Thers!

Zed

Wow, three zeds in a row!

Thers, you have a very warped mind. More please?

Thers! is this mccain crap?

Thank you Thank you Thank you…… from the great state of Arizona…. one who NEVER voted for McCain….. expose him…. get video of him and make it go viral…

McCain isn’t doing so well in Maine! Another excellent Wingnut Crap of the Week, Thers!

Thers, you have a very warped mind.

It comes from having children…

The surge is really cutting edge splendid now. I betcha they’re hard at work cranking out those bumper stickers for McCain:

“Surge Bomb Kills 65 Wounds 150 Heads In the Streets–Petraeus Victorious”

Two Bombings Wreak Carnage in Iraqi Capital

It comes from having children…

hehehehe

is this mccain crap?

What other sort of mccain is there?

McCain isn’t doing so well in Maine!

McCain in Maine is mainly insane.

EG! woohoo, how’s your first night of being a california type?

You mean surge working, 99 killed. Gorilla Guides mordantly congratulations surge supporters with following article: but don’t open this unprepared to see the body of a 13 year old boy, killed at the market yesterday.

believe it or not, English IS my first language, but I need an edit function. Also, maybe, a vacation.
Thank you, Thers.

Hurray! You made it to the left coast!

Almost a foul-mouthed femblogger, Thers! Wow, hellapost.

mighty fine crap there, Thers…

welcome to CA, eg!

Laura Doty – EPU’d from the last thread:
My workshops in March are in Austin, TX, March 9 and March 29. Where are you?

So how are we going to take McCain down?

i plan on using his words and his history (s&l scandal anyone) against him

Takin’ a quick break from marathon “In Therapy.” Finally, HBO’s found its sweet spot again. Gabriel Byrne outstanding and the writerly side of me is fascinated by the structure and the storytelling of this new series.

Visualizing a candidate or two visiting Paul’s office for a few sessions….

Thanks, GW…I’m in Santa Rosa, CA. Too far away! ; (

By calling him the No-Jobs, More-Wars candidate.
Over and over again.

How do we crack the MSM McCain love fest?

Is that the Keating Five? He’s gotta know that’s coming back at him.

Hmmm… no Repug debate live thread…?

Thankee Teddy, Old C…

laura d, i like the 100 year war man myself (the term and not the man)

yeap, prairie, the Keating Five.

Oops, it’s a rehash…!

what rethug debate?

Interesting to see Rory and Ethel Kennedy endorse Obama. Must’ve been some lively conversations at their family gatherings of late.

neverminding…

LOL :)

How about an ad campaign against idiot reporters? clips of them saying idiotic things, followed by voice overs of ever-increasing laughter.

Deride and conquer.

how’s your first night of being a california type?

About to be California dreaming. Still on east coast time zone. Thanks for the welcome!

Yep. That’s pithy. (Also hits subtly on the age thing. )

I think there’s every chance McCain will take himself down. There really is no reason to think Iraq will become a Land of Magical Ponies — especially when Teh Surge! ends, as it must, in the summer.

So yeah, More War, Fewer Jobs. He’s *running* on that, so it shouldn’t be too hard to wrap that around his neck.

sleep well and enjoy the acclimating eg – and i’m just over the hill if ya need anything

No dive tonite, Ma Cheri?

Deride and conquer.

Truth-squadding…unrelenting truth-squadding. And we won’t back down. No we won’t back down….

*waves to egregious* Good to know you’re safely in your new nest. Happy dreams!

Hi Suzanne.

My friend who had the biopsy last week–you gave her good vibes & I was her care partner. It worked. Test came back negative. Thanks.

I think McCain will blow it in the debates no matter who our candidate is. He doesn’t like for people to disagree with him and that nasty temper will probably come out of hiding if he is pushed hard enough.

I am looking for someone with a video camera at one of McCain events catching that Macaca event…. one they can use on the RealMcCain website and can go viral cracking into the MSM…

He restricts admission to his events here in AZ…

we’ll see how it goes. i may take it on the road after a while. if i do, northern cal. would probably be first choice. i’ll be in sacramento in any case in april, july, nov and january.

CRAP….
climbing dive tower

boing boing swan dive, starting off gracefully but it goes horribly wrong and ends with a bellyflop splat here ’round the states

i call it the mccain

woohoo!!!

I’m a foul mothed liberal, too!!! That’s why I lie it here. I’m comfortable.

{{{{{{{{{{Theirs}}}}}}}}}} Hellapost indeed!

