this overall, despite some superb local coverage here and there.
One trend that works against protecting the pockets of taxpayers is the idea that journalists should just meekly regurgitate what they re told, be stenographers instead of asking tough questions, pressing for answers.
I also thought your discussion of how the privatization of energy companies, pushed in large part by Enron, was interesting — especially with regard to how it was creating strange bedfellows among auto makers and ralph reed, with everybody suffering due to increased energy prices.
Can you talk about that a bit?
Ha!
My internist may be staging an intervention.
In all seriousness, I so respect the care and – well – tenderness with which you describe Bandon and the Oregon Coast..and the lives of those who grew up in resource-based economies now transformed (and often eliminated) by outside forces. Your descriptions track exactly with what I’ve heard from locals there over the last twenty-five years.
I hope I’m not perseverating, but if I expand the question about net subsidy costs to include all indirect costs (not only environmental) is it possible to identify the two or three most costly Federal subsidy programs?
If this question is simply off point (or perhaps incalcuable) – or simply ignorant of your book’s full content, I do apologize.
(I fear at 19 pgs a day I may take a while to find the answer for myself)
QGrl,
I have only read news reports on the Hercules situation in the Bay Area, but generally the market ought to decide what kind of stores we have. If big box retailers are the most efficient then they are going to win out for better or worse,
But commercial activity is governed by rules and those rules can be set to favor, oppose or be neutral to various developments. A half century ago there were just a handfl of malls and we had vibrant downtowns. Now we have alls where no political activity is allowed and downtowns are mostly ghost towns, especially after 5 PM.
What rules do we want and for what reasons are key issues people need to think about.
David, can you describe the story of how those involved in supposedly non-profit HMOs got rich going private during the Reagan era? What were the key elements of that scheme?
This is from the amazon.com link of your book:
Since health-care and insurance are big issues in this election cycle, can you enlighten us about whose health plan is better for people in poverty–Hill or Obama’s?
Jane,
Well first and foremost people should understand that corporate-owned electricity costs a lot more than public power that is generated and sold by government, cooperatives and the like. I just saw a study of what high schools pay — and that means what taxpayers pay — for power in Massachusetts and for schools powered by private corporate electricity is about 2x what those with municipal power pay.
What Enron did was draft laws that, I show, drive up the price of electricity by creating “markets” which are not really markets at all. As Lincoln supposedly said about a cow;’ tail…..
As someone in charge of a poodle caravan that can’t really fly, I’ve made several cross-country trips in recent years and one of the most depressing spectacles is how small towns have been robbed of their character and every community plays home to the same mall with a Staples, a Bed Bath & Beyond, a Dress Barn and a Radio Shack. As if it isn’t depressing enough to see these communities having their livelihoods and financial viability drained away, they have to watch themselves lose all identity in the process.
It’s really disheartening.
On Bandon Dunes, this is an important example because the guy who built it is a model of what we expect an entrepreneur to be. He did come asking for handouts. But his advisers started soliciting them. and the biggest one he gets is available just because he is in a lucrative place, just standing there.
That is the real outrage — that we have subsjdies that are built right into the scaffolding of the economy and for what — for golf?
It all began in fall of 1988, when William O. DeWitt Jr., Bush’s partner in a Texas oil-and-gas exploration company called Spectrum 7, called to let him know that Eddie Chiles, the owner of the Texas Rangers, was looking for a buyer.
Wow. What a cool book!
On health care, I do not talk about the campaigns because plenty of good reporters cover what politicians say, I cover what the government has done, which very few cover and even fewer cover with any enterprise.
But ask yourself this — why do we always hear about health INSURANCE?
Does anyone propose kindergarten insurance? Lifeguard insurance? Police insurance?
Why donlt we talk about this as a public service?
And since Corporate America has shown that we can learn how ot pay people properly — which in economic theory means just enough to cover their value and keep them – then there is no reason we cannot do the same with doctors.
Maximizing return on capital is the right standard for caring for capital, but not people;s health.
The fact the corporate jet subsidy “drives” aircraft carbon gas pollution (which has a disproportionate impact in driving climate change) makes this subidized suicide.
