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I don't know about you, but after watching the debate last night, I'm pretty excited about our candidates. They were articulate, knowledgeable, passionate, reasonable grown-ups.
No idiotic calls to double Gitmo. No squabbling about who thinks Iraq is more awesome. No nativist demagoguery. And they both accept evolution!
I didn't think it was possible a couple weeks ago, but Hamsher is looking like the smartest one in the room -- again -- when she predicted a Clintobama ticket. In the throes of martinlutherkingjesseefairytalegate, I didn't think that was possible. I'm sold.
Kennedy and Johnson were a ticket, remember.
But even if that doesn't happen, I'm ready to go to war with either one of these candidates. I like Hillary on health care. I like Obama on the war. I like them both on a bunch of stuff.
If the GOP really wants to alienate their base and nominate St. McCain, in the words of John Kerry, Bring. It. On.
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Two in a row, a real first?
Yeah. I agree whole hartedly.
Bring. It. On.
A Clinton/Obama or Obama.Clinton ticket will be the only way to unite the Democratic Party if what I’m seeing over at dKos is representative of the Party as a whole.
Hi Blue Texan!
Hill and Obama: kumbaya time indeed. Lovey dovey…
Blue Texan, I’m in absolute agreement. Even the staunchest Republican in my office had to agree that last night’s debate set a standard for how it should be done. (He’s already confessed he’ll probably vote Democratic this time around. I try to be kind about “his” candidates, but can’t quite pull it off!)
Amen to that, BT.
McCain is a nutjob. Wheels have come off the bus indeed. I like that Obama line and the line about changing the mindset that got us into the war. That is profound. That got me on Obama’s side as a former Edwards supporter.
I like Hillary on healthcare too, but I doubt either one of these candidates will challenge the status quo like John Edwards would have on healthcare. So effectively eliminating healthcare as an issue brings me back to the war. It must end as soon as humanly possible and Obama seems most reasonable on the war.
I was supporting Edwards and now am in the process of decidering how I will be voting next Tuesday. Some of my thinking can be found here.
I think I’m getting behind Obama.
he’s seeming crazed to me.
Hi BT!
Last night’s debate, and the media voices’ follow-up after and this morning should have the Republicans scrambling to try to figure out how to remain in existence, much less relevant.
Our candidates do us proud. And give us hope.
More and better Democrats. [ND’s lone Congressman has endorsed Obama–he now has backing of 2/3rds of the state’s Congressional delegation. Dorgan uncommitted]
But I will have to say again that a Hillary (P)-Obama(VP) or Obama (P)-Hillary (VP) ticket is a stacked identity politics (gender and race) ticket that will not work in 2008. 2012 or 2016 maybe. America is not ready for one right now.
I was proud of both of them. Also, I happended to run across a Michelle Obama speech on C-Span while looking for the debate, and suddenly wondered if she ought to be the family member running. Anyway, we’ve really got winning candidates if they, and we, don’t tear the Democratic Party apart.
It’s not — most Democrats do not pay attention to any of this in remotely the detail that any of us do. In SC, for example, exit polls were saying that more than 70 percent of Obama’s voters would vote for Clinton if she were the nominee. Ditto for closer to 80 percent of Clinton’s voters about Obama. And that was a heavily contested state coming on the heels of the media trying to play up the race versus gender split.
I disagree. When people find out McCain is as old as dirt, they’ll rethink him. Bias against age seems to be pretty strong, especially in a change election.
They did a good job healing the rift between Clinton and Obama camps. I read a lot of posts saying they will not vote if so and so wins. I think as wizened FDL vacationers, we need to address this when we see it.
C/O or O/C, and with people like Edwards, Dean, Clark and all the other capable people that can be brought in to right the ship of state leaves me encouraged. Lets start paying attention to the House and Senate so we can grab super majorities. Maybe then we can see Dirty Dick and Chimpy frog marched in the history books.
Right on to that. The pukes look like a bunch of lying wannabes. There is no comparison to anyone who tries to be objective and see what these candidate are saying.