OT Suz – weather alert with rain belting storm just arrived from the south & headed your way

least ya didn’t hit your head on the board.

thanks, npb – hatches battened down and all pets inside staying warm and dry

good news. what’s a care partner, eCahn? I never heard of that.

and wasn’t there also something about supressing stuff about the gaming in the indian tribes and the dept of the interior?

egregious, enjoy your California dreamin’ on such a winter’s day. Welcome to the best coast.

Belly flop? Bwhahaha… It actually sounded more like Rudy’s flop…! *g*

katymine – me thinks McCain is doing a splendid job taking himself down. ;~)

we gotta re-remember all his dirt so we can rattle it off just like we did with ag-ag

Deride and conquer.

HAH!

hey suzanne, you’re like the moderator,. right? no. wait. you are the moderator, no? can i ask the group a question? just curious. (and it has nothing to do with the super bowl)

I’m still under a flash flood watch… altho, it’s not raining right now…

california dreaming is a reality now, eg

Thankee.

Times has their sunday columns up. MoDo’s teaser heading: There Will be Blood. No scheiss…using that movie title occurred to some of us the day they announced the Oscar nominations.

Back to the HBO marathon…gotta watch therapist visit his therapist….

And booyah for the progress on the WGA strike negotiations. May it end well for the writers!

i’m one of the moderators, yes. tis thers’ thread, so if you wanna go way off topic this early (less than 100 comments) ya might wanna ask him :)

but she didn’t have to spend a gazillion dollars to do it.

yikes, ct – for how long?

ok. didn’t know that was the practice. sorry if when i didn’t do it in the past. i’ll wait. not important.

Good evening dear friends. Thanks Thers.

OT: Australia newspaper calls US economy “toast”

hah hah hah! crap dives – a new genre, taking diving to new heights (and lows).

Ahhh, the right wing, spreading the crap from sea to shining sea.

Sloan-Kettering (cancer hospital in Manhattan with more money than god) jargon for someone who stays with patients while they are in for a test of some sort. She came down from Poughkeepsie, her husband couldn’t make it owing to first day of classes at Vassar, so I filled in. Involves waiting til inefficient hospital finally gets around to starting the test, listening to the explanation & list of what could go wrong and the most important thing from the hospital’s POV, witnessing the consent form. Then being there for recovery & having having someone for her to leave the hospital with.

I saw Atonement during the actual procedure, & then returned.

Sonoma County would be a good place for such a workshop. Please let me know when you’re in Nor Cal. (I’m on fb or you can email at ldta at sbcglobal dot net. Thank you!

late nite is more liberal re off topic and late late nite is off topic encouraged. most other threads, we like for folks to at least stay on topic for the first part of the thread – of course, exceptions for breaking news, etc.

They’ve extended it a couple times today, the current one is till 8pm about another 1.5hr… Nothing but more rain forecast for the next 5 days too, piled on the past 7+ days we’ve already had… My better half asked if this was our forty days/nights… *g*

ecahn, care partner eh? i just call them friends.

Those of us who have been subjected to the 24/7 McCain straight talk express can show you the tread marks up our backsides….. many of the progressives are very afraid that he will end up Prez… just because we know this stuff doesn’t mean that there aren’t a whole bunch of McCain Democrats willing to put him in office.

A local Iraq vet calls him Bloody John McCain….

lovely dive suzanne. trust you didn’t hurt yourself?

thanks, tex – i’ll add it to the que for the news ticker

wasn’t as bad as childbirth so i guess i’m ok.

; )

tis thers’ thread, so if you wanna go way off topic this early (less than 100 comments) ya might wanna ask him :)

Me?

Fire away — it’s saturday nite, no need to stand on formality among friends.

gotcha.

Evening from snowy Arizona! Don’t worry I am not in Phoenix but way north of there.

Thers, just over at shitheadTownhall. Gawd, you have great intestinal fortitude to go there. Creepy place full of whacks like Baby Limpballs. I shudder… . Hope you don’t get nightmares from going there too often.

we’ve got experience down here in central tx with ark building from our own bout of rain, more rain and most rain. holler if you need help.

needless to say, i love my kids, but childbirth is gross. whatever happened to the good old days when dad’s waited outside instad of getting in the way going hee-hee-hee-hoo?

We had a lot of fun. I always have great conversations with her. But then we started making fun of the hospital. They have hot & cold running people and each one’s job description is narrowly defined. There are aides who look after getting you nose-wipes pre-test, those who walk you to the test location, those who look after you afterwards, a different one to take your information at each stage, techs of all sorts, nurses, and each one wears a different color tunic. I asked if I were wearing the proprerly color-coded outfit for care partner. SK is weird. Not so weird as a hospital to the stars would be in LaCa, though.