Really burns one up.
David,
Not having read your book, I apologize if you answer this there:
Do you know of academic (or at least credible) studies showing
the cost benefit ratio of tax expenditures (for sports facilities, IDA, car plants, etc.)?
Right wingers are always saying that environmental regs have to be cost benefited.
On the bix box stores –
try this little experiment, Go get a meal at one of the chain restaurants that are ubiquitous. Then go the next time to a local place. My guess is you will pay half as much for food just as good or better.
Many of these national chains are not really efficient. What they have is advertising power…you know the name or the logo and so you go because they are predictable.
What you’re describing is one of the things that has me re-reading William Least Heat Moon’s Blue Highways every 2 or 3 years. Just to remember…
Allan,’The answers are in my book. 100% of the profits of the baseballl, basketball, football and hickey teams come from subsidies. In fact without these susbsdies they would lose $1 m a day at the operating profit level and thus more at the net profit level, though some individual teams are profitable.
And they raise prices because they are exempt from the laws of competition, unlike, say, Britain which has a free market in soccer and as a result 13 teams in London which charge lower tickets prices…
We are getting majorly ripped off by these tax windfall sweetheart deals to big business. And we are going to see gasoline prices spike significantly this coming spring.
Ding!
Given that greater than 50% of health claims are already paid by public entities (Medicare/Medicaid/CHAMPUS) and that Medicare’s HCFA sets the fee schedules the private carriers use to
paycost the calims they don’t pay, we may be able to let the public sector figure out the appropriate value for physicians’ (subsidized) work.DAMN! Talk about re-formatting a discussion of an issue! I’m gonna have to start using that… “Police insurance.” Wow…
Dr, Murphy,
We willalways have subsidies. You and I pay taxes to educate the children of others just as people we neber met paid to educate us, That is a form of transgenerational transfer.
But why would we give money to corporations? How many hours are you willing to work to provide free labor to Tyco and GE and Honeywell? I am not willing to work a single hour for them except when I buy their products.
Thanks for that adroit answer. Of course as soon as I posted that question I realized I made a boubou…I was asking that you answer that as an author, forgetting that you’re a reporter…duh…
Are we better off? Ask the folks drowning in credit card debt. Or the people about to have their homes forclosed. Or the car repo’d.
Keep in mind, Marion, that profits are crucial and so is savings. Unless and until we come up with a new and better econnomics we have market capitalism –well, actually we have a perversion of it that has grown much worse in the past three decades.
And subsidies encourage brash adventurers, not people who husband their resources wisely.
And how in the world are working people supposed to save money these days?
David, thanks for reframing the question away from subsidies and on to the goal/outcome of same.
[PS - and please don’t bother about my title - I’d forgotten to reset my profile from a post here yesterday.]
So if these rip off schemes are not hidden and are actually done right out in the open… why is there no serious push back?
Why no tax payers revolt? Why no laws prohibiting these abuses and fraud?
Why no class action suits?
Why are we letting this happen again and again and again and again? Why?
Debt is a key issue.
I spent five days in The Netherlands in November, were I spoke to journalists and taught interviewing skills and such. I sat down two dozen of them to talk about their economy. This is what I learned:
They had no debt or very little.
Thy had savings — lots of savings.
They rented, lived with extended family or owned their homes outright,
They think Americans are crazy to be in debt, not just for pizzas they ate 5 years ago and have paid for twice with interest, but for cars and even homes.
In short, they are in an individual level a lot more capitalistic than we are.
Look. We’re spending $15,000,000,000 per month on an unwinnable war. That’s per month folks.
Un regulated capitalism is taking us down as a few yacht off to the tropics.
David,
The debt thing was foisted on us with the invention of the credit card. It allowed people to buy now and pay later and for banks to develop a new revenue stream.
Another means for banks to rip people off.
Sander, that is a great question
The answer is that people do not know.
