There’s an old story which illustrates the heart of what I consider to be conservative political philosophy.
There’s a road with a fence down the middle. You come to me and say “let’s get rid of this.”
My response is, “tell me why it’s there, and maybe I’ll let you remove it.”
You should never, ever, make a policy change unless you can say why the policy was enacted in the first place. You should never, ever, make a policy change unless you are able to make the argument for not changing it.
This is a constant problem. People want “reform” (the most debased word in the political lexicon, since most reforms aren’t) but they never seem to understand the costs of change.
When you reduce capital gains taxes you push money into the secondary securities markets and reduce consumption demand. You make the rich richer, and people who work for a living comparatively poorer.
When you get rid of estate taxes you will increase the amount of money that living people have to pay in taxes and help create a class of rich people who never earned their own money.
When you reduce the progressivity of the taxation system overall you reduce growth in demand for general goods and services and increase the demand for financial products and luxury goods.
When you reduce funding for public health you increase the spread of STDs and you create a pool of people who will act as carriers for infectious diseases, thus making even rich people more likely to suffer from and die from disease.
When you make it impossible for rich people to cut large checks to politicians, and don’t allow public funding, you make fundraising take up much more of the time of politicians and require many more compromises, not fewer compromises. They wind up owned by more people, not fewer people.
Examples are endless.
The rule of “reform” is that it moves in cycles. First the rich are taxed lightly. Money concentrates in their hands, the economy financializes, real economic activity grows more slowly than before, the poor and middle class borrow themselves into bankruptcy. The economy crashes. Taxes are shifted to being highly progressive, demand improves. Once things are good for long enough that those who remember are dead or retired (once the Lost Generation lost power) it begins to seem “unfair” to tax the rich so heavily. They get rid of most of it. The economy financializes, real economic activity grows more slowly than before, etc…
In businesses the same things happen. Some manager decides costs are too high and outsources operations. Costs are reduced, and he gets a promotion. The new manager discovers service is worse and that anything extra he wants done costs a lot of money and requires contract renegotiation. He decides that the loss of control is costing them more money than its worth. He brings the operations back inside the company. Control increases, the amount of money being generated increases, but costs also accelerate. He gets promoted. A new manager comes in. He notices that costs are too high….
Those were cyclical examples. Sometimes things aren’t cyclical. Sometimes they’re just bad and lead to bad places. When Spain financialized its economy, it never recovered, because by the time it was clear that there was a problem that the next treasure ship wouldn’t solve, the middle class had been destroyed to the point where it couldn’t be rebuilt. All that was left were poor people and rich useless people living on “incomes.”
When GM and Ford decided that they were finance companies, when they decided to stop being controlled by men who had been engineers, and have suits control them, they let their engineering cultures decay. Now, building lousy cars that aren’t worth what they cost to build, they keep trying to dig themselves out by new financing schemes, by promotions, by cost cutting… But the problem isn’t their financing, the problem isn’t their sales force, the problem isn’t primarily their costs (they could get rid of their pension obligations, their health obligations and cut wages in half and they would just go bankrupt slower), the problem is that they have a lousy engineering culture. And none of what they’re doing is designed to fix that – it’s all spreadsheet management, running around trying to change the numbers in the cells on management’s excel sheets. Which doesn’t make better cars.
Before you make changes, always ask yourself “why was the old system created? What problems was it meant to solve?”
You’ll save yourself endless grief and wasted time if you do. And every time some politician tells you he’s going to “reform” something, ask yourself what the benefits of the old way of doing things were. Make the case for keeping it. Then compare and decide if “reform” is really reform.
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Aloha, Ian!
Policy as institutional memory of mistakes. “Whew, that was not good at all. let’s not ever do that again. To make sure. let’s make a new policy that …” Kinda like the Constitution.
An apt description of the Bush family. Why do we turn to them to solve our problems when they have never lived in the real world?
That was a great post Ian.
But Ian…
…that’s so…..conservative.
BINGO!
most corporate restraint was brought on by the corporation themselves, they caused issues we had to pay for, they caused negative return against the economy or the society they earn their profits and their depraved conduct had to be restrained…very simple stuff here
corporate restraint forces these companies to pay their own bills, it keeps them from rendering our country a wasteland, it forces them invest back into the economy, back into technology, and it forces them to be responsible tools and champions of our society and the very reason they make any profit at all
it forces them to clean up their crap instead of dumping it in my back yard, and it keeps them from getting everyone else to pay for the damage they create
corporate restraint and regulation forces them to produce innovation for the good of that society they gather their profit…rather then for the good of their bank accounts which they would otherwise export to other countries (when they can find one that doesn’t ask them to pay their own bills)
incorporating is not a right it’s a privilege, if they want the privilege WE set the rules, not them…people like ron paul don’t want to hear that, why, they want no rules at all, yeah, that’s the ticket, no rules for us, let the market decide…yayyyyyy, weeeeeee.