But of course, the American people have proved to be suckers for PR and media washing and I wouldn’t bet on them from casting millions of votes for those slackers.
It looks like we could see a dem landslide with some mighty long coat tails this fall.
The we get to see what that crowd can do to clean up the Bush disaster. Too late for millions however. They paid the ultimate price for Bush arogance.
Take a look at their policy statements on net neutrality. IIRC Obama has a really good on. Hill has a bad one. I’ll have to go find linkies but I think that OpenLeft covered it quite a while ago.
As I see it, the country is ready for a black president. Or a woman president. I’m not sure they are ready for both on the same ticket just yet.
So how do the candidates plan to unify the Party after one or the other had been nominated?
I would suggest that last night’s debate is a good example of how they should behave from this point on. They need to focus on beating the Republican, not each other. And they need to keep the Democratic Party unified and focused on the real opposition.
Either one of them would make a fine president, better than anything on the other side.
How about an O/C ticket and then bring on Edwards, Biden, Gravel and Dennis to cabinet posts?
Adults, yes. Very nicely done.
By way of electability, let me relate the following anecdote.
3/4 thru the debate I got a call (on a different subject) from a conservative, though very thoughtful & knowledgeable friend. He owns a manufacturing business in VT that employs over 100 people.
After the subject of the call, we talked about the debate, which he wasn’t watching. He is leaning toward Hillary over McCain, as the Clinton environment is a known quantity. If it came to Obama vs. McCain, he’ll vote for the latter, as he distrusts Obama as an unknown, untried person in issues that are important for a prez.
He’ll vote for either Hillary or Obama over Romney, whom he considers to be a nutcase.
In other words, on a sample of one, Obama’s inexperience is a decisive factor in the general election.
found link.
Edwards for AG (or a SC nom), Biden for Sec of State
‘morning all - I think a Clinton/Obama ticket would work just fine… brings a tear to my eye, I’m so proud of my Dems…
As an Edwards supporter, I find I lean towards Clinton for her health care, education stance and on experience…
What would Gravel’s post be? Minister of Decriminalization or maybe a ambassadorship to some distant land?
One think I find astonishing is the amount of money the Democrats have been raising. Obama raised 32 million in the month of January alone. McCain raised 36 million all of last year. Amaxing. Americans are thirsty for change. Notice the positioning of the Right Wing Neo Con nut jobs like Malkin and Rush claiming that if McCain is the Republican nomination he will destroy the GOP party. The fact of the matter that the conservative policies that the Right Wing o’sphere has been embracing for the past 7 years is what destroyed the Republican party. It is enjoyable to watch the blame come in. Link to fundraising article.
Works for me.
I’d guess that the people that would be put off by that would be put off by either half of that ticket as President and are mostly Republicans anyway. I really don’t think there are that many of them any more except in places we cannot win anyway. These are the two people judged to be the best from our strong field, why not put them both on the ticket?
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Watching the Republican side of this presidential campaign so far has been the best entertainment I’ve seen in years. I’d rather watch Olbermann than go to the movies. Watching Rudy go down was especially delicious.
Completely agree. One at a time. Not both at once. Again: this country is not ready for both at the same time.
Maybe it goes without saying that more and better Democrats applies to the consultants and campaign teams as much as the candidates themselves. Naaaaahhhhhh.
I’ve been very impressed by the campaign the Obama team is running. Sharp media, strong community organizing effort. We’re seeing an all-star team…ready to run against the retired globetrotters on the Rethuglican side.
I am more than ready for living on the hopeful, helpful side of life, rather than the dark fearmongering corrupt world that is BushCo
Let Them Eat Mud Cookies
But then you look at what the Republicans are bringing to the table and you realize that this may be an opportunity to say, “Yes We Can!”
Maybe that’s why Edwards hasn’t endorsed one yet. Maybe he is included in the negotiations somehow.
I disagree, if people could be moved to vote for either one I don’t think the running mate would stop them.
The Republicans are all over themselves on the TeeVee this morning calling McCain a liburrul.