First of all,too many have quit paying serious attention to the news. Much more fun to watch the follies of Britney and Paris and to speculate about who will win American Idol…
Second the news media has become corporatized and homogenized. For all their faults, indiidual publishers who owned their papers did is better than giant chains determined to publish newspapers that offend no one —
And small merchants, they are getting taken by their own associations, which hide from them vital news because they are in bed with the big corporations in lobbying/logrolling
And they are not cutting taxes, increasing spending and outlaying $15,000,000,000 a month on wars. All at the same time.
Everyone is told they MUST own a home and that having credit… is a good thing and that means you can hold debt and so borrow away. Businesses do it. To not have debt is unamerican.
On the open checkbook for the American war of liberation in Iraq…..
1. see how much an all-volunteer army costs? A draft imposes a brake on going to war, especially a draft like we had in the 1950s when 2/3rds of the graduating class at Princeton was put in uniform.
2. in early drafts of his farewell speech, Ike warned about something much more accurate than what he said. He warned about the military-congressional-industrial complex that would force us into endless spending to prop up the military contractors, who now have plants in evert district
We had some popular people like Nadar screaming about corporate corruption. I screw no one listens. But what about Nadar and some of the other organizations who are watching this? Why don’t they sue?
I don’t owe anyone a dime.
Your book has a lot of interesting parallels with Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine, where she talks about the international implications of rigged markets. I wonder if you’ve read it or been conscious that your book is being released into an environment already given much shape by hers.
BTWm you did not get a tax cut. What you get was an advance of cash on the governments credit card that you will pay with interest. The averge income of Americans in 2005 was smaller, when adjusted for inflation and population size, than in 2000….the tax cuts were all financed with borrowing,.
David you have taken off the emperor’s clothes.
We need to spread your book around like a virus so that every taxpayer can read it and understand that they have been robbed and are being robbed every day by corporations.
Jane,
I did not know about her book when I was writing mine but I did know that Jonathan Chait was working on The Big Con….He reviewedFree Lunch in the UT today and in two weeks my letter about that is running in th NUYT book review.
But I think that people are beginning to ask themselves — the economy keeps growing, as the President and the networks remind us every day, so what the hell happened to my checkbook?
I don’t think 99.9% of Americans understand how a banks works and that it is charted to engage in fractional lending… lending money that it doesn’t have.
All banks are completely insolvent! Every last one of them.
I wonder if it’s more capitalistic or less advertising-driven. I’ve fought for years, generally successfully, against the “keep up with the Joneses” that seems to motivate almost everyone else I know. Which means my only debt is my mortgage and right now to the dentist who’s busy rebuilding my mouth. (Bad genes suck!) Are folks in the EU inundated with the contstant “BUY BUY BUY BUY” messages that we get? And if they are, how do they avoid falling into that pit?
Yo folks. I think it safe to say that “trickle down” has stopped.
Sander,
Well the key thing I want is to get people to actually read FL for three reasons (beyoind making a living)
1. It will chang how you understand the news and reports that were boring will come into sharp focus
2. It will get people thunking about how government is central to their lives, not just their economic status, but to their liberties.
3. If enough people read it then the politicians will be able to deal with real issue instead of the faux issues that are diverting us from policies that will maintain our society, educate the young, create more civilized behavior and allow the human spirit to flourish without so much polarizing contention.
Capitalism is a word used to describe any body’s theory on economics. Ask what is the premise of capitalism and you get dozens of different answers. If you publish a book on your theory/ideology you get that ideology named after you. Some are more generalized and come out a common observation like “consumer capitalism”.
Adam Smith wasn’t famous for his Wealth of Nations. Even he thought it was too flawed. He was famous for his Theory of Moral Sentiments which was his ethical, theory and psychology for his Wealth of Nations. His theory could only work if “benevolence” was central.
Well, that is not the capitalism we have today. Capitalism today is degenerate. I have no problem stating I dislike capitalism and I can imagine another system of trade. One of my favorite Adam Smith quotes is: The primary purpose of a company is to serve the community!
I feel like a frog in an overheated pond slowly cooking to death and I won’t jump out to save myself. New theories of economic needs to come from the people. It won’t happen any other way.