Howdy, Tex! It seems ironic that everybody else can see the writing on the wall except Shrubco and our inept MSM…

TexBetsy, how is Cassie doing with her brother over in El Paso?

But, but katymine -

He is older than Ronnie Raygun when he took office and almost as dazed as confused and running on pure narcissism.

Are we going to have enough material to dis McCain all the way thru November?

Thers, just over at shitheadTownhall. Gawd, you have great intestinal fortitude to go there. Creepy place full of whacks like Baby Limpballs. I shudder… . Hope you don’t get nightmares from going there too often.

I just do drive bys, because they can be pretty funny, like the Cornerites — as with this gem from there from the other day: “I agree that Iraq per se may not be our strong point.”

No, ya think?

thanks, thers. my question kinda involves you in a way. at least my answer to my own question.

i was just curious how, if at all, people are going to be watching Super Tuesday coverage. c-span? msnbc? cnn? I go with c-span as the default channel but surf around to cnn and msnbc. and this is where thers comes in. i also go to fox sometimes just to see what kinda bullshit comes oozing through my tv screen. keeping tabs on the wing nuts can be entertaining, huh?

duh! he a rethug – of course we are gonna have enough dirt – getting that dirt into MSM however, is a whole nuther ball of wax

Are we going to have enough material to dis McCain all the way thru November?

I think we have enough already to last us until November 2525.

she got the results in about a week? how was the movie?

Just do not underestimate him. We did that in 2004 and we got four more years of GWB…. this is as serious as a heart attack….. at least 2 supremes are at stake and possibly our whole world.

Heh, because the pain should be equitably shared, it took me awhile to regain use of my arm after her clutching my arm during the birth of my son… *g*

just be thankful the appendage she was hanging onto was your arm, ct

i also go to fox sometimes just to see what kinda bullshit comes oozing through my tv screen. keeping tabs on the wing nuts can be entertaining, huh?

Hee hee. I can never watch the Fox stuff, though — we only have the one TV in the house, and I can’t in good conscience subject the kids to that sort of thing. I usually check in online and let the kids watch porn or snuff films or something better for them than Fox.

another good reason to keep an eye on the malkins and listen to the limbaughs — they loathe mccain so much they may give us material.

spew

McCain had to run very, very hard (for a 71 year old man – that’s 4 years older than Chuck Norris!) to the right to get where he is, yet any movement conservative (from Joe Scarborough to Ann Coulter) hates his guts. He was popular among independents, but unless he cuts off anyone who doesn’t think “conservative” is a dirty word, that probably won’t last. So he’ll be left running with a base of “moderate Republicans”. Both of them.

you can get them to let you watch fox for a litle while and then get them a porn flick on pay-per-view.

They’re doing great. FINALLY in the new house and she’s busy decorating her room and counting the hours until the internet gets turned on.

good dad – priorities straight.

very glad to hear they’re doing well. howwa bout yourself?

i watched some of the beltway boys tonight. o. my. god. who’s a bigger asshole than fred barnes. he said “move on.org is against the war and against te united states.”

Yep. A week later. One thing that was good about my being there, I ask a lot of Qs. (I’m sure your all shocked to hear that.) When the doc doing the test was describing it, he said that the material in the bone that he was sampling was like a pellet. I asked him what he meant & he said it was harded than regular bone. I wanted to joke about whether they had a tiny jackhammer on the end of the needle but didn’t. Ann told me that during the procedure (she was conscious but under sedation & painkillers), the doc asked for a “percussive” instrument. If I hadn’t asked that Q, she would have freaked out.

Atonement was a very good movie. Recommended. Lots of nice cinematography, Masterpiece Theater type sets (rich English house in 1930s) and good acting.

That’s a pretty quick transition from guest housing into actual housing by typical Army standards… Trust me, I speak from experience…! ;-)

I have had manageable pain and no need for darvocet for the last 23 hrs! Spent the day mostly resting anyway. Tutoring tomorrow and then THE GIANTS in the Superbowl.

I sure she will bouncing all around here again very soon. She is good people.