McCain will run on national security and cover his right flank by opting for some snake handler VP from the south, and after the debate on Reagan’s corpse the other night I’d say the chances are not bad it’ll be Huckabee.
The GOP is already going after Obama for his Paris Match statements about a Muslim summit. He’ll want someone with a more hawkish reputation for cover, so his VP ain’t gonna be Russ Feingold, you can just get that out of your head right now. He’d go with someone who had Hillary’s history, or one to her right. Whether she’d take it or not is another matter, but conventional wisdom holds that in the border states McCain would crush him with anything less.
I have been receiving calls from the Obama campaign for the last week or more. Nothing from Clinton, though perhaps that is because she is taking NM for granted. I know last summer, besides Richardson, the public I was registering to vote were mostly looking for Hillary signs and buttons.
I was sure for Edwards. Notsosure for the H & O.
We ALL love Edwards here becuase of his progressive stance but, in my opinion, he did zero for in the last presidentail as the vp candidate. Why in the world would we want to do that again?
I think you are right. The national party dynamic changed when the Southern wing of the Dem party became Thugs. From reading polls on various subjects, it seems as if the distribution of 44%R, 46%D 10% either way is the country is divided. The 10% is the key. I suspect that there are a few “never vote for a black” in the 46% and 10% but not many. There are probably more not vote for a woman.
Wes Clark, but I don’t think he would take it. He is loyal to Hillary. Speculation of course.
You bet he is. Both candidates started off praising him and credited his positions on a number of issues. There must be some very interesting phone calls back and forth right now.
[Cheney: hang up that surveillance phone. These calls are not your business.]
McCain-Huckabee!
McCain-Perry!
I think McCain thinks he’s gong to win the general election
Morning Jane!
I’m thinking that Obama would pick a Governor for VP, maybe Richardson. He ’s got the experience. He’s done EVERYTHING (Gov, Cabinet, Congress).
I’ve been wondering if Obama ends up with the nod, if Wes Clark will then be brought in to undercut the McCain military sheen. A whole host of interesting dynamics at play on all sides at the moment. And I think Huckabee is a very good guess on the GOP sides of things. McCain likes the cut of his smart-assy jib.
McCain also loves the fact that Huck is killing Mittens the longer he stays in.
If I were going to venture a wild guess I’d say he wants the VP slot and both think that a) he’d be a liability, and b) they might not be in a position to make that deal (superdelegates may force them on each other). I saw Teddy’s entry into the race as a sign to the Clintons that they can’t run this train again, they are answerable to other power structures within the party who are going to assert themselves (though there are many ways to read those tea leaves).
Not that I agree with a), but that is how the political establishment tends to think.
Got to work this morning and had the surprise of my life — my daughter, who has always hated politics, has launched an Obama website. Her blog about it brought tears to my eyes.
I watched the debate last night and was proud of both candidates — but if change has to start with the belief that change is possible, then I have to go with Obama. If Obama can convince my independent daughter (who has the smallest carbon footprint I’ve ever seen, but who has never worked for a candidate beyond voting) — and people like her — then I think he’s the candidate we need now.
The last link is a stitch. Read the comments to see just how miserable some of the r’s are.
Maybe. If it happens I’m certainly not complaining. It’ll prove that this country is much better than I thought. And I’ll rejoice…
Richardson may have experience but did not seem like a good campaigner to me. And you know how important that is (think Gore, Kerrey.)
maybe negotiations are for O/C or C/O with Edwards as AG
McCain is bound to melt down sooner or later. With all of these endorsements, the pressure is building. I’ll be surprised if he makes it to the convention.
I’m not sure either would be willing to take the back seat on the ticket, although they are both young enough to run again in 2016.
And some firepups too!
What are the odds for MccCain/condi rice?