David you were super on DemocracyNow! with Amy Goodman. She has a very wide audience. We will spread your word. I saw the book prominently featured at Barnes & nobles in a mall in NJ yesterday.
Do you think that the congress critters are aware of our deep and widespread the abuse by corporations and the financial sector actually is? Or do they think it is the Bad Apples thing which comes around every once in a while?
What’s the UT?
Kiddo,
Trickle down, thought up by opponents of Reagan is entirely the wrong image.
Better: Amazon up because that is where the greenbacks are flowing and goverment olicy is driving the torrent of cash to the top
David, thanks for shining the spotlight on the term Wellpoint used to describe the perecentage of subscriber permiums paid out as medical claims:
medical loss ratio.
What’s really disgusting in my view is that the Clintons have become very rich since Bill left office. Why is that? I wonder.
Jane,
UT is a typo. NYT
Exactly.
I’ll buy the book read it and send to anyone at the Lake who wants it when I am done.
Kiddo,
I donlt fault people who make their money in he market if it is a market. I would like to know if the Clinton books sold anywhere near enough to justify their advances. Recall how the news media got on some conservative politicians who got outsize advances, as well as on Jim Wright,the former Texas speaker who was a Texas Dem.
Okay, found it. What a load of horseshit.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02…..ei=5087
“Naderite?” It’s only extremist left-wingers who are out of touch with the mainstream of the Democratic party who are tired of getting ripped off by corporate welfare?
Well, as usual. A bunch of smug, self-congratulatory crap.
SanderO, what a great offer! I’m thinking SnarKassandra, as a surprise for her. She’ll probably wind up running for office once she gets out of school!
Quaker Girl,
I read every word Adam Smith wrote at leas twice before I wrote Free Lunch. You are quite riht that Moral Sntiments is the more powerful work.
But so many policies have been adopted in his name by politicians who know nothing more than the pins story, if that. They certainly do not undersrtand his view that business people engage in conspiracies to raise prices and try to get government to puts thumb on th scale on their behalf…..
Dear David,
Re:
I’ve been reading your book. Public enema might be what they actually are saying under their breaths…
At least I see your work as a wonderful emetic compared with the robustly ridiculous rantings of the Right.
Oh, and thanks for the astonishing clarity and forthrightness of your powerful j’accuse! If only we had candidates of your stature.. Oh, never mind. That America is apparently lost to history.
Best regards, Ray Duray, Bend, OR
excuse me if it is a repeat:
how is it that they charge sales tax then pocket it?
Money rules and those at the top make obscene amounts for what they pass of as “work”. Giving a speech for $50K?
Why do these people hoard the money that they make so easily?
How many learjets can you fly in at once?
We worship winning A and competition and refer to the fact that competition is good for consumers. Yes and no. Competition creates losers… lots of them for every winner. Since winning is everything, we now have a system where the ends justify the means… cheating, corruption, cronyism are virtually legitimate strategies. And.. if you don’t get caught it’s as if you didn’t do anything wrong.
No accountability even WHEN you get caught.
Jane,My beef with Chait is not with his opinions, I have had more than 100 reviews of my books and have only complained about two.
Chait goes off on a riff that has nothing to do with my book and he wrongly ties me with a faction of the Dems, which is bizarre sine I am registered in the other party, and asserts I hate corporations when I am funding chairman of one (albeit it small right now) ad says I regard deregulation as evil when I say there is no such thing, only new regulation and…. you hve ot gt your facts straight. I show how to reduce litigation, which I abbor and say so in the book, and he says I want to promote it as social policy, This is a good example of what is wrong with so much inside-the-beltway writing, it ignores real issues…
David — one of the stories in Free Lunch describes the complicity between accounting firms and corporations, with the accounting firm auditors agreeing to sign off on suspect behavior (e.g., the 30-day stock option valuation) in exchange for higher accounting fees. How widespread do you think this practice is — and how do we deal with it?
Yeah that’s what I meant with the self-congratulatory crap part — just like Matt Bai, he writes about his own beefs, and appends them onto whatever he is tasked to address.