Hey all. Anyone else worried something is up in the Middle East? I started poking around the web starting with the cable cuts (still looks like 3, not 4 as some have been saying today) and found this: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..2FShowFull

Go Patsies… Actually, I’m rooting for the G-men, my wife is a Mass native and a die-hard Patriot fan and I like to play devil’s advocate… ;-)

You guys have seen the music video of Obama’s New Hampshire concession speech by Will.i.am, right? Here it is.

Mr. Purple

Anyone else worried something is up in the Middle East?

Rhetorical question, I presume.

they were told it would be ready last week but there was some mix up with my nephew’s marriage certificate and they gave them something different.

Hah!
I can see this is one of those nights I need to keep the inhaler close by.;)

I think these whackoos were born without braincells. Must be pure vaccum inside their heads.

I’m quite sure 3 cuts is not a coincidence. The only relevant activity I can find is Iran opening its own bourse.

CT, a whole bunch of new housing was just built at Bliss. They’re in the ones people are moving out of.

also saw BO on MTV. he said (paraphrasing, but very close) “the kind of change we want is were the government liostens to the voices of the american people and not the special interests.”

Believe him? Even if you do, can he deliver?

it was surprising that he didn’t do so well with the audience of kids. they did insta-polling and i think 33% said they weren’t gonna vote for him and 8% said they were less like ly to vote for him than before they heard him. those were separate categories and they add up to, like, over 40%. that surprised me. i know it was a small group, but still……. he’s supposed to be doing great with kids.

Very excellent!

no pain meds is a very good day indeed, tex :)

Wangdang (I think it was her, if I’m wrong, someone will tell me) had us all put our hands on our monitors and counted to five and then we sent healing warmth to you.
:-)

McCain should be utterly attractive to these extremists. He’s got high ratings from the Pro-Lifers…opposing just about everything that relates to Choice issues…he’s insanely pro-war, etc. I don’t get it. I think they know his stands ion issues will eventually get out and he’ll lose the support of the moderate Republicans that support him now in the primaries…so if you are going to support a Conservative in a losing cause…support one that is upfront about it.

BTW McCain is facing a nasty defeat in Maine that may dent the idea of invulnerability.

http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/state/me

Apparently Romney is kicking him about and taking all the uncommitted general delegates (19 of 21 so far). And to make matters worse Ron Paul is practically even with St. John. Unlike New Hampshire, this was a closed primary, so it may suggest that McCain’s support amongst hard-core Party members may be softer than a 71-year old man without Viagra. Oh…,half the delegates in Maine are held by the Party Apparatchek…”Super Delegates”…so I wonder where they stand with the former neighboring Governor?

i think it was wangdang, margot *waving*

…some mix up with my nephew’s marriage certificate…

Let me guess the i’s weren’t dotted and the t’s weren’t crossed properly, eh? ;-)

*waving back, and hi to all*

naw, filed in duplicate when triplicate was required (wink)

the govt’s already listening to the voices of the american people. illegally.

glad to see that support for the NYFG’s.

In case you didn’t see it earlier in the day tere is a new Beerfat Liberal Heart-over-Head Pick-o’- the -Week.

Old Pick: New york Football Giants and the points.

New Pick: New York Football Giants straight up.

Change you can count on.

And it worked beautifully! My back is no longer in spasm, and everything else is manageable.

definitely very good.

Marriage certificate in triplicate? Is he a Mormon?

is there such a time as a no sports season? if so, i’m looking forward to it

remember, they only got married 4 days before the move. apparently the fax got “lost in the mail”

Excellent to hear about your back, TB.

hello there.

nope

Yeah, McCain loses to self-identified conservatives by 16 pts to Romney. Go figure…

how can a fax get lost in the mail? wait, we are talking military.

never mind

i’m rooting for it.

Oh @#$# rain tomorrow during the game…. worst…. when the crew is striking the game…

in response to an earlier post, “Loyalty” (http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/01/loyalty-2/#Respond); check out my clarification here:

http://thedaily.washington.edu…..-part-two/

thanks,

Will

baseball season. baseball’s not a sport. world series is Ok if the Jankees are in it. so that leaves you march to september, suze. but hockey and baseball go to june. and football starts again in july. so, about a few weeks from mid-june to the end of july. that’s it.

Ain’t that the truth! One thing about the sheer volume of data collected, somebody has to read/translate the mountain of data… I know the NSA hasn’t hired enough individuals to monitor even one scintillionth of that amount… Just a thought… ;-)

hockey and basketball. not baseball.

No, McCain has alienated the traditional GOP base by being “bipartisan” (McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman…). He will never, ever get them back. They HATE him. He will probably get “security” conservatives (now that Guiliani’s out), but he won’t get “social” conservatives. He may get some of “fiscal” conservatives, but that’s Romney’s only strong suit.