too bad, they can dissolve their corporation if they don’t like the operating rules, this is not their country to exploit, we allow them profit so long as there is positive return for US, we deny them the right when it’s negative return for us, very simple stuff
their marketing strategy is designed to convince us the restraints they brought on themselves don’t are “bad”
it’s a ridiculous position but there it is…their very goal is to remove the regulations that force them to pay their own bills…they want everyone else to pay for their operational costs and they get people to fall for it.
while it’s obvious this is their plan I am surprised people want to allow them to “let the market decide”.
without restraint, the only purpose of a corporation is profit, it is mandated by law, they must make all decisions on behalf of the shareholder
Hey Ian!
Hilarious example of management going back and forth between outsourcing to save money and insourcing to achieve better control over the product. And everybody gets promoted.
Here’a a conservative philosophy. Stop foreign adventures and trying to force our brand of Democracy down other peoples throats. Quit trying to be the the world’s policeman. Cease trying to steal other countries natural resources. Stop the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Invest the monetary savings here at home and in certain foreign type Marshall Plans. Raise taxes. Spend the money on repairing infra structure, education, health care and environmental projects.
Ian… I finally figured out how and where Trickle down economics work…..
In the financial markets….. deregulate mortgage industry….. create the subprime mortgage industry….. create that debt as a security and sell it as a bond and rate it AAA which is sold to union pension funds and then it all goes to hell in a hand basket which now is trickling down through the whole financial markets…. So Reagan policies really work….. kind of…
Two notable ‘reforms’ that has heavily impacted us, was reforming Glass-Steagal and welfare… Each has had an insidious impact… One has shredded the regulation of the financial system and the other has shredded our safety net…
Great post, Ian, as always.
When you here someone like George Will or Thomas Sowell described as conservatives,
don’t believe it. They both signed off on many of the worst, most radical policies of
the Reagan and Bush years, until things went south.
…hear…
I can spell when I want to.
Within the next few years protectionism will be firmly in place.
From your mouth to gawd’s ear.
There is a difference between neo conservatives and conservatives.
ahh, that might be true but the real concervatives have not distanced themselves from neo concervatives
if they were to do that, they would become democrats
i truly love that man,sorry i missed the book salon,however im always happy to be on the esteemed Ians threads…..
I read somewhere recently that Ford Motor Company can no longer engineer a modern automobile transmission inhouse. Scary, that.
Oh, and Jaguar’s being sold by Ford to Tata, the Indian auto giant.
they work 100 percent for what they are designed
they are designed to dismantle the middle class, they are designed to align our economy with rober baron economics
they are not really disigned to give the wealthy more assets, they are designed to take assets and knowledge from the middle class, they want there to be as great a divide as possible
please tell me one thing they have conserved,besides their bank accounts,stock portfolios and land holdings?
I guess I have a skewed thought about the inheritance tax. Let’s say a member of a poor family works their way up and ends up throughout their lifetime able to save for example $200,000 for which they paid tax on (that mostly went to pay for war and defense) when they made the money. Let’s say, that person has 5 children, and the person dies. The $200,000 should be taxed again at a really high rate (40% or something) by the government who will use it mostly for war and defense. I think that the $200,000 should be divided up and passed on to the person’s children, who could use it for education or housing or whatever…to improve their lives and the money would go back into the economy. I don’t think they should have a bunch of it go to the government just because they didn’t personally earn it. Just sayin’.
wonder how all the vegan hindus are gonna like the Conelly leather hide seats
‘Tain’t the spellin’ that’s the problem for me, though I appall meself sumtymes, no ’tis the mind/finger/synapse/collapse (M/F/S/C) thingie that catches me out, specially went brain functions too rapidly or idea runs risk of escaping afore I gots it firmly pinned down…. ‘
Grumble, grumble
i believe there is no inheritence tax till 2 million $$$$$
Outsourcing, Teddy…
Many have become Democrats. My former Repug state senator was primaryed out of office by a fundie repug and their machine. He now is a proud Democrat, a precinct committee person and ran for state office as a Dem. The current candidate running as my state senator was a former repug who was run out of his party at an actual party meeting.
I was speaking philosophically. ;0)
Unless it has changed, it is way lower than that.
Welcome home to the Golden State egregious! Snoopy dancing in celebration. ;~)
mercy! you made mistake, it’s the DEATH Tax
oopsie just spilt the cheetos in da bed….hold the phone…they messy
*waves* Hello firepups. Sorry for not being by earlier–travelling.
$200K is not really any money these days, I mean, the tax laws just don’t really care about it, unless it is your annual income. . .
Super post Ian … very good points!
TMI
Going up to $3.5 mil next year, infinity the year after, and then who the hell knows.