Did he even read the book? From the looks of the review — you really couldn’t tell.
Peter I have to stiop laughing at Mr, Drurys comment….OK, I am up off the floor,…
technically they do not keep it, it gets handed to a government entity, which then uses it toi pay for bnds and interest on the borrowed money which is used to buy the land and build the store which is then leased to the corporation for next to nada…
which means the store gets to keep the salestax after it takes a trip through the hands of lawyers, accountants, bond sellers and others who live off the crumbs that fall from he golden cake made from the taxpayers’ money
Scarecrow,You ask about a realy important issuem, one that can literaly drive us into a revolution if we do not deal with it…..more tk
Ray does have a way with words.
;)
Arthur Anderson went out of business because of it.. one of the top 7 firms.
we have had a reak moral breakdown in the legal and accounting professions, which I have written about again and again.
I am troubled that not one other journalist has written about the points I made in Perfectly Legal and reiterate in Free Lunch at the end about how LLPs and LLCs create incentives to look the other way at misconduct. The technical and professional literature has some coverge of this.
But nothing will ruin the greatness and benefits of America faster than having the people who write the rules (lawyers) and the pople who add up and attribute costs and benefits (the accountants) have incentives to look the other way rather than be PROFESSIONALS.
Bill Clinton has made huge money (multi millions) through his relationships with Ron Burkle and his plane ride recently with his Canadian mining financier and pal, Frank Giustra about uranium in Kazakhstan.
David, I’m trying to get my non-economic mind around the concept that – as trading is a zero-sum game – the risk from extremely leveraged trading acts as economic pollution.
(if the concept is mangled here, I apoogize for the misdescription.)
Does the concept of risk as economic pollution describe the global liquidity crisis arising from the sub-prime lending scam, or have I missed the point?
Then which is more on the money? “Wealth of Nations” or “Das Kapital”?
Sandr.
And today we have just four big firms.
That s not enough, We should have many firms,
I have had accounting firm executives tell me that there is just not enough money to auditing the books to sustain them,. Well, if that is true than we should throw in the towel on market economics. What tey realy mean is tat they cannot charge above market fees and live lifestyles not supported by their contribution to the economy if they cannot engage in actions that undermine he economy, cheat investors and therwise do damage ans for which they demand to get supra-compensation
The fact is that the old partnership system was self-regulation at its best because each partner was individually liable for the misconduct of every other partner ad that meant self-policing…..and that is minimalist regulation which works best.
Yes, but the Supreme Court’s decisions have done much to undermine the ability of shareholders to police misbehavior by their corporations. We live in an age of seriously degraded accountability. But to reclaim what we’ve lost, we first have to understand how the greedy pulled it off, which is why David’s book is some important. Know your enemy.
Have you noticed how gasoline today is generic?
Kirk,
When a company spews toxics through a smokestack or a drain into the river we call that pollution. In economic terms we mean that instead of covering the full costs of production by paying the costs to clean up their mess, the company just dumps the mess on the rest of us and we pay in the form of dirty air, cancers, etc.
When we have a company that does not earn its way, but instead sloughs costs off onto the taxpayers the result is the some, but instead of cancer we get gangs (the burglar alarm industry) and instead of a vibrant entertainment community with nightclubs and video arcades, etc., we get sports teams that charge higher-than-market prices.
When an employer hires people for dangerous work, say roofing, and they get hurt the employer pays the costs through higher workers compensation ins, premiums. But if the roofer says he has 35 secretaries (cheap to insure)and one roofer and one of his 35 roofers falls and gets hurt then you and I and the competition pay for his economic pollution,
David –
What do you suggest we do? I’ve read until my eyeballs have bulged out. I’ve carefully observed people’s buying patterns and retailers hypnotic presentations. I spent many years in business because believe it or not, I really believe in business as a way to liberate ourselves from the man’s bondage (bossman, that is).
I’ve talked to groups of women interested in going into business or improving their position in a corporation. I am stumped. I cannot count on change coming from those sucking the life out of the people. So, what do you suggest we do?