I live in Maine. The only Republican signs I see are Ron Paul, and they’re all on public property. (The only bumper stickers I see are Obama or Kucinich.)

Hey Margot,
I never left the house due to ice covering all outdoor surfaces. Mr. CE went to work, came home and when he opened the car door to get out, fell completely on his side without even standing up. Horrible here. Great post tonight Thers, lots of laughs!

tell that to the forking yankee fans

Heart-over-Head

That sums it up…!

It’s got me VERY edgy.

for those that didn’t see this yesterday, it is from Cassie: Update on my life

password is treehouse

Not just rhetorical. Numerous rather concrete signs: 3 cable cuts, Iran pricing oil in Euros, emergency OPEC meeting when OPEC is looking more likely to do same all the time, AQ leader in Pakistan hit via missle strike from unacknowledged origin, Palestinians flowing into Egypt, Israeli Holocaust Day proclamation they won’t be threatened any more, etc. etc. etc. And by the way the intel community was doing cyberwar games on the day of the first 2 cable cuts. Smells bad.

A FAX cannot get “lost in the mail” unless it is being sent via the internet. Faxes are sent between to machines abd they error check each other just so nothing gets lost… But knowing the military I would say it was never sent

Trust you’ve got a lot of beer in stock. You’re going to need it. To miss the end.

I was snarking.

Yeah, cable cuts are suspicious. And some of the other stuff.

But in that part of the world, weird is normal.

this post needs to be dugg more, pups.

is there such a time as a no sports season? if so, i’m looking forward to it

You’ll have a mighty long wait… Fortunately, there’s always something… *g*

Turning in. G’night.

NAH Hockey, football and Baseball now thats sports… bastard ball sheese running up and down the court throwing a ball into a hoop….:>)

“I’m frustrated as hell with the rise of the blogosphere,” said Christian Sinderman, a local Democratic consultant. “Blogs, for me, are this weird nether region…it’s usually stuff that’s not quite good enough to end up printed somewhere, but it’s not quite nothing enough to end up going into the ether.”

i knew it wsn’t just te potty mouths. i knew there had to be another reason why i like it here so much. I love nether regions.

Aloha, eCAHN!

We have never had 3 cable cuts in a week, or anything close. It’s not just suspicious.

g’nite eCAHN

what are cable cuts? cutting communication cables similar to cutting telephone lines during ww2?

Night, all. Baby is screaming and I must comfort.

I was snarking.

I know. I was just amplifying.

Ah. That would explain the pro-Giants position. Did you know that there are no actual giants on the team?

the heart hasn’t been wrong since “take hawaii and the points.”

g’nite thers – hope ya get some sleep

I hoped it would! I’m so glad it did.
PS Do you know if your magnesium level is OK?

Exactly.

well, i’m a drunk, so i don’t have any. i’d be done before halftime and I don’t wanna miss tom petty.

…Iran pricing oil in Euros, emergency OPEC meeting when OPEC is looking more likely to do same all the time…

Therein lies the crux of the neocons fears, screw the nukes, that is their worst nightmare, particularily if OPEC follows Iran’s lead…

night thers. keep keepin’ us posted on those wing nuts.

Alright, smarty pants… 8-P

no, but some pretty large fellows. and eli has the heart of a giant.

g’nite all. i’m adraggin’.

I find it strange that every list of ‘best presidents’ I’ve seen, Abraham Lincoln is tops. A Republican. Loved even by progressives, even though he wrote the playbook for ‘unitary executive’. Cognitive dissonance?

Currently, what I find strange in the progressive blogsphere — dominant in other sites — is the cyclopean ‘Democratic exceptionalism’ to the point of alienating centrists, libertarians, independents, and sometimes , new voters. For someone to say, “We are here to elect Democrats” and then trash a D candidate not his choice seems counterintuitive.

done

Severed would be more appropriate, the undersea fiber optic cables…

g’nite gw

Aloha, Thers and GW!

now i am confused. what to do???

Obama’s Super Bowl Pick: The Pats
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors

The Giants and the Patriots both hail from Feb. 5 states — come to think of it, the Giants sort of hail from two, New York and New Jersey, which is the team’s home base.

sleep well GW and Thers.

I tend to like Jefferson and Jackson myself… And FDR!

what are cable cuts? cutting communication cables similar to cutting telephone lines during ww2?

Hi Suz.