‘zactly
the democrats are the concervatives, WE are here to concerve the air for our kids, the water for our selves, the economy for our grandchildren, the constitution for the planet
democrats are the real concervatives, “convervatives” are using “the code” thom harman speaks about, they claim they are one thing which they clearly are not
How to frame de-regulation……
It is driving without brakes, speed limits, stop lights and road signs… or running amuck with scisors
Hey Ian! Dugg it just now.
What label to we attach to a political party that cuts taxes and increases spending (on the wrong things)? At the same time.
We should sign all our emails and faxes “from a Conservative”, so that when our Democratic Congress people receive them they will be quick to do our bidding.
good that idea, good indeed
Democrats are conservatives — they stand for “new deal” policies which are 60 to 70 years old… that’s conservative. Republicans are reactionaries, who want to go back to the Gilded Age and repeal the New Deal.
Wow! What a super, sneaky idea! It will work like a charm, I’m sure, on my DINO Congresscritter John Barrow. Can’t wait to try it out… I like the way your mind works!
There are ‘producers’ and there are the ‘money men and women’. We have too little of one, and way too much of the other.
we should call ourselvers CONSERVATORS …i like iyt!!!
Ian, I have no idea why this decision making skill is lacking in our Congress and White House other than for the reason that serving We the People is not on their to do list.
You would call WPA, the Conservation Corps, Social Security, the right to form unions, unemployment compensation, “conservsative”? You would term FDR a conservative? Is that correct? Are with we dealing with matters of definition here. As in Abraham Lincoln would be considered a liberal today?
Hello Ian – Well, done. I love this subject. It’s one of my favorites. It demonstrates the mish-mash of capitalistic ideas thrown out there to make a square peg fit in a round hole.
Today, executives in corporations think the purpose of the corporation is to make money. They don’t understand that making money is the result of the company’s purpose and mission statement. They think by formula. An example is the organizational chart. They use a classic blue print without the slightest notion of the needs of their organization to accomplish their purpose. After years as a consultant to companies I finally concluded that executives and management no longer could think.
What caused this degradation of management that at one time was the hallmark of a company? I suspect when companies go public they answer to shareholders who want a return on their investment, no matter how. The product is incidental. The purpose is irrelevant. The means by which to accomplish the purpose changes from meeting to meeting. It is amazing to me that anything is produced at all and that is usually the accomplishment of some lower lever manager who needs his/her job to support the family. He needs the company more than the company needs him.
But no one is watching how the product fits into market trends, so this is outsourced to a third party company that has a bunch of formulas they use to squeeze the client company in to and make suggestions accordingly. They know about as much as I do about the company but it covers management’s butts and places the blame on an outside source. They pass one more Board of Directors meeting, for this quarter.
I have no idea why the democrats aren’t able to say;
“the regulations were brought on by the industry who refused to pay their bills, when they demonstrate they want to pay their own bills we will see if the regulations that forced them to be responsible can be repealed.
regulations were caused by the industry they affect but they don’t want the people to remember that”
hehe
that would send them over the friggin cliff
I worked for GM in 1984. They were 1950’s WASP and thought it was easier to buy Congress rather than build fuel efficient cars.
I was brought in fron Law School to offer outside the box analysis. Quit 6 months later! What an opportunity cost!
And, failing that, they are happy to trash everything, everybody and the planet’s capacity to support human life.
Looks a lot like their Gilded Age is here for many of them and the New Deal ain’t for the rest of us.
I’d say these um …people, call them what you will, have mucked things
‘up’ quite successfully over the past, almost thirty years.
here’s some outside the box analysis for gm;
WHY THE HELL DID YOU SELL YOUR BATTERY TECHNOLGY TO THE FRIGGIN OIL INDUSTY?
howz THAT for analysis?
Thanks npb, happy to be here.
Agreed or Greed, I’m not sure which*g*
Pretty much as long as i’ve been alive. The only reason i’ve had exposure outside of this type of system? Is because i’ve all that family in canada and i’ve also been to britain twice. So i’ve seen successful systems other than our own.
I wonder how many others haven’t seen anything outside this, that are my age or a lot younger. It makes a helluva difference when you know. I’m also one of those weirdos who long for long range light rail for trips across country and intra state. The UK spoiled me for that! I’d love it, but it isn’t going to happen here very easily or very well, because all the talent to build it? Is leaving the country in droves.
sad but true
fore referance
Original conservative philosophy holds that people are created evil, and it is the lifelong duty and struggle to overcome that propensity to do bad. Thomas Hobbes’ “The Leviathan” treats parts of this issue somewhat adequately.
it couldn’t have been greed, if it were greed they would have kept the technology and they would have continued researching the field and they would be the leaders in auo manufacturing, instead now they have to actually buy hybrid technology from japan
Here is one of my favorite quotes fromt the CEO of one of my client companies. When the CFO brought up a financial concern to him, he shrugged his shoulders and said “It’s not my money.”