Our Supreme Court has done bizarre thingsm as I show in Free Lunch. Read about my brief examination of the issue of wether a man who was convicted of murder should be out to death if a videotape show sup proving he is actually innocent — Texas said yes to respect the sanctity of jury verdicts and the court said nothing…..
SCOTUS ruled that a petty thief who stole 9 kid’s videotapes so he could give his kids presents could serve 50 years, but people who steal hundreds of millions often have nothing happen to them….except that they get to keep the money,
I hope you all read my section on the meaning of the Constitution, indeed I wish there was a way to get every high school kid in America to have to read it ad spend a few days debating it.
seems to be STO for the NYTBR.
At least when it come to books with
a liberal/progressive bent.
Only books by real scholars like Jonah Goldberg get treated half-respectfully.
Wow – thank you, David.
So risk pollution and environmental pollution are simply subsets of the set externalized costs?
Kiddo,
The last chapter of my book is WHAT TO DO.
Ciritcs have said it is weak or naive. Maybe so.
But in two pages I lay out a reform based on the Constitution that gets away from the failed campaign finance reform efforts and I end my book with the same words that I ended Perfectly Legal with:
Reform begins with you.
If you want in a democracy to have a government that represents our interest than you have to be interested in government. When the politicians — who lwas have a wet finger to the wind — realize that enough people understand the HOW of their pockets being picked things will begin to change,
Kirk,Yes, hey are different ways of looking at the sam thing,
But economic pollution is subtle. It is like MTBA or whatever it was that leaked into the ground from gasoline tanks…it is not like smoke. And of course a lot of people get paid well to come up ith way of oncleain its effects and hiding its existence.
On the review, I do not see any foul motives, OK?
And when I complained I got a gracious response.
Authors have no right to gripe about judgments about their works — that is what critics are for and I have written some really really harsh reviews of books I felt deserved it. But authors are entitled to have a review e about their book and not extraneous material.
BTW, please donlt assume my book is liberal/progressive. Throughout I cite as my moral authorities Adam Smith, a darling of people who say they are economic conservatives, the Bible and Andrew Mellon, not exacty a darling if lefties.
Reason gave me a very positive play.
The book is NOT ideological, but rather investigative.
Some critics have complained that I keep writing about how the rich are getting richer. Well, if the facts were that he poor were using their voting numbers to soak the rich I would write about that. You write about the facts and go where they take you.
When I was covering the LAPD in 1980-82 all sorts of people called me anti-police (egged on by the chief Daryl Gates), but my sources included many of the bes cops in the city and they thought my work was pro-police because it dealt with real problems and issues…
Mr. Johnston, thanks for staying with us and answering so many questions so clearly. One of the first things I do after I feed Mr. Marion in Savannah (and me) dinner is order your book. Thanks again.
The recent treatment of your book, and Paul Krugman’s,
contrasts nicely with the puff-jobs on Jonah Goldberg’s and Lee Siegel’s books.
Readers have a right to expect better judgment in whom
is chosen to review what.
QuakerGirl,
Most people are followers, not leaders. Most cops never become sergeants, most teachers do not become principals or eve vice principals….
That means it matters a lot that people have the knowledge to choose their leaders wisely.
That is so true. It works. Your partner was looking over your shoulder and you his. The consequences of dishonesty carried dire punishment. That change when you incorporate your business. Every business attorney advised me to incorporate rather than have a partnership. And, finally there was one – me. I still incorporated so I was protected. I was always aware how I had to self-regulate my ethical behavior. It paid off. Clients trusted me. I noticed the business that grew faster were those who played dirty. Their loyalty was to their own purse. In the end, Ronald Reagan was successful in his mission to destroy small businesses.
Well, I thank the Marions.
And after you have read Free unch, and if you find it worthy, I hope you will take some of oyur time to contact oters and urge them to read the book.
I may be wrong, but I belief that if enough people read Free Lunch it will change our nation for the better.
And Jane, when you get a chance ring me, My numbers are at davidcayjohnston.com
Ian had a great post here on negative externalities. It was interesting for me at least to see goods thus produced as essentially subsidized and overproduced relative to demand because their true costs (i.e., pollution) are not factored in to their price.