Could be many things. (1) Accidental, as in boat anchors inadvertently dragged across undersea cables, temporarily inconveniencing millions and affecting national economies. Oh, and by the way forcing all internet & phone traffic in the region to start flowing through the US (see supra in re. cyber wargames on same day). (2) Accidental boat anchor breaks as cover for somebody inserting fibre optic splitters elsewhere in the same cable, to enable subsequent broadband surveillance. (3) Like (2), but remote control on/off switches are also inserted into the cables, making it possible to turn off the region’s internet service again at any desired later time, for example to stop information flow once a shooting war starts.

None of these are particularly good things.

Heh. Eli is the wannabee younger brother of a skilled QB. Both very taken with the idea of being a hero. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way outside of fantasy. You will be assimilated.

can’t speak for everyone but I think the idea here is to try to help elect progressive democrats. some democrats are scumbags and many of us don’t like ‘em an’ say so. Now, I don’t rightly know much about all this counterintuitivityness but i see not all that much trashin’ goin’ on. least not here. criticism? sure. criticism i disagree with? sure. criticism that will rent the Democratic Party asunder. Nope. Maybe I’m missin’ somethin’ i mean, I don’t got no eye in the middle of my head or nuthin’.

nicely said

Lemme see if I can make this easier for ya with a little NY/NJ logical
reasoning:

Boston Sucks!!!!!!!

Putting all the pieces together, I’m wondering whether the US is signaling the ME that if they crash the US economy by moving oil off the US dollar, the US will crash their economies by turning off their internet. I feel there’s definitely an I/P aspect to it too, but I don’t understand that world well enough to hear those particular dogwhistles.

why thanks. you know i respect your opinion.

BFL, I am for sure rooting for the Giants. That was NEVER the question. But … am I for Obama?

Hi Novista! You really need to learn some history, particularly about Lincoln. (He was the first Republican, but he didn’t call himself that in his second election campaign.)

Politics is a lizard-brained sport. We have that on our side too, but not quite as dramatic as, say, Coulter’s and Scarborough’s McCain hatred. But please, expose to us the contents of your lower brain stem!

sounds like you’ve put all the pices together and they’re all gonna come crashing apart.

My theories are usually wrong, I cheerfully admit.

You may not like them, but they sure don’t suck.

-G

oh. who cares? obama o-shmama. I thought you were having trouble deciding something important. but you got it.

I would have a nasty response for you BFL but I think the mods would pull them so STFU…giants are lucky they made it to the super bowl at all…

SH*T! Where’s TRex when you need him!

Atlas Jugged has posted this Swift Boating of Obama on her website, asserting that Obama is responsible for the violence in Kenya, is “cousin” to a Shari’a law promoting Communist (if one gives half a brain cell to thinking about that utter nonsense one has to guffaw). Same claim that Obama was “once a Muslim”. Asserts that he “supported” Odinga in his Presidential campaign, blah, blah, blah. Reminiscent of the Kerry-Jane Fonda pictures there story is complete with pictures of Odinga and Obama on the same podium.

All of this somehow being pushed by an Evangelical group who has links in Kenya.

And get this…a variant of this posting has emerged on dKos!

So what’s the real story? Is Obama and Odinga really “cousins”…or is that something merely said because Obama’s father was a Luo?

It should also be pointed out that there are already Shari’a Courts in Kenya, and these handle issues relating to marriage and religion only (much as a US Catholic priest might handle the same and issue “Ave Marias” and other acts as atonement). Odinga is a Christian, and he was only trying to expand a right that is already held by Coastal Swahili, and practiced by many other religious groups in Kenya.

And is the only link between Obama and Odinga simply because the latter is the most prominent Luo politician in Kenya (and a former member of Kibaki’s opposition group BTW) and would have been an obvious “host” to Obama during the latter’s trip to visit his fathers village?

Was Obama ONLY involved in discussions with Odinga? Or did he also meet with Kibaki and other representatives of the Kenyan Government? Was he being “evenhanded” while the Government wanted to “embargo” his contact with Odinga? In that case Obama’s visit would be more like that of an American Senator visiting both Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan…something quite reasonable for a Senator with Obama’s Committee memberships to undertake in a nation which is split politically and important to the US strategically.

i’m not so fast to discount that one. i really don’t know, but I just don’t like what’s happening (like who does?)

Better ask Willard. I hear he has exceutive experience in the real economy. He’ll know.

what’s that smell in the threads? Why, it’s testosterone! must be some sacred sports day coming up…

Is this Late Nite?

all of them. Pats, Red Sucks, Celtics, Broons.