Remember that when you invest in a company. Like real estate, you may get in at a higher price and their may be fools who are greater fools than you and will pay even higher per share. Wow! You make money. However, it they smarten up over night, you just lost your PJs.
All trading is day trading. It’s just some days are longer periods of time than others.
That loss of talent or worse, its denigration, has been part and parcel of the ‘wisdom’ of the dark side in its so-far-successful attempt to bamboozle and hoodwink.
Question for everyone. Ian perhaps you can shed some light. How many women respond on this thread? I have a feeling males dominate this conversation. Please, prove me wrong. I have a need to know.
It has been inquired of me if I have thought about being hungry. The question has been posed by my lady. The conservative answer is: Yes (now that you mention it). Time to fix supper.
I believe this is related, one of the first things Governor of Indiana Mitch Daniels did was ask for the resignations of the the boards in Indiana, Water Board etc, saying institutional memory is over rated.
Note: No other Governor of Indiana had ever done this.
DRGH (pronounced to rhyme with blergh) – deregulated greedheads
I’m totally lost, I never heard the term “institutional memory”, how is that referanced in your post?
But kiddo, it is your ‘liberal’ appreciation of ‘KP’ which completes the circle and leads to domestic tranquility.
Dang, QG, why is there a reason to prove you wrong? We don’t bite, nor harbor ill will…!
The hostility to anyone that shows even a little bit of intellectualism here culture wise doesn’t really help, DW. I’ve pretty much felt it all my life, but i’m too stubborn to let it beat me. I pretty much don’t really care what they think of me. So in the end on that score, they can’t intimidate me. But i can’t do anything worthwhile here either, unless i do it under the guise of ‘playing stupid.’
I’m working poor, therefore even the fact that i’m intellectual means nothing. I don’t have money, i don’t have clout and any upwards mobility is basically screwed over. What i’m doing has horizontal mobility, but i have to get beyond my current spot to do that. (and i’m trying!) If it was possible to knock idiotic corporations upside the head for the ‘profiling questions’ that everybody uses nowadays? I would.
A conservative defends the status quo.
A progressive wants to move on to new stuff.
A reactionary wants to roll back the clock to a better time.
I would also note that New Deal policies are relatively “conservative” as the world understands such things. What is “left” in the US is at best centrist in most of Europe and the rest of the world.
I don’t know if you mean “respond” as in “reply to” or “resonate with.” I’m not an economist, although a LOOOONG time ago I worked at the Federal Reserve Bank in NY and managed to soak up some knowledge, so “respond” not so much. “Resonate?” You bet.
You need to understand dear girl, that econimics is beyond the capacities of the female brain. Fact of the matter is… it’s beyond anybody’s brain. When was the last head of the Fed. a woman? Men have surely done a fine job on the economy. Now haven’t they?
Lahoma.
A lot of it has to do, I think, with MBA culture. MBAs think that management is pretty much all the same, and that you can manage anything even if you don’t really understand the business.
Damn. That may be one of the single stupidest things I’ve ever heard in my life.
Seems that way, yes.
Institutional memory is the knowledge of way the fence is in the middle of the road. Why was the dam built, things like that.
Shhh… Lahoma, don’t tell eCAHN that… ;-)
There are ebbs and flows, even circularity which attend such gatherings,
your presence graces us here and, genderly speaking, these issues do, obviously, affect and/or afflict us all regardless of whether we are right-handed, left-handed or just all thumbs.
I’m luuuurking.
Ooh, Busted…! ;-)
I agree totally, one of the others was Ohio’s “lets invest in rare coins”, what can go wrong?
Actually I have a funny story in that regard. Got together some good friends from high school about 10 years ago (and 30+ years after high school). One remembered that I was a chemistry major, and wanted to know why I’d become an economist. Without thinking or blinking, I said: “Because science is hard and economics is easy.”
LOL. Glad you’re here. Hear! Hear!
I’m off to fix a very conservative supper. Basic meat and potatoes. And Lahoma is getting wound up. Look out.
Good evening Eli.
“When GM and Ford decided that they were finance companies, when they decided to stop being controlled by men who had been engineers, and have suits control them, they let their engineering cultures decay. Now, building lousy cars that aren’t worth what they cost to build, they keep trying to dig themselves out by new financing schemes, by promotions, by cost cutting… But the problem isn’t their financing, the problem isn’t their sales force, the problem isn’t primarily their costs (they could get rid of their pension obligations, their health obligations and cut wages in half and they would just go bankrupt slower), the problem is that they have a lousy engineering culture.”