And much as I have enjoyed this I hope we are near the end as my fingers are really missing the keys….unch/Lunch and other typos cited as proof
Will do, David. So good to have you here today.
David, thank you for your time, your book, and for the education you’ve provided today.
Jane,
Yes Ian used the proper nomenclature for economists.
Here is economics in one paragraph:
Economics is like water, everything tends to move to a level. Prices rise and demand or purchases decline, Prices fal and they rise. How much they rise or fall depends on how much we need a product so gasoline goes up and we need to go to work and we pay for it by shorting something less crucial. But unless someone is handcuffing the invisible hand of the market, prices will fall to just the level needed to keep suppliers in business. Tolearn how to handcuff an invisible hand read FREE LUNCH.
Wasn’t that precisely what it used to be back in the 1800’s. The Pinkertons and other “City” Police Departments were actually, along with Fire Departments, pretty much private firms that offered protection to those that paid. It resulted in a sort of gang warfare situation with lots of extortion and threats that if one didn’t “buy protection”…well who kinows what might happen (i.e. arson).
Eventually everything was stabilized and centralized during the Progressive Era when a common property tax was utilized to pay for services.
It seems that in many respects these Sports owners and many other groups use the same threats that once occurred back in the pre-Progressive Era days.
Where I live there has been some push-back. Some communities have resisted the call to make tax concessions and zoning changes for chain stores. The efforts by the Sacramento Kings ownership to obtain a new Arena in which they not only controlled commercial sales in the Arena, but in a vast zone of redeveloped land allocated for housing, commercial lots, and hotels surrounding it was vigorously rejected by the voters. The Kings had threatened to move repeatedly if the Referendum didn’t pass…it failed, the whole threat was a bluff, it appears.
I think that Portland voters did the same thing. So I think that there is now some recognition and signalling that such grovelling is hardly beneficial to the city in the long run, except to certain sectors.
The Kings still haven’t paid off several loans made on their first Arena (or land sold for $1)…and although the owners assert they have lost money almost every year (despite having full houses), the VALUE of the team has likely tripled. So in reality they haven’t lost money. I tell people it’s like buying a rare gemstone that appreciates in value and then paying for the museum case and security needed to protect it. Eventually you will make your investment many times over.
Thanks for coming, David. Great book and discussion.
last one, yes, Marion, and in Free Lunch I also tell how we had that model for fire insurance, why it didn’t work and how that relates to our having commercial insurers in health care…
One of my secret sneaky plans was to give it to someone I work with after I’m done with it…
LOL! Good warning:) I’ve no medicine so I’d best self prescribe fewer pages a day.
Thank you so much David. You remind all of us of our responsibilities to make this a thriving society instead of a society divided into haves-and-have-nots. To quote John Edwards, We are better than that.
Thanks to all of you for such good questions.
I hope I did the right thing — I clicked on the “buy from Amazon” button on the right under the photograph of David’s book. That does earn FDL a penny or two, right? (I got 2 copies — one for me, one to send around…)
David Thank you for coming to the Lake and spending some time.
Just back from dinner. Another mind boggling book salon. Thanks to David and Jane.
Read on and pass the book along to a friend.
Of course, we could just stop buying crap.
OK i’m buying!!!
Hello Mr Johnston . Glad to see you come out with this. Hard to keep up with the leeches,freeloaders and legal thieves , It’s a full time job . Having been enthralled by ” Perfectly Legal”, I will definitely read this . We’ve been having the Wal-Mart (2nd store) debate here in Broome Co. NY, over the last year. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people brainwashed by the Wal-Mart pr , and the usual “It brings in jobs/ increases the tax base .” line of bs . Maybe your book will be useful .
I think the first I heard of “dead peasant” insurance was in conjunction with W-M.
Btw , there’s a good segment on an alternative , here http://hotzone.yahoo.com/ . It’s in Part 5, of the “Independent America ” series . Just click on any video , and after the video player comes up , scroll back , on the videos below .