True dat
if you keep saying that over and over, sounds like a choo-choo train
I also find it interesting that the Kennedy family is split. Ted and JFK’s faction are in Obama’s camp while Bobby Kennedy’s side is solidly behind Clinton.
ewwww
Interesting
My daughter(34) who voted for Bush and has seemed totally disinterested in politics is watching debates and likes Obama
And yes, an Obama-Wes Clark ticket may be viable…but somewhow, my gut feeling is that Hillary will get the nomination. And then we might be talking about a Hillary-Clark ticket–which may be stacked as well: the Arkansas connection.
Interesting isn’t it? November is shaping up to be a contest between the militarism of the last fifty years and a new way forward. I think once people see that John McCain can’t articulate what “victory” in Iraq will actually mean, they’ll vote for the Democrat (whoever he or she might be) or stay home. Take any sound bite from the Republican debate and any sound bite from the Democratic debate last night. The Rethugs sounded pissy and cranky and had remarkable few facts at their disposal. The Democrats were intelligent (and don’t underestimate that after four years of Dumbya), witty and chock full of facts to back up their position. It’s a no-brainer, folks, and there are no brains on the Republican side. Let’s face it, when Joe Scarborough comes up with a slogan mocking McCain (”Endless war, no jobs”) they’re in big trouble.
Hi Jane!
Corporate media will work very hard to make him President. I am sure they already have a lot of stuff ready to go against Hillary and I am sure they are working on Obama/Rezko and Obama/Muslim and Obama/Kenya stories as we speak. It is going to be very ugly and McCain has the best chance of all of the Thugs of pulling off a win.
I read somewhere that McCain had to take our special life insurance to borrow money in case he didnt make it to the convention.
And yes, I think this country is ready for this combination of African American and Female, and I give much of the credit to Obama, because as cynical as I have become, he has convinced me that Yes, We Can!
Hmmm, I wonder if Clark helps Hillary that much. That’s hawk-hawk. Actually, Clark might be more of a dove than Hillary.
I think Edwards doesn’t want VP. He’s done that. He has another life that’s more important to him than playing second fiddle (kinda like Gore, only less so). Other positions of responsibility like AG might attract him.
Obama/Clinton is theoretically possible, but doubtful.
Clinton/Obama won’t happen - Clinton has already decided on Clark for her veep.
An Obama-Edwards ticket will be formidable, in the French and English senses of the term: French: cool. English: hard to beat.
Yes, i think Clark IS more of a dove than Hillary
I think I pretty much agree with your assessment. The 10% are always a problem, in that they are not really that interested in politics and are subject to wedge issues and platitudes. I think right now they are sick of the war and sick of Bush, but who knows what wedge issues they are susceptible to in the last few months. I would merely suggest that the Democrats do not take up the guantlet, at least for this election, over guns, gay marriage, and abortion. Additionally, Democrats should have a lot of reassuring answers to allay fears of another great Saracen attack. All of us have strong feelings about those issues, but it seems to me they are secondary to erasing every vestige of Bushism, at least over the next few years.
I think that a McCain/Huckabee is would be the ultimate proof that the Republicans don’t really want their party in the White House for the next term. It’s a Democratic wet-dream.
As I’ve watched what’s been going on over on the other side during this campaign, the idea that the Republicans don’rt want the next presidency is a concept which explains most of their bizarre behavior.
Either that or they are just plain crazy, and I don’t believe that. They are setting themselves up for 4 more years of Hillary-bashing.
This is nice
Two bombs in busy Baghdad animal markets have killed at least 64 people.
An Iraqi official said the devices were attached to two mentally disabled women, and were detonated remotely.
It was a macho dominance thing that male primates tend to do. Clinton lost.
Be careful about wording. The life insurance policy is to pay his campaign debt at some point in the future if he is outvoted before the convention, not if he dies before the convention. At least that’s how I understand it.
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/.....n_loan.php
Are you looking for trouble again, Raven? *G*
Hillary would be very smart to have Clark as VP as he doesn’t need to establish military creds, and he would give her cover should she tack dovish.
That’s hawk-hawk.
no hawk, let alone most average males would trust HRC’s hawkishness just because she is a woman. With Clark, a few MAY be able to get past it.