True, when Honda,Toyota and Nissan opened shops in the States and Canada, they raided the big three to hire the best designers and engineers out there. But the problem was also “conservative”, holding on to beliefs that bigger is better, that nothing beats a good american V-8. To this day, those companies and the media, are still pushing more power and bigger cars. Car and Driver and Road and Track magazine still think that a smaller Honda Fit is not made for highway travel, that a Toyota Matrix is made for teens, while the clientele is mostly over 45…
Besides, as I told my son when he was little and wanted to know how I knew something he had done, “Mothers have eyes in the back of their head.”
Now, back to my book. But I’ll be close by, so watch yourselves.
Hopefully not because of me…? *g*
I expect to be asked why i didn’t stay in the military after school. And why instead of music, i’m in science(pharmacy). Um lesse. Washed out of the military, and there’s very little to do in music outside of teaching unless you manage to land a record deal(and i despite the current industry). So at this point? Science is easier to work in, than my actual calling. I intend to go back to that, but i like the science job at the moment. *grin* There will be science in my long term goal for music, but getting schooling for that is harder than pulling teeth when you’ve got health problems!
Heh! Reminds me of the joke about the college professors who were worried because all the exam questions had been stolen from the Dean’s safe. Everyone but the economics professor, who didn’t care. When asked why he replied that in economics the questions were the same every year, and only the answers changed. (Badda bing, badda boom… I’ll be here all week, try the veal.)
Great post Ian, one of the best I have read in quite a while. I especially like your GM/Ford analogy and find this statement to be just so true.
I wonder in this age of “spreadsheet managment” (and of course, PowerPoint) how many other companies, indeed industries suffer from the same issues and difficulties. Management that really doesn’t get the business, but can read (they think) a P&L can often be more destructive than an act of god to many enterprises.
Without making a long story out of it, I worked for a company once run by some folks who had marginal knowledge of our industry and they decided at the “dawn” of the www/internet era (mid 90s) to have some software built that would allow employees to book travel simply for clients. Instead of asking IT folks how to do it and agents who would use it what they wanted, they hired a consultant who told them to rebuild everything in an arcane language that ended up costing over 10 million dollars and was never used. Meanwhile, competitors that adopted Java and associated tools had products to market sooner and faster. They ended up writing off the whole project, but damn that consultant sure had “cool” powerpoints!
The expertise to actually run companies well and profitably has been replaced as you point out by MBA’s with no feeling for either the people who make the company work, the firms “stakeholders” and of course customers who depend on getting actual value for their dollar spent. It is a sad state of affairs when we bitch about our global competitiveness even as we ship whole industries overseas to add $0.10 to the margin of each product, and quality suffers but damn, costs are down!
My cousin was the first female electrical engineering graduate from UCLA.
okk
Ian just who comes up with economic policy ideas for the President and the Dems and GOPers in the House and Senate….Lobbyists?!?!
If so that might be the problem right there that and Senators like McCain (at least he admits it) don’t know much about economics. Although why McCain now thinks he can fix the economy by cutting taxes is beyound me.
I think econ should be a requirement in high school.
Lahoma and like you very much. ;0)
Ian if your still here, care to comment about MBA’s and Citibank, they destroyed 50% of the stock price in record time. All the time talking about how they manage risk.
MBA is that master bullshit artist?
((( Ian )))
TSF, whaddya wanna bet that Tata makes Jaguar profitable in a few years …
Companies like Ford & GM are run by CEOs and Boards that cater to their bonus packages and move numbers around like a shell game to get the highest packages.
Ah, but you have your mind, and a fine one it seems, indeed. Despite much press, ignorance is not bliss, and besides, judging from your comments, you will be here, fighting the good fight, for some time after I have shuffled off.
True, the anti-intellectual tenor of our society is pervasive and, at times, quite dis-spiriting. W.W. Rostow wrote, way back in the sixties that intellectuals in America were probably doomed to watch, powerless, as their society destroyed itself.
But, the final call is not yet in, and we can take solace and comfort in the thought that we are not alone.
It is ‘meeting’ people such as yourself which gives me hope. You are younger, but you see the truth. Help those younger than yourself, and your peers to understand.
Communication is our strong suit, we must better use it.
Well, that makes two, all told … *g*
((( CT )))
Gotta love those platinum parachutes… BTW, this year’s Marleyfest isn’t in Pahoa, but, Kailua-Kona… A block party no less… ;-)
I’m working on that blasted Publishing deal … *g*
The egregious has landed! One small step for mankind….
Well!
Don’t miss the Book Salon thread…I caught up with it after the fact and it’s well worth reading…for Siun’s intro and for the wonderful exchange of commentary with Thom Hartmann on how we can do better on communicating our issues and viewpoints.