BFL, Greg B, etc. Take the football stuff somewhere that it’s welcome.

well, tellin’ me to shut the fuck up ain’t exactly nice now, is it?

Gee Suz… thought might like that smell :>)

yes

nope

it’s not a sports day. it’s a Party day!!!!!

weeeeeeeeeeeooooooo
Iiiirrrk!
slam
Hi, I hear you need oil poured on troubled waters?
;0)

Did you have anything nice to say??? tit for tat isn’t this fun:>)

*don’t make me blow my whistle and call a personal foul*

Heyo!

-G

Atlas Shruggs is batshit insane. She makes Brittany Spears look well grounded.

-G

I’d think that it would be more important for the US to listen in on Iranian communications than to have them talking only internally. If you don’t have the cryptography this might be understandable, but when you do (and I have no doubt that the NSA is capable of deciphering Iranian communications) this seems disfunctional. Plus many communications are via satellite, and it would be official government ones that would be prioritized for that.

Even most news agencies traffic using satellite. All this does is knock out standard phone and internet traffic.

I don’t buy it.

Just for a change in venue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_qhnWByA4

It was fun reading many years ago…

sick fuck…

I like that. Someone once called me that in 2001… Haven’t had a chance to use it since.

ok. alright. enuff football.
anybody else see barak on MTV. i didn’t think he was so hot. know someting about this election campaign being so long? Obama’s starting to bore me. he’s approaching his “sell by” date. he ain’t fresh no more.

Now this is the way to extend a howdy-do to Shrub…

http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2807852

tit for tat. that never made anysense to me.

but i’m off sports now. so i can go back to being nice.

Did the link work?

bad linky ct, and i can’t fix it.. if ya tell me which one, i’ll go get it and redo it

Can’t hit your DU link, Tuttle…
But I’m challenged.

Good morning, all…AM here in FL, and very quiet tonight..Question: other than McCain taking money from Charles Keating as part of the S&L debacle, what other dirt, per se, is there on McCain? I don’t mean statements about the war and so forth…is there anything else in his past that would impeach his character?

Glad you’re feeling better, Betsy.

OK but … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUxZ5GawrUc

i like it too.

The rousing welcome KC gave Shrub, Suz…

i fixed your link, nahant, the … has to be separate from the http

off to fetch it for you ct

don’t know. whaty happened to his first wife? last week, someone here suggested that when he was a p.o.w. he kept a watch up his ass. they’ll/we’ll come up with something.

Had a nice dinner with another MN FDLer tonight after my thread: John Forde, who has hosted emptywheel on his show…

Satellite transimissions can be intercepted by anyone. What don’t you buy?

I couldn’t get it to link either… DU must be some thing funny with their linkies… but great pictures of very concerned citizens voicing their opinions:>)

is it a.m. here? damn. so, we’re gonna have a gay bashing amnedment on our ballot afer all, huh? how did they get all those signatures so quickly?

Daym your right again… I will learn

Only good reason I’ve heard for watching the Stupor Bowl is the commercials.

But I don’t think they’re worth having to watch the other crap.

ct, i went through du’s breaking news until yesterday and could not find it

No that’s still football. It’s just called “politics”, but it’s the same lame game.

I find it strange that every list of ‘best presidents’ I’ve seen, Abraham Lincoln is tops. A Republican. Loved even by progressives, even though he wrote the playbook for ‘unitary executive’. Cognitive dissonance?

And want to know what’s really weird…Southern Republicans hated the “unitary executive” when it was applied to them when they tried to rip apart the United States on the basis of so-called “States Rights”…and also Lincoln’s issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation, and the 14th/15th Amendments.

Want to know something else…Lincoln’s application of his Unitary Executive decisions were eventually revoked by the Supreme Court…and his revocation of “habeas corpus” as a temporary measure was Constitutionally legal (there were no Federal Courts in the “war zones”). Lincoln’s movement to “Unitary Executive” lasted only about one year. George Bush has essentially operated this way since (or perhaps before) 9/11.

I have been reading the posts at a few wingnut blogs lately. I hadn’t delved into that abbatoir for sometime.

Holy shit, there are people who can say this:

“The implications of Obama becoming the POTUS are truly frightening. If the Muslim activist voters in this country do what they did in Kenya, bye bye America as we know it.”

Cloud coo coo land.