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The surge is working. /snark
Now, that’s repulsive, and should repulse even fundies.
I think Teddy endorsed Obama was a counter strike against Hillary’s LBJ comment. Protection of the JFK story is job #1 for Teddy and the JFK civil rights record is a problem for that story. The telephone conversations between JFK and Ross Barnett are an example.
Hi everyone
Ann Coulter is supporting Hillary (!) - per Drudge
Also, I don’t know if anyone noted this but Obama also has an opportunity to name one of the Dem women Governors as VP (which would be pretty neat vis-a-vis the age 50+ women’s support especially for Hillary.
Pace Raven @ 75:
Do Ds still think they have to have a southerner on the ticket?
There will never be an Obama/Clinton ticket. He is the clear winner and she wouldn’t sit second chair if her life depended on it.
Actually, a ticket with both of them (either way, O/C or C/O) would be assassination insurance: what wingnut would shoot Barack if Hillary would succeed, or vice-versa?
That story is linked in the original post, but not to Drudge.
i think Clark IS more of a dove than Hillary
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nearly ALL of the Generals are more reluctant to engage the US military in combat than the A-hole politicians, simply because they know the cost and that victory, any victory is pyrrhic…excepting of course some Generals that have political aspirations such as General Betrayus.
And just how in the hell do you know this? Did you talk to her?
Interesting point!
Plus, Bill Clinton’s comments. FWIW I think Bill Clinton is probably on a heavy drug load after the quad bi-pass, some of which promote un-hibitedness(hence his anger management issues, and inappropriate comments, perhaps. I am not saying he is not responsible for his remarks/ actions - he is. But, his earlier great political skills are probably impacted by this. Put another way, there is no way the Bill Clinton today would get elected.
Clinton/Clark would be two Chicago area natives.
Got a strong tummy?
Hannity and Coulter on Hil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTqgqhxVMc
The headline at HuffPo on this matter reads:
my hint was that he endorsed her awfully early
Janet Napolitano might work. She used to be a Big Dawg supporter, especially during his impeachment troubles…
Plus, for Hillary, Bill is a real negative. My sweetie brought up last night the possibility that Bill’s outbursts aren’t in part his deep seated discomfort with his wife becoming president, and his become second fiddle, spouse only. I sort of agree, despite what he may say on the surface.
he ain’t no Chicago “native”
Obama was born in Honolulu to a Kenyan father and an American mother. He lived most of his early life in the U.S. state of Hawaii. From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta, Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School
Bill has always has impulse control problems, i.e. the bimbo problem. He’s usually been able to control his mouth better than his zipper, but …
I’m not proud to be in America and have long since left the Democrapic party. The behavior of Obama and Clinton last night are irrelevant. The DEMOCRAPIC Senato HAS CAVED ON FISA! They have, officially, agreed to procedures that ensure passage of a FISA bill WITH immunity and NO oversight.
The ONLY hope is now the House, which has been my contention from the beginning. The Senate is dead. It is filled to overflowing with traitors to the United States and is a lost cause.
POUND the House with our demands that they uphold the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and their goddamned oaths of office when the conference bill is produced.
I WILL actively vote against the Dems in November, regardless who is the Prez candidate if a bill with immunity in it actually goes for Bush to sign.
Talking about Clinton–not Obama…*g*
??? Clinton/Clark Chicago area natives..you are correct about Obama.
My bad
While McCain is way too belligerent on foreign affairs to be acceptable to me, there would be an upside to having him to run against. There would be minimal talk of “faith” or “God”, and minimal scapegoating of Hispanic immigrants. And the fact that he got as far as he did without money is an encouraging example for American politics.
The debate is being rerun on CSPAN, don’t know how long it’s been running
Ah yes, an exotic Kenyan-Kansan mix, as someone on MSM print media called him last weekend…
As was pointed out downstairs on the FISA thread, The dems didn’t “cave”, they did what they wanted to.
Isn’t Wes Clark from Arkansas?
Sort of like my Norwegian-Irish exotica!