Their theory is more failed bullshit Reaganomics/Bush trickle-down: Cutting Taxes creates investment (often they include the word jobs, but McCain has ommitted the jobs part.) McCain is going strictly for the GWOT impaired fear buyer, the investor-class voter and the chauvinist or racist voter (applicable accordingly to the selected Democratic nominee).
thank you,im half way through
I wonder if our Dems have the guts to go hybrid for all cars in America. That would save our auto industry more than another bailout. Which given the high oil prices seems likely.
Ian -
I don’t think we will see a change in the way companies are run until investment rules change. Companies see people with common shares as the piggy back that continues to overflow with no regulations and safeguards. The investor is sold a capitalistic notion that they can be part owners in the company by purchasing shares. One problem, executives can do what they please with the investor’s money. What a deal.
Investments by shareholders must be highly regulated. As long as corporations control the regulatory commissioner, the investor has a better chance in Vegas (and lots more fun).
late to the lake today, excellent post, ian!
… and for good measure, he has ‘teh Gay’ trump card in reserve …
also watching,Ghandi..tcm
Great post, Ian! Every action has a reaction and this is something the reich wingers of our country aren’t able to process in their heads at all.
Bing!
“don’t offense me in….”
McCain is going Racist already? I thought he would save that for the general election. Only by going Left and creating Jobs like FDR did can we steal the South away from the GOP if they go racist.
time for me to re-see that one
Clinton had given the Big 3 a goal … create a midsize family sedan that gets 80 MPG.
2 of the 3 reached or surpassed that goal while the third (don’t remember which) was at 78 MPG … then Bush took Office … guess what happened to the program ?
Naomi’s “Shock Doctrine” should be required reading that and Bill Kristol’s comments about how the GOP had to stop Hilary’s healthcare plan or else people would see that government can work. After which the kids should see Michael Moore’s “Sicko”
I’m watching it too. The kiddo is slaving in the kitchen.
Lahoma
poignant always
Yes that too. NPR dutifully cleared up McCain’s position on Pro-choice for his conservative voters this morning. It seems that some FL primary voters believed McCain to be pro-choice, but they are mistaken. McCain has always been a forced birth (even in the case of rape or incest) kind of Chauvinist. He’s the kind of guy that cares for the rights of the unborn and not the woman. Always has – always will.
Hey Petro!
Same thing happened to the UCLA hydrogen car project (remember the Gremlin?). It had a stable, cheap, safe fuel source.
Killed by GM in the late 70’s.
hahahaha
Good evening, Lahoma.
Certainly time for some ‘Civil Disobedience’… Ben Kingsley does a masterful job…!
The funny thing about the movie “Gandhi” is, it took an Englishman to bring out the best of his life and his cause … the Indian Directors could never do justice to the Mahatma !
The thing that really bugs me is that so many of us knew why the SEC was regulating, why the CFTC was formed, why Glass-Stegall was there, why S&Ls were so closely regulated and why FISA was enacted. When they went by the boards, we predicted that bad things would happen, and they did.
The memory problem only affects two groups of people: the ignorant, and those whose interest is served by forgetting. The ignorant are a great class of people, badly educated by the schools, and worse educated by television and their Churches. At least their ignorance could be cured.
The real problem is the liars at the top of the “professions”, accountants at the big whatever is left, the big city law firms, and lobbyists of both parties. These intellectually dishonest people are ruining the country.
kiddo and me like Martin Sheen a great deal. For many reasons. (ref:Ghandi on TCM)
he was soooo brave
Well, there’s also that bit of work he did in Apocalypse Now…
And a very good night to you.
L.
Not yet. He doesn’t need to unless Obama is the nominee. My point was that those are the voters that he is going for. He is not even going to pitch the economy (tax cuts, only) or job creation – he told Romney that the jobs are gone and they are not coming back . He will naturally attract racists if Obama gets the nod – or – male Chauvinists (bigots) if Hillary gets the nod. A little wink, wink and dog whistle is all that’s required.
Excellent article as usual Ian… You nailed it!
Yup !
The 80 MPG idea would have kept the Big3 ahead of their foreign rivals because American engineering and ingenuity is second to none … but the CEOs, CFOs and Boards had other allegiances …
Yes.
Lahoma.
Above all else, McCain is an old whore.
occupation
True, in a side note, as the Enron debacle was aided and abetted by Arthur Anderson and KPMG, this subprime mortgage meltdown can be attributed to Standard and Poor and Moody, will they suffer the same fate…?
I think Obama V MCain will he highly entertaining … like watching Mike Tyson V Pee Wee Herman …
only more skillful !
Time to retire for the evening and settle in with my six pound entertainer, Molly. Pleasant evening to all you good people.
Aloha, QG!
yes he is a wee man in all aspects
At first it was about selling rubber. They took out all the urban rail systems (trolley cars). Later, it was about selling gasoline. It still is about selling gasoline to us sheeple.
Nite QuakerGirl….
jolie 6 &1/2
Courage in yoga simply means “the lack of fear”.