-G

I’ll try again…

http://www.democraticundergrou…..ddress=389×2807852

For truly secure communications a fiber link is the the best as you have to pretty much break the link to eaves drop… but that would be noticed.. been there done that

ron d just made me realize how late it was. i gotta get to bed. i got a big game tomorrow.

jints straight up.

nope…

g’nite bfl

Did they get the votes for that, BFL? Last I heard, they didn’t have’em.

still not working ct – wanna email it to me at ten67x at googles mail dot commie thing

It’s the most discussed topic at DU in the Forum segment…

If the SCOTUS ever picks the president again, bye-bye america as we know it.

TRex is over at the treehouse these days. If we’re lucky he’ll direct his attention to Atlas this week

You got mail

trying this link ct

http://www.orlandosentinel.com…..5869.story

Good night BFL GO PATS:>)

IMHO, the Iranians aren’t stupid; they’re surely using publicly available cryptography (e.g., PGP) for sensitive communications.

Can’t figure out why anyone from outside Iran (or Saudi, Pakistan, etc.) would intentionally cut the cables. It sounds like it might be something that might be done to keep “unofficial” people inside from communicating outside. As I said, if you want to spy on someone you keep their communications OPEN.

BFL for the Giants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDuYlRs9_Do

But if an ally wants to attack them and you don’t want the world to know, at least not much, at least not right away, then cutting Iran’s internet lines would do the trick.

The thing is, I think McCain is a very strong candidate, possibly the strongest the Republicans could have fielded. Among most non-political-junkies I know, McCain is very popular with both Democrats and Republicans, who respect his record as a soldier and his rep for straight talk(deserved or not). I don’t agree with him on anything, but I think he’ll be very tough to beat.

All off the shelf PK crypto like PGP is essentially transparent to NSA. (I did some work in that exact area once.)

“Sell By Date”? What candidate hasn’t been out there for months?

Do you make your decisions about who to vote for based on candidate appearances where they are competing with amphetamine-laced hyper produced MTV videos and shows? That stuff is for people with attention spans of 5 minutes. Sorry you are bored.

But if an ally wants to attack them and you don’t want the world to know, at least not much, at least not right away, then cutting Iran’s internet lines would do the trick.

Nope, tons of satellite transmission link-ups in the Middle East (and Iran), and internet and phone traffic isn’t likely to be the means of reporting an attack. Al Jazeera, and many other news groups in the Gulf have satellite links.

An attack on an Iranian facility would likely only be revealed by the Iranian government…through their official news agency. They’d have no issue using satellite transmissions to convey that information.

Easier to intercept it where the cable emerges from the depths…a la how they did with ATT in SF. Particularly if you wish to obtain loads of information.

Are all these cables located in the Mediterranean? Not very deep there. And doesn’t repair actually entail relaying the entire cable, which subverts the whole introduction of some sort of splitter on the sea floor. A few years ago, when two major Transatlantic cables snapped almost simultaneously it took months to lay new cables.

Okay, found that seaquakes are often the cause of multiple breaks of undersea cables. In December 2006 NINE cables simultaneously broke after a 6.1 earthquake off SE Asia disrupting internet and phone traffic for months.
Taiwan, the Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan and China were impacted.

http://www.reuters.com/article…..dChannel=0

Sometimes telecommunications firms simply allow a break to sit because they have redundancy, then they get screwed when the other cable gets broken. I mentioned this above…in 2003 there was a “double break” between Europe and N. America (actually the damage to one cable had occurred months before the other but only announced when service crashed).

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/commun…..125,00.htm

Service is rarely disrupted entirely, there are scores of cables that have been laid with many destinations. I would find it extremely unlikely that more than a few % of messages aren’t getting through entirely, and the delays might merely relate to speed of transmission issues. Things are simply routed through other links.

People today expect extremely high transmission speed and download time. But that’s not gonna delay word of an attack to the media and public for more than a few seconds. And in terms of internal or regional response it wouldn’t affect it at all.

No significant local quakes at or near the date/times of the breaks.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqc…..Europe.php
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqc…..Africa.php

Reporting on internet traffic congestion:

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm

(Note the 0% it currently shows for Iran is misleading, it just means the only site they are testing for in Iran is still not connected.)

True but while they installed that splitter they just moved traffic to a different cable and then back when the splitters was installed…. USN can and does do deep sea intercepts…. but usually on copper cables… using capacitor induction Electrical current… fiber is light and it is shielded

have a national mantra mccain is insane mccain is insane!!!!!!

MCCAIN IS INSANE MCCAIN IS INSANE SEE IT RHYMES!!!