Gandhi combined courage with compassion and defeated the greatest Empire in the history of the world …
fuuukkkkknozzzles!
Ah, Susan, my significant other, and by far, the ‘better’ half, has returned home.
I am off to, as Lahoma so elequently put it, ’slave in the kitchen’.
Perhaps, Quaker Girl, this may suggest a method by which a more-equal
‘representation’ might be affected here, without welshing on paying deserved attention to Ian’s Saturday Posts?
Good night, good person.
okk
he was simply amazing …the anti-napolean slight man
If anyone has the opportunity to go to a McCain event bring a video camera and try to get anything that might be used for a Macaca moment. Those of us in Arizona would love for you to help us rid us of that pestilence.
I can’t wait for McCain to start his, “I was Squadron Leader for the largest wing in the Air Force” whine … I might actually feel sorry for him when Obama lands the decisive uppercut … not !
OT – CTuttle, stay dry! Flash flood warning there ’til 4:30p! Followed by flash flood watch through Sunday afternoon! Looks like quite a storm, nobody out on the streets on the webcams.
There was an Indian movie last year, which had a ’spirit’ of Gandhi and his teachings.
It ignited another wave of “justice through compassion” in India …
Edited for accuracy… ;-)
Wasn’t there a movement in Arizona to recall him ?
Gandhi belongs to the ages.
Lahoma.
That’s a fine idea. McCain will lose his temper if he thinks no one is looking and he can get away with it. He’s got a go f**k yourself waiting to bust out.
Thanks Buddy and stay safe !
i truly feel sorry for his wife and kids…they say Huckadoodle is a loose cannon.,that makes McStain a loose nuke imo
I know! We’re getting pounded, already we’ve had numerous road closures… No power outages, yet… *knock on wood*
Yep … saw it a couple of time on TDS …
or
Above all else, McCain is an old raddled whore.
What I visualize is Obama and Edwards as the VP running mate on a stage with McCain and oh any of the old white guys… what a contrast…
On the left…. we have the future of America…. on the right….. the past…
You choose….
Yes there was, Petrocelli but it was started in early summer and that is a really bad time to gather signatures in AZ…. we start now and work towards the end of May… The other reason is that McCain tanked in the polls and they thought they did not need to use that method at that time. He is fairly hated by the AZ Repugs for immigration & Religious right hugging
Followed by the most demonic, yet idiotic grin, my friend.
Speaking of Conservatives – Romney is up so far in the Maine caucus.
Much of that money “saved” was from capital gains or just inflation. Most of it was never taxed. It was a result of a house appreciateing, a portfolio increasing in value, tax free. Or a 401k or IRA. Most of what the really wealthy have was never taxed.
So what do you think of this…..
Third undersea cable reportedly cut between Sri Lanka, Suez
Anything to do with warrantless wire tapping?
When’s his senate seat up?
Can you imagine 4-8 years of McCrazy saying, “Well, my friend,…”? I will shoot myself!
It seems to me there needs somehow to be enacted a fair redistribution of wealth. Of course I realize I am always attacked when I make this suggestion. But that does not deter my belief in this concept.
Two cables cut? Hmmm. One might be accidental. Two is damn bad luck or…
2010…. same year as that the Gov is termed out. We figured that Janet would run against him then….. If Obama wins then who knows what position they promised her to cut campaign commercials for Obama & endorse him. Which would really F**k AZ because the SOS is next in line which is a real piece of wingnut work…
Looking at municipal bonds, I wonder how many of them exist to provide tax free income to the wealthy, versus a legitimate need for smaller jurisdictions to spread payments out over the life of the project?
I mean, take Fairfax County VA, a million people. They don’t really need to issue bonds, they could cover the costs of capital projects on a pay as you go basis. Ian?
sublimely perfect description
I thought it was three
Iran has now been completely shut off, but Israel’s lines are okay. Uh huh. The Powers That Be have either sliced these cables to wiretap them or there’s an attack coming on Iran and the Powers That Be don’t want the Iranians to be able to send out images online for the world to witness!
Scary stuff. I suppose if the Bush Regime wants to rule the planet, then one way to do that would be to start cutting the Internet lines.
AT&T’s servers were down for 9 hours yesterday (I think it was yesterday) and my Verizon lines were down last night for 4-5 hours too (probably due to the ice/snow/wind storm we got…but was it?). AT&T does not know why their servers went down. Again, uh huh.
Apparently the Navy Seals have been busy…!
Actually, it appears to be 4 different cable lines cut. CNN (of course *rolling eyes*) said it was an anchor being dragged on the ocean floor that cut them.
smells fishy to me
Well, it doesn’t under-cut my argument.
Sure if Bush wants a news blackout prior to an invasion of Iran so Congress does not get any information before facts on the ground are decided favorably (or so Bush thinks).
Bush is a gambler I’ve been expecting a game changer like this for awhile. The thing is knocking the board over because your losing does not mean that you will the next game.
I’m more worried about Bush cutting off American access to the Net before he does something else crazy.
a very fishy anchor
Good government is a good thing. There are certain essential things that only government can and will accomplish.
no, it only triples it
Here’s the link to AT&T servers being down for 9 hours on THURSDAY:
http://www.therawfeed.com/2008…..-hour.html
If I lose connectivity, it won’t be because of the flash flooding… *g*
Bad anchor!!!! *spanking anchor*
Any attack on Iran means higher gas prices the next day. I better fill up the car tonight.
Anyone hear from Al the Spook he might have some insight on this one?
Feb. 5th. is almost upon us.
The CNN anchor?
There’s a great book called “Non-Violent Soldier of Islam” about Badshah Khan, Ghandi’s friend and colleague in the struggle, who organized the very fierce and violent Pashtuns in the Northwest Provinces(what is now the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area). They totally embraced non-violence in an amazing testimony to Badshah’s courage, charisma and commitment. If you haven’t read it, I couldn’t put it down.
Where did you hear 4? I only know of 3.
Exactly!!!! Hey, Wolf Blitzer reported the other day (I posted on my blog about it) that Pakistan is in Africa, so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if ole Wolfie put on a wet suit and dragged himself across the ocean floor until he cut the Middle East cable lines. He’s a Good German that ole Blitzer!
http://worldpressnetwork.net/f…..#038;t=172
If Bush attacks Iran we should Nationalize Oil Company profit and use it to pay for the troops healthcare and to help all the homeless vets Bill O’reily can’t find.
Scott Ritter will be here Feb 23rd and will be taking about his book – “Target: Iran”.
I have tickets to the even. Met Scott a year ago at another event, found out he was stationed in Turkey when I was stationed in Greece. He served with the best man at my wedding.
Last year Scott said that if we attacked Iran, oil would be $300-400 a barrel.
Can someone explain to me how you can lower taxes, and give out rebates and continue to increase spending without going broke? Looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
I did read an article today that mentioned four cable lines cut, but it’s possible this was an oopsie by the author. Or maybe not. LOL
What kills me is how did the electorate get fooled into thinking that Texas oil men (Bush and Cheney) cared a twit about them? Utterly fantastic.
That’s very simple. Georgie Bush is in the process of freezing domestic programs for next year, so the little money we receive this year in June will make up for it. See? Georgie just doesn’t give money away! He gives it and then takes a hundred times more in return!
The Bastard.
Agree Ian. Used to do MBA admissions for a top ten school. The degree has become a union card for entree into certain fields. It is all about the Benjamins…not about effective management.
” Last year Scott said that if we attacked Iran, oil would be $300-400 a barrel.”
If that happens then everyone will buy hybrid cars.
Gas prices are set to do a big jump in the spring. Is that part of the stimulus?
Okay! I found the article that mentioned 4 cable lines cut:
http://worldpressnetwork.net/f…..=170#p1226
My son needs to use the computer now. Have a good night everyone. ;-)
Thanks, Katy.
Until technology catches up…. it will be who has the gold will be who has the oil. End of suburbia…… the end of groceries transported 1500 miles…
That was when Americans were fat and happy with dreams of being rich. Now that everyone is paying attention to the war, economy, healthcare etc we are getting 70%.
Reality sometimes takes awhile to wash away dreams of gold.
Better start a garden.
It’s really very easy. You print more money and hope China and oil exporting countries accept it.
Their source seems iffy about there being 4 cuts, they say it may just be 3, trying to sort out multiple reports of perhaps the same thing. And I haven’t heard 4 anywhere else.
Random events tend to cluster together so it is entirely possible for several underwater cables to be accidentally cut in a short period of time. For some unaccountable reason, such accidents are even more likely to happen when the DOD and NSA are in the vicinity.
Ian, great words, easy learning, thanks.
In a typical corporation charter, there will be a list of corporate responsibilities. The first seven describe the health of the corporation. The last item on the list pertains to shareholders.
For much of the history of young America, there was no personal income tax. The first one was imposed by a Republican, not too surprisingly, to fund a war.
And once the travesty of Dec 23, 1913 was foisted on the people, an income tax was the other ‘gift’ of the scheme. Some believe this is all smoke & mirrors, that once a fiat money system is in place, the only justification for personal income tax is to fool the public abouot the real aims of the private corporation controlling fiscal and monetary policy.
What he said
When oil prices go to $400 barrel, nobody will be buying *any* cars.
As Robert Pirsig so eloquently demonstrated and taught in “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”, quality is so much more important than quantity. This is progressive/Integral philosophy – everyone and everything on this planet are interdependent, and the best healthiest distribution of resources are made by visionaries who have transcended their egos.